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11 Nov 2005 10:50 | Dusty | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
A recent survey conducted by research firm XTN Data in September gives Sony's console 5 per cent lead over Xbox 360 in the UK.
XTN Data asked 1000 people what console they were planning to buy, and the results showed that 32 per cent were planning to buy a PS3, while 27 per cent said they would purchase an Xbox 360. The survey did not ask respondents for their opinion on Nintendo's Revolution console. So despite that Xbox 360 has occupied 90% of the next-gen news space for the last 6 month, Microsoft’s viral marketing schemes, and the fact that it will be available this Christmas, Sony still has strong support in the UK. This shows how strong the PlayStation brand is, and it leaves no doubt that Microsoft will face a well armed enemy next year when Sony enters the battle field with its highly anticipated PS3. Add Comment  1 -
Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 11:07 yeah those viral campaigns suck, 360 for me but i think i'll get PS3 when they do the slimline version. UK rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 -
90% hahahaUnregistered - Ranko_SD 11.11.2005 11:07 90% in the next-gen news space, and still second, hahaha Playstation is a Brand Name. 3 -
PLAYSTATION3Unregistered - PLAYSTATION 11.11.2005 11:10 Damn right the UK loves playstation sony better recognize and deliver it to us quick time like in spring please. 4 -
A survey of only 1000Unregistered - g 11.11.2005 11:27 1000 People is not enough. % could easily change with 200o or 5000 people. 5 -
IndicaSativa420 11.11.2005 11:36 of course theyre gonna say they dont want it... they cant get them, there isnt enough to go around, y wouldnt they say that?? 6 -
hmm..only 5%??Unregistered - Akakage 11.11.2005 11:36 When I saw the headline I was expecting it to be much higher that 5%. 5% means its still anybody's game. A crazy price point (for ps3)or a few good exclusives (for x360) could tip the scales in the other direction. Then u have to factor in the other 41% that are undecided. It's gonna be a close race in Europe. The same can't be said for Japan though, as x360 has a major uphill battle. Japanese developers are slowly starting to rally behind the x360(mainly because the US has the strongest gaming market) so it is good to know that more games will be multi-platform. Only 2 things are needed now...1.) An actual price for PS3 and 2.) SOME FRICKIN GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE!!!!! 7 -
What aboutTheBlob 11.11.2005 11:57 and there is still that other 40 percent that they didnt put down I wonder what that was? 8 -
Hey AkakageUnregistered - Ultimate PS3 Fan 11.11.2005 12:14 I already seen gameplay footage from a PS3 game. The game called ''Fatal Inertia'' actually has gameplay footage at Gamespot. It OWWWWWWWWWWWNZ! It looks so REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAL!!!!!!!! PS3 will take over and is FAR SUPERIOR thsn the 360. Put it like this, X MS is gonna release their death warrent (X Box 360) and Sony will release the ULTIMATE weapons PS3! The Best! It will OVERKILL Microsofty in marketing! 9 -
Hey AkakageUnregistered - Ultimate PS3 Fan 11.11.2005 12:16 I already seen gameplay footage from a PS3 game. The game called ''Fatal Inertia'' actually has gameplay footage at Gamespot. It OWWWWWWWWWWWNZ! It looks so REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAL!!!!!!!! PS3 will take over and is FAR SUPERIOR thsn the 360. Put it like this, X MS is gonna release their death warrent (X Box 360) and Sony will release the ULTIMATE weapons PS3! The Best! It will OVERKILL Microsofty in marketing! 10 -
PAUL CERULA 11.11.2005 12:30 Ohh come on thats a game at least 5 months from now, 360 will be up to par by then. Don't say something stupid like "ps3 owwwnnzz" You moron, I wouldn't say that about the 360 that's for sure. And you have no proof of that game too, until sony releases "in game" footage I'm not expecting anything but what the developers can give 5-6months from now 11 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 11.11.2005 12:36 Unbelievable, all that hype about the 360, all that marketing, all that money spent on comming out with their console first, tons of money spent on displaying the 360 everywhere you find electronics and more, and its still behind Sony PS3. Imagine when Sony starts their marketing campaign, its easily going to be more than 5 percent lead. I think if they polled people in the states, it will even be a greater percentage. 12 -
SpartanUnregistered - JIN KAZAMA 11.11.2005 12:38 360 will be up to PAR by then, YOU are basically admitting that the 360 s an iferior system! HAHA, you know deep down its very inferior, and NO it wont be "Up TO PAR" because PS3 is much more powerful. 13 -
LOL 5% anything can happen by 10%Unregistered - pshizle360 11.11.2005 12:42 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( 14 -
moronUnregistered - you 11.11.2005 13:03 how can you call ps3 ps2.5 when the graphics blow the crap out of xflop opps xbox 1.5 i mean dreamcast 360 my bad xbox 360's. 15 -
Oh DearUnregistered - ! 11.11.2005 13:04 Can you belive that last poster ? The son of a b1itch actually thinks the xcrap is more powerful than a PS3 ! Mate, I dont think you realise, but the PS3 is more powerful than xcrap ! Open your eyes ! Yes, I know you love Bill Gates, and I know you want youre console to be superior, but its just not going to happen ! Oh, as for the xcrap fans flogging the dead horse that is the CGI, that was CGI, yes, but it was made PS3 standards, so the CGI you saw [Eg:Killzone] was made on a computer, but it was made to look like a PS3 game. So the CGI wasnt a complete waste of time. Here in the UK the PS3 is prefered over the Xcrap even after all those millions wasted on marketing that could be used for improving your xcrap. Patience fellow PS3 buyers, our time will come. 16 -
oopsUnregistered - ! 11.11.2005 13:05 Sorry number 14, I was refering to number 13 17 -
#13Unregistered - here we go again. 11.11.2005 13:07 The reason why the xbox 360 has sold out in the Uk is because they're only getting 10 systems. LOL..Microsoft is forcing a sell out. 18 -
DONT BELIEVE IN THE HYPE!Unregistered - pshizle360 11.11.2005 13:20 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS3 19 -
Unregistered - doh 11.11.2005 13:30 "how can you call ps3 ps2.5 when the graphics blow the crap out of xflop opps xbox 1.5 i mean dreamcast 360 my bad xbox 360's. Mmm I think will actually have to see actual pS3 gameplay graphics before that conclusion can be made. 20 -
xflop>PS3Unregistered - dizzo 11.11.2005 13:35 whats that company thats making the PS2.5 i mean Pflop i think thats right??? i believe the company is pony or fony ooooh yaaa i believe its sony... man they make good products can wait until i get the Pflop pshizle360 you are my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21 -
One mighty height to fallUnregistered - Otar 11.11.2005 13:44 I saw what looked to be in-game graphics on the PS3. The first game was Heavenly Sword. The trailer looks like a mix of movie with a little bit of game play footage. Wasn’t impressed with that one, the movie looked good but you can spot the difference when what appears to be game play footage shows up. The other game was Fifth Phantom Saga and again I wasn’t impressed with what looks to be in-game footage. You can find all these trailers on www.gametrailers.com. So go look for yourselves and make your own mind up. You must understand, the reason I wasn’t that impressed with what might be in game footage, is simply because I was comparing these 2 games to the other PS3 movies I had seen. And they just don’t compete with the other movies and the high promises Sony has given us gamers. The PS3 has built up such a high expectation that if it doesn’t deliver 100% of what it has promised, it could quite possibly fail because of its own hype. Please don’t think I’m a fan boy, I want great games on which ever console delivers. And I prey that the PS3 is everything Sony is saying it is. 22 -
xbotsUnregistered - you 11.11.2005 13:58 you xbots dont get it THE XBOX WILL NOT WIN. LIVE WITH IT,ITS A FACT. THE XBOX WILL FLOP WHEN PS3 COMES OUT, AND YOUR DREAMCAST 360 WILL BE LEFT IN THE DUST. 23 -
PBOTS go suck kens littleUnregistered - dizzo 11.11.2005 14:26 PFLOP I MEAN PLAYSTATION2.5 WILL SUCK JUST DEAL!!! PBOTS GO AND SUCK KENS LITTLE WEEEENER 8+D() 24 -
PS2 is thier nowUnregistered - otar 11.11.2005 14:34 My PS2 has been left in the dust for 3 years. It may be the biggest selling console, but what a pile of over hyped crap it was. The disappointment I felt when I got mine at launch. The graphics were poor. What happened to all the promises of Toy Story quality graphics? The PS3 sounds like the same tune. And the PS3 is not twice as powerful as the 360. The maths were worked out differently on both consoles as far as t-flops are concerned. The 360 can have just under 1.5 t-flops if worked out the same way as Sony did theirs. Apparently t-flops only accounts for 20% of what a game does. So how important it is, is any ones guess? And as far as memory bandwidth. The 360 has over 5 times that of the PS3. Memory bandwidth if I am correct is what can be stored while waiting to be processed. Important when it comes to games. But then again, Sony doesn’t seem to making games for the PS3 just great looking movies. Sorry for all of the above, I hate all of this fanboy crap. But so many people are talking rubbish. No one knows what the true capabilities of any next gen console are. 25 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.11.2005 14:44 Yep, to the people above who think ps2 didn't deliver what they said, watch this: http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/news/video/ps2demos/psx2_1.mpg You people are right, it doesn't look like ps2 graphics, it looks more like... ps1,5 graphics lol. They already surpassed it with games like god of war and gt4. 26 -
Sony FailedUnregistered - Silverback 11.11.2005 14:48 Since the playstation out sold the xbox 4 to 1 last generation if the gap between them is only 5% than it is a clear win for MS. 5% is well within the margin of error anyways. According to an article I read recently MS's goal for this next generation is not total dominance of the market, even though they say that publicly, but to reach at least an equal level with the market leader. It isn't until the third generation that they expect to clearly take market lead. I can see no reason at this point for MS not to lead the market in both Europe and North American though trailing in the Asian market this next generation. Microsoft will have the better price point, same quality and quantity of games, better online service, and releasing a year ahead of the PS3 (except in Japan). The only advantage the PS3 has is its brand name and Blue Ray. Brand name didn't matter when Sony bested the brand leader Nintendo back in the day, and Blue Ray is ahead of its time. So neither is really that much of an advantage. If you disagree with me than expain why all the major analyst companies disagree with you as well. Unless Sony trully has something amazing that is yet to be revealed, not likely, than you or I have no reason to believe that Sony will lead the market anywhere near what it did last time around. Once again, if all they have is a 5% lead in expectations than Sony has failed. Period. 27 -
Microsoft FailedUnregistered - HahA 11.11.2005 14:52 MTV was it's first shot which brutally shot there foot off, and all of these idiotic ocmmericals with the saying "Jump in." Fu©k that, if Sony uses something simliar to that screw that also, IT SOUNDS LIKE A PURE BANDWAGON. But he11 what do i know.. 28 -
Unregistered - you 11.11.2005 14:55 the 5% is only in the uk and this is out of 1000 people you moron. the xbox will never get that close, its just not going to happen deal with it. 29 -
Unregistered - silverback 11.11.2005 15:12 Your right if they surveyed more than MS could have a 5% lead over PS3. 30 -
XBOTUnregistered - you 11.11.2005 15:24 YOU DONT GET IT XFLOP 360 WILL NOT BEAT PS3 ITS JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! 31 -
Reply #25Otar 11.11.2005 15:24 The 2 games you mentioned do have great looking graphics, shame it took 4 years to deliver. Lets hope it doesn’t take that long for the PS3. But Res 4 does look like the sort of graphics Sony promised on PS2. But it took way too long and too few games to see this quality. And I still don’t think the PS2 delivered what was promised. Emotion, yeah right. And lets face it how many developers truly managed to get the best out of PS2, 3 or 4. 32 -
STATISTICSUnregistered - leon 11.11.2005 15:26 right 27% want 360... and 32% want a ps3 that a 5% difference but 27% + 32% = 33 -
DONT BELIEVE IN THE HYPE!Unregistered - pshizle360 11.11.2005 15:29 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS3 34 -
to #30Unregistered - silverback 11.11.2005 15:32 It's always good to read such intelligent remarks (heavy sarcasm). This of course seems to be a hallmark of most posters on this site. 35 -
OOOPS STATISTICSUnregistered - leon 11.11.2005 15:33 right 27% want 360... and 32% want a ps3 that a 5% difference but 27% + 32% = 59% that leaves 41% undecided so what if that 41% undecided then decide to opt for a 360 ? that would give M$ a 68% lead over sony. or what if the 32% wait till the ps3 comes out and decide that the ps3 aint as good as sony promised and get ( by then) the lower priced 360 with halo 3 and gears of war that would give M$ a 100% lead over sony statistics prove nothing. you could easly flip what i wrote round to sonys favour and 5% difference is only a tiny margin . so fanboys dont count your chickens 36 -
Unregistered - PLEASE READ THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND. 11.11.2005 15:40 lol just because a system has more power than the other doesn't mean it wont or can't fail. Neither system will fail but don't say because sony has more power it will succeed. It's what the software makers do with the power that dictates the success of a system. Ps2 exceeded in sales, dispite it being a peice of sh!t. The xbox was better interms of graphics and stuff but the numbers were'nt where ms wanted to be, still for a first time console they did well, and this time may be a little different. Ms has delievered a product that was better than there first one and is a little more aggressive and sony is no doubt going to copy some of that seeing as they are releasing after ms. I see a trend already, first they tried to copy the online thing but failed at it so now it's back to square one, now look, ms had logitech to design them the great controller that they have now for the 360, sony just solicited logitech to do thier design, the first xbox had nvidia for graphics, now sony has them now if it works out for sony that's good, but I don't really see them being the conosles to end all consoles their only a competitor, the games are what's going to dictate, sales thus make a console number one. 37 -
Unregistered - NOV 22. 11.11.2005 15:50 Sony is so quick to call the xbox 360 the 1.5, but if that's really true then the ps3 is the ps2 1.5, truthful they will be about the same in terms of what they can do, they just went about it in different ways, sony opted for blue ray, ms chose compression, Sony chose blue tooth, ms chose 2.4gh, but both are wireless, I mean it's little things like that, sony doesn't have ingame custom soundtrack, sony may have a little more crisp image in terms of graphics, I mean really sony is not all that you are making it out to be. NO im not putting it down im just saying be real, be honest, like people are saying ps3 is not an end all console its a competitor. I'm getting a 360, because one I like it and two I refuse to give into all the hype of the ps3. 38 -
#24Unregistered - sony fan 11.11.2005 16:07 "And as far as memory bandwidth. The 360 has over 5 times that of the PS3" This is one of those misleading claims from that biased major nelson article. This is not true. If you ask any techie guy, he'll tell you that adding the internal gpu bandwidth to other system parts bandwidth is so idiotic,ridiculous and meaningless. This is another evidence that MS is misleading people. 39 -
Unregistered - CLowe 11.11.2005 16:11 I have to wonder why so many X-Box fanboys post on a PS3 news-site. Sounds like trolling to me. Secondly, people are still "waiting" for PS3 game footage? Last I knew, MGS4 was real-time. 40 -
Unregistered - Silverback 11.11.2005 16:19 Of course they are refering to actual gameplay which we are still "waiting" to see. So in truth we have seen nothing relevant regarding gameplay from Sony. The only people who are impressed by the MGS4 video are those that want to be. 41 -
Unregistered - SOME GUY 11.11.2005 16:20 #23 is tha only 1 with a brain i can understand wat he sed unlik all u other fanbois...... lol 42 -
XFLOP 1.5 SUCKS!Unregistered - eat this 11.11.2005 16:26 XFLOP 1.5 SUCKS! AND YOU CAN'T DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT!POSTING ON THIS SITE WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU XBOT LOSERS!NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY! BEGONE! 43 -
Reality!!!Unregistered - QuietMan69 11.11.2005 16:30 Ok stop all the crap!!! Last I saw the graphics chip still not done!!! Processor still only running at 2.4G So as of right now the xbox360 blows the door off the PS3 Nuff said!!!! 44 -
Unregistered - ps sux 11.11.2005 16:42 awww man, these ps3 fans are really really stupid. They thing cause crazy ken says the ps3 will give you the power to see through wall lol that it'll actually happen, meaning you believe everything he says, personally I want a 360. Ps3 is a hype machine, it's nothin. And to that one nerd askin why xbox fans posts here, 1 cause we can, 2 for the same reasons ps fans post on xbox forums morons...anyway Nov 22 that's what's up. ps3 is crap to me. 45 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 11.11.2005 16:59 OKAY, here it is 360 FANBOYS. Your 360 console is a much superior and better console. It will Kill the PS3 in temrs of EVERYTHING. It is going to Crush the PS3 on all points. Now with that said, please get the hell out of here and let us be happy with OUR inferior SYSTEM. 46 -
NEWS JUST IN!!!!!!Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 17:01 BOBBY FISCHER SUCKED MY ROOT LAST NIGHT OOOOOOOOOOH GOOD WORK BIATCH. ANYONE STILL PONDERING WHICH SYSTEM TO GET LISTEN UP. 360 = FPS GAMES SPLINTER CELL AND GOW. PS3 = RACING GAMES MGS4 AND KILLZONE IF IT'S REAL. 47 -
FORGOT TO ADD THIS.Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 17:09 PS3 = GTA AS IT HAS JUST SECECURED THE RIGHTS TO EXCLUSIVITY, AT LEAST FOR 8 MONTHS ANYWAY. 48 -
scratch that i dont think PS3 will make the shop shelves.Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 17:21 http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/7554/ sony goin bankrupt ooooooooooo owned. oh well no racing games for me, no matter FPS is my preferred genre anyway. 49 -
Unregistered - you suck 11.11.2005 17:24 dont' be nieve and think that gta4 won't make it's way to xbox 360 rockstar wants that money so obviously if it sells on both systems thats more money for them. Now dig this, I never owned an xbox I was into my ps2, matter fact we did have an xbox and no one played it and we ended up tradin it in. we are not loyal so ms or sony or whomever. When ya'll were playing the ps1 (which I hated) I was playing the n64, then after that I went to the ps2 (crap) now that the 360 is here i'll have that, now if i would have a the first xbox then i'd be getting the ps3. N64, ps2, now 360, that was my history for the last few years. I buy a system play it and live my life....no one system is better than the other, it's what system is better for you. ps3 fans are so damn ignorant. 50 -
49Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 17:27 did you miss the 8 months bit?????? 51 -
Unregistered - DeepFreezed 11.11.2005 17:28 They don't say anything about margin of error. From what I learnt from my stats class is that lower the sample higher the margin of error. Look more like PONY BS. 52 -
Unregistered - the man 11.11.2005 17:34 its going to be harder for them to bring gta to xbox 360 1. because ps3 is more powerful they are going to downgrade it and 2.the blu ray disk hold more memory, unless they are going to use multiple disk for the xflop. even if it does come out on 1.5 it wont sell that much anyways because of the small fanbase(20million) on dreamcast 360. where as ps has 4x that(over 91million). 53 -
# 52Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 17:37 before you say XFLOP again read #48 54 -
lol the BS3 is anticipated crapUnregistered - . 11.11.2005 17:38 Krazy Ken, is so arrogant that he make me not want the ps3, and I don't want it period, I want my xbox 360 I also agree that no one system is better than the other and that it is a matter of preference, and I pre fer the 360. They'll end up with adequate software support and you'll see just how nice the system actaully is, perfect no, nice yes. 55 -
Unregistered - . 11.11.2005 17:46 lol, you don't think that Rockstar games are not intelligent enough to fit Gta 4 on to a dual layer dvd 9 using compression techniques. The may have to scale down some of the cutscenes, but they can make it, after all look what they did to gta san andreas, the put allll that data on a dual layer dvd it just looked like sh!t on the ps2. So they can do alot with the 360 ya'll make it sound like it's just sooooo primative, you're all dillusional if you think the developers can't do wonders with the 360 and about using multiple disk, yea a few games may but over all they'll be able to do fine with one. So its not a bad deal at all besided from what I read you may not even be getting a ps3 to brag about lol then what you gonna do? Buy a 360.....pricks 56 -
#38Unregistered - otar 11.11.2005 18:11 As stated at the end of comment #24 I kind of made my point, whether people are talking about t-flops, bandwidth or what ever there is a load of crap doing the rounds. And as far as bandwidth goes, 360: has 22.4 GB/s main memory bandwidth, 256 GB/s to eDRAM, 21.6 GB/s FSB and PS3: has 25.6 GB/s main memory bandwidth, 22.4 GB/s video memory bandwidth as stated on gamespot. What this translates to, with on screen graphics is any ones guess, but for some reason I take your "ask some one techy" answer with a pitch of salt. I don’t know if you are speaking the truth or not. I asked a software engineer and he said the more bandwidth the better, so I came up with my own view. If that is wrong then I stand corrected. But as you seem to know, then please explain in a little more detail then before what the bandwidth translates to on each system? After all it must mean something, and the 360 does have a bigger number, oooohhh!!! 57 -
damn it people...Unregistered - poopmouth 11.11.2005 18:13 everyone here sucks. all those xbox people posting on here are all whoring themselves out to MS. Think Im a liar?...read your damn posts again...most of you sound like youre defending your beloved pimp. oh, and to the PS3 fans that actually have a relevant opinion, stop lowering yourselves to thier levels by dignifying thier brainless, bais posts with a response...alright people, im sorry, but it needed to be said....oh, and xbox .360 sucks big floppy donkey balls...out. 58 -
#57Unregistered - otar 11.11.2005 18:28 Take a good hard look at yourself. But I like your humour. I like all games, don’t care about which console it’s on. I’m getting 360 and maybe a PS3 if its any good, but I don’t have that answer yet. And in the end don’t really give a toss what any one thinks about what console, just want to play great games. This banter is some fun nothing serious or meaning, a bit like Jerry Springer, but for consoles. I’m just having a break from Far Cry on xbox. 59 -
lol @ 57Unregistered - . 11.11.2005 18:33 Your dying grand mother sucks big floppy donkey balls... and she works it in and out. 60 -
# 58Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 18:34 spot on sir, you nailed it. oh yeah PS3 SUXORZ!!!!! lol 61 -
#59Unregistered - otar 11.11.2005 18:40 Like I said, I like your sense of humour. 62 -
huh?!...Unregistered - poopmouth 11.11.2005 18:55 my grandmother does that?!?! Damn, thats pretty damn impressive, considering she's been dead since 2001...thanks, prick...(sobs uncontrollably) 63 -
ps3 sucksUnregistered - Boooo 11.11.2005 18:57 PS2.5 blows monkey balls sony is crap and everything they make is crap the ps3 is not a gaming system its really a toilet seat see when it comes out ill post pics of me useing it for what it really is a nice shiny toilet seat. pony is crap 64 -
Unregistered - Evan 11.11.2005 19:11 Pfft u fan boys shut up. ps3 and xb360 are just different they are both good in their own ways. they are the same. for those that would want to debate or challange me just message me on aim @ Ejvid04 have fun. 65 -
Unregistered - wow 11.11.2005 19:23 Wow IT seems after reading all these posts, a servey oN this site on who prefers which system would show xbox360 to be the leader. AND THIS IS PS3 SITE LOL. 66 -
#64Otar 11.11.2005 19:30 You will always have your fan boys. Its part of the scene now, and some of it is funny. And when I get bored I like to read some of the comments and at times add to the fire, all for fun. I agree both systems will probably have the same on screen graphics as each other. And every once in a while you will see one system out perform the other. Its great to hear such passion about the gaming industry, and the different views. The one thing the 360, PS3 and Rev will all have in common is great games. 67 -
#65Otar 11.11.2005 19:35 I jump from 360, PS3 and Rev sites to see what’s going on. I see a lot PS3 fans on 360 sites. Like any fans out there, we all like to defend who we support. 68 -
Unregistered - wow 11.11.2005 19:43 ^yeah I understand that and I dont have a perferance of system, im buying all of them which is why I guess im on this site. I jsut was commenting on the amount of xbox360 favored posts compared to PS3 posts. 69 -
Unregistered - wow 11.11.2005 19:45 i mean in buying all the systems I have access to all the best games and I still come out cheaper than buying 1 gameing PC. 70 -
Unregistered - someone 11.11.2005 19:59 I understand that almost all of the games for xbox360 are ported from one or more of the current consoles. Games like PDZ and Kameo started on the gamecube, then microsoft bought rare and they started porting it over to the xbox. Now they are ported over to the 360. Before I completely give up on it I'm gonna wait until a game is developed from the ground up on it (because to tell you the truth, they don't look that special). Plus most of the games coming to the PS3 are developed from the ground up so naturally they will look better (hopefully)! 71 -
I DONT WANT ITUnregistered - Ps3 killer 11.11.2005 20:11 YOU can take your so called ps3 and shove it right up ur a$ 72 -
Unregistered - IT HORRIABLE 11.11.2005 20:14 Im goona get my ps3 just to c r a p on it ! 73 -
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oppsUnregistered - the core 11.11.2005 20:22 i still wouldnt get buy the ps3* 75 -
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Unregistered - f234kk 360 11.11.2005 20:46 we won't waste our money on xflop 1.5,never. go advertise the damn thing somewhere else.when the ps3 comes out, xflop 1.5 won't be something except a mid range pc! haha, while the ps3 will be beyond pc for years to come with it's fearsome combo of cell,rsx,blu-ray. 77 -
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oops i ment 22nd!!!! buy it Unregistered - read this 11.11.2005 21:10 get the best system ever the 360 and what to know what PS stands for PIEACE OF SH!T 2.5 who wants that the japs lost to us in a real war there is no way they can win a console war!!!! 79 -
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ps3 sucksUnregistered - xboxfanboy 11.11.2005 21:31 man i love xbox 360. i mean whats so special about ps3. so what if it has a seperior format and graphics/A.I. and physics ,games.and mgs4 is not real it cant be. Anything that looks that much better than anything on xbox 360 cant be real.i cant wait to play THOUSANDS of fps that are all the same.and i cant wait to jerk off to kameo.why would i want a futuristic ps3 when i can have a todays xbox 360 that will be outdaded in a couple of months.why would i want better graphics when i can play games with the same graphics as an old pc.i love you bill gates. 83 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 11.11.2005 21:37 I'm tired of warning you. Enjoy your vacation. ---Moderator 84 -
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to comment 85Havoc 11.11.2005 21:56 Thats good and all but you better make sure you watch yourself, if you in college and you get some every night you bound to catch somethen sooner or later especially if they from horny panty dropin girls. 87 -
Havoc 11.11.2005 22:06 Hey sorry about that mod, caught myself getting off topic. 88 -
76Unregistered - kolopy 11.11.2005 22:38 classic, lolololololol fearsome combo hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha your a genius, what about dildo and grill add that in the mix. 89 -
DONT BELIEVE IN THE HYPE!Unregistered - pshizle360 11.11.2005 22:45 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! I HAD JERKED OFF WHILE WATCHING THE KILLZONE TRAILER AT E3 THATS HOW GOOD THE PS2.5 IS! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS3 90 -
Haha, My god what the hell is with the flooding of Xbox Fanboys.. READ ME ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Retard 11.11.2005 23:03 It's prolly only 2-3 people using differnt alias's. Although i do like the comments... PS2.5 (how original); PS is not showing in game footage, well that maybe true BUT, it wouldn't be Sony showing the 'fake', prerend, or TargetVD. It would be the developers. I look at it this way Xbox Fans... MGS 1 (ps1, amazing for ps1's hardware) MGS 2 (for ps2, this was one of the 1st greatest looking ps2 games and still is in my opinion) So, is it really so hard to believe that MS4 would look far from what they've shown... If anyone knows and can understand what the numbers mean in the specifications, then it's possible; the hardware is there. Spartan; your comments have to be the best~~~ DON'T BUY A SYSTEMS BECAUSE OF IT'S LABEL... like Xbox360 Commericals -> "Jump In" Why the bandwagon...? 91 -
Nicely said #90Unregistered - WooHoo 11.11.2005 23:04 (Go Nintendo!!) 92 -
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PS IS A LOST CAUSEUnregistered - L. boogie 11.11.2005 23:20 the 360 is taking over and you sony clowns know it. all you'll have is sequals, mgs, ff, another grand turismo, I mean the list goes on and on, i've played all those on the ps2, why the hell would i play them again on a ps3. you have to be versatile you cant just get with sony and ride it out. or else you'll just keep playing the same games over and over. why you think so many people got away from nintendo no one's trying be 25 and over playing mario when there are so many adult games out. the 360 is a beast and when the software picks up there is no stopping it. so you can brag about metal gear solid, hell i played the first 3 and their basically the same just new story lines, grand turismo and final fantasy over and over thats just retarded. nothing to be proud of. 360 is an all around entertainment hub. Yeah ps3 will sell if it ever comes out because people are brainwashed if its ps something they get excited, and its the same rehashed titles with a new system. I wouldnt get a ps3 if they were handing them out for free thats how serious i am. you all talk like the ps3 is all that well it's not. the xbox 360 is the total package whether you morons want to face reality or not. Sony ran over nintendo but it wont run over the 360. lol you losers are done for. xbox 360 rocks... 94 -
PAUL CERULA 11.11.2005 23:23 #90, I can't tell if your being sarcastic when you say don't buy the xbox 360 for the label. But anyways just to reiterate, the commercials that have the xbox 360 label in them is to.....uhhh sell the product The reason behind that comment earlier was to say that sony fans who had the ps2 and/or ps1 shouldn't buy the ps3 based on sticking with the label. Same thing with Microsoft, but they've only had one console so label dedication is much less with Microsoft than Sony. Which is good, dedication to a label is one of the worst things in any consumer. That's why I have more respect for people who look past the company and go for the product. Those who rant brainlessly with curse words are the result of this obsession. If you would look at both products, and believe the facts and truth from other people you would realize that both the xbox 360 and ps3 are very very close in performance. So for perhaps the one of the last times, buy what console fits what games you want and what functions. Do you want a console now or six months from now, the choice I leave up to you.. 95 -
to comment 89Havoc 11.11.2005 23:27 "A recent survey conducted by research firm XTN Data " no it's not "Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system" how many units are going to be shipped to europe on luanch day? 96 -
Unregistered - 360 all the way 11.11.2005 23:38 I agree with 70 onehundred percent. Tho im looking forward to the 360 the most its kind of hard looking at all those ported games. Yeah I too would prefer games from the ground up, however waiting for the ps3 is not an option for me. No one knows when the ps3 is coming out, they said 07 for the us but with their financial troubles and countless lawsuits it may never come out. So im opting for the 360 and we know that the games will be great come 06, MS is doing this intentionally. I had the nintendo 64, the I had the ps2, now im getting the 360. never could I be loyal to a lable I want to experience the best of each one. Friends have had the ps1, the xbox, and the gamecube. Im very excited about the 360 and cant wait to get mind. if i would have had the xbox the last time around then i'll be eagar for the ps3. I get the system I want not loyal to a brand .........so for me its 360 all the way. 97 -
Unregistered - man 11.12.2005 00:21 "Do you want a console now or six months from now, the choice I leave up to you" why get a console(xflop 1.5) now that will be outdated and completly destroyed in sales/performance in 6 months by ps3. 98 -
Unregistered - 97 11.12.2005 01:38 number 97, you idiot, your worthless to anyones opinion. All you do is post dim-whitted comments that mean nothing. When you say "xboxflop" your just showing how pathetic you are...get a life or start saying something factual. Performance xbox360 = ps3 ohh yah (-live).........THAT'S INDISPUTABLE AND DON'T FORGET IT 99 -
WTFTheBlob 11.12.2005 03:00 WTF is wrong with all of you your arguing over which electronic device is better than the other like its all that matters in the world. Its called a life !!GET ONE!! . Geez this is what you "sound like". Yo the PS3 is my life my fat ass life that hasnt been laid or the Xbox fanboys who sound like "Yo The Xbox 360 has total control over my mind man it like rules every decision I make" ya thats how it is you are all being controled by marketing. Hey nothing wrong with gaming unless you argue like 3 year olds over it. 100 -
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Real Gamer Unregistered - The Truth Fish Man 11.12.2005 07:59 I left this site months ago and all this chaos happens over consoles, alright I'm going to say the obvious, Xbox fanboys your not doing justice for the 360 your like cancer you make things bad for everyone else. Your giving the Sony Fanboys more of a reason not to buy the 360 because your acting the same as dictators, it sounds like the majority of you you guys haven't talked about the games and your only giving the 360 a bad impression. Sony fanboys I really though most of you guys wouldn't sink to their level but you've already done that, to be honest just ignore them because they have no idea what their talking about since all the consoles aren't even out yet. I only come here to read the articles, I don't bother commenting here because someone will belittle my choice of what consoles I want to purchase, I think great original games will sell the consoles this time around. I stopped playing both consoles for awhile, God of War and Resident Evil 4 came out for the ps2 I dusted off my ps2 and started playing it again since new games have been coming out. The xbox 360 is coming out and it seems Microsoft abandoned the first console I wanted to buy some xbox games but I'm a big action game fan and the only one that looks good right now is Stubs the zombie Rebel Without a pulse. The console of my choice will be determined by new gameplay and original games because I'm tired of playing games with better graphics with the same gameplay mechanics, if you guys want to label me as a fanboy your completely wrong. I'll end up buying all the consoles only until I see more original games with different concepts, I might just end up buying two systems instead it really depends on what I see for original concepts and creativity in games. Most of you Xbox fanboys are saying that everyone wants a 360 now, what if eveyone else who isn't a fanboy wants to wait awhile to purchase the console I looked up a poll on Game Spot and it determined if people wanted it at launch. I have my reasons to buy the next gen consoles, my opinion doesn't matter here but the editors have to delete the negative comments and all of you guys are giving them nothing but a headaches. I'm only 18 and you guys seem to have no sense of the term next gen, to me it seems microsoft is pulling all the stops to sell the 360 but once all the consoles come out their strategy won't last for long. Anyone of you could call me whatever you want with sad excuses or one of your sad sob story but they won't work because I only come here to read the articles and I'll only come back when I feel like it. The games that have the most fun , creativity, and depth will sell the consoles if games are souless even if they're good they're only good to play once, online play is great but if people are acting like jerks it pisses me off. Repetitive gameplay and the same level design that the developers use is getting old real fast if no one thinks outside the box and makes a clone of a popular game it isn't doing anything for their studio or company. To be honest everyone who comes on this site doesn't speak for the rest of the world, the sales of the consoles will be determined by the world not just Europe and the U.S. rumours are only for the weak minded who don't know anything. I'm going to say this one thing before I leave and I know all you don't give a crap, I play video games when I have the time and I spend most of my time living my life with my friends, family and work. 102 -
god get ova itUnregistered - Dragon Flames 11.12.2005 08:39 Just shut up n post useful info not u're fan club crap 103 -
reply to 101Unregistered - dragn avengr 11.12.2005 08:40 "The Truth Fish Man"....... U R DA MAN. 104 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.12.2005 10:16 nice post 101, I'm also 18, I also think i'm going to leave this site for a while. Reason: to many xboxfanboys try to convince me to buy their console and don't give strong arguments. Hopefully things will get better when the xbox is out and people play it instead of arguing about it. 105 -
Unregistered - xflop 11.12.2005 10:51 #98 they are not eqaul in performance. you think this because you hope they are eqaul .there is no need to debate ps3 is more powerful and there is nothing you can do about it so stfu.your the idiot so go have fun with your xflop 1.5 because thats what it is an half a$ upgrade from the first xflop. 106 -
ONLY RETARDS BELIEVE IN THE HYPE!Unregistered - pshizle 11.12.2005 11:27 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! I HAD JERKED OFF WHILE WATCHING THE KILLZONE TRAILER AT E3 THATS HOW GOOD THE PS2.5 IS! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS3 107 -
500,000 UNITSUnregistered - pshizle360 11.12.2005 11:37 for the sony fans that want to know how many xbox360s they are selling in the UK its 500,000 108 -
hey 104TheBlob 11.12.2005 11:39 its not a half ass upgrade they just used stuff that wotks to make a more powerful system you try and make a video game systmem that can match the original Nintendo. Ya thats what I thought now shut up and quit making yourself seem supperior by what video game system your gonna buy and play video games for fun not for life and death. 109 -
opps 105TheBlob 11.12.2005 11:41 :/ 110 -
Unregistered - not impressed 11.12.2005 11:48 to "the blob" im just not impressed with the lousy cheap hardware inside of the xbox 360 111 -
lolUnregistered - xbox fans wake up 11.12.2005 12:00 Here are missing points: HDMI can output gigs and gigs of data along with sound, do the research. People who think we dont need more space on discs, obviously do not understand how much space is required to hold HD quality data running at 1080p!! Sony has not released official specs because they continue to improve them their already impressive specs, dont hate. BluRay DOES spin 1x!!! however, 1x BluRay is equivalent to 2x DVD rom, which is equivalent to 9x CD-Rom, its all about streaming bandwith people! BluRay can stream GIGS BluRay1 supports 36Gigs, by the time PS3 launches they'll use the next spec, 50Gigs perhaps. The point is, in its final spec BluRay can support 200Gigs!! But you wanna support old or inneficient formats? Sony's gaming library IS bigger and better get over it! Even Xbox fans stubbornly know this! Sony has built in WiFi, Xbox does not, fork 50$ Dont even get me started on graphics, I was not impressed by Tri-CORE 3.2GHtz and the rest of its specs, and whoever said they were blown away by CallofDuty, shame on you! I've seen PC gaming rigs with better frame rates and particle effects! Playstation WILL look better, will have more features, capabilities, and it is a true media system, not an "Extender" it uses media ports, built in ripping functions. If Sony uses linux core, it will spell doom for the competition, as linux developers will code an endless supply of software for the PS3 and to use its extreme power... You guys talk from hype, not from an understanding of the small steps that are going to impact the life of the PS3. OPINION: Any company that denies you a built in feature like DVD playback so you spend more money on their products is EVIL! its like racing a car..the more horsepower the faster it will be...ps3 has more horsepower guys..so yea its going to win! 112 -
105Unregistered - kolopy 11.12.2005 12:01 ps3 is not more powerfull because it is still vaporware, have you seen a fully working ps3?? no you aint coz there aint one last i heard they are having trouble getting the cell upto 3.2g without melting, so it might stay at 2.4g woooooooooooooooooooo crappy jap goods pffffft. hola! 113 -
# 111Unregistered - kolopy 11.12.2005 12:05 horsepower does not make the car a winner it's all different factors weight,areodynamics,grip,gear ratio's, a 700bhp f1 car will destroy a 850bhp tvr speed 12. FACT idiot. 114 -
Unregistered - xflop 11.12.2005 12:09 we won't waste our money for xflop 1.5/dreamcast 360/xbox 1.5,never. go advertise the damn thing somewhere else.when the ps3 comes out, xflop 1.5 won't be something except a mid range pc! haha, while the ps3 will be beyond pc for years to come with it's fearsome combo of cell,rsx,blu-ray. 115 -
pssshUnregistered - lol 11.12.2005 12:13 #113 if you got to the car thing at the bottom im happy that means you read the whole thing and my point is across :) 116 -
# 115Unregistered - kolopy 11.12.2005 12:22 yeah i read it but i'm getting both anyway, realise both machines will be awesome in their own fields for their first party games, dont be a zealot like all the other chumps on here. 117 -
..Unregistered - lol 11.12.2005 13:30 yes both will be good id get a 360 if i i didnt have to get a bundle and right now no where around here can even take orders...:/ 118 -
Unregistered - i 11.12.2005 13:31 bottom line ps3 is more popwerful hands down no questions asked period 119 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.12.2005 13:42 there is absolutely no hype for x360 in england...absolutely preposterous...that 27 % figure should be downgraded to 2% or 5% 120 -
Unregistered - harry 11.12.2005 13:47 yea i agree too...there is no hype for x360 in england...and x360s are not sold out in england...it is just that the shops are not taking preorders due lack of interest...ps2 has beaten xbox by a margin of 4.5:1....stop posting those garbage comments...in europe there is absolutely no one who is willing to buy x360 and why would you buy one when it is 1/4 as powerful as ps3 121 -
ONLY RETARDS BELIEVE IN THE HYPE!Unregistered - pshizle360 11.12.2005 13:48 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! I HAD JERKED OFF WHILE WATCHING THE KILLZONE TRAILER AT E3 THATS HOW GOOD THE PS2.5 IS! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS3 122 -
MS last consoleUnregistered - gary 11.12.2005 13:49 power makes a difference..i just played the demos of x360 in best buy and i was so disappointed...hopefully ps3 beats much inferior x360 by a margin of 10:1...this is MS last console 123 -
Unregistered - hey u bastard 11.12.2005 13:52 12.8*4=38.4 gflops(claimed by IBM) vs 218 gflops for cell(claimed by IBM) 2 TF vs 500 gflops....yea did you see the gameplay footage of GOW..it sucks...and what about MGS4...how could you compare ps3 with something that is 1/4 as powerful...this is MS last console 124 -
Unregistered - larry 11.12.2005 14:00 hype...people in england dont even know what is x360..that is a dead console 125 -
Unregistered - mac 11.12.2005 14:02 yea larry i am in england...and xbox could not even sell a million units and i am also disappointed after seeing the x360 demos..surely this is MS last console 126 -
Unregistered - xflop 11.12.2005 14:46 we won't waste our money for xflop 1.5/dreamcast 360/xbox 1.5,never. go advertise the damn thing somewhere else.when the ps3 comes out, xflop 1.5 won't be something except a mid range pc! haha, while the ps3 will be beyond pc for years to come with it's fearsome combo of cell,rsx,blu-ray. 127 -
Unregistered - nancy 11.12.2005 15:28 garbage garbage garbage box...... 128 -
Unregistered - kolopy 11.12.2005 16:05 that's funny i just got a call today saying i wont get first shipment for 360 and guess what i live in england, we do know about it and it is sold out absolutley everywhere, unless you want a core pack. 129 -
Unregistered - nothing 11.12.2005 16:08 its sold out because they are shipping 100 xbox 360 units worldwide 130 -
Unregistered - sony sucksssssssss 11.12.2005 16:09 The xbox 360 is not inferior, its just that those demos sucked. Once they get some better demo's you'll see a difference. It's funny to see you try and put down the 360 cause you did'nt like the demo's. And good luck on the ps3 lol it may get cancelled. The 360 for me is the way to go. I'll take a gamecube before I get the ps3 Im so foreal about it. (deleted by moderator) 131 -
ps3 and x360Unregistered - GAMER99 11.12.2005 16:16 PS3 AND XBOX 360 HAVE ROUGHLY THE SAME GRAPHICS YOU COMPLETE RETARDS. WHEN SONY ACTUALLY EVER DECIDES TO SHOW AND ALLOW PEOPLE PLAYING THE PS3 YOU FAGS WILL REALISE THAT GAMEPLAY OF THE TWO CONSOLES WILL LOOK VIRTUALY IDENTICAL. SONY TALK TOO MUCH......I PERSONALLY CANNOT B ARSED TO WAIT FOR PS3 BCAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTH....XBOX 360 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.....PS3, FINE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR FOR THE SONY BRANDED PS3 WHICH I THINK YOU'LL FIND WILL BE A LET DOWN AT THE START COMPARED WHAT THEY HAVE SAID IT CAN DO.I PERSONALLY LIKE PLAYING THE GAMES....XBOX 360 IS FOR GAMES....PS3 'A WHOLE ENTERTAINMENT MACHINE....ITS NOT A GAMES MACHINE' YET AGAIN SONY TALKING BOLOX. THEY R BOTHE GUNA B EXCELLENT CONSOLES....JUST STOP BICHING BOUT IT.....GET ONE OR THE OTHER....NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR SPECULATION FROM PPL THAT DONT KNOW BOLOX 132 -
132 Unregistered - NINTENDO REVOLUTION 11.12.2005 16:57 Hey I know I was the main one going on and on about the 360 well im still getting one, but I now im thinking when the revolution comes out i'll defitnitely be getting it, I love it's sleek design and finally figured out the whole thing with their controller, Nintendo are true inovators, I think I actaully more excited about it than I am the 360. I just hope that they don't have everything mario, and hello kitty but if they crank out some mature titles i'll be happy. It'll be cheaper then the competion, more inovation, and that sleek style is more desired. Yeah im excited. 133 -
damn rightUnregistered - wiggins 11.12.2005 18:58 im British and i know alot of people and i can't tell you that only 3 people i know have an xbox. and asking around very one wants a ps3, don't give a crap about the 360 and afew are looking forward to the revolusion mainly to see have crap that remote will be. sony better realise this and start giving us the stuff with the rest of the world. you have no idea how long we have to wait for something thats already out in the us. also when you pay $500 for the ps3 like the ps2 we pay £500(pounds)which if u look at the exchange rate thats about double. and after all that we still like sony more that the xbox. 134 -
Vivicious 11.12.2005 19:05 "Philips introduced today amBX – a light year leap in ambient experience – to the world of computer gaming, spotlighting a technology that will revolutionize the gameplay experience and extend the gaming world out of the screen and into the real world. Due for release in May 2006 and coming from the Surrey-based Philips amBX Group, amBX is a step towards a full 'sensory surround experience' and enabled games will provide gamers with the ability to use light, colour, sound, heat and even airflow in the real world during gameplay. Imagine the room of the future, where all electronic devices are amBX-enabled. The treacherous road to Saigon will turn your room jungle green, swimming with dolphins will splash it deep blue, 'Halo' jumps will turn your fans on full, lightning storms will strobe your white lighting, and attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion will blast on your heaters. Incorporating a scripting language, software engine and architecture, amBX has been designed to deliver all-new player experiences through enabled devices such as LED colour-controlled lights, active furniture, fans, heaters, audio and video, which are all placed in the user's room. amBX goes even further to provide the support framework for peripheral manufacturers to develop these enabled products, empowering both developers and publishers to amBX-enable and enhance their games. In the future, game players may even be able to author and share their own personal amBX experiences online. The networked home is rapidly becoming a reality for many, through the introduction of low cost wireless technologies such as Wi-Fi and BlueTooth. amBX has embraced this changing future by allowing content authors a language in which to describe and recreate experiences in an Ambient Intelligent Environment. Within a location the devices controlled by the amBX language act as parts of a browser. Together they render the experience and the player's room, in effect, becomes the browser. "For games creators this is a fantastic opportunity: amBX expands the immersive experience by bringing the real world environment into the gameplay," said, Jo Cooke, Chief Marketing Officer, Philips amBX. "The creative possibilities, using this technology, for the games industry and beyond are immense." Through amBX, Philips has forged a common language for the creation, distribution and sharing of totally new experiences and the launch into the games industry is merely the start of a shock wave that will boom across film, music and mass market entertainment as a whole. Philips is currently in the advanced stages of talks with a number of leading computer games developers and peripheral manufacturers regarding amBX-enabling leading games and devices, and will be officially launching the technology to the market in May 2006." Seems like some very promising tech to me. It looks incredible. I'd be pretty stoked if I could get my hands on this tech. Probably several thousands of dollars, but still. Explosions hit you with a wave of heat, and the lights in horror games would be awesome. The options are endless. Also you can customize it, would love to make my own movies (real life or even flash and the like.) and implement these things, great stuff. 135 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 11.12.2005 21:48 how do you beat the last colossus once you get on him??? I stabbed him in the back, and then climbed his arms and stabbed that, but then what??????????????????????? 136 -
Havoc 11.12.2005 22:16 I'm on the 7th colossus so I can't help you. 137 -
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Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 11.12.2005 22:47 Nevermind, i just beat the game. What an awesome game, the ending was great. I am touched...**sniff** **Sniff** 140 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 01:04 the xbox is not inferior but it is 4x inferior compared to ps3....i played the full game of pgr3 today(illegally)...dont ask me how .... x360 can never match ps3 in graphics ps3 has cell that can do 218 gflops(confirmed by IBM) vs 12.8*3=38.4 gflops for the 3 xenos(confirmed by IBM) RSX has a texel filtering rate of 13.2 billion /s vs 8.0 for atir500. xdr ram is 5x faster than gddr3...and needs very small buswidth (which is amazing)...works by a direct pointer to pointer ratio...garbage box has conventional gddr3... total floating point calculation of ps3 is 2.18 tf comapared with just 500gflops for xbox360. ps3 uses YDRAM...x360 uses 10 mb eDRAM (which was used in ps2 as well) total memory bandwidth of ps3 is 22.6+25.6g/s....total memory bandwidth of MS last console is 22.6g/s... ps3 can perform 100 billion shader operations per second....x360 practically can do just 42 billion shader operation per second... ps3 can perform 51 billion dot product operations per second....x360 can perform 9 billion dot product operations per second... ati X1800 512mb ram is easily outgunned by g70 256mb card...ati themselves stated that r520 is superior to atir500(in x360) at higher resolutions and vice versa for lower resolutions ....we all know that RSX is the G71 tweaked on a 90nm based technology...can you even imagine what RSX is like... ps3 is far superior(minimum 3x) to x360 in all departments....this is MS last console...although if we take the real flop count of xenos we find that margin go up by 6. 141 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 01:29 even robbie bach(high school dropout of MS) said" look we did the math...ps3 is just marginally more powerful than x360"....lol just see that ...even being someone very influential he never had the audacity to say that ps3 has the same power as x360... http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15015-1985-4-4-x we look at what crytek had to say....the interview is available on the net and it is in german ..it was conducted just before the TGS ..they had the almost final SDK of x360 (2.8ghz xenos,ATI r500) and the beta kits of ps3(2.4ghz cell and6800 in sli mode)................" if you compare the PPE with the 3 cores of x360 you have the xenos being 2 times more powerful than the PPE...but when you take the 8 spes in consideration the ps3 becomes 3x more powerful than the x360" AKARI UCHIDA...creator of rumble rosesXX for x360....this is what he had to say...during the time of interview he had the final SDK of x360 with 3.2ghz xenos and ofcourse the beta kits of ps3 with 2.4 ghz cell +6800 in sli mode http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200509/N05.0916.2039.01789.htm this is what he said...note the final SDK of ps3 would be released in decmeber GI: What do you think you could pull off on one system that you could not on another? Uchida: I think there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider. But the online of the 360 is amazing and is probably better than the PS3. the only developer who said that the ps3 was marginally more powerful than x360 was the infamous sony hating john carmack...who deliberately refrained from publishing DOOM3 on ps2 saying that it doesnnot have enough power to support the gaming engine....later the game shadow of colossus,GOD of war proved the fallacies of his arguements...by all counts the ps3 outguns the x360 by big margins and yes this poll is a hoax..there is no one england who is willing to buy a x360 over a ps3 142 -
Unregistered - qtqt 11.13.2005 01:50 what with these ppl who cannot spell s*** no wonder there hella ppl on this site there mostly neards living with their parents, who failed L.A. Man get a life :( 143 -
Unregistered - silverback 11.13.2005 02:08 "by all counts the ps3 outguns the x360 by big margins and yes this poll is a hoax..there is no one england who is willing to buy a x360 over a ps3" So does your "by all counts" take into consideration the many articles including ars technica and anandtech among others who have stated that the differences between the systems are a wash? No of course not because it doesn't fit into your pre-conceived beliefs and desires. Funny you mentioned John Carmack. He is a much more respected developer than those from Rummble Roses, so what was your point again? The funny thing is that all your little sudo techy talk means absolutely nothing to the majority of consumers who bought the PS2 regardless of the fact that it was very much under powered compared to the xbox. When Sony starts to release real info on the PS3 and consumers see that there is no noticable difference they won't wait a year for the experience that they can get now. Except wait a minute, the PS3 won't have the same live experience, so no, the experience won't be the same it will be inferior in many ways to that which is on the 360. Blue Ray? Right that is going to make my experience so much better? Dude just get over yourself and realize that the fun has arrived and you are going to miss out. 144 -
140 STFU PS3 AINT EVEN OUT YET SO STOP LYING!!!!!Unregistered - STOP LYING 11.13.2005 03:15 STFU AND STOP LYING 145 -
142 IF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE THEN THAT MAKES YOU ONE TO BECAUSE ARE POSTING ON THE SITE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US SO STFU...NERD!Unregistered - NERD 11.13.2005 03:33 NERD 146 -
Unregistered - sony sux 11.13.2005 03:43 These people have soooo much faith in the ps3 considering the ps3 does not exist it's in development and the specs could and would change and not really for the better, and yes they are having major whoas with the cell processor and it may not run the numbers like they wanted, the 360 is up and running at the specs announced. On top of that the ps3 maybe dalayed 07 or 08 who the hell will wait that long just because it says sony certainly not me. Nov 22, 2005 people will be enjoying thier systems and Dec 25, 2005 alot of people will recieve them as gifts. By the time spring 06 comes the game support and quality would start to pick up and people will be online and its just a beautiful thing, and you will still be on this site comparing specs, and looking at mgs4 movies, how lame, thats dumb retarded. By the time the ps3 does launch if it ever launches, the 360 would have had a price drop or two which would make it even more attractive, come on now use your brains no one give a f*ck about sony. You read your psm magazines and let that stuff into your minds and you believe it when in reality its all marketing, case and point. I was reading in the psm magazine about some game show some months back, they showed a asian woman sitting in an area designated for the xbox 360 with a controller in her hand looking into the camera, and behind her were like 4 people around a monitor or something, and the caption read sony's ps3 was the life of the party even tho sony only displayed movies and no real game footage, now im thinking how is that the life of the party, to be honest the lady in the pic probably was asked to take that pic before the party started it just didnt look right, you have a fully functional system and hi def tv, with no one playing and 4 people in the back alledgly look at sony footage, total bs. I hate sony. 360 all the way. 147 -
Unregistered - PERFORMANCE 11.13.2005 04:17 PS3 AND XBOX 360 ARE THE SAME IN PERFORMANCE....NOT AN ISSUE 148 -
!Unregistered - ! 11.13.2005 05:38 Theyre not... How come my post, 100, was deleted by a moderator ? I didnt say anything offensive in it... 149 -
Well done 140 !Unregistered - ! 11.13.2005 05:49 140, well done. Youve put the x3.60 fans back where they belong. Theyre not even smart enough to comment back on your post... 150 -
I really don't understandUnregistered - MS SUX BIG TIME 11.13.2005 06:15 You Xbots insist that the difference is marginal (which is not).OK,let's say you're right.Even in that case my choice as a sony fan is PS3 again.Why should i buy the xbox? Is that an obligation for all gamers to buy it? And if it's really that good, why can't compete with PS3 directly? first,they have to rush and release it months before the PS3 in order to sell it as much as they can while there is no competitor (really a great feat!) and after PS3 release, they have to cut the price so they can stay alive. By the way, we don't want to hear your opinion, we don't give a sh*t if you like the PS3 or not. We want,like and buy it. Looks like jelousy is killing you guys. 151 -
MS SUX BIG TIME-I HATE MSUnregistered - MS SUX BIG TIME 11.13.2005 06:51 Xbox 1.5 is going to be launched in just 9 days with all of these deafening MS advertising campaigns and PS3 still (as you xbots claim) doesn't exist and look! PS3 is the most anticipated!! HAHA! Guess what will happen when Sony shows game footage and we get closer to it's launch. Xbox 1.5 will be left in the dust. PS3 fans are like fire under the ash now, it is the calm before the storm. Enjoy it while you can chickens,the Dragon King is coming! 152 -
ExcellentUnregistered - ! 11.13.2005 07:11 Very nicely put 150 and 151, I couldnt have said it better myself. 153 -
Jolly good show old chaps !Unregistered - . 11.13.2005 07:25 Thats the spirit ! Lets show those blighters what we think of their outdated mechanism ! 154 -
PS3, I THOUGHT....Unregistered - PMC 11.13.2005 08:03 I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS EVEN TO MICROSOFT 'LOVERS' THAT PS3 WOULD/WILL ABSOLUTELY 'TAN' THE 'xbox360'....well? 155 -
#147Unregistered - pmc 11.13.2005 08:25 .............has a point! 156 -
Unregistered - p 11.13.2005 08:27 shouldn't we just be quiet and laugh at ms lovers i know it would make my day, they are idiots if they are prepared to do battle with a console with far less performance than ps3. i think that we should just get on with life and not worry about it..... i wonder if mr.microsoft and mr.sony are worrying about this!? 157 -
DONT BELIEVE IN THE HYPE!Unregistered - pshizle 11.13.2005 08:40 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! I HAD JERKED OFF WHILE WATCHING THE KILLZONE TRAILER AT E3 THATS HOW GOOD THE PS2.5 IS! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS3 158 -
Xflop,Xbox 1.5,Dreamcast 360 SUX BIG TIMEUnregistered - Xflop,Xbox 1.5,Dreamcast 360 SUX BIG TIME 11.13.2005 09:00 Xflop,Xbox 1.5,Dreamcast 360 SUX BIG TIME 159 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.13.2005 09:52 Lol @157: you xboyfanboys are hyping the ps3, not sony. Sony hasn't released any real info after mgs4. Go enjoy your xbox at 22 nov if you can get one, or you can wait till april when a new shipment arrives. 160 -
IS TIME TO LET YOUR UN TRUE WORD DIEUnregistered - GAMER 11.13.2005 09:59 YOU WHANT A REAL GAME AND GAMEPLAY CHECK THE BIG DOG METAL GEAR 4 IS THE BEST GAME IS EVEN BETER THAN THAT CRAPY HALO . SAY HELO TO MY LITEL FRIEND PART 4 161 -
Unregistered - WOAH 11.13.2005 11:12 Woah first PS3 is 2 times as powerful as xbox360 now its 3 times as powerful. Whats next 2 weeks from now it will be 4 times as powerful? You guys crack me up. 162 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 11.13.2005 11:14 It is only 5% more wanted? Seems like an awfully narrow lead. 163 -
140Unregistered - guy 11.13.2005 11:41 Your a newb and a liar. 164 -
...Unregistered - elusive 11.13.2005 11:48 yea next week it COULD be 5 times as powerful they are still making everything better...which is why it will be better..and just be patient for the in game or playable demos...they are soon to come very soon...from the 360 launch until febuary i think they will have all sorts of ps3 showings and events..one at 360 launch one in december one in jan and one in feb i think...so just wait it out trust me it will be worht the wait... 165 -
...Unregistered - lol 11.13.2005 11:52 lol if ur talkin about the ps3 having a 5% lead and sayin its awful..then you must be blind...thats a good lead for it being far from launch..think about when playable and in game shows itself.. that 5% wil soon rise. 166 -
Unregistered - Silverback 11.13.2005 12:45 Ya'll just don't get it do you. A 5% lead is so within the margin of error especially from just 1000 people that it isn't even funny. It is just as possible that MS actually leads in expectations. But the bottom line that you people aren't getting is that if this is true it is a huge Sony loss. Sony completely dominated the last gen with the PS2 but if by the end of this next generation MS is only behind Sony by 5% then they will have accomplished the incredible. I love how ya'll state that it isn't true that the two consoles are very close but give no convincing reason for your statements. Tell the truth it is better because you want it to be and not because you have seen better games or have tested the hardware or gotten the opinion of 2-3 qualified independant analysts regarding hardware differences. Having not been able to compare the hardware every analyst that I have read has stated that they both have their strengths and weaknesses but that they are essentially a wash. But then what was I thinking, most people who are on this site are probably naive, juvenile, or uneducated. 167 -
XBOX360>PS2.5Unregistered - Dizzo 11.13.2005 12:58 until i see the ps3 in real time and no cgi or movie crap then i can judge between the two. Dont tell me that you seen the ps3 in realtime because thats just BS! OUT OF 1,000 PEOPLE WELL THATS NOT THAT MUCH........I BELIEVE THIS SERVEY IS BS AND SO IS THE BS3 OR I MEAN TEH PS2.5 XBOX360>PS2.5 168 -
Xflop,Xbox 1.5,Dreamcast 360 SUX BIG TIMEUnregistered - Xflop,Xbox 1.5,Dreamcast 360 SUX BIG TIME 11.13.2005 13:03 Xflop,Xbox 1.5,Dreamcast 360 SUX BIG TIME 169 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 13:21 bro read IBM's articles for any comparison....CELLs are usually made to work in clusters...IBM recently tested that 6 cells in a rack can provide upto 16 tf of computational power...as for people's saying recent surveys in europe and japan indicated 71 and 69% favourable rating....the ps2 till now has sold 91 million units as compared to 21 million on xbox to give you an idea of the sales distribution: Worldwide Hardware Sales (End of June 2005) PS2 - 91 million Xbox - 21.9 million GameCube - 18.76 million Game Boy Advance - 67.77 million Nintendo DS - 6.65 million PSP - 5.06 million PSone - 102.49 million the japanese not only loves sony but hates MS I now have the regional sales for each platform. North America PlayStation 2 - 32.86 million Xbox - 13.2 million GameCube - 10.11 million Japan / Asia PlayStation 2 - 19.47 million Xbox - 1.7 million GameCube - 3.78 million Europe / PAL PlayStation 2 - 29.06 million look at ps2:xbox in europe Xbox - 5.0 million GameCube - 4.13 million Worldwide PlayStation 2 - 81.39 million Xbox - 19.9 million GameCube - 18.03 million All Three Consoles North America - 56.17 million (47.08%) Japan / Asia - 24.95 million (20.91%) Europe / PAL - 38.19 million (32.01%) Worldwide - 119.32 million I'll list the Handhelds separately, since there are three. North America Game Boy Advance - 32.82 million Nintendo DS - 1.36 million PlayStation Portable - N/A Japan / Asia Game Boy Advance - 15.48 million Nintendo DS - 1.45 million PlayStation Portable - 0.51 million Europe / PAL Game Boy Advance - 17.44 million Nintendo DS - 0.03 million PlayStation Portable - N/A Worldwide Game Boy Advance - 65.74 million Nintendo DS - 2.84 million PlayStation Portable - 0.51 million All numbers are total sales till the End of 2004. you can check the european sales figures..similiarly the europeans hate MS japanese sales figure for october(weekly) October 31 - November 6, 2005 Nintendo DS - 48,520 PSP - 29,395 PS2 - 22,030 Game Boy Micro - 9,349 Game Boy Advance SP - 7,089 GameCube - 3,290 Game Boy Advance - 284 Xbox - 167 with superior xbox MS was badly beaten by sony all around the world.....with inferior xbox 360 that has 1/4 the power of ps3 we could all conclude that this is MS last console...by the way bros do check the highly disappointing x360 demos at a bestbuy store near you....just like in england where virtually no one is interested to buy x360 ...in canada it is even worse....i went to check the demos yesterday...on weekends i founds scores of people gathering all around the various entertainment section of futureshop.ca excepting the kiosks of x360 which was running the demos on a 17/20 inch samsung monitor....and everybody was asking just one thing ...."IS THIS NEXT GEN ?????" 170 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 13:27 ofcourse this survey is a bullshit...how can you have inferior x360 come within the 5% range of ps3...it shoul be ps3:x360==10:1 by the way ps2 has beaten garbage box by a margin of 8:1...ps3 would make it 20:1 how could people even dream of x360 within 5% of the selling figures of ps3.....x360 is dead all around the world...it is critically alive in US...why wd some one pay 399 for a conventional non existant dvd-drive...3 normal duel core processors,an ATI card with much less texel filtering rate and half the total texture bandwidth of ps3(47.5 vs 22.5),less than half the total system (cpu and gpu)memory bandwidth(22g/s vs 48g/s)...and ofcourse a 20 gig hard drive costing 100USD?????????????????????????????????absolutely preposterous 171 -
Wasim Rules!Unregistered - Wasim Rules! 11.13.2005 13:38 Wasim Rules! 172 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 13:41 ps3 is 2 times powerful if you take the MS words into consideration 115gflops vs 218 gflops...............but if you take the manufacturer IBM's words into account the margin bcomes 4/6......218gflops(confirmed by IBM) vs 12.8*3=38.4gflops (confirmed by IBM) the opportunity cost of producing CELL is 1.73 billion dollars as opposed to just 223 million dollars spents on XENOS the opportunity cost of producing RSX is 533 million dollars as compared to 400million for ati R500 for best understanding of the cell processor and xenos read IBM's own documentations...red dr hofsee http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/r.arch.innovation.html this is what iBM had to say note that in the above article dr hofsee said that although each SPE is single stranded but they are much more efficient than any single core processor in the market and he also sates that future computer coding would allow it to run multiple threads as well. this is not all read the encrypted documentation of IBM ...they said that each cell is a minimum of 10x powerful than any processor as well as XENOS....however that margin goes up in some application and also downgrades in a few applications....IBM themselves have pinned their hopes on regainning the processor with cell....which is highly likely since INTEL had initial plans to come up with something like cell in 2015....this is not all ...IBM has plans to develop a CELL containing 100 spes...wow...we are looking at a CELL revolution...it cannot be deterred 173 -
#167 LOL@PS 2.5Unregistered - MS SUX 11.13.2005 13:45 Man you need to call your doctor. on what basis you call it ps 2.5? what weakness did you find in it? even MS itself admits that PS3 is stronger. 174 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 13:55 in order to arbitrate you would have to come up with real figures from the manufactures not sony or MS...not to forget about the graphs by XBOX live online community manager named major nelson(a highschool dropout like bill gates).... i have already posted the comparitive figures in 140 so i am going over things again...whichever way you look at it..ps3 outguns x360 by a margin of 2:1(theoretical) 4/6:1(practical if one takes IBM's words into account) Not to forget the hoax emails made up teamxbox in response to AGEIA at GDC...x360 can only support some of AGEIA's features...WELL i was the one who proved that to be fake...firstly u had the CHAIRMAN of AGEIA exchanging some valuable information with ordinary gamer...which can never happen.....secondly you had a muslim from the indian subcontinent taking the trouble of writing to AGEIA for MS(x360) which is never ever never ever possible.. 175 -
<>Unregistered - pshizle360 11.13.2005 14:18 XBOX>PS2 xbox won this gen in my opinion just because it is more powerfull even if the xbox360 sold more consoles then the ps3 then in the end you will be like me PS3>xbox360 dont compare........just enjoy your console =) the ps3 will cost $599 if its sells for $399 i believe sony will lose loads of money! 176 -
About AgeiaUnregistered - MS SUX 11.13.2005 14:35 What they said about physics was true. They were forced by MS to change their words. They said they tested 2 systems: 1-PC: single core CPU + PPU 2-PC: dual core CPU + no PPU The first system was perfect and could run all the features of their engine. In second system, physics was run by the dual core cpu and while being able to run some features with a pathetic frame rate, never reached the level of first system. Since neither PS3 nor X360 have a PPU, they rely on their cpu for physics processing. The X360 cpu "Xenon" is equal to a top end dual core athlon 64 or marginally better at best but the Cell is totally different and it's architecture is ideal for physics. What Ageia said is that the only system that could match a PC with PPU is the PS3. Only PS3 can run 100% features of their physics engine.PS3 is like the first system above and xbox is like the second one. 360 can do physics but not as good and complete as PS3. 177 -
lol @ all ps3 lovers mindless bastaredsUnregistered - lol @ all ps3 lovers mindless bastareds 11.13.2005 14:36 lol @ all ps3 lovers mindless bastareds 178 -
Unregistered - haha 11.13.2005 14:41 HA PS3 4 times as powerfull. You guys just get funnier and funnier. PS3 has at most a 20% increase in power over xbox 360 and it comes out a year later in the US. 179 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.13.2005 14:52 Well, on paper it's 3 times more powerfull, but in realtime, we'll have to wait till Jan. to find it out. Btw give decent arguments next time xboxfannies. 180 -
Unregistered - hu 11.13.2005 15:00 If it was three times more powerfull on paper Kenny would be braggin about it. Kenny did say Cell was 2 times as powerful as the 360's CPu but even that is just smoke out his ass. No one ever said 3 or 4 times, you guys just make stuff as you go to justify your wait for the end all console PS3. PS3 is just another came console and xbox360 will be a competitor. All this making up stuff about PS3 being so powerful makes me sick. Make me want one less and less everday. 181 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 15:22 ps3 is 4x powerful if you take IBM's comments....i never said anything i posted various links and again some " cricketing rasgulla from the subcontinent"(since it is our top sport and also the second most watched game after soccer although india/pakistan cricket matches are the most watched in any form of sport) based on the power of the beta kits of ps3 and final SDK of x360 this is what the developers and IBM had to say what UCIDA had to say....."much greater rendering variations...much quicker processing speed." NOTE:akari uchida's interview was conducted in september .he had the final SDK of xbox(releasedin august containing the 3.2ghz xenos as well as ATIr500) and the beta kit of ps3 containing 2.4ghz cell and 6800 in sli mode. what CRYTEK SAID..."ps3 is 3x more powerful if you take the spes into consideration" SQUARE....."easily the most powerful console by far" CLIMAX....."the e3 demos were nothing compared to wht ps3 can achieve" CLIMAX>>>"the ps3 would have been the most powerful supercomputer of 1998" dr.HOFSEE (ibm)......"the cell is 10x more powerful than any duel core processor available in the market as well as xenos...however the margin gets bigger in some applications and is also downgraded marginally in a few other applications" i just feel freddie flintoff would be the first person to buy ps3 in england...what is the english take on this:? i cant just wait to play a cricket game on ps3...although in canada cricket is not considered as a mainstream sport but its popularity is rising very fast. 182 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.13.2005 15:34 oh damn you made on mistake; here is the correction; boolean jon_carmack_is_an_idiot=true; int n=0; int ps3_power=100; int x360_power=100; for(n=0;n<=2;n++) { while(jon_carmack_is_an_idiot} { ps3_power+=100; } jon_carmack_is_an_idiot=true; } System.out.println("ps3 is"+ps3_power+"%"+"more powerful than x360"); 183 -
pshizle360 you are my heroUnregistered - Dizzo 11.13.2005 16:02 oooh come on 5% wow from what i heard is that the xbox360 is sold out in the UK! Another Sony=FONY=SURVEY=trying to hype the system LOL!! I NEED REAL GAMEPLAY AND NOT SOME CGI OR MOVIES PLS!!! I HAD (edited)WHILE WATCHING THE KILLZONE TRAILER AT E3 THATS HOW GOOD THE PFLOP AKA DREAMCAST2.5 IS! OOOH YAA I HEARD THEIR ONLINE SUCKS AND OOH WAIT SO DOES THOSE GRAPHIX!!! THX SONY FOR A CRAPY PRODUCT PS2.5 =( XBOX360>PS2.5 184 -
Unregistered - ok 11.13.2005 16:20 PS3 and Xbox360 will be very competitive with each other. No reason to make up stuff about 3 or 4x or 5x or 45 x more powerful. Justify your purchase with games. Why boast all this power BS. PS3 will be only 5 months newer than xbox360. It will be slightly more powrful but not multiple times more powerful. Xbox is almost 2 years newer than PS2, and is 3 times more pwerful than PS2 and the difference betwen them are not drastic. The gap between PS3 and Xbox360 will be smaller than the gap between PS2 and Xbox. 185 -
to comment 183Havoc 11.13.2005 16:22 No this is not a Sony survey "A recent survey conducted by research firm XTN Data" hey you better be happy xbox 360 got 27 percent votes, the only reason it got so much votes is because the launch is coming up soon. 186 -
to comment 184Havoc 11.13.2005 16:41 Yea I agree, 4x more is crazy. It will probably be like the difference between the ps2 and xbox. You will really see the difference with exclusive titles like mgs4. 187 -
Unregistered - No One Special 11.13.2005 16:49 "Cell processor at 3.2 Ghz vs Three PowerPC symetrical cores at 3.2 Ghz each. No one has ever run anything with 3 PowerPC cores, each capable of handling their own specified task and each running at 3.2 Ghz just as no one knows exactly how CELL will handle games since it was a processor designed for multi-purpose use and not solely for the PS3. Conclusion: Time will tell as we have no data on either setup. NVIDIA GPU vs. ATI GPU Core clock for the PS3 is 550Mhz (if not lowered) Core clock for the X360 is 500Mhz (if not lowered) Advantage NVIDIA: Minor ATI 10MB of embedded Dram NVIDIA none Advantage ATI: Medium to major ATI has 48 parallel shader pipes NVIDIA didn't disclose their pipe for good reason, its been rumored that it only has 24 pixel pipes. Advantage ATI: Major (Until NVIDIA reveals theirs) XDR ram @ 3.2Ghz vs. GDDR3 ram @ 700Mhz This is where n00bs will be like WOW, the PS3 kills with XDR! Reality check: XDR uses a 64-bit bus whereas GDDR3 ram uses a 256-bit bus, where every 8-bit give a factor of 1, 16-bit a factor of 2 and so forth. 64-bit XDR (factor of 8) x 3.2Ghz = 25.6 GB/s bandwidth 256-bit GDDR (factor of 32) x 700Mhz= 22.4 GB/s bandwidth The difference here is very minor, only 3.2GB/s, and when you factor in the 10MB of EDRAM at 256 GB/s bandwidth, things get even more complicated. The other 256MB of ram in the PS3 is equally as fast at 22.4GB/s bandwidth. Advantage: Really too close to call. With the 10MB of embedded DRAM at 256 GB/s bandwidth and PS3 locked at 256MB of video ram while Xbox 360 developers could opt to go with 320MB for video if they felt like it thanks to the unified memory pool, who knows what will happen. Conclusion: It’s really up to the developers and their creations next-gen. The tools, their artistic creativity, ease in programming, experience with the hardware, etc. all will play a major role in which console has the better looking games. Don't be surprised when you can't tell the difference between Xbox 360 and PS3 games As for the teraflops Discussion this is the reality: Here are the facts: Nvidia uses separate Vertex and Pixel Shaders, ATI uses a Unified Shader which does both Vertex and Pixel Shading using the same Shader. When Nvidia calculates performance, it totals both Vertex and Pixel Shaders running at peak efficiency. When ATI calculates performance, it totals the performance of the single unified shader (composed of both Pixel and Vertex shaders) at peak efficiency. So this means that in order to compare ATI's performance to Nvidia's, you would double the rated performance. PS3: CPU=0.25 TFlops GPU=1.80 TFlops for both Pixel and Vertex Shaders XBOX360: CPU=0.18 TFlops GPU=0.88 TFlops for Unified Shaders=1.75 TFlops for combined Pixel and Vertex Shaders So the PS3 has a total theoretical of about 2 TFlops and XBox 360 has about 1.9 TFlops (counting Pixel and Vertex shaders separately, as the PS3 does). After reading this remember that Xbox 360 comes out one year before the ps3, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens this gen." 188 -
Unregistered - no 11.13.2005 17:47 no it wont because we all know xflop will get trounced agian 189 -
Playstation all the wayUnregistered - Boffin 11.13.2005 17:56 Xbox 360 will be "last generation" when ps3 comes out.. everyone wants new things... making the xbox before ps3 is a silly idea. 190 -
fUnregistered - f 11.13.2005 18:07 yes but cell has like 9 spe's not saying they will use them all also the ps3's GPU will own 360's. 191 -
dfgUnregistered - fg 11.13.2005 18:08 and each spe can run at 3.2ghz....so figure that up 192 -
Unregistered - nov 22 11.13.2005 21:24 To be honest I don't care which one has more power, im still the xbox 360. That's just my preference. Besides, I absolutely love the harddrive and what I can do with regarding music. I'm a video game fanatic, a movie fanatic, and a music fanatic, the xbox 360 is a well rounded machine that suites my needs on a personal level so that's the one im going for. 193 -
Unregistered - dont 11.13.2005 22:24 good for you/we dont care 194 -
Unregistered - No One Special 11.13.2005 23:05 All the PS3 specs I used in my above figuring is based off of the info Sony released. Here are some fun facts to chew on. The PS2 had 4 times more FLOPs performance compared to the XBox... (6.2GFLOPs > 1.4GFLOPs)This also sheads light on how important flops are to gaming. *The PS2 had 2.5 times more fillrate than the XBox (2.4GPix/sec > .93GPix/sec) *The PS2 had 1.3 times more texture fill rate than the XBox (1.2GTex/sec > .93GTex/sec) *The XBox had an advantage in performance when more than 2 texture layers are involved *The XBox had an advantage in memory bandwidth (6.4GB/sec > 3.2GB/sec), BUT the PS2 had 4MB of eDRAM which provided it with 48GB/sec memory bandwidth for video. Now... which system ended up being more powerful for gaming? The PS2 had the XBox beat in a lot of metrics... yet the XBox proved itself to be more powerful for gaming. Why? Because the XBox was more efficient, same goes for the GameCube. Heck... the PS2 had 20 times the specifications that the Dreamcast had, yet it only proven barely more capable than the Dreamcast. Don't underestimate the importance of efficieny and software. Anyway... if all things were equal and both systems were theoretically equal in capacity then it comes down to which system is more efficient. Even if both machines was roughly equal in efficiency then it would then come down to which machine has the better software tools and is easier to work with. 195 -
ok #194, we get it... youre a fanboy...Unregistered - poopmouth 11.13.2005 23:48 now can you stop posting pointless and extemely baised crap....nobody cares....damn. 196 -
Unregistered - 195 11.14.2005 00:14 What would you call yorself? lame 197 -
195Unregistered - kolopy 11.14.2005 01:03 no that is not biased it is 100% true. have a look at this non-beleiver. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a100/Seepy/gflop.gif 198 -
to comment 197Havoc 11.14.2005 02:29 Sorry kolopy but xbox performs at 80 gflops and ps2 6.2 199 -
Unregistered - kolopy 11.14.2005 03:21 no havoc it didnt that chart is true. 200 -
@havocUnregistered - kolopy 11.14.2005 03:39 second paragraph, it will confirm how many gflops xbox has, i thought you were one of the only sensible sony fans on here i thought wrong eh! http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050516/104678/ see people flops mean sh1t when it comes to gfx, hola! 201 -
Unregistered - guy 11.14.2005 07:34 Xbox flops equel 1.466 gflops. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1815596,00.asp 202 -
Unregistered - guy 11.14.2005 07:37 IF flops are so important than the x360 has 80 times more flops than the xbox in the cpu alone, and look what the xbox acheived. 203 -
@ guyUnregistered - kolopy 11.14.2005 09:51 that's the point flops mean nothing xbox had 1.4 ps2 had 6.2 and xbox was the clear winner in the gfx department, it's all down to how the machines communicate with cpu/gpu all that stuff, and guess what 360 is the more tuned system. 204 -
more tuned?Unregistered - poopmouth 11.14.2005 10:11 Hmmm...last I heard the PS3 wasnt even finalized yet??? But I guess youve proved that you REALLY know what youre talking about with all your prior posts, so I guess Ill take your word for it. (just a tad of sarcasm) 205 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.14.2005 11:24 Sorry 180, you were right, it isn't 3 times more powerfull. IBM said 4 times lol and i'm not buying sony because it's more powerfull. It has the best games and will be imo again the best console of the 3. Now go to uncle Bill when he hands out his xbox's. 206 -
204Unregistered - kolopy 11.14.2005 11:30 more finely tuned than PS3, imagine if you will 360 is a subaru impreza tuned to death and the PS3 is a chevy v8, they both have the same power but not the same setup, 360 goes for the tuner setup while PS3 opts for the beefy side of things, now put those two on a track together and see who crosses the line first. answer = subaru wins chevy just makes a loud noise. 207 -
To #187 You have some big errorsUnregistered - MS SUX 11.14.2005 12:02 Take a look at these: 1-Branching Orders: Is The Cell General Purpose? There has been a lot of debate about how the Cell will perform on general purpose code with many saying it will not do well as it is a “specialised processor”. This is not correct, the Cell was designed as a general purpose processor, but optimised for high compute tasks. The PPE is a conventional processor and will act like one. The big difference will be in the SPEs as they were designed to accelerate specific types of code and will be notably better in some areas than others, however even the SPEs are general purpose. The Cell has in essence traded running everything at moderate speed for the ability to run certain types of code at high speed.The PPE is a normal general purpose core and should have no problems on most code. That said PPE has a simplified architecture compared to other desktop processors and this seems to be taken in some quarters as a reason for not just low performance but very low performance on general purpose code. Few care to explain why this is or even what this “general purpose” code is. Some do make vague references to the lack of Out-Of-Order hardware or the limited branch prediction hardware. While I am of the opinion that the relative simplicity may be a disadvantage in some areas I doubt it’s going to make that much of a difference as what the PPE may lose in Instructions Per Cycle (IPC) it will make up for with a higher clock speed. However the PPE does not exist in isolation, the heavy lifting work will be handed off to the SPEs. Even if there is a performance difference removing the heavy duty work will make a bigger difference than any loss due to simplification.As for the SPEs, not everything can be vectorised but that doesn’t mean SPEs suddenly become useless. Just because you can issue 4 instructions per bundle doesn’t mean you have to. There’s no reason why you can’t issue an instruction which performs one calculation and three nothings. In this case the SPE will in effect become a dual issue, in-order RISC. The SPEs should be quite capable of acting as general purpose CPUs even on non-vectorisable code. How well they will perform will largely be down to the programmer, compiler and memory usage pattern, if the memory usage is predictable they should do well, if not they will do badly. They will be somewhat inefficient running some types of general purpose code but there are plenty of small intensive loops in general purpose applications and much processing is concentrated in them.It is in these areas where the SPEs will be fast and efficient. (source:Cell Architecture Explained Version 2 Part 4: Revenge of the RISC) 2-The ATI GPU pipelines are unified not dedicated. Unified pipes have less performance (because they are general) so their number must be more. Nvidia GPU at worst case scenario will have 24 pixel pipes + 8 vertex pipes=32 dedicated pipes (specialized for pixel or vertex) which won't be weaker than 48 ATI unified pipes and there is a possibility that RSX has more pipes. 3-The GDDR3 RAM which is going to be used in PS3 and X360 are 128 bit not 256 bit. 4-Both of Cell and RSX have access to all of 512 MB system memory. 208 -
#207Mathoss 11.14.2005 12:07 Finally someone who knows what he is talking about. Thanks for bringing up the level to an intelligent level. 209 -
SquaresoftUnregistered - Brent 11.14.2005 12:55 Where Squaresoft goes, I go. PS3 Wins. 210 -
TO COMMENT 203Havoc 11.14.2005 12:57 No thats just the cpu alone. Xbox gpu is rated at 80 Gflops. The total gflops is much higher than the ps2's 211 -
209Unregistered - John 11.14.2005 13:07 209 and I must think alike. Square and the Final Fantasies are the best games made. Both systems will have great games, but I think Sony will have more of the titles people enjoy. Good games = what people want. 212 -
CoolOtar 11.14.2005 13:42 I'm learning so much from all of these comments about specs and the internal workings of each console. God only knows if any of it is true, but at least I will be able to throw some bullsh** around from time to time. And sound intelligent to. Cool. 213 -
Fatal Inertia is not gameplay footage....Unregistered - Akakage 11.14.2005 13:55 Ugh..how can you claim to see actual gameplay footage and then show me a cut-scene for Fatal Inertia. Dude that was so a render. 1.) Do you honestly think that those dynamic camera angles where from gameplay footage? Honestly man if you can't tell the difference from cut-scenes and gameplay then you really don't need to be talking. Fatal Inertia will look great I'm sure..but that was just a video..just like metal gear solid 4 at TGS. Nobody has seen gameplay from ps3 yet. There are claims that the Armored core 4 videos on ign are suppose to be gameplay footage for 360 and ps3. I don't believe it is looks like a video to me. If it "is" actual gameplay then you would be able to see from the 2 videos that ps3 and x360 are very similiar almost identical in graphics. The ps3 video actually had more action though..lolz. 214 -
#213Otar 11.14.2005 14:22 There may be some game play footage of PS3 on gametrailers.com. Try these movies. Heavenly Sword (A possible small amount of game play footage) War Hawk (A possible small amount of game play footage) Fifth Phantom Saga (Fair amount of possible game play footage) You will spot what might be the game play footage. It is no way near as good graphically as the movie sections. Any one getting a PS3 should check these movies out. And I’m getting a 360 and a PS3. And I would still be getting a PS3 even if the 360 was more powerful because I love games and that’s what it all about. 215 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.14.2005 14:56 Don't forget I-8 and mgs4 :) have them all on my pc. 216 -
Havoc 11.14.2005 15:42 There is only one game that shows actual gameplay footage on the ps3, but it's an early build of the game. They haven't added any partical effects, coloring, or any real detail to the game. I know I'm not the only one that knows about this gameplay footage considering it's not hard to find. I will leave it up to y'all to find the game. 217 -
Killing DayDark Samurai 11.14.2005 16:05 What about Killing Day? If it's the real game.. WOW! It blow F.E.A.R out of water. 218 -
ps3 vs x360Unregistered - Akakage 11.14.2005 16:52 I'm still not understanding fanboy fascination with videos. Real-time is NOT always the same as gameplay. MGS4 looks identical in quality to the ATI "assassin" real-time tech demo on X360 at E3. A real-time trailer is still only a movie. There is no game..only that movie. There are alot of things running in the background of a game, the AI, physics engines, game engine...etc. In that MGS video there was none of that. It was a pre-scripted MOVIE. Thats right not a game, but a movie. Killzone was and I quote "an artistic representation of the game we(Guerilla Games) are trying to make". MGS4 was a real-time render...and while it was very impressive that PS3 is capable of rendering images like that in real-time that still doesn't show how it will run actual game applications. I don't doubt that it will look close to the real-time video but I refuse to "buy-in" to every claim they have made without actual gameplay to back it up. Most of the games on X360 currently are ports with few actual 360 xclusive games. Ports almost never take full advantage of system capabilities and neither do first-gen games. The current X360 games merely scratch the surface of what its capable of as I am sure first-gen ps3 games wil do also. As I repeatedly say over and over again on this forum, BOTH systems will have amazing graphics and games. Which ever system has the best quality and quantity of games will be the "winner". 219 -
ps3 in-game footageUnregistered - Akakage 11.14.2005 16:54 none of those videos you mention have actual ps3 gameplay footage just yet. Including heavenly sword which looks like it could be a great title if the game is anything like the video. 220 -
218Dark Samurai 11.14.2005 17:05 Uhhhh....,you are right but as i remember ps2 had the best games library. Up until now games have been the primary strong point of the Playstation brand while their hardware was the weakest. Now, you can add hardware to their strong points too. PS3 will be number one definitely. 221 -
no it's not killing day or heavenly swordHavoc 11.14.2005 17:08 Here is a clue to find where you can find real game play footage on the ps3 I lo.v eanI.mal,s .dogs, Or c.atS ite I ev.en have a p I.G. No .COws. M LOOK CLOSELY AT CAPITAL WORDS. Here is a clue to what game it is. Where I work I don't make a Killing, because I hate the Dark, it represents the Devil. I think I have one Formula to Getaway from this job. And no it doesn't involve me bringing my Heavenly Sword to work. It involves me bringing a mobile phone and a nice suit to work, yea thats it. If I do come to work with a sword than my suit should have armor right? If y'all can't find the game than thats too bad. 222 -
formula 1? getaway3?Dark Samurai 11.14.2005 17:16 i have seen the formula 1 demo. i think parts of it are real gameplay. 223 -
to comment 218Havoc 11.14.2005 17:19 I know you heard this many time but that is how MGS4 will look, much like the cinamatics in all mgs games, it's the same as the game engine. People had a hard time believing that mgs2 was real. http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/japanese/mgs4_04.html http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/news.html?sid=6133820 "This trailer isn't a CG or something that we've rendered on a high-spec PC," said Kojima "This is the real thing on a PlayStation 3 development kit." 224 -
to comment 222Havoc 11.14.2005 17:20 lol you got to keep looking. 225 -
Unregistered - gagaga 11.14.2005 18:10 Worrying about the specs of a gameconsole is a horrible way to waist you time. I mean see games you like and buy the system they are on who cares which console it is. 226 -
PAUL CERULA 11.14.2005 22:29 Considering both systems are undoubtably very close in performance don't buy the ps3 just because it barely performs better. Buy the console with what games you want, also if you want online. 227 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.14.2005 23:42 hey u bastards are u out of ur mind microsft themselves said that x360 can do 1 tf..although ibm says that it can only do 500gflops EVEN AT e3 u xbastards MS themselves said that X360 could do only i tf proof; http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15015-1985-4-4-x BASTARDS>>>..x360 can do 1.9 tf.....it cant even do 1 tf according to IBM 228 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.15.2005 00:05 again i am posting the real specs xdr ram is 5x faster than gddr3...works by a pointer to pointer ratio....ps3 has 256 mb xdr and 256mb gddr3....garbage sux has 512 mb of gddr3 ps3 has claimed that it can do 2.18 tf of floating point calculations...backed also by IBM Ms has said that its inferior system can do 1 tf of floating point calculations..but IBM said just the opposite...IBM has said that each of its power pc based xenos can only do 12.8gflops whereas the 218gflops figure has been reinstated by IBM several times ...check IBM's article on cell http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/r.arch.innovation.html http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/people/a/ashwini/E3%202005%20Cell%20Blade%20reports/All_About_Cell_Cool_Chips_Final.pdf aha i love the above article from dr watson who said that each xenos is approximately 1/10 as powerful as CELL....gr8 again RSX has a texel filtering rate of 13.2 b/s atir500 has only 8.0 b/s ofcourse u cant even compare blue-ray with dvd-rom ps3 is easily 3-5x more powerful than xbox360 although it is 6x more powerful if u just take the cpu performance into consideration....no developers except john CARMACK even dared to say that ps3 was just a bit more powerful compared to x360 posting again***** based on the power of the beta kits of ps3 and final SDK of x360 this is what the developers and IBM had to say what UCIDA had to say....."much greater rendering variations...much quicker processing speed." NOTE:akari uchida's interview was conducted in september .he had the final SDK of xbox(releasedin august containing the 3.2ghz xenos as well as ATIr500) and the beta kit of ps3 containing 2.4ghz cell and 6800 in sli mode. what CRYTEK SAID..."ps3 is 3x more powerful if you take the spes into consideration" SQUARE....."easily the most powerful console by far" CLIMAX....."the e3 demos were nothing compared to wht ps3 can achieve" CLIMAX>>>"the ps3 would have been the most powerful supercomputer of 1998" dr.HOFSEE (ibm)......"the cell is 10x more powerful than any duel core processor available in the market as well as xenos...however the margin gets bigger in some applications and is also downgraded marginally in a few other applications" now xbox 360 fans go to team xbox.com...i mean they are short of fanboys there...why come here and post all rubbish including "x360 can do 1.9tf...u f***bastard Ms themselves said that its garbage can do 1 tf..and ofcourse no to forget IBM(manufacturers said that it can only do roghly 400gf of calculations) BY THE WAY GO TO BESTBUY AR ANY OTHER STORE ...PEOPLE ARE GETTING DISAPPOINTED AFTER SEEING THE GARBAGE DEMOS OF X360....LOL THIS IS SURELY MS LAST CONSOLE..I GUESS THERE IS NO ONE TO STOP SONY AND IBM FROM REGAINING THE SEMI CONDUCTOR WORLD WITH THE CELL 229 -
Unregistered - WASIM 11.15.2005 00:12 HEY DID YOU CHECK THE GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE OF GEARS OF WAR....NO BIG DEAL...ABSOLUTELY THIS GEN...DID YOU SEE PGR3...YEA I SAW IT AND THE PEOPLE OF FUTURESHOP.CA...AND THEY SAID JUST ONE THING"""OH WHAT A SHOCKER""".... U CLEARLY HEARD FROM UCHIDA WHO (HAVING A BETA KIT OF PS3 WITH 2.4GHZ CELL AND 6800 IN SLI MODE AND THE FINAL SDK OF X360 WITH 3.2GHZ XENOS(AT 12.8 GFLOPS LOL) AND ATIR500) "PS3 HAS A MUCH QUICKER PROCESSING SPEED AND A MUCH WIDER RENDERING VARIATION" CRYTEK(MAKERS OF FAR CRY)---WHEN YOU TAKE THE 8 SPES INTO CONSIDERATION..PS3 BECOMES 3X MORE POWERFUL THAN X360....EACH XENOS HAS THE SAME ARCHITECTURE AS NORMAL PC DUEL CORE PROCESSOR AND CANT HANDLE 2 FULL THREADS(1.5 ACCORDING TO THEM)....EACH PPE(PS3) HAS BETTER MULTITHREADING CAPABILITIES COMPARED TO ANY DUEL CORE PROCESSOR OR XENOS AND CAN HANDLE 2 FULL THREADS 230 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.15.2005 00:31 by the way ps3 has 512kb of cache + 256 kb for each spe...so the total is 2.5mb+ vs 1mb for garbage box 360 xdr ram works much faster and better than gddr3 and it works with a pointe rto pointer ratio and doesnot need buswidth gddr3 is 1/5x less faster than gddr3 some info http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/archive/topic/15902-1.html http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/storage/toshiba-first-to-produce-speedy-xdr-ram-037617.php do u even know what xdr stands for http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000053044312/ http://www.devhardware.com/index2.php?option=content&task=view&id=1494&pop=1&page=0&hide_js=1 ...this gives an idea why it needs so less bandwidth "The product formerly known as Yellowstone is now called XDR RAM - that's eXtreme Data Rate. It clocks in at a 3.2GHz data rate in its current implementation, making it around 8 times faster than DDR2. XDR can be used both for system memory and for graphics memory, and Rambus expects XDR to scale to 8GHz in 2006, making it 5 times faster than the available GDDR3. " this info comes from the inquirer.net http://www.channelweb.co.uk/vnunet/news/2126577/samsung-claims-fastest-ever-multimedia-ram see it is samsung who are the makers of the fastest gddr3 at only 2.0g/s compared to xdr at 8g/s commending XDR finally have you been wondering what is ps3's response to eDRAM although x360 has half the system bandwidth of ps3 well the response is extremely fast XDR DRAM or YDRAM according to kuturagi http://www.rambus.com/products/xdr/dram.aspx ...this is what xdr dram is http://www.rambus.com/products/xdr/index.aspx ..et viola regarde la...ca cest plus superb..now do you get an idea what xdr is...it needs extremely small buswidth to work although it has 5x bandwidth compared to gddr3 again to give you an idea abohttp://www.rambus.com/products/xdr/interface.aspxut how xdr works FINALLY HOW THE POINTER TO POINTER TECHNOLOGY WORKS http://www.rambus.com/products/xdr/innovations/dpp.aspx 231 -
CrazyUnregistered - AT WILL 11.15.2005 01:14 I think the funniest thing about reading these threads is how much a fanboy backs up a system like they are the ones making money off of it. I don't think Xbox 360 will win the war this go around, but I do think that they are going to come a lot closer than they are right now. Also, I've seen a lot of post about how the PS3 is so much stronger and better. Still, I don't know how anyone knows this since there are NO IN GAME shots. Don't try and say MGS4 was because all that stuff is movie, not CG, but doesn't show me what the game is really going to be like. Next, why is the power such a big thing, the PS2 looks like ass and PS fans love the hell out of it. I think that PS fans are just holding on to some reason why to hate xbox. I like them both, but until I see some real game play, I will reserve my judgement on who is better, not everything is on paper (specs). Oh, I've been wanting to ask this question and hopefully someone can give a real answer; please no fanboy stuff. If the PS3 is so advanced, and MGS4 was real time, then why are there no playable demos, real time videos, or anything? Hell, why don't we know what the controller is going to be? All Sony has going for them is basically their name. Just hype and a name, nothing else. Lastly, to set the record straight, both systems are close in power. We have heard this from a lot of developers so just stop all the crazy talk. Remeber fanboys for either system, YOU ARE NOT GETTING PAID FOR THIS!!! Everyone is going to be giving their money to someone else, and instead of giving it because of a name, how about buying the one that is best for you. For example: PS3 - BluRay, MGS4, Killzone. Xbox360: Halo, Jade Empire, Xbox live. 232 -
...Unregistered - Incorrect 11.15.2005 06:26 Incorrect, the PS3 is more powerful that dreamcast 360. B...Bu...dont argue, thats fact.No buts. 233 -
BlackDark Samurai 11.15.2005 08:13 Have you the screenshots of the game "Black"? awesome! It's even better than some X360 launch titles. This game is scheduled for Q1 2006 for PS2. 234 -
my mistakeDark Samurai 11.15.2005 08:25 Also on Xbox! :) 235 -
I want both consolesUnregistered - Q 11.15.2005 08:44 Congratulations xbo....no random people/strangers you've just made the majority of the fans on this site lose interest in the xbox 360, I don't know any of you X zealots but each one of your comments is making me lose interest too. Even if the ps3 wasn't powerful I would still buy it, I like the games not the power, the 360 is good and all but none of you are giving strong arguments about the games for the system and reading your repeated comments is boring. Sony fans you should be thanking Nintendo I watched this program called Icons on G4 TV and Ken Kutaragi wanted to make a console for Sony but The president for Sony at first though it was a bad idea to make their own console. So Kutaragi turned to Nintendo and wanted to intergrate hardware in a early Nintendo console but Nintendo betrayed KK and turned to another company for hardware. This made the president for Sony furious because they wanted to set up a deal with Nintendo, he told KK to go ahead with his idea to make an console for Sony with the psx which was a prototype and later they made the ps1. All the people in the Gaming industry agree that if Sony didn't bring hardware to consoles in the first place their wouldn't be nada and everyone would still be playing bit game graphics for consoles. I don't care if you X zealots hate Sony, if they didn't bring Hardware to the consoles they're wouldn't be no console war or competition, Bill Gate wouldn't have taken an interest in the video game industry. Nintendo isn't a friendly company they're cut throat like everyone else, the reason why Rare stopped making the Donkey Kong Country games is because of Miyamoto he said something in a meeting with the Rare company president. You guys don't have to believe me I think it's better to believe logic over rumours and the words of analyst who don't know nothing about the game business, where are the $500 dollar ps2's and PsP's that they said would come out ???? 236 -
Unregistered - Q 11.15.2005 08:52 By the way I think both consoles will do great and I want them both but Nintendo hasn't shown any games for the Rev, and they said to the press that they'll have games for adults this time. I have nothing against any of you guys but I want both consoles for the games, not because of the power or the better tools or dev kits, I want the games to relax and have fun. 237 -
Unregistered - no argue 11.15.2005 10:04 I dont argue at all. PS3 does have more raw power. But it will not be a drastic difference. Probly what the PS2 and xbox are know.Aint stoping me from buying a 360 though. PS3 is always a posibility for me to get later but I must see it in running real games before i can judge it. You guys keep argueing about the hardware when you dont know even what you talking about. I dont care which system has more tityflops. I know xbox360 has great a Oline service. 238 -
Unregistered - jarrett 11.15.2005 11:05 ps2 has beaten xbox by a selling margin of 4.5:1...93 million vs 23 million...out of that 93 million 5 million bought xbox only because it had a 733 mhz celeron processor,came witha hdd...whereas ps2 had a 333mhz processor...so the survey on this gen revealed that 50 million of those consumers would stick to ps3 no matter what..out of the remaining 43 million 23 million people would wait until the price drops...and the remaining 23 million would buy console acccording that has the best games...as for x360 it has a die hard fanbase of 5 million ..not more than tht with a console that is 1/5 as powerful as ps3 surely the MS fanbase would definitely be degraded to something around 10 million...geez u are comparing conventional pc accessories and outdated dvd rom with CELL,RSX(double the filrate ,more than twice the texture bandwidth of atir500,bd-rom) 239 -
Unregistered - janine 11.15.2005 11:11 ofcourse the ps3 is way more advanced and yes there were two gameplay footages...one of fatal inertia ,the other of warhawk...they were both seen and applauded by the audience at TGS ps3 is not just killing other consoles it would kill the pc market too...it can support 36 media streams...OMG..can full 2160p that is non-existent...whereas x360 can do 1080i not p by the way...although its standard is 720p we would be seeing more realtime playable demos in no time..since IBM releases the C++/c portable codes for cell and sony their final SDK on december 3...so developers like kojima,square,koei,guerilla would come up with playable demos in no time 240 -
Unregistered - larry 11.15.2005 11:23 and look u garbage box fanboys...CELL is 10x more powerful than xenos...is a statement made by IBM not sony...it is IBM who said that each cell could do 218gflops and 26gflops for double precision applications...this is not all..recently IBM released article that said they were planning to come up with a 20 spe cell that would even increase the double precision figure to 1 tf.so this gives you an idea about how powerful cell is atir520 beats atir500(x360) in all applications at higher resolutions...although they are based on diffrent technology....atir520 512mb card is outgunned by g70(256 mb) in most applications and games...now gefore is planning to release the 512mb version which would bash ATI even more....now g70 is based on 110nm process whereas RSX is based on a 90nm process...so you can see the difference..even a 120mhz difference(g70 at 430 mhz..whereas rsx runs at 550mhz) could see a huge gap(90 nm process) in performance .ATI stands no chance with either r500 or r520...what made you think that it would even come close to RSX 241 -
PS3 all the wayDark Samurai 11.15.2005 11:28 I was interested in X360 a while ago, but now with these crappy launch titles...no,not anymore. I'll wait for PS3. 242 -
Unregistered - PERFORMANCE 11.15.2005 11:38 DEVELOPERS STILL SAY PERFORMANCE IS MARGINALLY DIFFERENT SO STOP CRUNCHING NUMBERS, THEIR THE EXPERTS NOT YOU IN YOUR BASEMENT. 243 -
Sigh...Unregistered - ! 11.15.2005 11:55 And 242, how do you know that ? Who told you that ? ITS PLAIN FACT THAT PS3 IS FAR MORE POWERFUL THAN X360. 244 -
Nvidia released GF 7800 GTX 512 MB with supercharged clockspeedsDark Samurai 11.15.2005 12:00 ...Which is 30% stronger than 7800 GTX 256 MB and ATI X1800 XT is finished off and pinned down by it even before release. It is said that RSX will be atleast equal to this card. PS3 will defeat 360 in graphics department either. 245 -
Unregistered - PS3 NOT 11.15.2005 12:47 Source: EDC Magazine Sony's much talked about Playstation 3, rumored to be hitting the streets in 2005 will not be powered by the equally talked about IBM/Toshiba/Sony "Cell Chip". IBM have told Electronics Design Change Magazine that the Cell Chip may not be be available until 2007... Plunging PS3 into what we at X365 call a "big ole mess" 246 -
PS2.5 nad Dreamcast 360 InfoOtar 11.15.2005 14:48 Please can some one give me some more info on the PS2.5 and the Dreamcast360? I have looked all over the Internet and can’t find any info about the 2 consoles. Are Sony and MS aware of these new consoles? 247 -
Unregistered - wasim 11.15.2005 20:18 i clearly posted links...and yea except carmack developers already said that ps3 was 3x mor epowerful even with the beta kits.....hear from crytek again... if you take the spes into consideration ps3 becomes 3x more powerful than x360....and ms themselves had said that x360 could do 1 tf whereas IBm as well as sony said that ps3 could do 2 TF...so even if you take MS own words into consideration...ps3 is twice as powerful(3-5x in reality by the way) 248 -
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lol very funnyUnregistered - wiggins 11.16.2005 11:57 And where the hell did u get this bull from 251 -
Unregistered - wotter 11.16.2005 12:47 Lol at 248: ps3 is most popular but xbox is more popular euh go to school and post something usefull 252 -
/\Unregistered - blah 11.16.2005 14:11 #249 i guess you are close to sony. they call you and tell you these kind of things. and they didnt fire a production team you moron. you must not be able to comprehend all that well. sony cut jobs. not a production team. they wouldnt fire a pruduction team for that. and i guess sony told you that the hardware was overheating to0.. beings that cell was created to work efficently, not to overheat. if anything overheated it was the xbox180 that shut off while i was playin a demo at EB. 253 -
Unregistered - BS3 SUCKS 11.16.2005 15:17 249 says hahahahahahaha. ill look for that article again 254 -
in response to 250 and upUnregistered - BS3 SUCKS 11.16.2005 15:30 249 is back and with the NEWS http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000340065758/#comments and i quote " The PS3 is delayed until 2007, the decision for this came about through the failure of the initial hardware the PS3 Development Team created. Apparently, 300 PS3 Units were created and sent to various software developers to begin creating games for the new system. However, design flaws in the PS3 (Specifically, not enough coolant) caused the systems to overheat and meltdown after moderate use by the developers. According to my DM (District Manager), Sony went and fired the entirety of the PS3 Development Team for this flaw. In short, from what I’ve heard, if Sony gained anything from this experience, it’s minor technical knowledge on what the PS3 can handle, but for the most part they were sent to square one. If the above statements are true, could such a monumental setback be enough to postpone the PS3’s launch date by over a year? And if so, how would the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Revolution benefit from their newfound head start? " BS3 SUCKS thank you 255 -
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to 251Unregistered - BS3 SUCKS 11.16.2005 15:35 i finished school in computer programming and iam currently at work right now 258 -
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Unregistered - BS3 SUCKS 11.16.2005 15:58 do you think sony would wants to confirme something like that. it would break all your BS3 hearts. poor you. and tell me were it says it cant last more then 40 hours. im sorry your BS3 is coming in 2 years. maybe FONY should wait for the next gen console in 2010. it does not seem like they know what there doing. hahahahahaha 260 -
sighUnregistered - . 11.17.2005 12:51 The PS3 has a scheduled launch for Spring 2006.Fact. Youre xflop will be equivilent to a mid-range PC by the time PS3 comes out. I agree with the other poster."Get out of here, nobody likes you." Also, youre not proving anything. Infact, youve just proved that oure just one person posting the same crap comments. One more thing...Fony and BS3 are crap cusses, make up better versions. 261 -
dUnregistered - d 11.17.2005 14:00 i guess joystiq is sony now..they have changed their name w/o anyone knowing. that 360 must feel good up ur ass 262 -
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<>Unregistered - <> 11.18.2005 13:22 y do you hate the ps3 so much? beings that nothing has been show offically yet. i guess its b/c 360 has been shown and it sucks. lol you cant go in 360 forums and talk about how good it is so you come in here and hate on the ps3. what a life you have. 264 -
SHOW ME SOMETHING!!Unregistered - someone 11.21.2005 19:04 PS3 is supposidly coming out in spring right? Then where is the gameplay? (actual gameplay not "real-time" videos). Microsoft let people play the 360's games 6 months before release. Why not Sony? I WANT MY PS3 NOW SONY!!!!!! STOP KEEPING IT FROM ME!!!!! 265 -
XCOX 3*******60ps3rulezzz 11.24.2005 03:03 XCOX fans, go and suckle on your precious XCOX 3*******60, while we PS3 fans stand by you, spitting on your XCOXes and suckin peripherals. 266 -
Unregistered - Orang Utan 12.01.2005 02:49 We asians like Japanese brands.5% of my country owns an Xbox,95% owns a Playstation 1 and/or 2, I never met a person that owns a Nintendo. 267 -
xboxUnregistered - spoon 12.16.2005 14:12 Microsoft is a big company. Maybe the biggest in the world. which means they can muck up on the 360 and make their 4th gen console better, as they can withstand operating losses through their dominance in other areas of the computer software market, eg Windows, Office, etc. Sony don't have the capacity to fund this loss so they will want to make their PS3 better than X360 many times over and this is probably why theyv 'delayed' the launch, although this might be the bbc stumbling again. i havent got a ps2 or an xbox so im fairly neutral but i think ps3 will win it this time round even though it comes out 5 months to 2 years later than the 360. However just consider this -- ps2 outsold xbox on xbox's launch date so what does that say to prospective consumers as the vast bulk of the potential gamers are ordinary families wanting a new gadget; not hardcore gamers? But then again the significance of X360's launch before Xmas and potential price crash in Jan 2006 might give a sharp edge to Microsofts campaign. PS. sorry for the essay -- i'm British 268 -
ps3 set to be goodUnregistered - ayen brunei 01.07.2006 02:49 ps3 is much better,they develop the game seriousl,a lot of things going on on ps3.some of the features are not on xbox 360 that just shows how good the ps3 will be hahahahaha Add Comment |
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