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27 Oct 2005 18:48 | DragonFly | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article
Sony has earlier claimed that the PS3 console will play both PlayStation and PS2 games. However Sony spokesperson Reiko Sakamoto recently said to the IDG News Service that the PlayStation 3 might not be 100 per cent backwards compatible.
His comments came after Sony published a list of games which are not compatible with the new silver slimline PS2 console. So far 38 PSone and nine PS2 games were listed, including Tekken 5, Hitman: Contracts and Resident Evil. "We believe multiple factors are responsible," Sakamoto explained that the console has a new and different chipset which is not compatible with the way some software is programmed, that can for some games result in glitches such as hangs and slow game saves. Source: eurogamer.net Add Comment old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:11 who's posting all thi=ese news articles, Bill Gates? LOL diablo_sv21 10.27.2005 19:13 Well I know for a fact that this article isn't a lie. Its quite dissapointing what has happened with the incompatability with the silver PS2. It looks like I'm going to have to keep my PS2 in order to still play the classics... Hopefully they can sort something out. old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:14 I really don't thinks this is going to be a big deal with the fans anyways. Unregistered - asdf 10.27.2005 19:24 ahaha, your empire is letting you down ps3 fannies Unregistered - WildAttorney 10.27.2005 19:29 PS3 fans are an odd bunch indeed. They dismiss any bad news about the PS3 as lies, etc. It is almost like a religion for you people, based entirely on faith, facts be damned. In any event, I have to admit that I find myself experiencing a tremendous amount of glee in this news, given how Ken Kutaragi was attacking the Xbox 360 regarding backwards compatibility and boasting again and again how the PS3, because its compatibility would be "hardware based" and not "software based," would be 100% backwards compatible. When are you guys going to face the fact that, while the PS3 may be just as good of a system in many ways as the Xbox 360, it is not everything that Sony and Ken Kutaragi say it is. Most of you may be too young to remember the release of the PS2 (I remember the release of the Atari 2600, which gives you an idea of my experience in these matters). At E3 before the PS2 was released, Sony was displaying videos of almost identical quality to the videos it showed this year at E3 and TGS. In the end, the PS2 was never capable to achieving the CGI-level animations Sony was boasting. I honestly have no idea what the PS3 is capable of, or the Xbox 360 for that matter. As they say, the proof of the pudding will be in the tasting. But you have to realize that PS3 fans are being lied to on a regular basis by Sony. Despite your religion-like "brand loyalty" to Sony, I urge you all to take an honest look at this company and the bullshit it's peddling. -- WildAttorney (www.spinning360.com) old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:32 What are you blahbin' about? It's not like the 360 will be 100% backwards compatible either douche bag. The 360 will probably be 15% backwards compatible while the PS3 will be 97%. And what? old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:35 What's soo bad about this news? You people over exsagerate evrything. Relax guys It's ok that the PS3 will be better than the 360. Don't worry, you'll be playing your xtwat any day now. Gill 10.27.2005 19:35 The difference is that MS never said it was going to be 100 percent backwards compatible, Sony did, and it is looking like they lied. This may be a personal thing, but I hate being lied to. old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:35 I meant "exaggerate". PAUL CERULA 10.27.2005 19:38 What, say that again, Sony exaggerated and/or lied, this can't be possible.....WOW old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:39 (post deleted by mod) old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:50 (deleted by mod) Unregistered - Enraged 10.27.2005 19:54 i feel a sinister plot to disappoint ps3 fans and get them to buy that crap 360!This site continues to give us old and negative news! what don't they say something about Kutaragi's yesterday speech ?don't believe this crap news! Sony will soon show us gameplay and footage! GO TO HELL XBOTS!! Webmaster 10.27.2005 19:56 "old school with a new twist" and "SPARTAN OF 777" Your constant fighting is very destructive to the this site. Please stop it, this is a friendly warning. I can block both of you from posting, but I don’t want to do that so just please learn to live together, no I don't care if you hate eachother but I don't want to read about it either. The next person who uses offensive language to other members in this thread will be IP banned from this site. old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 19:58 I agree 15. I think the people that run this site where bought off by Billy. LOL....there you go xbots have fun with that. LOL....because I really meant it too. LOL Webmaster 10.27.2005 20:17 I know we have been late with the news lately; the reason is simply that we are busy with some projects that we will show later when they are ready. Right now we don’t have a very big staff for this site resulting in fewer news posts than we would have liked, but that should be just temporarily and we also have some new site features coming soon that will really help with keeping you all updated with PS3 news. As for us hating PS3? So you think we should lie and change the article so that Reiko Sakamoto says that the PlayStation 3 will be 100 per cent backwards compatible just because that would be good news instead of bad news??? Sorry I don’t get it...There will be plenty of good news for PS3 fans soon when game developers are finally allowed to show their games. Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.27.2005 20:27 How do we know that you are really the webmaster here. If you are, you should be ashamed of yourself, by letting some of the most horrendous and disgusting posts on here. You really need to monitor whats being posted on your site better. There are people in here that end up just yelling and unsing extremely profane language. Also, this is a PS3 site, all these 360 fans come in here and just talk junk and undermine our conversations of how great we think the PS3 is going to be. Just monitor this better please. PAUL CERULA 10.27.2005 20:47 I have to agree if this is the webmaster you should prove it by banning old school for harassing people who post on this site. It seems he's the most deserving and inflames any argument with childish and brainless insulting rants with profanity. Unregistered - XBOX 360 10.27.2005 20:54 XBOX 360, is infact a very very good system, ps3 lol yea well anyways. As we all know all those lies sony told were going to start to unravel sooner or later and waaa laaaa like clock work it starts. M$ has been pretty much upfront about it's statements, comments, functions and features. Sony tsk tsk, exaggerations, lies, over hyped machine and functions when in all actuality is just a gaming machine like the 360. I personally am going for the 360 because its more than obvious that the sony doesnt care about you people well I mean atleast the way you guys care about sony. Yeah I know I know your feelings are hurt right now but please dont be mad at me for saying these things I mean after all you guys arent used to being told the truth. well good luch with your purchase and the cell and all that. Enjoy what you get, but it wont be what you were promised. That's sony for you. Enjoy your deceptstation 3. XBOX 360 in a few weeks...yea..nice right. old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 21:06 This post clearly show how you don't read any of the posts. I believe this is the postmaster because, the posts that I had posted aimed at you were clearly removed. I can see why too, as they were a little bit harsh I must admit. LOL But from now on it might be beneficial to at least somewhat conceal the fact that you have no intention to grace us with anything less than a biased ultra-subjective viewpoint. If anything you started crying when I began pointing you out. I did this because you were the one coming here and harasing the ones that were actually trying to carry on coversation. So don't type my name on your dirty computer anymore and I'll do the same so this way I'll avoid making you cry. Thank you. Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 21:14 I don't see what the big deal is. The PS2 isn't even 100% backwards compatible. Out of over 8,000 PS-PS2 games, the PS2 doesn't support roughly 50-100 PS1 games. So what. Most of the games I've never played and never want to play anyway. I had no doubt the PS3 wouldn't be backwards compatible just because it's using an Nvidia chipset which I would imagine to be having some problems running games from the older Playstation format. This is most certainly not the end of the world. And as for WildAttorney. I laugh at you. Yeah, we're being lied to as Sony fans. So? You act as if you're convincing us that this is the first time some prolific company has ever lied to sell their product. I remember the demos released at the E3 involving the PS2 and you're wrong. Everything they showed has matched or trumped what they showed and in fact, a member of the IGN boards put a comprehensive post displaying aforementioned demos and screens from games such as MGS3, God of War, etc... so, if you wish I can dig that up and present it as evidence. Microsoft has just as many zealots as Sony... PAUL CERULA 10.27.2005 21:21 You've got to be kidding me old school, you now a far more fair and understanding person, your so two faced. You never respect any comments whether from this site's articles of from people that in some way makes the ps3 look less appealing. And above with all of your faults you call me ultra biased. I point out the truth in these articles, and since truth is the last thing ps3 fanboys like to here they immediately dismiss it and rant on about how ridiculous it is, even though it's right. I really couldn't call what you say is biased because you really don't say anything worthwhile just complain about other people's comments. I am not an xbox 360 fanboy, I just prefer that console and whatever truth I lay down on both of these sites it is the truth, not biased. I am looking forward to the ps3 like I've said before. Interesting how a administrators presence, whether true or not, immediately turns old school into an level headed guy. Unregistered - 123 10.27.2005 21:32 HAHAHA! PS3 SUCKS YOU F*CKING FAGGOT FREAKS! old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 21:44 I agree with you all the way man. And to you SFARTn, you are a 360 fanboy. Because you come here and put down the people that choose a different platform other than the 360. I on the other hand have nothing bad to say about the 360 console itself. I'll actually be picking one up the games that appeal to me come out for it. So far there are none. Do you see me posting rant on Xbox sites harassing those on those sites? NO. Unlike you, people on this site have already posted that they don't want you on either site because you're obnoxious. For the last time please aim your comments at the news post and not at me. old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 21:48 You're absolutely right. The reason is that I like coming here to read the latest news, and don't want to be banned like you're about to get if you keep it up. But it's even funnier how when you pick on people, you enjoy it but when somebody picks on you you go home crying like a little girl. So cool it already. Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 21:54 Out of all the coments I've read from you, only the past few weeks have been level headed enough to be considered as valid opionions. Alot of your earlier posts were ridiculously fanboyish against the PS3 if I remember correctly. Another thing. You are pretty quick to point out why the PS3 and it's fans are so wrong and such, however I barely EVER see you attacking XBOX 360 fans. And don't you dare say that's because the Microsoft fanboys are more intelligent or present better arguments. Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 21:54 Out of all the coments I've read from you, only the past few weeks have been level headed enough to be considered as valid opionions. Alot of your earlier posts were ridiculously fanboyish against the PS3 if I remember correctly. Another thing. You are pretty quick to point out why the PS3 and it's fans are so wrong and such, however I barely EVER see you attacking XBOX 360 fans. And don't you dare say that's because the Microsoft fanboys are more intelligent or present better arguments. Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 21:54 Out of all the coments I've read from you, only the past few weeks have been level headed enough to be considered as valid opionions. Alot of your earlier posts were ridiculously fanboyish against the PS3 if I remember correctly. Another thing. You are pretty quick to point out why the PS3 and it's fans are so wrong and such, however I barely EVER see you attacking XBOX 360 fans. And don't you dare say that's because the Microsoft fanboys are more intelligent or present better arguments. Unregistered - meoow 10.27.2005 22:02 get a room you chumps, oh and sony LIED!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 22:02 I must say so myself Sparty has melowed abit ever since I began insulting him. Tha't a goo thing now the question is will he be able to maintain this level headed mindset of his. BTW I think we're all forgeting about the PC. I really think that in this coming generation PC will get most of the major titles ported as developers try to recoup the higher cost. Anyboby agree with this or is it just me? Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.27.2005 22:06 im pretty sure that the xbox 360 will be a little bit more than 15% compatible with the original xbox games. old school with a new twist 10.27.2005 22:13 I was exaggerating. I'm ware the it will be alot more than that. Although I hope Crimson Skies will be one of them. Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 22:20 Since Microsoft has moved from an Nvidia chipset to an ATI chipset you can bet your ass that the amount of games able to be ported over will be extremely thin. In fact, I would say 15-20% is a fairly decent number. Mostly million dollar sellers and possible fan favorites down the road. Even through emulation, Microsoft is pretty much pulling money from their own pocket when it comes to making certain games backwards compatible. Unregistered - Puma Trakky 10.27.2005 22:24 who gives a rats arse about B/C, i dont i wanna play next-gen games not last-gen's games. WORD?@*$% Unregistered - WOODEN SPOON 10.27.2005 22:37 weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Havoc 10.27.2005 23:16 when did sony lie about Backwards Compatibility? Unregistered - mooooooo 10.27.2005 23:26 erm in the e3 press conference they said and i quote "PS3 will be b/c with all games from PS1 & PS2" that right there is a lie, i know they have you confused they are always telling fibs, hell it's business. PAUL CERULA 10.28.2005 00:10 old school, since when do I pick on people. The only people I comment to directly is those who attack my comments, like you, with swearing, ranting, and generally nothing to say but that your wrong I'm right. I can't believe how your trying to turn the tables on me. I know even among you ps3 fanboys, that you will know who really is the aggressor here. And then we come to whether I'm a xbox 360 fanboy boy or not. Again I've owned both current gen consoles, and currently PREFER the xbox 360 over the ps3. Here's a tip for whoever said that I was a xbox fanboy because I didn't insult both consoles equally. If I prefer one I'm going to speak more highly of that one so less insulting. I've negatively critiqued the xbox 360 console plenty, but of course the ps3 more. That just means I like the xbox 360 over the ps3...NOT A FANBOY. I am not stuck to one system. Percentage wise far more ps3 fans are dedicated to the label, and you know that don't try to argue it. Imagine the labels on these two consoles were switched. You think that the sony guys would naturally chose the "xbox 360" because of the slightly better performance and better games(your preference). NO WAY. You've got to realize the illogic in some of your comments before you post them... Unregistered - Concerned gamer 10.28.2005 00:14 come who gives a crap if its not 100% backwards compatible, ask your selfs and answer honestly when was the last time you brought a ps1 game for your ps2 or the last time you even played a ps1 one game since you brought a ps2,besides a couple weeks after playing next gen games and you will wonder how you ever played games of less'er quality.and to any xbox fanboy who thinks this comes as good news MS stated months ago that not all current xbox titles will compatible with the xbox 360. Unregistered - Truth 10.28.2005 01:14 If you've said one negative comment about the XBOX 360 then it must have been to yourself because I've not yet seen one typed out negative comment against the XBOX 360 from you since I've been here. And that's quite awhile. Constantly pointing out the bad elements of one console while never making a peep about the other is the epitamy of a fanboy. If I said, "The PS3 is a bad console because I don't believe the Cell processor is what Sony is making it out to be" while never once saying anything directly negative or positive about the XBOX 360 or Nintendo Revolution, than it can be concluded by some that I am a fanboy of one of the other systems. Just how it works. Just "Thinking highly" of one console is different than never bringing your true opinions to light because of fear you will be labeled a fanboy. And that, is EXACTLY, what you are doing. Constantly putting down or pointing out flaws in one and not saying sqaut about the other. And percentage wise, I know alot more PS3 fans looking at the XBOX 360 as a possible second consoles than the other way around. In fact, some XBOY's are outright racist in they're "American only" beliefs. Ridiculous. You sir have to realize the illigocality of some of YOUR comments. You can try and cover your ass all you want... Anyways... I don't want to have my IP banned, so I would prefer is this topic dies with each of us having our own opinions. Same goes to 'old school with a new twist'. PAUL CERULA 10.28.2005 01:54 My gosh do you guys really need me to remind you of some of the negative stuff about the xbox 360. Well here's a list off the top of my head. 1. dissapointing launch titles 2. pdz didn't seem to have good graphics ... much later I saw the hd in game trailer which changed that 3. first off thought the console looked odd and kind of ugly, but later liked it 4. I though full auto, doa, nfs, and some other games didn't have as impressive graphics as I hoped 5. I've said many many times that I didn't like some parts of MS's marketing strategy 6. dissapointed that the xbox 360 hardware was just improved current gen., nothing like the cell, which is just an improved processor, but still...ehh ---some of these views have changed, but i've still said them. ---also i've said over and over the xbox 360 is less powerful, but...you know the rest Havoc 10.28.2005 02:29 sony did not lie about backwards combatibility, they did say the ps3 would be caompatible with ps1 and ps2 but that was before they found out about the problem with the new released slimline ps2, hence why they say maybe the ps3 might not be 100 pecent compatible. There are some games on the ps1 that don't play on the ps2. Sony didn't lie, they realized that there might be a slight chance that the ps3 will not be 100 percent combatible with all games so if the ps3 comes out with a few games that don't work people won't say they were lying. Off topic, I have the game shadow of the colossus, I think it's broken because there are no colossi in the game. Well I only been playing for two hours but I haven't found nothing. Can somebody help me out, do I have to do something in particular or just keep looking around. Unregistered - Kurama 10.28.2005 03:42 i think we need a website like teamxbox.com. there isn't such a website for ps3 and it is really needed. Punk Street 10.28.2005 05:58 Havoc you have to point your sword into the direction of an collouss when you the light turn blue, also this is a problem that can be sorted so easily by Sony and on some occasions I play my old ps 1 games so I have no problems. Gears of War won't come out until 2006, I was really looking forward to playing that game, it really sucks that I'll have to wait until 2006 and 2007 for good games to come out. Well I'll only come here from time to time only if I see some news on the games but it's obvious 2006 is the only time we'll hear anything about the ps3 games or in Game Informer Magazine. Unregistered - Svetlana 10.28.2005 06:15 I feel this will be a similar situation to the original PS2 scenario, where a select few PS1 titles wouldn't play on the console. Everybody's making much ado about nothing. Sony will probably get the vast amount of titles up and running on the PS3 but there'll be a few problem titles that just won't work - that's still a damn sight more than the Xbox 360's 'list', if you can even call it that. One thing that puzzles me is why do people insist that the Revolution is going to be 'backwards compatible'? Downloading data from the internet and playing on it is nothing more than emulation of sorts - it doesn't require physical media to be inserted into the Revolution to be played on. Backwards compatibility on the PS3 is just an added bonus. I, for one, never played a PS1 game on my PS2. Maybe others did, but I cannot see the need for it at all seeing as it's going to cost Sony an arm and a leg to get right for the PS3. Unregistered - Neverwhere 10.28.2005 06:45 To tell you guys the truth it's not a big deal I rarely play my old ps1 games, the only old game I play are MG solid, FF 7, some old rpgs, and some other games. Unregistered - PhaTTs 10.28.2005 08:32 I was just wanting to know with all of these x-bot fanboys is what console did you play on before M$ came out with the x-box, i'm sure a lot of them played the Ps2 enjoyed it thouroghly and are not sh*t talkers for no reason. Unregistered - zero 10.28.2005 08:33 Don't you guys realise that this site is owned by the guys who own xbox360news.com. It's like M$ paid them to win the ps3 fans over, So they can only give us bad news to discourage us from ps3. zerorespect99 10.28.2005 08:41 I am not geting a new console to play old games. If I wanna play old games I am gonna play them on my old console so I don't give a damn if it is 0% compatible. Unregistered - Enraged 10.28.2005 09:55 Let these xbots be happy for a while, let them cry like wolves but their happiness won't last long for we know that THE EMPEROR IS COMING TO TAKE BACK AND REGAIN IT'S THRONE!! spring 2006!! see you!! Havoc 10.28.2005 10:00 no by looking at all the articals posted this site is not owned by microsoft. I will bet the next piece of news will be something that will benifit sony. Punk Street 10.28.2005 10:02 I can just hook up my old console on my tv to play the old games I already have so I really don't care if it's 100% compatible I want next gen games and it's good that they reported this instead of being all quiet about the matter. Webmaster 10.28.2005 10:08 Yes this site is owned by the same people who own Xbox360News.com, as well as some other websites. Some that we will show you in the near future. At the moment we have limited resources, and since the Xbox 360 is launching before the PS3 we needed to put most of those resources into that site first. We do of course hope to make this site as active as the 360 site, but to do that we need to find some dediacated people who want write for this site. And that is not easy, most people do it for a week or two, and than after finding out how much work it is to keep a website updated with daily news articles they don't want to do it anymore. But again we have some new ideas on how we can fix this problem, more on that soon. Also for us only posting negative news about Sony, that is not true. If you read all the news posts so far you will see that we have posted plenty good news too. Again, as soon as we are done with the projcts that are today taking most of our time, we will take a hard look at this site to see what we can do to improve it. Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.28.2005 10:16 I wish these companies would stop with the backwards compatable crap. I am not a sony fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think anyone should care whether the PS3 plays all of the PS and PS2 games. If you want to play those games, keep the old system in a box somewhere. PAUL CERULA 10.28.2005 10:21 I agree with 54, if you want to play a ps2, ps1 game hook up your old console. The only benefit of backwards compatibility is not having to switch your consoles. If you sell yours, which wouldn't be profitably smart, than you don't play the old ones. I'd rather have cheaper consoles if they dropped this backwards compatibility. Unregistered - Pizza Face 10.28.2005 10:33 Well it seem's this guy is the webmaster so I presume it's a bad idea to start flamming if anyone wants to be banned. Unregistered - Op 10.28.2005 10:39 I'm not a fan of microsoft or Sony, I only buy Sony products because their reliable and I don't really need a high powered PC because my comp is fast enough as it already is right now. Faggot 10.28.2005 11:15 (deleted by mod - and banned - I thought I just made my self clear about the use of offensive language from now on) Unregistered - kdogg 10.28.2005 12:17 Spartan, you do realize that those 5 or 6 "bad things" you had listed about the 360 were completely based on your opinion alone??? And if anyone needs an example of MS lying...remember when they said the 360 would have HD-DVD when it came out? Well where is it?? On the shelf.... Unregistered - theonenonly 10.28.2005 12:26 I dont buy a new system to play the old games. It would not bother me at all if none of the next gen systems were backwards compatable at all. Im buy an xbox360 for he new games, and im buyng a PS3 for the new games. Go spend 500 bucks on a pS3 to play PSone games.lol TheBlob 10.28.2005 12:53 the reason they say That the Reolution is backward compatible, is because it plays gamecube games on it. Maleficus the Great 10.28.2005 13:22 Why don't you get registered, Truth? Other than Json Henry, Vivicious, Nodezia, and several other people that are unregistered but have good, sane comments, I just skim through many of the unregistered people's comments. Ever since I started visiting this site, I have always believed your opinions to have backing and I just think that you should get registered. BTW, as long as the most popular games(such as the MGS, Final Fantasy, God of War, and other good series)get backwards compatability, I don't think people will be unhappy. Unregistered - xbox 360 10.28.2005 13:27 Yo, a system being bc is a good thing but at the same time nothing to get bent out of shape about. So what if a few games won't work. This is planet earth. Nothing is perfect. Respect the game for what it is. The few games that won't work you probably wont be playing in another year anyway and there will be so many new games out that you won't care about your old games they will truly be old news. There will be so many games that will be bc that you wouldnt really have a reason to complain then again if you are the one complaining at that time then it's not sony or microsoft its you. Be easy and enjoy your console. The 360 was having bc issues as well but that's nothin. I'm looking forward to so many new games and features with the new system that many of the old games will probabley collect dust on a shelf somewhere or i'll just fire up the old system in the basement and play with friends or whomever when the time comes. Life is to short to be complaining, there are people in this world that's really bad off and are less fortunate so again stop complaining and enjoy your system. peace. Truth 10.28.2005 13:40 There we go. I was meaning to register, but it just kept slipping my mind. This is how I see the whole backwards compatibility argument. Basically it comes down to Sony wanting you to play and buy more games right? So, if the PS3 is your first console and you've already spent a huge amount of money on it and accompaning games... would you want to buy a PS2 to play it's games? No. You'd want to have the feature already instilled into your new console. It's all about practicality and c'mon, there's no negative to having backwards compatability. It get's Sony more money through people buying their previous systems games and allows new buyers to experience those games without having to buy the older hardware to play it. Plus, if you're like me, sometimes you like to go back and play games like Colony Wars, Twisted Metal 2, Suikoden II, FFVII, etc. Which I will be doing with the PS3 as well. THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.28.2005 14:40 your a fcuking d1ck head who the fcuck do you think you are ?? some kinda b boy???? the b standing for batty boy more like all you do is flame flame flame even the moderaror is scanning your posts just because people "prefer" the 360 doesnt give yoy the right to say sh1t about them , and to say they cant come to a ps3 site , fcuk you ive met d1cks like you on a night out mouthing off in the pub, take them out side an tought them a lesson. you have no valid opinions if its bad news about the ps3 you cry "billy boy bought them off" get real you d1ck. of sony is in trouble its no ones fault but sonys. sega went the way of the dodo in the console market, (imo) so did nintendo (they should stick to handhelds and games) now who's next ????? sony got too c0cksure and its coming back to haunt them any one care for a game of batterang out side?? Dante 10.28.2005 14:46 I see that Final fantasy series was ruined all over since final fantasy eleven.. I mean that FF series were incredible since FF7 to FFX-2..great story gameplay and other stuff ..so whay they enterred the online stuff...what do you think?? Unregistered - screw you 10.28.2005 15:39 what the f*ck....all sony fanboy are homo Unregistered - I hate Xbox/Playstation extremists 10.28.2005 16:30 http://www.gamespot.com/news/6136786.html On this topic: Most of the games from previous generation that I would want to play on my PS3 would be released a few months before PS3 and would probably not have a compatible. I don't know what games you guys are planning to play but I don't think this is a big problem. PAUL CERULA 10.28.2005 16:31 #56 do you realize that most critiques are opinions and not stone hard facts. I mean come on. Also I didn't know MS promised HD-DVD at the beginning. Unregistered - billy 10.28.2005 16:53 Just wanna say that that Spartan guy is one of the saddest individuals i have ever come across in my life. Get a bloody life you idiot... And as for those 360 dinks, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE we dont go traipsing over to your site saying sh!t like: ''PS3 Rocks, 360 sux...'' we're not that sad and pathetic Vivicious 10.28.2005 17:02 Offtopic, but: Let's all agree we never listen to that Ken Kutaragi idiot. :P My God Sony, get him the hell off the stage! They must really like his "quirkiness" in Japan or something, but I doubt many people appreciate his ramblings outside of Japan. Has anyone seen his latest comments in Nikkei BP? He expects the PS3 will be able to process games at 120 fps...When told that tv's can't refresh at such a rate, he says he wants the PS3 to be ready for future advancements. Jeez, this guy just has no idea. After 60 fps you can't tell the difference, yet he wants it to be at 120 fps? They really have to put him in a mental institution, he's so well known for his idiocy by now it's sad. Oh, and this backwards compatibility news did seem kind of obvious, but def. not that upsetting or anything. If people really want to play their PS2 games on the next-gen console, I'm sure almost all of the bestselling titles will be able to run on it. Yes, ok, They did assure us it was possible. But acting like lying to us is something new for Sony or any company for that matter is a bit overdone, I'm sure they'll be working on keeping the compatability within reason. But if it can't be done, it can't be done. Obviously some things have changed since their announcement. Punk Street 10.28.2005 17:12 Alright I don't know about all this doom and gloom stuff but you guy's need to stop it's getting annoying and hanging on to old news is pretty sad, the ps3 won't be expensive the japanese president and Kaz Hirai said it'll be competively priced with the 360. Here's an logical explanation from another person who does his homework: "I believe that KK is playing everyone to be a fool, here's why: PS3 will not be expensive: Kaz Hirai and Chatani said it would be 'competitive'), and I believe them over KK ("PS2 will be under $900"). When he said PS3 would be expensive he was laughing. They also told investors and partners that it will be less than 40 000yen ($368). Why will RSX cost more than R500? If anything it should be cheaper: no eDRAM, fixed royalties, no radical architecture (as yet....). Also the R500 is made up of two dies. Cell $6billion dev costs (including fabs) are split 3 ways to IBM Toshiba and Sony, HAVABlogbillion for Sony, thats $20 per cell, fixed dev costs (assuming 100 million cells made and sold, used just on PS3, not including PS4, TVs, PSP2, mobile phones etc). XeCPU will cost a similar amount to make as cell, because die sizes are not hugely different, extra transistors is not the defining factor in manufacturing costs, die size is. Plus Sony is one, if not the most experienced company in 90nm production (pioneered this production method more than 6 years ago with PS2), an area which MS and ATI have almost no experience in (the same goes for nVidia, which is the reason why they are using Sony's 90nm production method for the RSX). Another thing is that only 7 of the PS3 Cell's 8 SPEs are activated, meaning that if one SPE is malfunctioning Sony won't have to discard the CPU but just deactivate the malfunctioning SPE, unlike MS who will have to discharge their CPUs if just one of the PPC cores are malfunctioning. A wifi card costs $40 now, to a consumer, how much for Sony, at manufacturing costs? Less than half? Bluetooth is 2.4GHz tech, the same as the 360's system and will most likely be the same price to manufacture as X360 solution. Sony do not have to pay Ericsson (the creators of Bluetooth) royalties, as Sony own Ericsson, MS will have to Logitech. Blu-Ray is the only real cost and will not be $100 more, all it is is a violet laser as well as a red laser, there will be no huge change in manufacturing costs. Stand alone players will be a $1000, just like DVD players were when PS2 came out, and how much was PS2 at launch ($300). Another important thing is that Sony isn't alone in the BD R&D, all the biggest hardware companies (minus Toshiba) are sharing the R&D cost and experience in gaining the most cost-efficient production method. When the PS3 hits the shelves the production cost of BD drives will be much less than today and the money lost on the PS3 drives will be compensated by the gain from selling BD movies and 1080p TVs (HD-DVD only run 720p resolution meaning that Sony wouldn't be able to sell its 1080p TVs to people with HD-DVD players). Another important medium which needs mentioning is the memory-stick, the PS3 will make this medium much more common which will make more people buy Sony's memory-stick products like video-cams, car phones, MP3 players and so on. I cannot see what all the doom and gloom stories are based upon. If someone can point out where I am wrong with logic rather than speculation, please do. Please do not use analysts ideas, they do not know squat, (PS2 and PSP=$500 at launch)." At G4 tv during the tokyo game show and in game informer the excutives clearly stated that the ps3 controller and the console were concept designs so the final product's will be unknown as of next year. Also the game Developers are getting the new tools that they need, personaly I think that some of you guy's need to move on because hanging onto non-logical facts and leading people on is wrong, plus Famimatsu said it'll be below $400 dollars. Personally I think it's better for Sony to announce the things before the launch of the console because it's better to not lead people on and wait unitl the last moment to tell people what's going on with their product. old school with a new twist 10.28.2005 17:26 I don't know what you're doing but you have to aim your sword up in the air by pressing the circle button. You need to do this when you in in the sunlight. Once you have you sword pointing up in the air and in the sunlight, turn around slowly and and a beam of light will glow from the sword pointing you in the right direction. Vivicious 10.28.2005 17:39 Sounds like the problem with backwards compatability is also mainly with save games, while I though the PS3 wouldn't support save games from the previous consoles anyway. Still, I'm sure we'll know more by Feb. Unregistered - Marsh 10.28.2005 17:39 Whats the point in playing old format games on the most powerfulest console. i want the new games with the new console. how many of you still play the sega megadrive? not me naff old thing old school with a new twist 10.28.2005 17:39 sh!t sorry I see punk street already answered you. Mighty Boom 10.28.2005 17:46 I cant wait for the PS3, 360, And the revolution!!! Any of you forum trolls that dont aggree with me, BITE ME! old school with a new twist 10.28.2005 18:02 It's not a bad thing to have B/C. Sometimes you just want to play an old game you that you really enjoyed and haven't played for a while. I just finished playing Chrono Cross for the PS1 on my PS2 because I had given away my PS1. I went back to play it because I was getting bored will all the games through out all three current consoles. I beat it again just in time too because now I'm playing Shadow of the Colossus non-stop. Retard 10.28.2005 19:50 Ah, good stuff... It's good to see Sony fans are still at this site besides me! Where is that Dev1032 guy, he had some interesting comments... Unregistered - xbox360roxursoxoff 10.28.2005 20:57 <iframe src="http://gamercard.xbox.com/insertgamertaghere.card" scrolling="no" frameBorder="0" height="140" width="204"></iframe> Unregistered - oi 10.28.2005 20:59 <iframe src="http://gamercard.xbox.com/Major20%Nelson.card" scrolling="no" frameBorder="0" height="140" width="204"></iframe> Unregistered - yes well maybe not 10.28.2005 21:56 OMG...Bc for the ps3 is crazy, I mean on one hand it's good but consider that you'll want to play metal gear 1 2 and 3 but then here comes metal gear for fresh for ps3 and so forth and so on with other titles. Sequels up the wazoooo. I mean to each its on but if I have a new gaming system im basically interested in the newer games. Being able to play old games on new systems is a cool, but really how many old games are you going to play on a new system and for how long? old school with a new twist 10.28.2005 22:27 http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23889856 Unregistered - BLAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT 10.29.2005 00:01 lol 83 I read that link you posted for gamespot. That isn't really news I mean we all kinda expected that to some extent. Every one know's that the first wave of games wouldn't be at their best seeing as how developers need to figure out how to best use/manipulate the new systems. The same thing happened with xbox and ps2. But soon we found ourselves with some of the best games yet. With the 360 being such a great system they'll churn out some of the most beautiful games after a little while. Now as far as that multi threating for the developers well we already knew about that and also the software developers need stop start putting their skills to use and not being lazy. They'll be faced with the same thing with the ps3 if not worse. But it's not that big of a deal. The 360 will continue to reign as the king of consoles. You see they sent sony back to the drawing boards lol. Unregistered - b, 10.29.2005 01:20 to 84 how u knoe its a great system its not even out yet xxxxxx 10.29.2005 01:42 (deleted by mod - fake poster) Truth 10.29.2005 04:56 It's up to you and only you to weight out the pros and cons of each system and choose from there. Don't let some punk(s) on a forums get to you man, especially ones that openly bash on assinine topics. Like, for instance, calling you a fag. That's ridiculous. I may believe you're biased towards the XBOX 360, but that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to insult you in such a personal matter. However, this is the internet so you're going to have those kinds of people. Oh well, eh? Pass the Jack and ignore the bull. You have great opinions if you'd just be a little more unbiased man. Don't let it get to you, then you're only letting them win. ;) Unregistered - me 10.29.2005 05:31 The world is on the brink of a new terrible war, and you're fighting over game consoles?? grow up please! Vivicious 10.29.2005 07:07 The world is always on the brink of a "terrible new war", so what else is new? :P Vivicious 10.29.2005 07:14 "Emergent Technologies has announced that it is developing a version of its Gamebryo 2.1 game engine for the Playstation 3. Speaking at the Austin Game Conference, Emergent’s president and CEO Geoffrey Selzer stated, “We’re making the technology, tools and middleware that we believe will usher in the next phase of innovation in game development and game play […] The next generation of games will require greater innovation while facing increased complexity and costs of development. We are driving the state of the art of game development, offering visibility into and control of the development process.” Emergent’s most significant competitor in the next-gen game engine market is Epic Games, creators of Unreal Engine 3. Epic has already created Xbox 360 and PS3 compatible versions of its next-gen game engine, and boasts such licensees as Namco, Midway and Microsoft Game Studios. Emergent has released an Xbox 360 compatible version of Gamebryo 2.1, and it has currently been used as the basis for at least one Xbox 360 title: Bethesda has based their launch window title “Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion” on the next-gen game engine." This is great news, as Gamebryo has always been an awesome and well used engine in the past. One of the most promising next-gen engines, besides engines like the up and coming FC Engine. Unregistered - me 10.29.2005 08:10 come on, haven't you heard? this one will be an atomic war! Iran has threatened israel and the west to total destruction! uncle georgey is going to another war! guaranteed! Unregistered - Punk Street 10.29.2005 11:29 I hear game developers say a lot of things but not everyone is going to agree on certain Issue's, Itagaki say's he want's to make games for the 360 but not everyone in tecmo isn't 100% behind him. If any of you guy's heard of Fatal Frame, the head creative director Shibata and his studio have been making games for the ps2 for quite some time, new studio's are opening for tecmo and not everyone will agree with Itagaki and team Ninja. I know this is old but John Carmack being 100% gung ho on the 360 doesn't mean everyone is in the same boat with him, like I said before one of the Id software developers said that they should see what all the consoles can do for the company. Carmack may be an genius but the Higher Up's decide what the company does and if their are internal problems because of his decision they can find someone else to do his job. I'm not saying that Carmack will be fired but people who don't pull their weight for the good of an company get fired or decide to leave for their own reasons, Alexander Seropian and Ex-bungie employess used to work for Bungie but decided to make wideload games for unorthodox gamers probably because they didn't want to hang onto Halo forever or something else. Ubisoft is has been making multiplatforms and exclusives for both consoles for the last past years they've expanded faster than any game developing company before them in the last 5 years and a lot of video game design programs, colleges, and so on have expanded in Quebec because of Ubisoft. Like I said Before I'm Canadian and when it comes to computer animation and design, Canada is an good environment with that stuff, I'm not saying Canada is the best place for game design talent but I've seen some pro's do wonders with Computer animation and video games. Koei Canada is new and they're making 7 projects besides Fatal Inertia so it's good to hear that new development teams from Canada are getting into the field because it makes me proud to hear it. Canadians are getting into the video game development field, Koei Canada is fairly new and they have an staff of 30 people right now but they plan to have an staff of 150 to 200 people in the years to come. Some of you fanboy's can say whatever you want about my country but Canada is my home and I love my country no matter what anybody say's about it, no country in the world is perfect and all those Canadian joke's don't bother me. I just wanted to blow off some steam for the time being until something new comes up, one of my career options is to do video game and design, if I decide to do it I'll make original games or something fun for gamers. I know what most people would think what I'm saying is stupid but if anybobdy has an dream that they want to pursue the skies the limit on whatever you want to do in life. Punk Street 10.29.2005 11:31 Sorry I made the mistake of not putting the heading for my user name. Unregistered - I hate Xbox/Playstation extremists 10.29.2005 11:38 Despite being a PS3 fan I feel I have to point out that #86 is a diffrent Spartan than the one we are used to. SPARTAN OF 777 and SPARTAN 0F 777 are two diffrent people. OF vs. 0F (O/0) That was one of the better "conversion stories" I have heard here though. Punk Street 10.29.2005 11:41 Damn it I made some spelling errors I should of proofread the whole thing, one thing I hate is to make spelling error's in sentences and paragraphs, well later people I have stuff to do today. Unregistered - Pizza Face 10.29.2005 12:11 Everyone know's theirs a war going on but this is an forum for games, honestly it's up to the government to stop the war not me, even if everyone in Amreica went to the White House and demanded Bush to stop it, he wouldn't listen. Unregistered - OP 10.29.2005 12:13 Well unless he's impeached or his term as president is up he's gone for good. old school with a new twist 10.29.2005 12:43 You're absolutely right man that was by far one of the funniest conversion stories I've read. LOL. As far as this whole war thing goes, Vivicious is right when isn't the world in the brink of a war. Also The US & Israel wouldn't dare mess with Iran. Iran is not Iraq. They don't give a fock. The only thing Israel and the US can do is ask for their removal from the United Nations. Enough about that though lets get back to the topic at hand. P.S. Way to go fake Spartan, the real Spartan is gonna be rip-sh!t about what you did. LOL old school with a new twist 10.29.2005 12:45 Bush will get impeached before his term is over, mark my words. He is one of the worst presidents America has ever had. old school with a new twist 10.29.2005 12:50 This guy should be impeached from the gaming Industry. What an A-hole. http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/140#more-140 Unregistered - sg 10.29.2005 14:36 wats with all these negetive news, is sony getting rid of all their bad news or something. Are they saving the best news for last? PAUL CERULA 10.29.2005 14:40 Number 86 is some moron who almost has the same name as me and I hope that you people realize the difference. I really don't care if this moron continues because it's 3 weeks till launch and I won't be on this site to get my point across nearly as much. This sad kid can do whatever he wants, I will point out as much as I can on which numbers he is. THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.29.2005 15:22 Despite his praise for its increased power, the PS3 wasn’t safe from Rein’s vitriol either - he had the following to say about its controller: “I don’t think anybody knows what the PlayStation 3 controller looks like […] I think we all sure as hell pray like hell it’s not that stupid-looking thing they showed at E3.” Epic Games is currently developing Gears of War for the Xbox 360. LMFAO . THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.29.2005 15:24 http://www.ps3grill.com/ LMFAO AGAIN THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.29.2005 15:28 http://forums.gamedaily.com/lofiversion/index.php?t83257.html THIS ONE IS VERY FUNNY THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.29.2005 15:30 http://img131.echo.cx/img131/4689/ps3controller1rf.png Unregistered - fuuck spartan of 777 10.29.2005 15:38 You really are stu*pid. man stupid post you got there du*mb as*s pu*nk THE MIGHTY B00SH 10.29.2005 16:02 I apologize I'm a total LOSER for being a biased crack head. I only know one game and that's HALO because my uncle Billy raised me locked up in a basement with the xbox and nothing else. I have never heard of Nintendo or PlayStation. But now I'm begining to see the light. I am no longer an 360 fanboy. I'm soo sorry guys for all the headaches I've cause you all. old school with a new twist 10.29.2005 16:12 Hey I kinda like the PS3 controller in that color. Thanks for posting that douche, I mean Boosh. WOW, you must really be in the closet about the PS3, to go out of your way to find picture of it. We all apreciate you doing the research for us and posting it here. Thanks allot douche, damn I'm sorry I keep messing that up. I meant Boosh. Unregistered - Pizza Face 10.29.2005 17:26 Spartan #1 and Mighty boosh I'm glad to say this but when you two get your consoles it'll be an God sent that you two are finaly gone because no one here really cares about what you two think anymore. Unregistered - Pizza Face 10.29.2005 17:27 Mighty boosh are you being sarcatic or something because if you are it's not funny. Unregistered - Pizza Face 10.29.2005 17:28 Mighty boosh are you being sarcastic or something because if you are it's not funny. Punk Street 10.29.2005 17:55 I'm back after doing my errand's but seriously I give concrete evidence all the time, so I don't care what any of you guy's think of me, like I said before I'm not an fanboy for any console I only care about the games. I've been through four consoles which are the NES, Super NES, the Sega Genesis , and I've played the N64 at my friends house so I really can't be considered a fanboy. Soul Calibur 3 and Resident Evil 4 are next on my list to buy so that should give me alot to do in my free time when I play them and some of the things you guy's say piss me off sometimes but I usually scroll down the page. I'm sensetive about my nationality, but only because I have to hear sterotypes all the time while living in florida, my family is the most important thing to me and I'll do anything to help them out. Punk Street 10.29.2005 17:56 Oh the original Ps one as well. Unregistered - Sony Fanatic 10.29.2005 18:06 You xbots are really a bunch of pathetic losers. all the day you search and try to find something negative about ps3. your xtoy 1.5 is coming in 23 days,so go and prepare the money! PS3 will crush the competition like a bug don't forget! go and when you found a game on xtoy 1.5 with 50% of MGS4 graphics, then come back here and talk about it. Punk Street 10.29.2005 18:17 Yeah I have to agree with Pizza Face it'll be good when those two get their console and their gone for good, they don't bother me but it's better for them to leave because their annoying everyone else. Unregistered - XBOX 360 10.29.2005 18:45 lol at the cell processor, man the ps2 had the emotion engine and all that good stuff and it was 128bit processor and promised toy story like graphics haa. where as the original xbox had a 32 bit processor and still blew the ps2 clean out of the water. so ps3 bragging about a cell processor doesnt hold no water with me. It'll be the same thing all over again. The xbox 360 is going to once again blow the ps3 clean out of the water it's a fact. Sony promises you all this hi tech stuff and you get a watered down version of it. No its not a surprise that the ps3 is not totally bc, nor would the 360 but who cares because the one's that dont play you probably wont play or even like anyway. XBOX 360 for me is the better choice. dont get me wrong I still love my ps2 but sony has shown it's colors and they have a habbit of over hyping its ps products and honestly what the hell can they do that m$ can't. The way I see M$ got sony on the ropes and you all know it. Let's hear for the 360!!!! Unregistered - X-flop 1.5 10.29.2005 18:50 ONE WORD FOR YOU: XFLOP 1.5 Unregistered - Mighty Boom 10.29.2005 18:54 Dude your a major loser!!!!! Unregistered - Sony Fanatic 10.29.2005 19:12 Who are you to undermine the Cell cpu? i know, it's the best way to justify your weakness,to ignore the truth. you say we must not believe the official PS3 specs but believe any nonsense that bill gates says? like the last one(damage control) that he said optical storage will be gone after blu-ray and hd-dvd? what a loser he is! all the industry is laughing at the old freak! he think we are living in year 2100 and all of the world have ultra high broadband internet connection! even in the U.S only half of the internet users have broadband! and that is why online service is not as important as microsoft tries to tell gamers it is! Nodieza 10.29.2005 19:18 Next time you guys read Ign, Gamespot and etc. articles think about this article posted below. Good stuff on how they just want internet traffic so they'll post bs. "http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=3&m_articles_articleid=230&PHPSESSID=b5347b4a141f603e0622603200dce38a" Vivicious, The Comment made about Ken being crazy and you ignoring my posts has made me lose respect for you, I happen to notice a difference between 60 and 85 frames quite easily so don't be to quick to snap your jaws, you get spoiled by what your use to and 85fps spoiled me and I am sure 120 will too if Ken isn't bs'ing which I doubt he is. Unregistered - Pizza Face 10.29.2005 20:03 I downloaded this Japanese Cell Demonstration on tv tokyo or some other channel and they were showing a cell demonstration and it seem's it's pretty big down there, Steve Jobs was disapointed in the design of the cell. Steve Job's is pretty stupid sometimes I bet whenever someone put's their foot in the door with something innovative for Apple the guy probably thinks it's a bad idea. Microsoft saying that the Xbox was the best console when the disk drive broke down was a big disapointment for their first try than the emotion chip, my ps2 works perfectly but if it didn't work properly I could go to Game Stop and they would send it Sony to get it fixed and I would get it back working brand new. Honestly Vivicious Kaz Hirai isn't the only one acting like a jerk, I was watching G4 tv and some Microsoft marketing Excutive said that the blu-ray disk would be $1000 bucks, Kevin Pieara on Attack of the Show put that guy in his place on the next show for the viewers. Kim Soon the president of the Xbox American Main branch said that Sony was going overkill with the blu-ray's in an interview article in game informer, Itagaki and John Carmack are no better either. People do yourselves a favor and don't listen to the big wigs because they don't work for either company and they don't know what their competition is doing with their products. Personally I think some of you guy's need to chill out and buy whatever you want, Xbox fanboy's you want your console and the Sony fanboy's want their console and they don't seem to care what you Xbox fanboys have to say period. Unregistered - meoow 10.29.2005 20:37 your having a laugh aint you, wooooooohoooooooo, use your brain "k" talks smack because he needs some media coverage coz of the upcoming 360 launch, you sony boys will believe anything. emotion engine anyone, HAAAAA. Unregistered - meoow 10.29.2005 20:40 also to the chump who said he can see a difference @ 85fps, you must be super human coz anything over 72fps is pointless, the human eye will NOT recognize it you moron. Vivicious 10.29.2005 20:46 Nodieza, ignoring your posts? Explain. And come on now, Ken saying such things is hopefully brought out of context, because there is no way a human being can notice a difference in that kind of fps. He is also pretty vague about it, as the graphical quality isn't an issue (I'm sure the PS2 can run PacMan at 800 fps :P). The only way it could be an asset is that if you have your game running at 120 fps, and there's a frame drop...you won't notice it. Unregistered - XBOX 360 10.29.2005 21:41 lOl, who am I to undermine the cell? What is the cell that I shouldnt? No let me answer that last part for you. The cell is an over hyped and underpermance sony product once again spewed out of the mouth of a japanese mad man that will do anything to sell units. As for who I am, im a concerend consumer who choses to spend his dollars wisely. Now you say that the internet is not all that m$ is making it out to be then ask yourself if you truly believe that. Why is sony trying so hard to emmulate it then (ms's online service)? Because they know that Microsoft is doing a way better job then sony is and on top of that having a top notch online service like live would push the 360 over the top in over all performance. Yeah I know the truth hurt dont it. DEAL WITH IT.. |