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04 Nov 2005 09:36 | Dusty | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
The Official Playstation Magazine reported that Sony has decided not to use a central online gaming service like Xbox Live for the PS3. Instead the PS3 online service will be similar to what we have today on the PS2.
This will come as bad news for many who had hoped for a unified system similar to Microsoft’s Xbox Live, which are one of the main selling points for the new Xbox 360. This means that gamers still have to keep track of multiple online accounts, and that it will be up to each and every publisher to decide what kind of online features their games will have. Though this gives the publisher more freedom, and could be an advantage for some games, many of us have been hoping for a unified online service for the PS3 and it can be somewhat hard to understand Sony’s decision, especially after Nintendo finally also have shown interest for online gaming. However, how this strategy will work out for Sony will first be known when the console is out, and it could prove to be less of a problem than many of us think. Add Comment  1 -
That is a damn shame...Unregistered - bluesxman23 11.04.2005 09:43 Nothing was worse than trying to have a good online game then trying to play something on the PS2...hope Sony wises up and rethinks their strategy... 2 -
why notUnregistered - burgniel 11.04.2005 09:46 This just means we can have free online games again instead of a monthly subscription. I personally canceled my live service as I liked the PS2 online games better. This also allows for better servers being used when companys upgrade for thier games. I for one was not looking forward to a monthly subscription to play the few games I do online. Don't forget that only 10% of the people that have XBOXs have xbox live accounts. I think this leaves sony in a good position that they can always impliment the online community at any time through a download or even a better more transparent system through the harddrive with Linux installed. 3 -
Same hereScythe 11.04.2005 10:22 I didn't want to spend more money just to play a game twice a month for a monthly fee, I rather save that money for new games. This is the best way to do online gaming, I'm already paying for DSL why pay more to use it on a few games. 4 -
uh oh!Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 10:24 PS3 live to rival XBOX live? dont think so, looks like MS has created such a good online service that SONY cant compete, i didnt think MS would rape SONY this early on in the war. one more reason to buy X360, superior online gaming.... hell yeah!! 5 -
Unregistered - Indica 11.04.2005 10:25 first of all i cant stand ps2 online games there is too much lag and i use cable so its not that... live is flawless... i had my xbox when it first come out and my live was free even when they started charging... i myself wouldnt mind playing flawless games online for a small fee plus they have the silver accounts now too.... that 10% is bull crap i know alot of people who have live just not highspeed and use others connections and vise versa.... you can make the best of this news all you want by saying its free and it wont lag but i for a fact know if they dont improve nothing between the ps2 and ps3 online then noting will change it will still suck 6 -
IndicaSativa420Unregistered - IndicaSativa420 11.04.2005 10:25 first of all i cant stand ps2 online games there is too much lag and i use cable so its not that... live is flawless... i had my xbox when it first come out and my live was free even when they started charging... i myself wouldnt mind playing flawless games online for a small fee plus they have the silver accounts now too.... that 10% is bull crap i know alot of people who have live just not highspeed and use others connections and vise versa.... you can make the best of this news all you want by saying its free and it wont lag but i for a fact know if they dont improve nothing between the ps2 and ps3 online then noting will change it will still suck 7 -
IndicaSativa420 Unregistered - IndicaSativa420 11.04.2005 10:29 #3 every 360 game is live so its not just 1 game every 2 months or anything like that i dont like ai gameplay really anymore 8 -
PAUL CERULA 11.04.2005 10:34 OHHH, MY GOSH, THIS IS INSANE. I did not see this one coming for the ps3. I can't believe they would let us know this now before the xbox 360 rush. I quess sony will have to use their 7 controllers to play games Sony -- "It's not good to play together" 9 -
Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 10:36 anyone want to put bets on what SONY will drop next? two HDMI ports into one maybe, the CELL dropping to 2.4ghz, or the whole sh1tty console? 10 -
Unregistered - burgniel 11.04.2005 10:40 Spartan... it does not say "no online for Sony" it says something more like "Sony will not advertise and sell you stuff all the time online" I play socom online with sony and I have played online halo2 with my xbox live. I actually prefer the socom interface. Either way, if you dont like xbox live this is no big deal. If you do like xbox live this will kill the purchase of the PS3 for you. 11 -
#10 is an idiotUnregistered - Jonga 11.04.2005 10:53 Microsft does not advertise anything on xbox live. Do you even have live or are you just a fanboy try to put down live. They don't even try to sell you anything. There's some extra content that you have to pay for, but most of it is free. 12 -
Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 10:53 socom with dial up and cheaters or many different top titles all with broadband no cheaters and organized matches for £3 a month, i know sony players are cheap bastards but come on. 13 -
- IndicaSativa420 - SpartanUnregistered - Yeh 11.04.2005 11:01 Yeh... this is dumb i play consoles with a bunch of friends and family at home... PC is where online rules + not so many monthly fees...i just think its ridicious to sit on ur a$ and play people u dont know for hours (halo junkys) the net has little to do with games except replay value to that person which is straight up retarded... (Guild Wars, Half-Life2(dm), Counter-Strike, Doom, Quake, etc...) 14 -
Anyone Miss This ?Unregistered - anyone 11.04.2005 11:03 Ultrafat giga net port on ps3? Where's this amazing Xbox360's port? Monthly fees are absolutly stupid either way you look at it... 60$ for a game + more $ to just use it online..... G3y 15 -
I know this is like super old but geezNewb 11.04.2005 11:07 Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz 1 VMX vector unit per core 512KB L2 cache 7 x SPE @3.2GHz 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS 16 -
Ha HaUnregistered - Ronker Boy 11.04.2005 11:08 O dear, I feel for you...while I am playing on xbox live.....Roll over Fony and admit you have no fukin idea about live gaming. Go Billy Go.......yee haw.... MS 1 v Sony 0 17 -
#8xxxxxx 11.04.2005 11:11 Don't listen to #8. He is just a forum pu$y who is trying ruin my name. Dont listen to anything that wouldn't sound like me. 18 -
Hey SpartanFaggot 11.04.2005 11:12 I thought you weren't going to steal his name anymore. 19 -
Unregistered - SPARTAN OF 777 11.04.2005 11:13 What you guys don't realize is that porting sucks in performance, and if a good one comes out it will still cost money, if you had any notion of online play your going to have to look elsewhere in which console to buy. And that's what people will do because of this Sony move. That's indisputable. Effects of this move 1. People who wanted to buy the ps3 and liked online will start to consider getting both 2. People on the edge of which console, and who like online play will primarily lean to the 360 3. Those who are dedicated to sony will just be dissapointed 4. People who live for multiplayer and live will choose the 360 Now these are just general effects, their not absolute "duh". I still can't get over this. If you want online than porting will not suffice or satisfy your needs. Ps3 is out of the live business, start realizing that sony fans 20 -
xxxxxx 11.04.2005 11:13 Oh yeah! However, I didn't say I wouldn't use this name, I only said I would stop acting like him... 21 -
17 not me, 19 was mePAUL CERULA 11.04.2005 11:15 umm, 17 is being a moron again trying to be the real spartan, and why would a person named after a halo character support the ps3. but 19 was me, i forgot to sign in 22 -
20PAUL CERULA 11.04.2005 11:17 20 IS A FAKE SPARTAN, WANT TO BE 23 -
xxxxx 11.04.2005 11:19 I'm the real Spartan. Who dare either of you steal my name. Don't listen to them, I love PS3, not 360! 24 -
xxxxx 11.04.2005 11:22 I'm not named after a stupid halo character, Fake Spartan, I'm named after a star in another galaxy. God, how stupid can someone be? 25 -
Unregistered - Billy 11.04.2005 11:25 OH MY SWEET LORD!!! What the hell has Sony done? they just shot themselves in the foot. They had the advantage with a more powerful console but with crappy online services this is just useless. Its like having a FERARRI but NO PETROL. I couldn't decide between Sony and Xbox360 but now i know definitely its gonna be X360... 26 -
Unregistered - wow 11.04.2005 11:39 I have stuck with sony thick and thin from ps1, ps2, psp, and now....no online. This is clearly a bad move for sony. Now I really can't decide which one because I was hoping sony would have a better online. I'm sorry Sony but I'm gonna have to get the xbox 360 and see if I have enough money 6 months from now for the ps3. This is just sad but a big chunk of consumers with me want online play and crappy port service won't do it for me. Ps3 just lost (tens)thousands of customers... 27 -
Unregistered - Havoc 11.04.2005 11:52 Wow I read about this a few days back, but I didn't pay it no mind because it looked like it was just rumors. This is a shock to me, I even looked up the source, it's from a site called gamesfirst.com and they said they've reported this from Official Playstation Magazine that sony has decided not to use a centralized online plan. I know I am a sony fan boy but it is hard for me to believe this, I want to see quotes from the artical. I want to read the whole artical so I can know exactly why sony would choose this decision. But I started to think, It would be very nice to have a unified online stratagy but sony still can have one without it. Besides having to register for every game to play online, the online play can still be good, the things ps2 needed for online play was a headset that worked for all games and a harddrive for downloadable content. Then it will be up to the deveopers to incoporate the abilty to find friends, stats, and download content and things like that. If sony does decide to go by this stratagy, they should really think it over because although ps3 online will be so much better than ps2 online, it won't compete with xbox live with the single gamertag across all games. I still can't beilive sony would not go with the unified online plan, but just give me a headset to talk, and some downloadable content and I'm good. I just feel that if sony Made a strong centralized online sevice that the ps3 would compete with 360 in every category. Because with the ps2 and xbox, xbox fanboys could brag about the graphics in games, and xbox live but if ps3 will have a unified online service the xbox fanboys will have nothing to brag about with the 360. Man I'm not going to lie, I want sony to have the unified online service so I can say everthing about the ps3 is next gen. I actually can't wait untill november 22nd so Sony can give us info on thier online plan. 28 -
GS3Unregistered - GS3 11.04.2005 12:08 lol, ya'll all was screeming about blu ray, and the cell, so now the online service has changed and you all are crying. Yeah sony has dropped a few things and counting, but I mean deep down I still think it's going to be an awesome gaming machine after all thats really what it is, if I were a sony fan i'd worry if they start losing software support. I never bought into all that cell, and online and this and that. It was only to get your attention away from the 360, sony is really on the ropes they never thought that someone would just come that close to them in this gaming thing. They have blu ray, which is a good thing, they have blu tooth which is a good thing, they have self loading dvd mech, which is a good thing but, it's something about the 360 that has me. I even enjoy just being able to walk up to a kiosk and play. The 360 need to crank out some good games tho, Yo but back to this online thing. Yeah MS has that in the bag and sony tried to emmulate it but could'nt thats saying something. Have you ever heard the saying, you get what you pay for. Yeah there's a fee asscociated with live but its worth it all the way around. And to that one guy sayin he dont want to play with strangers, that's a wonderful thing to pick up and play live with or against anyone anywhere weather you know them or not. Dont make so many excuses, suck it up. If sony had went through with their online plans before they died you'd be elated to play with strangers. just admit it. I see what ms did right and wrong and I've seen what ms has done right and wrong. But that online thing as really pushed ms over the top and sony know's this and in the mean time they'll continue to drop sh!t. anyway by the time you get the ps3 and the cell not the version you were promised, the only thing the ps3 will have going for it is the games which what it was all about in the first place. 29 -
Sonfan bois wont understand.Unregistered - Daddy 11.04.2005 12:20 Sony fan boys are not intelligent enough to know how this will effect them in the long run. Not only will each publishing company have to deal with putting up with the cost of developing a game using the cell chip, but now they have to put more time into developing the online part too. This coupled with the fact that they have to use there own servers and use the over priced blue-ray technology is going to kill the consumer. But they don't have to worry about that, Fony fan boys will pay the price anyway. LOL! 30 -
SPARTAN 0F 777 HAS NO LIFEUnregistered - SPARTAN 0F 777 HAS NO LIFE 11.04.2005 12:26 SPARTAN OF 777. DUDE GET A FOCKING LIFE. HOLLY CRAP. WHAT DO YOU DO ALL DAY LONG. YOU ARE SUCH A FOCKING LOSER KID. DO YOU HAVE A GIRLFIREND OR A BOYFRIEND I SHOULD SAY. CAUSE YOU FREAKING NEED ONE. YOU HAVE NO LIFE 31 -
switchUnregistered - green lantern 11.04.2005 12:27 thats it...im done being a sony fanboy...i WAS gonna get a ps3 over an xbox360 but come on...a sh*tty online setup aint gonna make go n make me buy that system....i dont give a f*ck what has better graphics...online games are more fun because theyre not generic because ur playing REAL people not some stupid AI...i dont wanna have to pay for every f*ckin game i own just to play online..id rather pay a monthly fee like xbox live and play ANY GAME I WANT ONLINE!!...i cant wait for november 22nd so i could get my hands on a brand new xbox360....its a better looking console anyway and its got a better looking controller too....not no stupid boomerang and its doesnt rip off the spider man letters...F*CK SONY 32 -
R.I.P. PS3 Live..Unregistered - Akakage 11.04.2005 12:34 Wow this isn't a very good decision in my opinion. Last time I read I believe that xbox live was at about 20% of current users and climbing. The live servers maintained monitored and optimized to create the best online gaming experience possible on a console. With all the new enhancements to the service it will be even better on 360. $50.00 a year(not per month) is the cost of one game (not even one game now..darn next-gen price inflation). Cheating isn't nearly as rampant (any ever played Socom online?), Voice chat with every game, The games you can't play online have downloadable content (for the most part). Its a great service. With PS2 online...servers are almost always lagging, cheating is the norm, hardly any voice chat and only a handful of games support ps2online and even fewer of them are worth playing online. For both PS3 and X360 you will have to pay a fee for MMORPG's (unless msoft hooks us gamers up..since we are already paying) because that's how they have always been. PS2 online I believe I had it for a week before I sold my network adapter and play all my online games through xbox live exclusively. PS2's network was hot doo-doo..unfortunately it looks like PS3's is poised to be NEXT-GEN ultra powerful HOT DOO-DOO. Oh well there is always xbox live. I do want to play that DC comics MMORPG on PS3 though. As well as the Marvel MMORPG for x360. 33 -
Get a life PeopleUnregistered - Furious George 11.04.2005 12:39 Man you guys are f&*%king losers get a life already and stop worrying who has the better console, I don't give a rats a@@ who has the best console or online capabilities I just want the best games not some genric games I can sell back to the store. 34 -
finallySPARTAN DF 777 11.04.2005 12:42 (deleted by mod, this is your only warning) 35 -
Unregistered - Furious George 11.04.2005 12:43 I'm tired of this flamming and crude I'm not going to buy a new console. 36 -
Unregistered - Furious George 11.04.2005 12:47 You guy's aren't gamers, yeah Xbox is good and all but If I don't see any great games on either consoles I'm not going to bother buying one, it pisses me off when I have to listen to you morons spouting the same crap over and over again. 37 -
Unregistered - Furious George 11.04.2005 12:51 Green Latern good for you go buy the Xbox 360 no one gives a damn If I have to play the same Rehashed excuse for games, I'm not even seeing anything original what the hell is next gen graphics where are the next gen games I was promised. 38 -
PS3 PWNEDUnregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 12:54 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! 39 -
Unregistered - Furious George 11.04.2005 12:59 This generation of gaming showed me nothing new and oringinal in the last past years, soon online gaming is going to be as common as buying a used car and people will lose interest fast until something innovative comes up. 40 -
Unregistered - Furious George 11.04.2005 13:07 Just to let you guys know Xbox live will get more expensive then you bastards are going to start complaining about monthly charges, you can send hate comments at me all you want but I've seen this happen a million times. So long you depraved losers because I have no interest in putting up with this kind of crap anymore if I have to listen to you guys b#$%h and complain I'll have to take a gun to my head and pull the trigger. Adios Losers 41 -
DamnitUnregistered - Frank 11.04.2005 13:22 Sh!t Sony better re think thier decision about the Ps3 online...cause im really pissed right now. 42 -
Unregistered - LMFAO 11.04.2005 13:25 Where are all the Sony fan boys now? Where you at old school? Where you at Havoc? Where you at PS3player? Y'all aint got nothin' to say now. All y'alls talkin bout how good the PS3 will be, how good Sony is, how MS can't compete, and now you ain't got nothin to say. Its O.K though, just make sure you don't use you the same name you use here for your gamertag and no one will ever know you switched. LMFAO 43 -
Unregistered - Hulk 11.04.2005 13:25 Yeah the Xbox 360 and ps3 aren't doing anything new to be honest I was hoping for something original from the next gen consoles, after playing the xbox I got bored, and the only thing that sparked my interst a little was the ps2. If I don't see anything new next year and the years to come I'm going to end up selling both my consoles because let me tell you little sh&ts If I have to hear pointless screaming when I play Xbox live and no innovative games I'll sell both my new consoles in a heart beat. 44 -
Ref hulkGill 11.04.2005 13:32 Have you checked into Xbox live's gamerzones? Those should help fix the problem with that type of on-line player. Don't know if Sony has any similar plans. 45 -
Funny..Unregistered - Namehere 11.04.2005 13:33 I find myself laughing as i go from 360 sites to PS3 sites. It seems every time one of the systems have a disadvantage all the fans rabidly defend the systems fault. Such as the 360 not supporting Blu Ray or HD-DVD clearly a disadvantage, but xbots will die telling you there is no advantage to having extra disc space, which is an idiotic thing to say. And now that Sony has made a questionable decision sony fanboys sit here and claim "Xbox Live isn't all that good anyway" when everyone knows that Live is clearly the best all around online gaming service for consoles and it's stability definately out does many MMO games on PC. Like i said Just a thought... 46 -
Unregistered - Pipe Line 11.04.2005 13:34 I lost interest in the next gen consoles a long time ago, eye candy, explosions, online play don't interest me anymore I haven't seen anything new, this console war is getting old and stale. 47 -
Unregistered - Flash Back 11.04.2005 13:40 It seems to me everyone lost interest in the games in general and frankly it's funny to see you guys bicker about the disadvantages of a console, well I guess consoles are going to die like they did in the 80's. 48 -
Let the Hate RiseUnregistered - Darth Sidious 11.04.2005 13:56 That's right let the hate manifest winthin the fanboy community, soon people will lose interest in console gaming and every game devloper will end up flat a#* broke on the streets. Well if gaming does die out all of you guy's will have nothing to do when you lose interest in gaming and online play then game developers will have no jobs and all of you guy or gals will have nothing more to do with your lives with games. 49 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 11.04.2005 14:10 Well, I was wondering how they were going to handle online gameplay. I had the xbox, but I didnt get live because I didnt want to pay a monthly fee. I liked the fact that I could just pop in my marvel nemesis game and just play online with it, also, my NBA 2k5 and play online for free. I didnt find it that hard to set up an account. its really not a big deal to me, but it might be for some other ps3 fans. 50 -
?????Unregistered - Mancho Man 11.04.2005 14:10 Well if console gaming dies out it'll probably be around 2030 when graphics have reached their limit and online gaming is fun for awhile but monthly charges will increase and people will complain. If you guys think that gaming and xbox live will last forever, tell me do any of you guys like baseball, oh that's right it's boring and old I'll save my money for something usefull in the future. 51 -
Unregistered - Sight 11.04.2005 14:13 Good!!!Having the same system then it will probably means that we won´t have to pay to play on-line like Microsoft...And I really won´t spend my money just to play on-line!!!!I´d rather pay to buy another game.. 52 -
Punk Street 11.04.2005 14:22 I just want the best games people if I'm getting the same games without online play and their the same like the last generation then I'm going to be pretty pissed off because I was hoping new innovative games would come out. 53 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 11.04.2005 14:27 Ya'll 360 fans don't know what you want, i didn't want Sony to come up with an online strategy simmilar ti Xbox Live because then you would all be saying that Sony is copying, that's right they stayed original, and that means no monthly fee, but having to ste up an account for every online game is a bit frustating but i can dig that, so not a big deal for me, besides i only play 3 games online: Resident Evil Outbreak series, Soccom 3, and Mortal Kombat, i spend my time playing offline. By the way Soccom 3 is great and Soccom 4 will definitely be a KIller on the PS3, Sony will still beat Microsoft. 54 -
Unregistered - Mind Reader 11.04.2005 14:28 Online play is cool and all but without good games what's the point of having to pay out of my pocket for next generation games, I mean I have to work for peanuts and I really can't bother with paying monthly charges that will increase. 55 -
Unregistered - LMFAO 11.04.2005 14:31 I find it damn funny that Sony fanboys' complaint against Xbox Live is that it costs money. OMG!!! It is about $50.00 per year, which breaks down to roughly $4.17 per month. You people cannot really be that cheap. It is completely worth it to have a unified system and on-line community. 56 -
Unregistered - Mind Reader 11.04.2005 14:32 I want an online experience but damn I'm poor and I can't bother with having to pay money, Xbox live is good but it isn't good for me if the price will increase higher when 2008 comes around the corner. 57 -
Unregistered - Mind Reader 11.04.2005 14:35 I keep hearing xbox live but what about the games, $4.00 is peanuts but I don't mind spending that much online, but without good games what's the point of using it if I don't get the best of both worlds with the games. 58 -
Unregistered - LMFAO 11.04.2005 14:36 Hard to program for, losing developer support, ridiculous controller, expensive, and to top it all off, piss poor on-line play. WAY TO GO SONY!!! MS doesn't have to beat Sony in the console wars, apparently Sony has become their own worst enemy. 59 -
Unregistered - Mind Reader 11.04.2005 14:38 Just to set the record straight I like Xbox live but their were only 2 games that I used the service. 60 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 14:43 Okay L what if microsoft becomes the only console left without competition microsoft will increase the payments, games will suck ass, people will lose interest in the machine like what happened in the 80's with the old american consoles and no more video games. 61 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 14:47 Wow I'm starting to see a pattern the Xbox will be the only dominat console and it will suck just like windows within a few years with cheap parts and no innovative games to speak about just like the 80's with the atari, the 90's and the year 2000 with windows. 62 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 14:52 Think about it no more good video games without competition everything will be so damn boring no more anything, well it's nice knowing video games had such a short life span. 63 -
REF fanboy killerUnregistered - LMFAO 11.04.2005 14:54 I completely agree with you. I actually hope that Sony puts out a decent console to encourage competition and to keep all companies involved making high quality games and products. I just can't understand why Sony is constantly shooting themselves in the foot and allowing MS to get the better of them. There is no doubt that if either MS or Sony completely dominates the next-gen consoles and that the other fades away, that the ones that will suffer will be the gamers. 64 -
Unregistered - . 11.04.2005 15:07 This is good news for me why you ask, well free online play.the free online fro 360 is horible. so sony wins 65 -
LFMAOUnregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 15:16 Here's something that is long but I took it from Nodieza from a link and Punk Street. "I believe that KK is playing everyone to be a fool, here's why: PS3 will not be expensive: Kaz Hirai and Chatani said it would be 'competitive'), and I believe them over KK ("PS2 will be under $900"). When he said PS3 would be expensive he was laughing. They also told investors and partners that it will be less than 40 000yen ($368). Why will RSX cost more than R500? If anything it should be cheaper: no eDRAM, fixed royalties, no radical architecture (as yet....). Also the R500 is made up of two dies. Cell $6billion dev costs (including fabs) are split 3 ways to IBM Toshiba and Sony, HAVABlogbillion for Sony, thats $20 per cell, fixed dev costs (assuming 100 million cells made and sold, used just on PS3, not including PS4, TVs, PSP2, mobile phones etc). XeCPU will cost a similar amount to make as cell, because die sizes are not hugely different, extra transistors is not the defining factor in manufacturing costs, die size is. Plus Sony is one, if not the most experienced company in 90nm production (pioneered this production method more than 6 years ago with PS2), an area which MS and ATI have almost no experience in (the same goes for nVidia, which is the reason why they are using Sony's 90nm production method for the RSX). Another thing is that only 7 of the PS3 Cell's 8 SPEs are activated, meaning that if one SPE is malfunctioning Sony won't have to discard the CPU but just deactivate the malfunctioning SPE, unlike MS who will have to discharge their CPUs if just one of the PPC cores are malfunctioning. A wifi card costs $40 now, to a consumer, how much for Sony, at manufacturing costs? Less than half? Bluetooth is 2.4GHz tech, the same as the 360's system and will most likely be the same price to manufacture as X360 solution. Sony do not have to pay Ericsson (the creators of Bluetooth) royalties, as Sony own Ericsson, MS will have to Logitech. Blu-Ray is the only real cost and will not be $100 more, all it is is a violet laser as well as a red laser, there will be no huge change in manufacturing costs. Stand alone players will be a $1000, just like DVD players were when PS2 came out, and how much was PS2 at launch ($300). Another important thing is that Sony isn't alone in the BD R&D, all the biggest hardware companies (minus Toshiba) are sharing the R&D cost and experience in gaining the most cost-efficient production method. When the PS3 hits the shelves the production cost of BD drives will be much less than today and the money lost on the PS3 drives will be compensated by the gain from selling BD movies and 1080p TVs (HD-DVD only run 720p resolution meaning that Sony wouldn't be able to sell its 1080p TVs to people with HD-DVD players). Another important medium which needs mentioning is the memory-stick, the PS3 will make this medium much more common which will make more people buy Sony's memory-stick products like video-cams, car phones, MP3 players and so on. I cannot see what all the doom and gloom stories are based upon. If someone can point out where I am wrong with logic rather than speculation, please do. Please do not use analysts ideas, they do not know squat, (PS2 and PSP=$500 at launch)." The controller and the console were only concept designs plus that guy carmack was talking about the old tools, the new tools arrived in october, and the unreal Engine and game Embryo 2.1 is going to make game development easier. Just to let you know an online service is good but without a majority of good games what's the point of having a console in the first place, if you don't read it you obviously don't know anything. 66 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 15:19 I want both consoles but gears of war is the only game I want, until I see innovative games from the 360 I'll buy it. 67 -
@ 64Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 15:23 moron have you even played xbox live? SONY is failing miserably at the moment to capture interest from new buyers, they better pull their finger out and come up with something to rival the 360 experience or they are just gonna be the next gamecube. CELL/BLU-RAY/RSX and false promises aint gonna cut it this time. 1st = X360 2nd = REVO 3rd = PS3 68 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 15:25 If you guys ever heard of game pirates blu-rays will stop piracy for Sony which is a good thing because they're are an infinite amount of them on this planet, my brothers friend from the philippines buys burn game dvds. 69 -
@ 68Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 15:33 nothing is 100% hack proof, there is always someone smarter than you so it may take a while but it will happen. 70 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 15:38 Sure Kolopy your a psychic, the console hasn't been out yet and your fanboy senses are kicking in already, well believe whatever you want because I buy the console for the games. Japanese People buy tons of games, why do you think they rarely bought the xbox in the first place, it isn't about patriotism or better graphics give them good games and they'll buy the console. Well your another ignorant fanboy trying to preach, I'm going to leave because I keep hearing that kind of crap from everyone and I seem to remeber that the gamecube had better graphics and it sold less than both consoles. 71 -
Who Cares?Unregistered - I hate Xbox/Playstation extremists 11.04.2005 15:42 Just because the PS3 doesn't have a unified service like Live doesn't mean it it won't have online. PCs don't have a unified service and they easily make up the vast majority of online gaming. The developers of SOCOM stated that a service like Live restricts thier freedom and that they prefered to make there own which has over a million regesterd users (that's half of all of xbox live's users). I have nothing agiast Xbox Live I think its a good idea I just think people should not be forced into a subscribtion to play online. While nothing is quite as satisfing as beating another person, they can be jerks alot of the time and with all this new hardware AI should be more realistic and may give online gaming a run for its money. I am disapointed that theres no service but it's not the end of the world and if it is to you, you can buy an Xbox 360 instead. 72 -
Unregistered - @67 11.04.2005 15:42 The 360 will have 2 versions one will be free the other eill be like xboxlive. The free will suck because M$ will want to make more $ so they will make the free one stupid so more people will get the good one. 73 -
xbox 360Unregistered - xbox 360 11.04.2005 15:42 y'all gotta remember, us hard core gamers are the one's thinking that sony's online service is a dis service, or that ms live is all that. Casual gamers won't give a sh!t about any of that all they'll know is that these are the latest consoles, cooler graphics and they can brag that they own one if not both. And the fact that it's PS3 (the name selling)will also increase sells for the system to non hard core gamers. So even if Ms got it poppin' it's very possible for sony to still out sell the 360 because of name recognition alone. I mean there are alot of variables that'll dictate sales for these systems. That's what happened last generation. 74 -
ATTENTION EVERYONE.Unregistered - PS3 IS INDEED DEAD LOL 11.04.2005 15:49 ATTENTION EVERYONE, MAY I HAVE EVERYONES ATTENTION PLEASE. Allow me to direct your attention to the above image of a toe tag and it's inscription. Let's hear it for the 360, xbox live lives. I could'nt have seen a better dipiction of the ps3 as that above. LOL, grill station indeed. Are'nt you tired of sonys lies yet? lol suckaz 75 -
Unregistered - Opium ship 11.04.2005 15:54 Smarter I've heard that line before but it doesn't seem to cut it anymore, the FBI have been searching for hackers and game pirates in the U.S. for years, they've been giving microsoft nothing but headaches. If you don't believe me and want to be surrounded by ignorant fanboys who know next to nothing here's a link from PC world about what happened in a pirating sting from some game pirates. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120446,00.asp 76 -
Unregistered - I hate Xbox/Playstation extremists 11.04.2005 15:56 the free version of Live is load crap if you ask me. Its just a tool to get people to buy the full verson and does not support online gaming. However the Full version of Xobx Live is gonna be awsome but its gonna be an annual $70 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/sep05/09-08XBLPricingPR.mspx -if you don't belive me. 77 -
Unregistered - Wrath of Gamers 11.04.2005 15:59 No one wants the core system 5% of people who subscribe to game informer said that they want it, compared to 57% who want a Xbox 360 so microsoft is only going to lose money on unsold core consoles. 78 -
Unregistered - Wrath of Gamers 11.04.2005 16:05 I hate xbox/ps3 extremist how come everyone is acting dumb as a rock, don't people care about the games anymore not one person here has mentioned what games they want to purchase and it's pretty pathetic hearing this crap. 79 -
to comment 67Havoc 11.04.2005 16:08 How is Sony failing miserably, The only people who care about getting an xbox 360 is hardcore fans of the xbox. You must be out your mind, how can you put ps3 last and they are the only system that will be truly next-gen. So they might dispose of the idea of a unified online service but aint nothing change, you still going to get online play, good quality games that don't look like they were ported from this gen, and y'all xbox fan boys really need to come to reality if you think that the ps3 is going to be losing support from developers. If the ps2 murdered the compition with it's less powerful graphics, then you know ps3 will dominate with it's superior graphics and functions. The people at Sony are smart, they are going let m$ rush in with thier barely nextgen console, and when the ps3 comes out they're going to squash the competition. 80 -
#77Unregistered - Wrath of Gamers 11.04.2005 16:09 57% of people want the premium edition console. 81 -
Unregistered - Yardie 11.04.2005 16:30 35% said that they want nothing to do with the console and some xbox fans that subscribe to game informer are pretty pissed off on what they have to dish out to get the console if you guys don't believe me go to game stop and look at the magazine. 82 -
Fanboys Don't know SquatUnregistered - Yardie 11.04.2005 16:37 Just to let you fanboys I'm a frequent subscriber of the magazine I didn't send any online notices or anything but that's what it said in the october's issue, Wrath of Gamers is right and I read the whole article. 83 -
#82Unregistered - Yardie 11.04.2005 16:40 Just to let you fanboy's know. 84 -
Unregistered - Black Mist 11.04.2005 16:45 What the hell I haven't seen so much crap in my life, didn't microsoft promise graphics as good as Toy story, no they didn't, to tell you fanboys the truth making half-ass excuses doesn't do anything for me anymore. 85 -
to comment 82Havoc 11.04.2005 16:49 you said you read about this artical in a magazine called wrath of gamers? 86 -
Fanboy killer a fanboy himself?Unregistered - Jonga 11.04.2005 16:54 Hey Fanboy killer. How is Kolopy a fanboy. He just said that nothing is hackproof. I am sure that within a year there are going to be pirated games. 87 -
Unregistered - Yardie 11.04.2005 16:55 Gamer Informer. 88 -
Unregistered - Yardie 11.04.2005 16:55 Game Informer. 89 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 16:57 I didn't say he was a lying I meant to say is their any proff that blu-rays can be hacked. 90 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 16:59 I'm not a fanboy I'll buy both consoles until I see next gen games. 91 -
Not one of you Guys talk about the gamesUnregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 17:04 I was going to buy a Dream Cast before when it first came out but I decided to save my money until good games came out, Jesus Christ you little pukes digust me all you guys do is act like bickety b#$^&*es and complain about the console. 92 -
Unregistered - Fanboy Killer 11.04.2005 17:16 Just to let you little pricks know the 360 better have a majority of good games because I only care about the games not the console. 93 -
PS3 will have excellent online Unregistered - Kurama 11.04.2005 17:17 A unified service is not the only way to go for online. We are facing two approaches here, each of them has it's own advantages and disadvantages. Ms's approach is easier and more convenient to use and has extra features like content and media downloading but it puts developers in limitations in designing their games and is not free of charge, and also isn't available in all countries (only 24 if i remember correctly). PS3's online approach will be like PC's online approach. Can anyone claim that online play on PC's is bad? PC's have some of the best online games and really own the online field and they don't have a centralized service like Xbox Live. Just relax people! PS3 will be number one and will also have an excellent online service. 94 -
93PAUL CERULA 11.04.2005 17:23 93 your thinking of independent porting which is generally crap and very very few ps3 people will bother with it. Face it if you want online you should get the xbox 360, at least the core, and get the ps3 if you want jap. games. The unified online is the only way to get good online with no hassle. Again very very few people are going to bother with porting the ps3 95 -
Havoc 11.04.2005 17:34 If you want a wide variety of games with good online play than get a ps3. 96 -
Spartan of 777Unregistered - Kurama 11.04.2005 17:36 It seems you have to get your facts straight. In the U.S only half of the internet users have broadband connection. Guess the nubmer in other countries. 80% of the people who bought Halo2 didn't play it on Live. Only a small percentage of Xbox owners(10%)are members of Live. Online play is a very good feature but it is not the first thing. I'd prefer to play deep and long single player games and really conncect to their storyline rather than pointlessly shoot other people in xbox live for a better score or reputation. Online is not the first priority. Don't try to exaggerate it's importance just because it is the only thing you have to brag about. 97 -
to comment 96Havoc 11.04.2005 17:39 "Don't try to exaggerate it's importance just because it is the only thing you have to brag about." That was well said. 98 -
#71 is right on the moneyUnregistered - NOT A BIG DEAL 11.04.2005 17:43 I totally agree with you man. I think that sony's online capabilities will be just as good as Microsoft. I still think that sony is the better console, and will always have the better games. 99 -
a-holesUnregistered - a-holes 11.04.2005 17:46 I 've played xbox live, hell i have xbox live. But I dislike many of the people that play on xbox live. Most of those kids are obnoxious, adn a-holes anyways. 100 -
#79Unregistered - ninja0327 11.04.2005 17:51 HOW is sony gonna squash M$? the only thimg that sony and the playstion have is that: they're well known all over the world. its like EA's MADDEN and 2K's football games. EA's football game is more likely to succed than 2K's becuase its popular, NOT because its good.sure sony is gonna strike with what they have, but so will M$.as far as i'am corcened MS has done a good job;they've hired japanese dev's, the makers of FF games and creators of GTA games. some ps2 games will now be xbox360 exclusive.resident evil 5 will be on xbox360 that shows how japanese developers are showing support. its up-to cosumers to make their choise NOT saying ps3 will be bad. 101 -
SPARTAN HAS NO LIFEUnregistered - SPARTAN HAS NO LIFE 11.04.2005 17:51 SPARTAN OF 777. MAN GET A FUKING LIFE. YOU ARE ON HERE 24/7. HOLLY SH!T KID. YOU'RE LIKE A BAD FONGUS THAT WON'T GO AWAY, WORST YET YOU'RE A FREAKING HEMRROID. YOU'RE A PATHETIC LOSER, AND I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. YOU HAVE NO LIFE. 102 -
just keep lying to yourselves xbots...Unregistered - poopmouth 11.04.2005 17:53 The only reason that all these xbox fanboys are jumpin all over this subject is because they know it is the ONLY thing that Xbox has on Sony...So they just hold on to it as tight as they can and blow it out of proportion because they KNOW that xbox is inferior in every other relevant aspect. 103 -
#102Bill Gates 11.04.2005 18:07 Now, now #102 don't hate on my company. I know that you're right but you have to understand that we also have faceplates, t-shirts, and hats. This is how I am planing to control all of you...I mean make you all "Jump In". I will not stop until you are all a walking billboard for my company..I mean enjoy my product. BTW I will be releasing 22 more faceplates in Dec. so look out for those and try to ignore the superior PS3, although I don't know how you can. Damn Sony! they're so much better....DAMN YOU SONY! 104 -
SPARTAN OF 777Bill Gates 11.04.2005 18:12 You're not getting an xbox 360. I'll make sure of that I know you love Sony. You're a two face. Otherwise why would you be on here 24/7. I'm not selling you a 360, and none of the Sony fans are gonna want to play with you because you're a LOSER. You might as well buy a Yoyo and play with it. You're grounded! 105 -
to comment 100Havoc 11.04.2005 18:29 Ok I exaggerated with the word squash the compition but you know what I mean. Well anyways I could of sworn Microsoft was also well known all across the world too, maybe it's just me. Yea, m$ is getting some japanese dev support too, but Ms will never have as much as Sony of course. Both console will have thier share of exclusives, which will be a big factor in seperating one console from another. 106 -
Spartan of 777Unregistered - Kurama 11.04.2005 18:41 Another fact for you: the number of people who play FFXI online on ps2 is way more than the whole number of Live members. If you only focus on online,you'll miss many of the greatest games. All gamers know that storyline is one of the most important and fundamental aspects of a game. Online games never have a real storyline. Can you tell me what does it mean to play Silent Hill,Fatal Frame,Resident Evil in online mode??!! 107 -
Too badUnregistered - L-Ron 11.04.2005 18:58 big mistake sony, very big mistake. MS wins the next gen wars before they even begin. 108 -
L-ronHavoc 11.04.2005 19:05 L-ron get out of here with that weak comment. 109 -
103, 106PAUL CERULA 11.04.2005 19:09 Umm, 103 I'm pretty sure your thinking I'm two faced because there's a fake spartan with a very similar name to mine. You won't notice the difference in the names, probably a space or something. Also who ever keeps leaving messages in all caps is probably old school cause I haven't heard from him in a while. And of course he'll respond to this to make you believe otherwise. Listen up guys, this is important, not as important as ps3 losing the cell or something. But this does matter. And people will decide to get the xbox 360 instead of the ps3, not just because of this but it sways their decision. And you can't argue against that. 110 -
106 FFXIPAUL CERULA 11.04.2005 19:16 Also 106, FFXI is on the xbox 360, so even if your right which I would strongly say your wrong, it doesn't matter 111 -
Unregistered - booger 11.04.2005 19:17 spartan is a t1t but he is right, i for sure will be getting the 360 instead of PS3 now, 1 more customer for MS. 112 -
to havoc (105)Unregistered - ninja0327 11.04.2005 19:30 M$ is known over the world BUT not in the gaming department and they've just been in this business for 5 yrs which is why they have difficult to get settled. unlike sony which has been in this for 10 yrs and revolutionised the way we play games and thats why dev's are more likely to go with sony becuase its well established and has a good history in the business. peace 113 -
Spartan of 777Unregistered - PS2 Playa 11.04.2005 19:31 well peeps, im no fanboy but im really mad about no central online. 114 -
to comment 109Havoc 11.04.2005 19:41 Yes you are right, and people will decide to get a ps3 instead of the xbox 360 and thier decision would be based on little features like having extra game content on a disk, or when they see you are able to play a football game with up to seven people on one console, or when they're on the fence on which console to buy and they just happen to see the ps3 being displayed on two hd tv's. So yea I do agree it's features like xbox live that can sway a person's decision on which console to buy. 115 -
to comment 113Havoc 11.04.2005 20:09 Yea I was mad too when I first saw this artical mainly because M$ only has a few things to brag about and thier online service is one of them. But you have to think like this, it's not how good xbox live is, it's about the things sony has to do to make thier online stratagy better. The first and most important is a headset that works for all games, second downloadable content, and then a unified online service. No central online service, but you are still going to have fun with the ps3 online, for example madden online for the ps2 was great it's like a xbox live in that one game. 116 -
online serviceUnregistered - maccdaddy 11.04.2005 20:10 this isnt good for the ps3. i was actually a little concerned that sony could create an online service like microsofts. by the way, for those who think that xbox live is limited, microsoft is giving game developers a lot more freedom with how they want there game to turn out. For example game developers will be able to create an excellent online gaming experience and they will be able to get all kinds of downloadable content. Microsoft is even letting the developers use the green ring of light for their own games. All of you ps3 fans know that this is an upset for the ps3 considering how well the online sevice for the ps2 did( which wasnt good). We all know that the xbox live service is going to be great so dont hate on it. 117 -
Havoc 11.04.2005 20:26 We don't hate on xbox live, you just have to realize that just because there won't be a unified online plan for ps3, that it will be exactly like the ps2. 118 -
@ 117Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 20:30 yeah sh1te just like ps2, no dlc coz no HDD as standard and who the f@ck is gonna play 7 people on on game get a grip, also who has two HDTV's in one room or even one house???? douche. 119 -
Here's my 2 centsUnregistered - Furious 11.04.2005 20:31 Remember the PS3 has not officially launched everything is subject to change... This announcement may not be legit, because I'm sure Sony understands online gaming is going to be a huge part of nextgen gaming. I'm just tired of hearing people say PS2 does not have online games. Don't get me wrong the XBox service is more robust and the XBox had more online enabled games, but the PS2 offered online options with most of their sports titles and Socom 1-3 had a huge online community with headset support. Honestly, I don't like the idea of having to pay for online services, but I do like downloadable game content. Also, having a universal friends list is nice, but not absolutely neccessary. If Sony pushes the developers to enable online gaming with their titles and offer downloadable content via the hard drive for free we have no real worries. I think the XB360 online strategy is nice, but not a system seller I can do all of the extra features via my PC. In conclusion I just played the 360 demo on a HD display and was impressed, but not floored by the visuals. I think both consoles have a bright future, but the PS3 is without a doubt nextgen and I highly doubt they completely ignore online play. Peace. 120 -
@ 119Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 20:40 have you played PS3 in real-time yet? no i didnt think so, so how can you say that PS3 is real next-gen, short answer is you cant so dont say nothing at all. 121 -
#120 You must be a dumb ass...Unregistered - Furious 11.04.2005 20:56 #120 Read the post again I stated both system are impressive and I doubt PS3 would create a truely next-gen console and ignore online gaming. When you look at both systems architecture it's clear the PS3 was designed from the ground up for next-gen gaming. XBox took a slightly more conservative approach resulting in easier development, but the PS3 took a chance and developed a console with a new disk format 1080P support and a new revolutionary processor. The system was built for the future and online gaming is part of that future, don't sleep on the PS3. There's no need to debate you're out of your league go back to the XB360 forums scrub... 122 -
i read it and...................................Unregistered - kolopy 11.04.2005 21:32 "PS3 is without a doubt nextgen" yeah you did say it ballbag, PS3 has shown nothing real so how can you say that, it doesnt make sense, and as for 1080p 12% of people in the world own a HDTV 2% of that 12% own a HDTV capable of 1080p so your going to buy 2 are you? 1080p is just something they say to fool you into thinking it's the best, but realise only a handfull of games will use it whereas MS have ordered all games to use 720p and 4XAA. erm one more thing............................. OWNED! HOLA! 123 -
#122 Here's my final thoughsUnregistered - Furious 11.04.2005 22:32 You claim to read my post, but you do not fully understand the words... I would like to start by saying I will own an XB360 11/22, but the system is made with the next few years in mind. The PS3 is designed with the next 7-10 years in mind, let me explain. The 360 will be great for 3 years but the DVD format will start to negatively effect developers due to HD content eating up disk space, resulting in multiple games disk or an upgraded 360 with a built in HD-DVD or BluRay drive. If this occurs all the hardcore gamers like me will get the short end of the stick. Also, in the next 5 years the PS3 will be in full stride and more households will have HD televisions due to FCC regulations and analog broadcast removal, do your research. Once again for all the slow people on this board, both systems are powerful, but the 360 was designed to be first to market, the PS3 was designed for the future. Remember, the rabbit did not win the race, think about it... Peace, (no need to say owned:-0) 124 -
Online?Newb 11.04.2005 22:54 Why should i pay extra for online sevices? Live/or any console online is revo & PS3 don't pay at least... DUMB: to buy a game then play it online for a MONTHLY fee... PC's are based and still rule online gaming... plenty of games on PC to combat all of the next gen (w/ online at least)... and Jeez.. what is with everyone saying PlayStation will Fail........ (ASIAN HOLDS THE HIGHEST IN THE MARKET, so .. if anything will fail it'll be Xbox360 .. it never stood a chance in the asian confernce compared to Nintendo + Sony...) even if all americans' buy Xbox360 we'll still lose. 125 -
#123, you retardNewb 11.04.2005 22:56 PS3 has that ability BECAUSE SONY'S HIGH DEF TV'S PROVIDE 1080P you !d!ot 126 -
Unregistered - Big G 11.04.2005 23:15 All great points 122 and like you I will be getting both systems but 3 and 5 years is real nice, but I want the best sh*t now. 360 is gonna be the best now and when the day comes that ps3 is ruled the better syetem I won't care because I'll have it too. You guys are either poor(valid excuse) or your just plain fanboys not enjoy both systems. People say "You can't decide thats why you want both" or they say "their only loyal to sony", thats pure BS. I'm loyal to me, not any billion dollar companys. I want all the good games, not just some of them. I feel sorry for all of you that will only get to play half of all the good games out their where I'll be playing all. 127 -
Simple answerUnregistered - THEONENONLY 11.05.2005 00:10 The reason sony will not have a central service like xbox live is because they dont have the resorces to do it. Another win in the online department for Microsoft. Sony seems to belive that next gen gaming has nothing to do with online play but more to do with being able to watch a movies, play a game, have a video confrence, and voice chat with friends all at the same time by "Multitasking". 128 -
Cheap...Unregistered - THEONENONLY 11.05.2005 00:38 Some of you playstation guys are realy cheap. Your telling me you cant afford to pay $6 a month or $49.99 a year for Live. At least its a good service. If Sony would charge that for crapy PS Online then you guys could complain. Xbox Live has tones of games and Lag free. Its well worth the price if you like online gaming. 129 -
PAUL CERULA 11.05.2005 01:02 A few people are thinking about independently porting the ps3 which is always crap and very very few ps3 people will bother with it. Face it if you want online you should get the xbox 360, at least the core, and get the ps3 if you want jap. games with an marginal improvement in performance. The unified online is the only way to get good online with no hassle. Sony will definately lose customers because of this move and they know that. Again very very very few people are going to bother with porting the ps3 so quit thinking ps3 is an online machine. It is not.... 130 -
Xbox360 invade ?Unregistered - Stupid Xbotz 11.05.2005 01:34 Have fun getting "rewards system" on games w/ x360, get that rank #1 on halo and become famous to all the nerds!!!!!! how stupid, people with no lives earning rewards for playing video games 131 -
overrated...Unregistered - poopmouth 11.05.2005 01:43 First of all, online gaming is way fuking overrated. I play very few games online(and yes i have xboxlive as well as ps2). And seriously, most of the people that play online gaming enough for this subject to even matter, are losers. They have no friends so they go online and have "pretend" friends...dont get me wrong, online gaming can be fun, but it is way down the list of priorities for me in a gaming system...out. 132 -
Spartan of 777Havoc 11.05.2005 01:53 You are desperatly trying to persuade people to buy a 360, how ignorant are you to claim the ps3 is not an online console are you on drugs. Spartan this is not Sony's first console, people know what kind of g |
