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19 Oct 2005 12:17 | Dusty | Playstation 3 | Xbox 360 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
John Carmack, id Software's coding genius has in a recent interview shown on G4tv made some statements regarding the PS3 Vs Xbox 360 issue. Though this is only the opinion of a high profile programmer, his opinion should be a lot more valid than the millions of forum posts on the subject. Basically he says that the PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 has better development tools and is his preferred console to develop for. "I make little nitpicky decisions about say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has over the asymmetric Cell approach, but you can do great games on either one of them, and I make fundamental decisions based on development tools and depth of documentation, which Microsoft has been superior on," he added. When speaking about the power of the hardware Carmack said that "the hardware is comparable" but went on to say that "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful, in terms of raw flops and graphic operations.” But according to Carmack having the better development tools is more important. "When you look at these development cycles that stretch over years and years, being 20% easier to develop on is much more important than being 20% more powerful", Carmack said. However, if we had asked Kojima if the PS3 development tools are inferior to those available for the 360, we would probably get a different answer. Add Comment  1 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.19.2005 12:21 Carmack is partially right. The theoretical output of the PS3 is greater. However, Hardocp.com, Tomshardware, Arstechnica, Anandtech (the list continues) have all stated that the GPU in the 360 is more powerful than the GPU in the PS3. Remember people, Carmack is in the Nvidia camp and will promote them whenever possible, he is not a neutral player. Nvidia endorsed Doom 3, ATi endorsed Half-Life 2. Any questions? 2 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:21 It's only logical he'll say this after choosing the X360 as his main developing platform, but his opinion should def. be respected. I doubt there is a more talented programmer on the face of this earth in any case. :P 3 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.19.2005 12:23 Also don't forget that he stated that the easier to program for is better than the slightly more powerful hardware. That was his way of stating the Xbox 360 is more powerful in the end, WITHOUT upsetting his Nvidia endorsement partners. Either way you want to look at it, he said in the end that the 360 will be better. 4 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:31 You're really overdoing it, he wouldn't be so biased as to support NVIDIA without cause, at the time of Doom 3 nvidia seemed to be making the best progress, at least in the direction that he wanted. At the moment, probably because of ATI's Unified Shader Architecture, he seems to prefer the direction ATI has taken, so biased he is not. He just wants what is best for HIM. 5 -
ViviciousMaleficus the Great 10.19.2005 12:36 In your #2 comment, you said that you doubt if there is a better programmer than John Carmack. Forgive me if I sound like a total noob, but could you tell me what games he programmed? 6 -
Unregistered - Like it or not... 10.19.2005 12:39 What is best for HIM is OpenGl since all his games are made in OpenGl. Not to mention the history of support from Nvidia and the Partnership that Nvidia and ID software have. Of course it doesn't matter, because in a round about way, he said that the 360 will pull off better stuff simply due to ease of programming. 7 -
Unregistered - Games 10.19.2005 12:39 He makes engines, not games. 8 -
Unregistered - boo 10.19.2005 12:42 yes and games are built from the engines up. so you need an engine first. 9 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:50 Exactly, what #6 says is the reason he first (and most possibily still will, at least on PC) supported Nvidia, he has said in the past he prefers OpenGL, and every game of his has been built using OpenGL. He looks at what is best for himself at the moment, not just because it's from Nvidia or ATI. Carmack was the lead programmer (and with lead in this case, I mean he's one of the few at ID that knows what he's talking about. I've seen interviews with other employees that just lose him eventually :P) for all the Quake Engines, older games like Wolf3D, Doom (Doom 3 Engine), etc. 10 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:53 "he's one of the few at ID that knows what he's talking about" That didn't come out right, sounds like I'm putting down the rest of the team over at ID, what I meant with it is that when Carmack really get's into things, it's hard to follow, even for the guys over at ID ;-) 11 -
Havoc 10.19.2005 13:24 It's not a surprise that the xbox 360 would be on the easier side for developing. As long as the ps3 is easier to develope for than the ps2 there should be no big problem. 12 -
WrongUnregistered - Project86 10.19.2005 13:32 um...i think u guys are taking his words a little biased. I can tell majority of u are xbox fans over ps, but what he said is the ps3 is more powerful, but the xbox is easier to develop for. He wasn't doing a round about way of saying the xbox is more powerful he was just saying it's less powerful, but it has a better chance of coming out on top b/c it is easier to develop for. 13 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 13:41 And it seems odd he could be so conclusive about it, seeing as PS3's developing tools prob. aren't even definite yet. 14 -
akumas rebirthUnregistered - akumas rebirth 10.19.2005 13:46 well what makes this guy stand out from the rest of the dev, is just one guy out of how many dev that say ps3 is more powerful. you never know his me be with nvidia. 15 -
to jason henryHavoc 10.19.2005 13:48 What are you talking about read what he says carefully. He doesn't say the 360 will pull off better stuff because it is easier to develope for. It is not difficult to understand what he is saying, he's saying is that if you want to pull off a game with good graphics on both consoles it would be easier on the 360 but if you want better graphics you will have to work harder to do it on the ps3 but it won't be like hell developing on the ps3 like it was for the ps2. It makes since why sony wants developers to put effort into their games so you can distinguish the power between the ps3 from the 360. 16 -
Gill 10.19.2005 14:11 First off, I am an avid X box fan. However, this is one guys opinion. I'm sure that once development swings into high gear for PS3 games, that there will be developers who have no trouble developing for the PS3 and probably some that even think it is easier to develop for. In the end, it will all probably be a wash. Sony will probably still have the larger market share, but by a smaller margin and both systems will make their respective parent companies a great deal of money. The only company (my opinion) that is in real trouble is Nintendo. They keep going farther and farther from what most people want in a gaming system and only the hard core Nintendo fans are going to want the Revolution. 17 -
Havoc 10.19.2005 14:20 well that is what nintendo wants which is to stay out of the console war. They are not looking to be the most powerful system or to be number one and this is why they're going to be in last place because they are considered apart of this console war whether they like it or not. 18 -
to havocGill 10.19.2005 14:24 You think that is what Nintendo wants or did they realize that they have no chance against the other two and just give up and use not wanting to compete in the console wars as an excuse? 19 -
to gillHavoc 10.19.2005 14:31 yea I think they just gave up. I feel kin of sorry for them though. 20 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 14:45 It's not really giving up though. They look at their chances, and decide what their best options would be. It seems they've found their "niche" and I don't think we have to worry about their marketing researchers. They know what they're doing. 21 -
good and bad for both ..........Unregistered - g 10.19.2005 14:45 this is good news for both consoles.the xbox360 will be easy to dev for. games would be made faster than ps3's so it's gonna have (in my opion) more games. as for ps3, companies that used to make games most for them which were not that good will have to re-think about making games becuase of their low badgets and becuase the ps3 is expensive to dev for 22 -
to havocGill 10.19.2005 14:48 Yeah, I feel sorry for them too. They really were the first ones to make a giant leap in console gaming. Now its gimmicks and rehashed titles 23 -
Unregistered - ps3rocks 10.19.2005 15:04 Here come the xbox fanboys. 24 -
Unregistered - ok 10.19.2005 15:09 Ok ps3 is like ps1 dev need 1 game running real time and they will make games for it just like the ps1. Because dev want to creat not just a game but art and the ps3 can do that for them. simple as that! 25 -
xbox 360Unregistered - xbox 360 10.19.2005 15:13 Xbox 360 for me, no disrespect to Sony. 26 -
hymm art ?Unregistered - g 10.19.2005 15:16 keep in mind that becuase of the great leap in technelogy you will need more artist for you art to depth to you character and inveroments. that applies to both consoles 27 -
they should have had multiple develpors opinionsUnregistered - poppa smurf 10.19.2005 15:17 I think if they would have had atleast four other developers as well as this guy and asked them their views I think we would get diverse answers and opinions this is just one guy. 28 -
to comment 23Havoc 10.19.2005 15:24 Who cares, what they got to say we all ready knew more than likly that the 360 would be easier to develope for. Developers will still make their game on ps3. There will also be developers who didn't make games on the ps2 because of its graphics power that will make games on the ps3 now. 29 -
Unregistered - .. 10.19.2005 15:24 we have noe seen anything we have 6 months before the ps3 comes out xbox360 very soon so we really not seen anything yet to tell us who is better, alot of crapy games that dont look good or less games that look good and play good. 30 -
Unregistered - to # 28 10.19.2005 15:27 True but you know what happens when they get a good news they go crazy. 31 -
H3Y ! L00k @ M3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Unregistered - This is The End. 10.19.2005 15:28 "Though this is only the opinion..." And so it is said.... this is only the OPINION of one person....... So...... Either way you look at this, Opinions can't be based on 'Hard' facts...... Sony Vs Xbox.... Yeh. 32 -
PAUL CERULA 10.19.2005 16:17 I for one don't buy a console just because it performs slightly stronger and has different parts that do the same function. I believe that the only unique revolutionary thing going for the ps3 that has some value is the blu-ray. But I could care less about switching DVD's -- in return to get a cheaper console, better online, and better games(just what I prefer). 33 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 16:37 Blu-ray is in no way "revolutionary", it's not going to be like VHS --> DVD which was even hardly revolutionary. If anything, I'd say Cell is revolutionary, as I'm sure it will be used for applications outside of the PS3. 34 -
Unregistered - Tony 10.19.2005 16:46 If it is so easy to develop games to XO, why the hell we have only seen crappy games with crappy framerate. 35 -
#34PAUL CERULA 10.19.2005 16:58 #34, because it's the beginning, launch titles always suck graphically compared to games later developed. Look at halo 1, just cause its a good example, and everyone thought those graphics were incredible and beyond anything at that time. Now halo 2 blew halo 1 away making insane graphical leaps. This is just a good example. Launch titles 3 years from now will be considered pretty bad graphically and other gameplay aspects, that's just how it goes. 36 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 17:03 I just don't f*cking get it, honestly, why are you 360 fans so in a rush to talk about the PS3. Vivicious and Spartan, waht the f*ck is wrong with ya'll. You hate the PS3, ok we f*cking get it, now can you go to a 360 site and post about how this doesn't matter, about how the 360 wil beat Sony. We don't give a f*ck out here.So pop off, ya'll just like a pair of hoes. Sony is not selling d*ck. 37 -
Unregistered - :) 10.19.2005 17:05 John Carmack is lazy, thats why he chose the xbox360 :) 38 -
#36PAUL CERULA 10.19.2005 17:14 #36 really from my part I don't hate the ps3 or Sony. Once upon a time the first console I bought was the ps2. After continuing frustration seeing the xbox's performance and after playing halo 1 once I sold my Ps2 and got the xbox with halo. And never looked back. That kind of tells you how I got wrapped up in the ps2, ignoring other options. I don't want that to happen with other people, just going with the bigger known company for consoles, rather than buying what is best for you. Don't ask me or anyother xbox people to leave because you know it isn't going to happen. 39 -
to #34Unregistered - d'uh! 10.19.2005 17:14 Because its easy to cut and paste crappy current gen games to XO. With the Ps3 u actually have to get to work and develop them! 40 -
Give it a Rest!Unregistered - CJ 10.19.2005 17:17 Sony is at least six months behind Microsoft in just about every catagory imaginable ( catagories like how to marketing, final system packaging, games, pricing, etc...) You can't compare the two until the systems are fully out and have gone through their release stage. Also, blu-ray is revolutionary as far as game platforms go. Can you imagine not only getting Madden 2006 but having enough room to ship an entire collection of music tracks or even albums and still have enough room to add way more content to the Career mode. Sony system may not be dramatically better than Xbox360 but ask any programmer the more storage space to play with the better( assuming the programmers don't waste it). This goes right along with the what programmers wanted in memory. Microsoft listened and gave them what they wanted in memory but settle for out of date technology for a storage medium. When programmers start to get efficient at programming for both consoles the question will come down to how much room we have to put our amazing looking game on. I betting that in three years to achieve the same level of performance on the Xbox360, the Sony will ship on one blu-ray disk while Xbox360 will come on two disks. If anybody starts suggesting Microsoft will sell add-on HD/DVD or Blu-ray through usb are going to be disappointed. USB still does not compare in speed to a internally connect peripheral device and transfer rates will suck. Then there is the added bulk of a second device. Fair bet that Sony will be sticking around for a long time and Microsoft will be left with the scrapes - again. Hey my dog does complain about the scrapes I fed him - he would like bigger helpings. Perhaps this is could be applied to Microsoft now - we shall see. 41 -
Yeah, whatever.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:24 This isn't my main concern right now. Slightly out of topic, but if you want to argue then please go jump off a cliff. Why the hell are they taking all the DMC4 trailers and images off the internet!? Whats going on? 42 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 17:30 Spartan, don't you f*cking get it, you're not converting anybody, how many have said Oh yeah Sony f*cked up, now we're going with the 360, none, save your breath to admire your 360 when it comes out. It won't be long don't you see that everywhere you go that doesn't carry a Sony or a 360 name to it, people are like "I'm waiting for the PS3" What don't you get, your cause is hopeless, The PS3 is straight up superior and the majority of people are waiting for it, i think that after E3 and TGS you saw that MS is in real trouble and now you're desperate. About that guy (he looks like a d*ck anyway with his f*cked up eyes behind the glasses, saying that the 360 has better dev tools, didn't they have it last time, and what happened? Maybe you can answer that damn question since you're so in front saying that the PS3 will follow the path of the PS2. 43 -
Uhhm, dude. If I could high-five you I would.Unregistered - Honest Abe. 10.19.2005 17:32 Ps3Player, you just made the statement I've been trying to say throughout all the topics on this site really stick out. In n00bish talk, you just pwn'd his ass. 44 -
ps3 will ruleUnregistered - ps3 will rule 10.19.2005 17:36 ps3 isn't out yet,how can someone speak about it's dev tools?? at this time, ofcourse the dev tools of 360 are complete because it's coming soon, but how does he know about ps3? 45 -
To all you little flat faced pea brained dipstick fanboys.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:37 Don't you friggin get it yet you queers? I don't know if you've realized, but Ps3 and Xbox360 AREN'T RELEASED you jackasses! Why the hell are you slapping each other over what ones better if only the makers have tested the games out!? You jerks probably haven't even seen a controller for the system you support let alone have played the games. So, everything you say is completely useless and foolish! Spartan you aren't converting crap right now. You're just making yourself look like a man in a pink too-too trying to convert people with copied and pasted assey information off of Wikipedia. So you people should just shove your little dipstick information sources right up your ass and shut the hell up! This is enough! Wait until the friggin system is released before you fight over it. God, you're acting like children. 46 -
PS3 PLAYER KICKS ASS!!Unregistered - ps3 will rule 10.19.2005 17:38 Keep it up man , your posts are awesome. 47 -
And before I get ambushed by you Xbox queers...Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:41 Let me tell you that I am a gamer. I'm not a fan of ether side, but this time I know Ps3 is gonna own. And so is the Xbox360. Why can't you little assholes just realize that and just be normal!? And Ps3fan you rock. Oorah to your posts boy. 48 -
And before I get ambushed by you Xbox queers...Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:42 Let me tell you that I am a gamer. I'm not a fan of ether side, but this time I know Ps3 is gonna own. And so is the Xbox360. Why can't you little assholes just realize that and just be normal!? And Ps3fan you rock. Oorah to your posts boy. 49 -
Unregistered - duh! 10.19.2005 17:46 Its easy for jonh Carmack to develop on the 360 since its nothing new (much like a powerful PC) its probably easier and less expensive for ID software to adapt their engine for the 360... if its that hard to develop for the ps3 well i think its good, it proves that the ps3 is trully next gen stuff... 50 -
to Spartan # 38Unregistered - Mathoss 10.19.2005 17:51 You must finishe the story, and then they were two, so you bought the xbox360 and were verry happy until a year later the PS3 came out with better performance so you sold your XBOX360 to buy an PS3.... Just pulling your leg buddy... 51 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:03 This guy don't even have a PS3 tool dev kits but somehow he knows that the 360 has 20 % better dev kits, give me break, how about switching the eyes first, he look like a retard. This is what i'm talking about, these guys at Microsoft think that they can upgrade their graphic chip, give a little more power, upgrade their online strategy "Oh now you can start a business over Live" What the f*ck is that, we're here for games and good games, not marketing stuff. Guys you have not really seen the power of the PS3until you look at the latest PSM screenshots of the PS3 and you'll be stunned i mean really stunned. At least Sony is going to great length to introduce something new. Microsoft is taking us for fools(Gears of war, yeah it looks nice, but does it leave that effect MGS4 leaves, no way, most of GoW takes place in the dark, so lots of shadow always stand out, but my Gosh to even compare that to MGS4 or DMC4, so far what i have seen from these games... man i can't even describe it, you have to feel it). And i thought i saw a guy comparing Halo to MGS4, are you sick? Yes the Halo franchise might have sold 8 million copies but to compare it to the mighty MGS series is suicidal, MGS1 alone sold more than 6 million units now combined that number with MGS2 & MGS3 and tell me where Halo stands. 52 -
You're right ps3fan.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 18:09 And to prove his matters more about Microsoft being nothing more then a group of cheap bastards, wheres the Sony guy standing there like a retard saying Xbox will have better games but Ps3 has a better graphics? Sony would never go as low as that. Ever. Xbox360 is nothing more then a powerful computer. Oh, and if you spend a good 10K on computer hardware you can already have a machine the strength of the 360. But the hardware for Ps3 is Next-gen. Can't do that with Ps3. Xbox360 is nothing more then a hype machine. Just like their older one. So what, that one had a better dev kit too. Why don't you open your faggot eyes and see what happened you guys. 53 -
Yup!Unregistered - ?????????? 10.19.2005 18:14 This guy is the biggest dou che in the world. Everyone new the 360 was gona be hella easy to develope for just like the Ps3 is gona have better graphics. Im sorry. I dont see the big news here. 54 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:14 Spartan, that story is funny, you bought a PS2 sold it and bought an Xbox, you will buy a 360 and you'll sell it to buy a PS3, THE END. Why can't you be still. Now the moral of the story is "Spartan is a FLIP FLOPPER". 55 -
viviciousUnregistered - maccdaddy 10.19.2005 18:16 i hope your wrong about the ps3 developing tools not being done yet because the sony ps3 are scheduled to come out spring of next year. They should be done or really close to it by now. 56 -
52Unregistered - hmmmm 10.19.2005 18:17 52. What are you blabbering about. If you gave me 10k i guarantee you i could build you a Ps3. For the record, there both hype machines seeing how neither has been released. 57 -
I agreeUnregistered - ig 10.19.2005 18:22 I agree 56. I'd build you 2 for 10k though and then keep the rest for myself. 58 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:23 Why should Sony have theirs now , when MS shipped theirs just before TGS, thats two months before the 360 launch, pick yourself up, you're blindly telling everyone, everything MS does is a good thing. Now i don't expect Sony to have tehm til December or even January, i'm not blindly writing sh*t. Now the moral of that story is "Don't talk when your head is in Bill Gates's a*s" 59 -
# 51 and 52Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.19.2005 18:31 not to be rude, but # 51 how can you sit there and decide what kind of FEELING gears of war has and MGS4 has like you played them? Your basically saying something that is biased and wrong. For instance i have a better feel for Gears of war than MGS4. and # 52, the first xbox wasnt a hype machine. Neither is the xbox 360. unlike sony, microsoft only showed what their system was capable of by showing gameplay. If anything the ps3 is a hype machine. One more thing, yes you are right honest abe, you can spend 10,000 dollars on a computer to get graphics almost as good as the xbox 360 and the ps3, but why does that even matter? wouldnt you rather pay 400 for a system than 10,000 on a computer? He never said the xbox 360 was going to be horrible and he never said how much better the ps3 was better in terms of graphics. again, im not being rude. 60 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:43 How More Dumb Can You Be "how can you sit there and decide what kind of FEELING gears of war has and MGS4 has like you played them? Your basically saying something that is biased and wrong. For instance i have a better feel for Gears of war than MGS4." Did you even reread it before you post it. First off 1) Since when did people have to play a game to feel somthing about it, visuals has feeling too, maybe you're f*cking blind which if you were you wouldn't know anything about videogames at all 2) This is the funniest part of what you posted, i can you say to me that i must play the game first in order to feel something (which in itself is already dumb) while you're feeling for Gears of War even though you haven't play it yet. Now the moral of that story is "Stop being an hypocrite and an imbecile." 61 -
ps3 playerUnregistered - maccdaddysECOND OF ALL 10.19.2005 18:52 i wasnt saying that MGS4 didnt have feeling for some people, i was saying that it isnt that way for everybody like you made it seem. Second of all, i wasnt saying that i had any feeling for gears of war i was giving an example of what your were doing. I wouldnt how how good the game was until i played it. By the way im only 14 and i didnt resort to name calling... wow dont you feel like a real man. And i wasnt putting down you opinion about mgs4 just so you know. 62 -
Ah... Spartan -----Unregistered - AH 10.19.2005 18:53 "Better online, and better games(just what I prefer)." Ah... Did you know that SCEI apprently is making a very idenitcal system as Xbox Live's setup...? and... what ... great list of Xbox games are there besides *Ninga Gaiden and Halo... Just... wondering cause i got Xbox and Ps2... where Ps2 has the better greatest hits... Xbox makes up for performance... so yeh kinda.. kinda odd with ur opinion... ? but whatever... ! 63 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 18:56 Any objective gamer shouldn't even read that PS3player's posts, he acts like a complete ass on whatever site he posts on. We get it by now people, Spartan is an xbox fanboy, and PS3player is a PS3 fanboy (what a shocking conclusion with a name like that.) It's no big deal or anything, just quit flaming the whole god damn time with useless drivel you have no way of proving! And get your info together: In mid- to late-August, IGN learned, developers received the Final Development Kits, three months prior to launch. This is pretty much standard. And macdaddy, PS3 is also pretty much on scheduele, it's normal that they don't have the final dev kits yet. They are just about to ship the beta dev kits, about 6 months before the estimated Japanese launch, which is about the same as the X360 (June), so I'm sure they'll have more than enough time to optimize the performance of their games. Actually, X360 was a few weeks late even, which explains the disapointing E3, but the updated beta dev kits of the X360 got pretty close to the final product. So I think we can expect some great stuff from Sony's PS3 before the X360 is launched. 64 -
Well this does it...Unregistered - Bob 10.19.2005 18:59 After hearing everything about how much the PS3 is going downhill I'm officially switching to Xbox and Microsoft. XBox was superior to PS2 in every way (graphics, gameplay, games, online) but I tried to stay loyal to Sony because I owned their console and couldn't afford to buy an XBox too. I kept telling myself "PS3 will be better". Now I know that PS3 isn't going to be able to keep up to Microsoft. The 360 is looking great... it's just as powerful as the PS3 (or close to it) but it has way more functionality, developers like it more because it has a software giant backing it up with dev tools, etc, AND XBox live is just so much superior to anything else. There's no way Sony can make an online service even remotely comparable to Live! (I'm just being honest... remember... I'm a "Sony fanboy" who's only just starting to see the light.) Microsoft - you've convinced me. This gamer is no longer going to support Sony's sinking ship. 65 -
Bah...Retard 10.19.2005 19:01 Hmmm... Hail to the Retard.... Hmmm, is anyone interested in PlayStation 3 in here? Seems... like there are alot of people who like Xbox 360... :D 66 -
VivicousUnregistered - maccdaddy 10.19.2005 19:06 hey man your pretty cool and thanks for not getting mad about my post. Also, thanks for the information about ps3player. i know now not to listen to him.I have a xbox 360 on reserve but im also thinking about getting a ps3 too when it comes out so i can have the best of both worlds. 67 -
#62Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:07 If you're looking for some great Xbox titles, I reccomend: Jade Empire, Chronicles of Riddick, Splinter Cell series, PGR2, Rallisport Challenge 1+2, Crimson Skies, KOTOR, FC: Instincts, Fable, Top Spin, DOA 3, MechAssault 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta (!) and Forza Motorsport. Those are some titles I'd really recommend, especially if you can find them cheap somewhere, all top of the line. I'm sure you know most of the PS2's best titles, as this is a PS related site ;-) Current addictions: God of War, FC:Instincts, Shadow of the Colossus and anxiously awaiting Ninja Gaiden Black (Probably the hardest console game to date, followed by games like Metal Slug). 68 -
# 65Retard 10.19.2005 19:07 Just a thought but... Look at the consoles in the past that came out they were normally either weaker then it's rival ... But... looking at the systems now it doesn't seems to be a graphic's/CPU problem because there'll only be a slight differnce between the two... it just seems to me that it'll be an issue on what they'll can provide (i.e. Hard Drives Xbox 360 -i think-) + (PlayStation 3 Blu-Ray and BlueTooth) and... well... Game titles ! ~Just a thought, don't bash the retards opinion ! :) 69 -
#64Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:09 Get real, you're not convincing anyone with your whole "converted" speech, it's pretty obvious you were an Xbox fanboy to begin with :P Anyway, any self respecting gamer would be clutching the PS2 to his chest and a copy of Shadow of the Colossus at the moment if he had the chance. 70 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:11 Retard, you're def. right about the games, it will always come down to that. The most ideal is all of the available platforms of course, but with a limited budget you should be looking at the games in the first place. I think there is a large group of people here that realise that, they're just drowned out by the endless droning of all the Xbox/PS fanboys. :-) 71 -
Unregistered - melly 10.19.2005 19:17 i heard that at the 22-30 event in japan sony will have playable demo running on 3 cell chip, sorry for being off topic. but sony has it that the febuary event will be a surprise, my uncle which work for sony computer entainment america, says that they will relese the price and will release the ps3 at a secret launce date, march 11 2006. 72 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:24 Sorry buddy, but the beginning of March isn't very realistic. Seeing as they have yet to release the beta kits, though it should be any day now (maybe already started shipping them out, I think so), the final dev kits will have not been around long enough and they would have close to no games done, or just completely rushed and we don't want that. 73 -
this is getting ridiculous!Unregistered - Sony Fan 10.19.2005 19:25 we're fighting with each other for months and it never ends. let anyone goes his way and see what happens. i believe that PS3 will be the superior godlike console and don't want to waste my money on 360. i can buy 10 PS3 games with that money. Spartan and Vivicious say otherwise,they can go their own way. let's finish this here and wait for the future events! 74 -
the debateUnregistered - ares 10.19.2005 19:35 well im getting a 360 and hopefully the ps3 on launch day as well. I'm not to concerned about the 360 b/c even though it doesn't have blue-ray(by the way i think it is a big adv. to have more storage space) it does hhave xbox live which will allow for the downloadable content that may have not had been put on limited disk space. Im not concerned about the PS3's performance b/c Sony makes a hella of a console, but i am kinda concerned about the rumors of difficult and expensive development. More so the expensive! I for one am a gamer who does find enjoyment out of playing what some would call crappy games. That being said i hope sony doesnt limit itself to its blockbuster titles and leave little guys behind. 75 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 19:36 Vivicious, why do you have to mention my name for. See now Spartan is laying low, but you just won't stop, will you? Let me tell you something homies, straight up, if i were you i would do just like Spartan play cool and don't insult me aight?, eveytime you post i see my name mentioned, well here's some info for you son, it DM AKA DJa, motherf*cker, don't think that cauz you live in the suburb or with mommy and daddy you can't get touched. I've been around, done this done that serve up my time, don't think that because i play videogames i'm a soft motherf*cker like you homie, when it comes to real beef i'll make your day. Relax, be cool 76 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 19:38 People, There you have it, the guy said it himself, that the PS3 is more powerful, and the all out final version of the ps3 is not even complete yet, so that is end of discussion. Also, 360 is easier to dev for, well, the ps3 is still 6 to 7 months away, so its gonna take time to learn it. There is no debate anymore, one of the smartest programmers just told all you fool 360 fans that your system is not as powerful. its only a matter of time when the dev start learning the ins and outs of the ps3. bye bye 360. 77 -
dead wrongUnregistered - ares 10.19.2005 19:43 I hate when ppl say one szstem or the other is going down. Everyone knows Sony wont fall, and for those sony fanboys who think MS will take a good look at zour own forum swarming with Xbots and ppl who want both (myself). if zou think either is goin down in the words of the Notorious BIG your dead wrong. 78 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 19:45 It probably wont go down, but it was just a expression I was using. I'm sure its here to stay. But I just prefer PS3 from what i have seen. 79 -
75Unregistered - wow 10.19.2005 19:48 I understand you may have some sort of problem with vivicious, but honestly when you talk like you do it makes every one assume your twelve...well you might be. I mean what are you gonna do email him a can of whoop ass! Get real or get lost! 80 -
#75Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:49 Wow Ps3player, thanks for that great post, really made me laugh. You also just proved my point and made yourself look like a total idiot. LOL, I can just picture your scrawny figure behind the PC looking up white trash gangster lingo. Who the hell writes like that anyway? Jeez man, you are completely sick in the head, or maybe just a screwed up little kid, either way, stop sticking your foot in your mouth. 81 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 19:50 I know thats right, Lets say even if you are some Hardcore guy, and can kick some serious butt, it jsut sounds dumb acting hardcore over the internet. 82 -
78Unregistered - ares 10.19.2005 19:50 very well, i have nothing against enthusiasm! 83 -
#76Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:51 A bit overdone the way you put it, but I agree, in the long run we should be seeing some more impressive AI and phsysics coming from the PS3. 84 -
ps3player is a gangster?Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:00 whoa! f.ck this! f.ck that! but wait whats this ps3player quote but my GOSH to compare... end quote. HOLY GEE WILICKERS.. GOSH guys i cant take the lords name in vain, but fuk this and that, ive done time. my ass! its clear hes a 13 year old mommas boy haha nice slip FAG! 85 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:04 For the record i was born black and i will die black, motherf*cker, DM Aka Dja. You obviously don't get that you're a p*ssy , in my face you wouldnt even talk son, but now you're acting like you got balls, the only time you ever see nuts is when you getting bang gang, you faggot a*s motherf*cker. Man like i said you want beef all you gotta do is bring, and you better be ready with your motherf*cking crew cauz you're gonna need back up, you little b*tch. You want beef, you can get some, you're talking sh*t about being social and stuff, i ain't talking to impress you here, as a matter of fact i wanna slap the sh*t out of ya, and id' f*cking rip you apart and i don't f*ck if i gotta go to jail (black on white crime motherf*cker it happens all the time), i've been there my man, i ain't scared. 86 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:09 ps3player, please...shut up. your mommy might be calling you downstairs. 87 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:10 That HaHaHa guy, you ready to bring it too, i don't give a f*ck, you think that you can step up to me too, well guess what you better be packed, DM Aka Dja straight up from the streets of BK, you wanna holla, here we go NYC baby, you wanna talk sh*t let's do this. Motherf*cker make i'd make sure that you never again pick up a controller in your life. 88 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:15 Jin Kazama, this ain't no Tekken sh*t, i'm for real man, BK baby straight from the streets of NYC, you want beef too all you gotta do is bring it, well you you're so soft that i'll take you online, when you buy Tekken 6 for the PS3 since it will likely be online, hit me up whenever you see the name "DJAtw" or "Flashspeed" that's my home boy. You're so not major that i don't even wanna take aim at you, you juvenile a*s motherf*cker, go play with your sister. 89 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:18 See how easy it is to have this guy make a fool of himself? I hope everyone is enjoying this guy's posts like I am! My god, how can people be this pathetic, yet are able to work a computer? He must have the IQ of a carrot, to be posting comments like this. I'd also really like to hear all these people that a while ago mentioned PS3player making a good point and stuff. :-) His approval rating must have just gone through the floor. Anyway, as funny as this is, I'd be pretty shocked if this guy doesn't get banned or at least get rid of his posts. I've seen a Mod (Dusty) respond to comments at the X360 affiliate site, do they check it here often? They should really get around to clearing all this crap (PS3player) into the gutter. 90 -
ps3player again!Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:20 While it would be quite interesting to see you in your physical apperance and quite humorous I assume, I neither have the time nor the inclination to do so. 91 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:22 PS3player, I dont think you're a bad guy, you're funny man. Yea, hopefully tekken will be online on the ps3, its gonna be real nice. I'll take you out on that anyday. Bring it. 92 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:24 Wow, that's pretty shocking, you're not disgusted with people like that? Is this standard behaviour in America or....? I'm curious. :P 93 -
Actually....Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:25 i hope ps3player is a real thug. I can see some hood ass gangater sitting in some rotting apartment with an old HP PC that can only run solitare. It'd be funny me thinks. 94 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:26 Nah man, its just funny. 95 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:26 LOL, that was pretty funny. =D Particularly the solitaire part. 96 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:31 i don't care about what people think now, a while ago it was about games, so i was cool, but now it's beef you want, and to me it's between you and me. Out here you talk like George of the Jungle but i bet when your face is in the gutter you'll be looking like a little kitten. Since you're not from the streets you might not get scars but don't think that you're unrechable, unlike you when i talk about guns i ain't talking about clappimg my palms, trying to disrespect me dog, i'll leave your chests full of clips. And don't worry this is no freestyle contest, cauz i don't battle f*gs. 97 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:31 back to the real topic, PS3 is gonna be AWESOME!!! 98 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:34 rrrrrright, enough of that guy, had enough laughs for one night. His posts just seem to be getting more pathetic by the minute. **Ignore mode reactivated** It's been said, but we shouldn't really read anything into this anyway, PS3 still has a long way to go before it's done. 99 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:35 What Topic kid, i thought you wanted to smack me up, what happened? Where you from anyaway, state your hood motherf*cker. 100 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:38 Lol, you think I'm dillusional like you? No, see, I actually realise how much of an idiot you would look like talking trash from behind a computer...I guess you haven't figured that out yet, maybe when you grow up? 101 -
lookUnregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:39 seriously, we don't know who you are, but then again you don't know who we are. And likely those who run their mouths are the one's who are likely to get them shut in real life. So that being said, i have learned through my short 20 yrs here, two of them in the military, that it's best to shoot your enemy from afar. so ps3player if you were looking for perhaps a better alternative than your particularly stupid approach to ppl you've never met there it is. 102 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:39 Oh, just realised you were talking to one of the other people you were threatening through your computer screen. 103 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:40 I doubt he's like this in real life, and if he is, he'll learn soon enough when to keep his mouth shut. That is, if he lives to see his 18th birthday. 104 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:41 State my hood, ahh okay, I just moved to California from detroit, so I guess my Hood would be Los Angeles now. 105 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:42 I think you were supposed to add some flair to that, and at least spice it up a bit with some vulgarities. 106 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:44 Oh yea, ok. I beez from da Detroit city dawg, now I am str8 locked up on deaf row out here on da wes coast, you wanna start some east coast west coast again, i'm down dawg, tupac fah life 107 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:45 Ok, thanks for that. That was pretty damn funny. Anyway, it's fun to keep him on a lead, but somewhere along the line we should stop gunking up the message board. 108 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:46 By the way, I nominate that remark (#106) for the funniest comment on this entire thread. :P 109 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:47 Its over for me. I am done with him, lets talk about the real deal. Ps3 is gonna have some sweet games, just like 360. its going to be a good match. i prefer ps3 110 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:50 Yea, good. I'm really optimistic about both, def. going to need to get the X360 because of several games, same goes for PS3. I'm expecting alot more out of the PS3 than guys like this Carmack are having people believe. Not that he's lying, I just think several people don't see the whole picture. I guess I'll have to scrape the money together somehow. ;-) 111 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:51 Vivicious, i step up to you and what do you have to say "You're a moron" You're simply a p*ssy, so man just save your breath when you find some other young a*s motherf*cker like you, maybe you can talk sh*t to them, but to me you're a small timer, i don't even think you're a man, your reply are wack, somebody slap you and you cry, so you're a church boy, live your little life and die old. Man i should have sign up for the Army last month by now i would be in Iraq or somewhere, not here talking to a small timer like you, i mean common, you don't have any balls you're not even worth one of my punches, you don't have any street credits, what the f*ck am i talking to you about beef for, it's not food, your first line of defense it the police, well f*ck these motherf*ckers too. You know what you never even had a fight in your life, why would i wanna f*ck you up. Chill you've just prove to me how low you're life is. You're a coward to the death. 112 -
i dont know....Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:58 if your army/military comment was directed towards me in anyway, but if it was please don't come talking to me as if i were some gang banging piece of trash. I work for a living and like to consider myself a respectable person, so as much as i'd like to argue with you, b/c i do get some enjoyment out of this for some reason. It would be best if you used your big boy talk. Go ahead try it out... 113 -
SorryUnregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 21:19 Hey I'm Mr. Matthew Henry. I have just returned to my computer office, to find this web pages add comment page minimized on my screen. The name entered in the space was filled PS3player, with a comment that was rather nasty posted below. Curiosly I decided to check what else was posted. It does seem my 15 year old son has been causing your web site some trouble; I apologize for the inconvinience. Mr. Matthew Henry 114 -
funny either wayUnregistered - funnyfunny 10.19.2005 21:29 funny if its a joke, funnier if its true. i'd like to see him talk his way out of that. 115 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 21:31 Well guess what daddy F*ck you, how about that Mathew Henry, f*ck you, and f*ck your wife too, you a*shole, you step out of your office because of what. Your boss wanted a blowjob. Pop off you fake a*s poster. 116 -
Unregistered - huh? 10.19.2005 22:05 what the hell is he trying to say? too pumped up from rage to check his spelling? 117 -
Unregistered - huh? 10.19.2005 22:06 lmao "fake a*s poster" for your information hes a real poster. 118 -
Unregistered - fhxh 10.19.2005 22:39 any1 of u guys getting a 360 or a PS3 give me ur online names so i can vers u =) and mayb beat u + lets be friends 119 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 23:37 Anytime, from Soccom, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Conflict, Resident Evil outbreak, you see the name "Djatw" you can holla and get ready for an a*s whooping or a co-op. You'll find me on the PS3 only, i'm exclusively on PS3. 120 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.19.2005 23:47 Oh you are so hard core, stop it. I'm sure Vivious is just simply terrified by you, as are the rest of us. If you're so bad, what are you on paper for? 121 -
PAUL CERULA 10.20.2005 00:09 Can't we all just learn from each other, that's what forums should be about.... YAH RIGHT - - - 122 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.20.2005 00:12 I ain't no gangster, i don't carry a a blue flag or red flag as far as i'm concerned some of them cats are snakes anyway, i don't get down with them, i don't take crap from any of ya'll,because i know how much i pack, who i roll with and how i get down, harccore isn't it too, i'm not the kind who looks for opportunity to make, me i'm here however it comes it comes, just gotta live with that. I got my crew and we can take of of ya'll down, ya'll think that i'm joking, what you see on TV is different from what you get from the streets. You wanna call me gangster, i ain't down with that i don't jump people and take their money, i don't stand around the corners doing signs selling weeds, no man out here we make crews so that we don't get jumped and smack around for fun,anyway i gotta bounce now, see ya'll tomorrow. 123 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.20.2005 00:28 I figured you weren't in a gang. You are exactly what I thought you were, a fake hiding behind his computer talking big. Why are you leaving? Mommy catch you on the computer after bedtime? It's good that your leaving, now the grown-ups can talk. I'd try a different career path than the military. Last time I checked they didn't allow people like you in (don't ask don't tell, homey). As for you and your crew, I'm sure you get lots of respect at your junior high. You don't know crap about the streets, I've worked them for ten years and seen dozens of little boys like yourself cry for their mommies when the real word reaches out and grabs them. You want people to stop talking crap to you? Stop with the profanity, its a sign of little intelligence and it impresses no one. Kill the threats too. You can't do anything to anyone from your computer. 124 -
muzzleflashUnregistered - eh 10.20.2005 00:50 well said muzzle...well said... 125 -
Don't listen to Carmack Punk Street 10.20.2005 01:25 Does anyone really care what Carkmack has to say, I mean when's the last time the guy actually did a game for a console besides Doom 3 and it's not like the program developers for Sony can't get used to the development tools and dev kits. It's one thing to say that the current technology is easy to develop for right now but times are changing and people have to get used to new technology whether they like it or not because if an individual can't keep up with change they only suffer. If you guys ever watched the "Shawshank Redemption" I forget the old mans name but he hung himself because he was in jail so long, the man basicly couldn't keep up with society when he was out of prison. I'm not saying Sony will fail, but society's changing and the developers are working hard with the things they have that's probably why the ps3 isn't out yet. Spartan your not a game developer so you need to stop with this converting stuff because it's getting old, just because Carmack said that doesn't make him right because the developers have time on their side which is essential. 126 -
Power, Controller, Blu RayUnregistered - TK 10.20.2005 01:29 Mostly the same game engines will run on both. So the same games will run on both (or all three) next gen consoles - except for the exclusive franchises. The Revolution's selling point will be the controller - and it will probably attract most "new" players. The PS3 will have the edge on power - that much is clear, so some of the really good graphics and power hungry games will shine on the PS3. But the biggest selling point of the PS3 will be because it will be a relatively cheap Blu-Ray player that will get many who are looking for "next gen" video titles to buy it as a replacement for the DVD player. This will push the number of hardware sales (especially now that most of the content creators are supporting it. This alone - like the PS2 playing DVD's will push PS3's sales figures. Heck - I bought a PS2 back then because it was a DVD player and for a few bucks more than a DVD player I got a games machine as a bonus. I think the PS2, PSP, DS will rule this festive season (expect price drops, some good titles and plenty of platinum titles at reduced prices). The 360 will most probably have a relatively good launch, but the bulk will be current gen. Then when the Blu-Ray video titles launch, PS3's will sell like hot cakes - not just gamers who will buy it, but people looking for next-gen DVD players. And then the Revolution will hit - and the controller will most probably have everyone talking. The staying power in sales for PS3 will be Blu-Ray playback (introducing a lot of non-gamers to next gen gaming). It will then just depend on if the titles released have an edge over the 360 titles in terms of quality. Expect a *lot* of people who did not read the thing about the 360 requiring the hard disk to play back old XBox games - and whining like hell because the other consoles can play previous gen titles out of the box, an then realising that they are left out with no next gen video playback features (until "next-gen" broadband enables downloading "next gen" video). I will most probably go for the PS3 - because I have quite a bit of PS2 titles that I would not like to throw away, and because it will give me access to Blu-Ray content. Maybe a Revolution after that if the controller gets some real good titles, and lives up to the hype. The 360 just seems to be upgrade of current gen with now new features. Just more of the same, and maybe having to swop DVD's for some titles because storage is too small. Personally I think the 360's lack of support of Blu Ray (and with no real innovation like the Revolution controller) will cause them to lose in the long term. 127 -
Unregistered - adfafdas 10.20.2005 01:38 Play the console for the games not the powerof the system. This is one opinion from one person who says that the ps3 is marginally more powerful but xbox 360 has better dev tools. WHOO| CARES. Just play the damn games. 128 -
Punk Street 10.20.2005 01:40 Seriously don't listen to this guy he's stuck in the past, even if it is true it's not like the game developers won't be able learn how to use the tools in time and honestly who's he to judge whats easy and whats hard. Everyone needs to work hard on what they can do for thier part in society, I don't take favorites and I doubt this guy's 100% right. Video game developers aren't stupid they're learning what to do with the tools for the games and it's not like it'll have an effect on the game, eventually everyone has to start from scracth and learn, that's how life is people. 129 -
The games will still be goodUnregistered - Who cares 10.20.2005 01:54 His one opinion won't effect the ps3 games that's just a bunch of bull once the games are done no amount of development tools can prove if the games are good or not Dave Jeffe worked with what he had to make god of War and it became a hit 130 -
Gamer of the MonthUnregistered - Gin 10.20.2005 02:14 Right now the game developers are taking their time and working with what they have and I gotta say the guys wrong and spartan who really cares if you sold your ps two no one really cares what you have to say anymore so just leave because your just being an annoyance. 131 -
Change is always goodUnregistered - Tarmack 10.20.2005 02:41 I have to disagree with this guy even if he is some so called genius times are changing and just because microsoft makes faster computers does not mean their one hundred percent efficient plus the game developers and sony excutives are working really hard right now and who is he to say what is hard and easy. I mean was it hard for the right brothers to fly a prototype plane in the sky no they worked with what they had and they created the first generation of flight for planes. 132 -
Cell?Unregistered - Truth 10.20.2005 02:59 I think the real hurdle for all next generation game developers will be utilizing the Cell processor. If they can pull it off then I really don't see any way you can logically compare PS3 games and XBOX 360 games. They will both look beautiful, but only PS3 games will be true interactive worlds. The sheer processing power of the Cell will be able to go unparalled things in terms of interactivity and AI, not to mention it is it's own sound and graphics processor in a sense as well. I'm not so much harping the PS3 as I am the Cell chip. I see it doing some things that the XBOX 350 processor just won't be able to pull off. Just my opinion though... 133 -
Ah, does anyone notice...Retard 10.20.2005 06:19 Well, like the guy said it's his opinion... So, there is no hard evidence (if anyone realizes, Cell + the Power5 x3 are both made by IBM!)...either way... We gotta wait till the actual like... Games come out... 134 -
Cell Is Powerful-----------------Unregistered - HaHa 10.20.2005 06:21 Cell's built as a X2 PowerPC/ 8 SPE's- PPES (Local Memory)-1 SPE used for redunacy, this is an incredible Processor. 135 -
good job truth.........Ken Daou 10.20.2005 06:24 I think that youve already said what i was goin to say i mean that the developers are so way talented and they would get advantage of the cells power despite its difficulty to develop for then 1 year later games would incredibly surpass those on the 360...im not a fan-boy but many articles from well famous people proved so.... PEACE!!!! BY THE WAY IM FROM LEBANON.... 136 -
Who here is a cell expert?Unregistered - AT WILL 10.20.2005 08:06 I just want to know how anyone here knows the potential of the cell? This guy from id worked with it and is telling us that the systems are almost equal. Still, everyone knows that games will be so much better on PS3...how is that? Not a fanboy or anything, but I think people should start listening to the facts rather than console hype. This guy from id is not the first one to say that the systems are close, but everyone's reply back is that MS paid them off. How crazy is that? 137 -
Unregistered - Amen 10.20.2005 08:37 Very well said #136 138 -
reply to 136Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.20.2005 09:22 VERY WELL MAN. 139 -
reply to 136Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.20.2005 09:22 VERY WELL SAID MAN 140 -
What if....Mathoss 10.20.2005 09:47 What if the on-line gamming was better on PS3 (It haven't been annouced yet)? What if Sony final dev tool was easier to use? What if SCE develop a game engine so powerfull game compagny with only use that and stop developping? What if Sony decide to push the market by selling the PS3 cheaper than 360? What if Sony pu 1GB of ram? What if the PS3 processor was an 2 PPE 12 SPE 4Ghz cell? Nothing is finished until the FAT LADY sings... Things could change until PS3 come out, and as I stated before i think it will only come out OCT06. OF course we could only say What if Microsoft had a secret ACE in their sleeves? What if Microsoft buys out Sony? Or be ridiculous What if Sony sends GODZILLA out to america to destroy MS... So i just wait and see 141 -
Hey, 136!Retard 10.20.2005 10:04 Wanna know something... There is a slight differnce with Pentium 4 HT and it's Pentium 4 EE (which is a 400$ differnce) but that slight differnce is a major differnce performance wise, and Hype machine... are you saying that both Sony and Xbox are hype machines? Because... the biggest 'Hype up' i've ever seen displayed was with Mircosofts attemp on MTV... Sony with it's impressive slide shows... breathe taking...(sarcasm for the slow people) =D And .. well ... Marketing is always like that when a rival comes out first with it's guns blazing... That's why Sony/Mircosoft make the big bucks (in some cases)! 142 -
Ah, Shocker... Looky ...Retard 10.20.2005 10:18 Go to ... http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12398 ... and read that, Bill Gates states that; Xbox 360 isn't going to have HD DVD... kinda a crunch on memory... 143 -
Unregistered - Silverback 10.20.2005 10:36 Sony has yet to deliver on any of their hype so I see no reason to believe this time around. We all know that Sony has the best hype machine but as far as the best actual console "machine" they have yet to deliver. 144 -
Unregistered - IndicaSativa 10.20.2005 10:36 #140 what is all these what ifs what if this what if that xbox 360 has covered every aspect of your what ifs so y wouldnt you expect a company that is rivaling them to do the same stuff... grow up and realize that all your what ifs are already reality just go with the company that has it already... lol 145 -
Unregistered - IndicaSativa 10.20.2005 10:37 #140 what is all these what ifs what if this what if that xbox 360 has covered every aspect of your what ifs so y wouldnt you expect a company that is rivaling them to do the same stuff... grow up and realize that all your what ifs are already reality just go with the company that has it already... lol 146 -
#141Unregistered - AT WILL 10.20.2005 10:44 Both have a lot of hype, but the problem with Sony and MS fanboys is that they don't pay attention to the facts. The main point is that both systems will be close as far as power goes (especially since it is a marginal difference). Both will have great games, and each systems will have something to add to the market. Still, MS has had a lot of news(facts) regarding its online strategy, games (in real time & playable), and goals. PS3 has not had much backing it except videos and hype. I know the whole MGS demo is going to comeup, but I don't consider that real yet. When they have real stations set up to play with a controller in hand, then I would make my decision. I don't see why the PS3 being slightly stronger makes a difference at all. The PS2 was weaker than the Xbox, but people still love it. Development isn't a real issue since games are going to be made no matter what for both systems. People are making a big deal over nothing. 147 -
Vivicious 10.20.2005 11:01 I agree #146, but you'd be amazed how hard that is to get across to some people. 148 -
# 145Mathoss 10.20.2005 11:09 You moron you didn't get the point. You should learn to read. My point is that PS3 is not finished and could be better at launch then XBOX360 or worst no one knows. And ... What kind of comment " xbox 360 has covered every aspect of your "??? XBOX has corevred the fact that PS3 might have better online or dev tool or be cheaper or have a much faster proc??? before the PS3 is even finalized ??? Mayby you should grown up and learn to expresse yourself in an intelligent way instead of babling. You make no sense, get out of you mom's basement and talk to people cause you have poor communication skills. 149 -
#38 Unregistered - hero 10.20.2005 12:10 you got a xbox because the graphics were better than the ps2, even though the games didn't match up to the ps2's. So are you going to get a ps3 after u get a 360? the ps3 is already proven to be the most powerful of the 2(deep down u want a ps3 thats why your on this site) 150 -
heyUnregistered - TheBlob 10.20.2005 12:11 Dude they cant change the PS3 that much in that shorta time. How are they gonna change a system that they have made totally around from what it is in that short of a time its impossible 2 reasons, 1) it would cost alot 2)how would they make the system work well in that short of a time . 151 -
Oh brotherPunk Street 10.20.2005 12:28 He doesn't speak for every game developer on the planet so who really cares what he has to say thats his opinion if he can't utilize the tools for the ps3, so until February and when the Ps3 lauches worldwide he really can't back up what he's saying until the games come out. 152 -
SpartanPunk Street 10.20.2005 12:44 Spartan I have no idea who you are but like I said before who really cares what you have to say I play games not for the power and I don't give a rats ass about Halo, we all know you'd rather have a Xbox 360, honestly who cares anymore it's getting old and all these rumours don't add up until the ps3 console is out. Who cares about graphics, a better online service, and tools, it's not going to be the same before and I could care less what console you want to purchase, all and all your just flamming and if you don't like the ps3 why are you even here posting comments. 153 -
Development EffertUnregistered - DeepFreezed 10.20.2005 12:48 More development effort, higher the prices of games. I like what PS3 has lined up but will not pay in excess of 60 bucks for a game.... 154 -
Great gameUnregistered - Shadow 10.20.2005 12:51 I just started playing Shadow of the Colossus and man this game is good it doesn't even look like a first generation ps2 game it's an innovative game and it's cool, Team ICO needs to make more games because this one game is good at least the ps3 will have a Legend of Zelda type game for the ps3. 155 -
$59.00Unregistered - Next Gen games will cost more 10.20.2005 12:55 Next gen games will cost 60 bucks #153 marketing analyst are saying that the xbox 360 games will cost $59.00 too because of block buster titles not to mention their will be two dvds since they're not using HD-DVDS. 156 -
Unregistered - Shark 10.20.2005 13:20 Who really knows how much blu-rays cost right now, Sony Excutives haven't announced what the price for the games are yet. 157 -
#155 - 156Mathoss 10.20.2005 13:29 You guys don't seem to realise that media by themslf dont cost more than a couple of cent. A games wont cost more because it has 2 dvd, 1 hd-dvd or 1 blu-disc. developpement is the major part of what you are paying not the media... 158 -
Punk Street 10.20.2005 13:36 Well the media does tend to blow things out of proportion and John Carmack could be wrong I mean one of the guys at the G4 meeting said that they should explore what all the consoles can provide. 159 -
to Punk StreetMathoss 10.20.2005 13:48 What do you mean "Well the media does tend to blow things out of proportion"? For me it is not really an issue as for the matter or game price (not console). 160 -
2 funnyUnregistered - AT WILL 10.20.2005 13:57 This discussion is hilarious. I bet that if the guy from id said that the PS3 was easier to develop for, then most in here would rejoice in celebration and begin mocking 360 fans. But, since he said he favors the Xbox 360 over the PS3, then his opinion doesn't matter. Funny how fanboys try and find excuses to put things in their favor. Also, he isn't the only one to fell that dev. on the 360 is easier; but I'm sure that doesn't matter since people in here are PS3 experts (even though no one has played one). I think we should give them both a chance and take the console for what they are, not what we think they are. 161 -
TO PS3PLAYERUnregistered - THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.20.2005 14:42 YOU SIR ARE A D1CK END OF 162 -
EVERY ONEUnregistered - THE MIGHTY BOOSH 10.20.2005 15:05 what or how will you feel(ps fans) if more people actually buy more 360's than ps3's??? because it could happen. the anylists have predicted the 360 shipping 19 million to sonys 15 million units by 2008(i think) you can flame on all you want, but if microsoft aggresively advertise the 360 more people are likely to make a purchase. it ha at least 6months head start. it has the games, it hasthe power, its easy to dev for, its a reasonable price. it dont have much wrong going for it (in the eyes of the general public you lot on here aint the general public, nor most are true gamers spartan started gaming with the ps2 , i started gaming with the bbc acorn electron(thats long time ago)ive had every console master system , nes, ps1,n64,ps2,gc,xbox and i am getting the 360, when the ps3 comes out i might try that) its not the hardcore games that make or break a console. its the ordinary joe public. so flaming is pointless it just makes little fanboys feel like they have a big d1ck. just like ps3 players onesided rants and his army of fanboy followers all too ready to suck his tiny d1ck. another thing that makes me laugh is this "they dont have ps3 dev tools so how do they know" if they dont have dev tools how are they getting this so called ingame running in realtime footage for dmc4 and mgs4 and vision gt that your all to happy to flame on about??? ohh they are doing it on very powerfull computers that are simulating the specs of the ps3???. remember howgood the first madden "shots " looked for the 360 . that was what thet thought 360 was capable of ...then they got dev kits madden looks nothing like they thought(even though it still looks good) all this killzone and mgs4 is what they think the ps3 is capable of.. you lot might be let down in the end.. and THAT gundam vid running on the ps3 is vey poor when compared to the 360 gundam. (but its early development you all shout at me... well 80% of the 360 games that were shown were in early dev (at e3) and the looked better than that (and ps3 gundam vid is running on a ps3 dev kit) so to my first point just how will you all feel if the 360 sells more than the ps3????. cos it just might happen. 163 -
in AdditionUnregistered - QuietMan69 10.20.2005 15:46 Just heard that the PS3 will have a watered down blue ray diak drive, single layer, not be able to play DVD and will not be able to handle BC If its true, the cracks are starting to show in SONY armor, actually i have always known that they would eventually fesss up that the machine was far less than the Hype 164 -
# 163Mathoss 10.20.2005 15:54 Where did you heard that stupidity, blu-ray technology is 100% backward compatible... it is like saying you would get a DVD player that doesn't support CD... The only way this would be possible is to create a special drive that wouldn't be able to read DVD. 165 -
Choice'sPunk Street 10.20.2005 15:59 Anyways it's more about the games than the console for me but the console is the life and blood for the games, even if the guy favors another console just because it's easier to use the tools it's completely irrelavent to everyone on the planet. Well I know I come off as an radical but this guy's has only been doing Doom for a long time and he has been off and on console gaming for years so does it really matter what he has to say, no it doesn't people. Personaly I don't take anyone's side and I buy the games that I like, I'm not some sheep that blindly follows the heard based on what one person has to say and it's up to the consumers choice of what they want for next gen gaming. 166 -
Unregistered - Black Mist 10.20.2005 16:02 He probably heard some rumour from another site. 167 -
# 164Unregistered - the mighty boosh 10.20.2005 16:28 the first gen of dvd players only accepted dvds not cds get you facts right 168 -
#167Mathoss 10.20.2005 16:37 Not video disc you idiot CD. 169 -
#168Unregistered - the mighty boosh 10.20.2005 16:54 dur when i said cd i meant cd. fist gen dvd players couldnt play cd's and also it makes sense for sony to have a drive that couldnt play dvds if it could play dvds developers would use dvds for games ceeping cost and development times down. 170 -
Unregistered - the m boosh 10.20.2005 16:55 keeping cost down 171 -
Wait a minuteUnregistered - AKMS 10.20.2005 18:02 Why are xbox fanboys so desperate to argue over a console that is a year from launch even Microsoft is criticisind sony for not showing any game footage or releasig development kits. Well excuse me but last I checked MS didnt show 360 footage a year ago and they didnt even have their final kit ready till the end of the summer, and that was even late. Another think people keep commenting on the RSX. Nvidia as been in the lead of the graphics card market for the past 3 years including current generation 7800. I highly doubt that all of a sudden they are going to produce a piece of crap for the ps3 gpu. Xbox 360 has some nice games on it but the console has been rushed out to quickly in my opinion. Sure you dont need a large optical drive now but you will in two years. Lets face MS is nervous otherwise they wouldnt be so quick to constantly attack a console which isnt even ready yet and will probably be on a better schedule the they were. I regards to development tool lets wait till a few months before Ps3 launch and then people can comment on the matter. The fact is 360 fans dont understand that Ps3 is on the exact same time frame just 6 or months behind. And for my final little dig if MS is so confident why not wait get their games together and release on the same day as PS3. They wont WHY?? because they will loose. 172 -
tiredold school with a new twist 10.20.2005 18:27 I personally used to like coming to this site once in a while to read up on the latest PS3 news, but that has all gone down hill. This is a PS3 site for those who are excited about the PS3. Granted some of us are also excited about the 360 but just not as much as we are for the PS3. I also didn’t mind reading some of the COMMENTS posted here and there. Lately those comments have now turned to INSULTS. If 360 fans want to come here and run their mouths about the 360, that’s fine (SPARTAN777). They have the right to do that. All I have to do is, when I see their post just skip it and read the next one. If they’re hardcore PS3 fans (PS3 Player) and want to come here to spill their DIARIA of the keyboard with their profanity, again I’ll just skip to the next post. If they want to criticize other peoples posts to try and make themselves seem smarter or like the other person doesn’t know what they’re talking about (Vivicious), that’s fine too. Once again all I have to do is skip the post. People please, if you’re excited about a certain news update and would like to post your excited comment, do so and be on your merry way so that someone else like myself will read it and be just as excited. This is one of the very few good websites that I enjoy visiting to read up on the latest PS3 news (even though it seems like lately they’re just posting anything as news). So please stop it, it’s getting old, boring, stupid, ridiculous, but most of all it’s getting childish. p.s. If anyone owns a PS2, I highly recommend playing Shadow of The Colossus. I’m out! 173 -
ExperienceUnregistered - Yggdrasil 10.20.2005 18:35 No offense Xbox fans but the 360 seems rushed, the core system isn't backwords compatible and you need to buy the hard drive to play old xbox games, you need to buy a recharger for the wirless controller. I've been playing games for years and their are too many things to buy to make this a complete console, I take no sides but microsoft should have put in the HD-DVD drive. Even though their console isn't out yet that Mountain Dew comercial is getting on my nerves I get the point the consoles coming out soon, damn how many times are they going to play it. Also Microsoft sticking and stabbing at Sony because the console isn't out yet is pretty sad and turning me off as a gamer, plus this Carmack guy hasn't made a game for a console for years besides Doom 3 so he has little experience and credibility with console gaming. 174 -
#173Unregistered - Weiss 10.20.2005 18:37 Okay #173 you need to be quiet because we don't need the 360 fanboys to start another flamming war. 175 -
149Unregistered - killy 10.20.2005 18:47 No Im here because I LOVE reading the conflict that goes on here. I get many a good laugh out of it. well originally i wanted info on ps3 then i started reading all these posts and have been coming back ever since. 176 -
and 173Unregistered - killy 10.20.2005 18:50 you dont have to buy a charger for the wireless controllers. there is an optionaly rechargeable battery pack that comes with a charger. Im pretty sure you can use regular batteries too. 177 -
Yeh, Vivicious -- # 147Retard 10.20.2005 18:57 I guess you're right, it is hard for me to get the point... (my name says it all) ='( 178 -
Vivicious 10.20.2005 19:35 Oh, I guess I should have used quotes to make clear what I was agreeing with, I didn't even know that guy was commenting on you. The only thing I agreed with was: "Both have a lot of hype, but the problem with Sony and MS fanboys is that they don't pay attention to the facts." "Both will have great games, and each systems will have something to add to the market." Though I'd like to add that the first few years the games will really make the difference in support for all the consoles, after that I expect the PS3 to shine through with certain capabilities of the Cell (Physics and A.I. will be at a level I seriously doubt the X360 can attain). But even that would come down to how the developers use the power of both consoles, one might be more powerful than the other, but we'd need some great developers to use both consoles to the fullest of their potential. That MTV thing by MS was really pathetic by the way, so I agree with you there. Hopefully they've learned from that, and I must admit the X05 looked very cool indeed, luckily MS has already shown Sony how it shouldn't be done. ;-) 179 -
Vivicious 10.20.2005 19:38 It's just the guy's own opinion and what he would prefer, so it doesn't make a difference in the long run. But this guy def. does know what he is talking about, and I doubt there is a bigger icon in game programming. 180 -
Unregistered - HI 10.20.2005 20:45 HI FRIENDS =) 181 -
New NEWSold school with a new twist 10.20.2005 21:23 This website is in serious need of some REAL news. The last few posts have done nothing but add gasoline to the flaming war between the 360 and ps3 fans. What we really need are some new updates. Hopefully by the 24th there will be plenty of news for the PS3 fans to drool over as the PlayStation Festival will be over in Japan. 182 -
Pancakes RuleRetard 10.20.2005 21:45 Ah, kk cool.. i never saw anything from the X05, maybe i should check that out... =) 183 -
Another ThingRetard 10.20.2005 21:49 Yeh, i know that the ID guy is appears to... be... top notch... But what about like the guys from Vaule/Sierra Half-Life developers (i thought that the Half-Life2 engine was incredible with the pyshics and... Yeh....) But that's just an opinion or question! :/ !? 184 -
just realizeUnregistered - shang-fu 10.20.2005 22:29 i check out this website because i am curious of what sony has to offer this generation coming up i was a big sony fan but lost interest because the ps2 gave me to many problems so i switch to xbox and it hasnt given me any problems and i love xbox live which sony doesnt have. i'm not bashing sony so dont think that. you have to look at this from a business point of view because that is what this is neither company woukd come out with a product that wouldnt be able to compete period. sony will have a good system and microsoft will have a good system. so all of the sony fanboys need to stop agreeing with every piece of news that makes sony look good and trying to say every piece of news that makes m$ look good is false or biased. 185 -
Looks like this is gonna be one good battle.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.20.2005 22:49 You're right 173#. You are completely right. All this backstabbing and crap is really ticking me off too. When will this crappy back stabbing and marketing end, and quality games come in? Only a few good games are coming out now. Seriously. There are your average games, good ones, and the select few perfect ones (aka Devil may cry 3, Metal gear solid 3, Halo 2, Doom 3, Half-life 2.) When is this crap with marketing gonna end? When will the makers start making more games like the ones I mentioned. I'm really getting sick of it all, on both sides. Sony and Microsoft. 186 -
PAUL CERULA 10.20.2005 23:20 Why do people insist on peace between people's opinions, that's why people are here. Don't even ask for people to stop, it will diminish on it's own when both systems come out and good titles are brought. 187 -
Microsoft and sonyHavoc 10.21.2005 00:11 What if the two companies combine to make a console, I remember some guy said it would be called Microsony playbox. That would be a day in h@ll but it would stop all this nonsense. Sometimes I get mad because of this dumb arguing but I can't help myself when somebody tries to make bad remarks about sony, I have to respond back. It's just a continuous cycle, somebody says xbox suck then somebody says ps3 sucks. They are both going to be good consoles with good games, both companies including nintendo has good plans for the future. I know we gonna continue arguing but I am really excited about all the new consoles coming out so we should just be happy we're going to have some good gaming in our future. 188 -
Unregistered - killy 10.21.2005 00:22 I agree but "both companies including nintendo has good plans for the future." what two companys? did you mean all three? and im going to sound like a teacher here but it should say both companies...have good plans. yeah i have nothing better to do 189 -
#136 - From a Cell expertUnregistered - Truth 10.21.2005 04:43 This guy has compiled one of the most comprehensive Cell analysis I've seen thus far. Mind you, you might have to be pretty technically adept to understand the vast majority of it. Bearing that in mind; here is the article: http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html 190 -
Basic Economics.Nodieza 10.21.2005 06:44 Ah, sorry it's been a while, I've been addicted to Shadow of Col. and F.E.A.R, now that I am out of that stuper.... Just one quick point, anyone who's gone through a high school economics class knows that competition leads to better products for the consumers, so if they all combined it would be a terrible time indeed. Fearce competition is good unless they start to cut corners or lie just for an advantage over their competitor. Yeah just thought I'd point that out... away I go to fight the last 5 collosi!!!!!! I need sleep.... 191 -
HeyRetard 10.21.2005 07:10 Is that Shadows of the Col. good enough to buy ? 192 -
Unregistered - Gman 10.21.2005 08:19 MY GOD!! THis is just stupid to read. PS3Player: You're a total retard.. 193 -
to 190Unregistered - marcjs 10.21.2005 09:51 You're right in a way that competition can lead to misinformation (or lying). But the only reason companies engage in this kind of behaviour is the thought that they can get away with it. As a fairly neutral person I have to say that in my opinion Sony is by far the worst console company regarding telling the truth. This doesn't mean Microsoft plays fair with their monopoly but regarding consoles Sony is I think generally regarded as misinforming the public at certain points (both in the past as present). Unless ofcourse people can give me information that proves me wrong. As far as the "getting away with it approach" goes you have to consider consoles are relatively rarely updated (about once in 4 years) so people tend to forget things about the past and focus on new hypes. Furthermore people don't have perfect information about all consoles and base their buying decision for a large part on marketing. The internet however enhances information so people are more and more informed about the product (it's not a snicker so they do some research). All in all I think misinforming the public is nowadays less effective as people get more unbiased information. 194 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 10:21 Shadow of the Colossus is a bit on the short side, and there are unfortunately some technical issues, but it's still a great game and def. worth the buy, renting it is possible too, as the replay value isn't all that great. But I think it will be fun to back to now and then. Valve's older comments btw. were a bit biased, as they were directed towards the U3 engine, and they wanted to back up their Source engine. 195 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 10:21 "To go back to now and then" I mean. 196 -
Unregistered - Sony is King/ VIVICIOUS you're a COWARD 10.21.2005 11:10 Wouldn't you all agree that this little white boy wanna be geek is just posting too much, and what's worst is that he got involved in a war of words with PS3Player who if i can say distroyed. Vivicious, how are you gonna let a guy talk about you and your mother like that? "All you kept on saying was that he's just trying to be tough, have a nice and decent argument" I mean common man, you lack balls or something. I love the PS3, but to let a guy disrespect you like that is just insane, in my opinion like he said " You're a coward". Not that i'm supporting him or anything, but i would have fought back, you Vivicious in you're trying to be intelectual and sh*t you made him completely disrespect you and whole family. Peace out, I wonder if Vivicious can fight, have you ever fought someone before? I mean commom you gotta response to that guy. Hey PS3Player i got nothing against you, we're cool, but man to man, you completely spit in Vivicious' face and all he did was nothing, he must be a corward after all. See ya. Vivicious you have to make a comeback or else i will hail to PS3Player, not because he supports Sony, but because he sttod up to you and you put your tail between your legs and basically ran away. 197 -
VIVICIOUS DO U WANT TO FIGHT ME?Unregistered - PS3Player 10.21.2005 12:04 VIVICIOUS is a quire boy, i could care less about fighting him, the guy never fought anyone in his life, i'd be over with him in a matter of second, and then he can go and call the police, i don't care, i've been handcuff and put to jail before, i done serve up my time, homie. He talks about me having to grow up, I'm 20 kid and what i have been through in one day you haven't seen in your whole life, so be quiet VIVICious, you're a momma's boy, i keep it real and you ran, how the f*ck would you expect respect, in the world respect doesn't come trhough words it comes through action, take the US for example, we don't sit around trying to be intelectual with other countries we take action, homie. I told you you wanna fight this out for real we can get it done, or else you can always pretend to be a hard one and get support from these other cowards in this site, but me i'm calling you out, we can settle this for real, anytime you want, stop posting you ain't proving sh*t to me, i can beat you in less than a minute, leave your mouth red with blood, and then you can start to see that man fight, they don't try to be intelectual and argue. This is why i'm looking at making a career in the military, those boys fight, they don't argue, and you gotta be tough to be in there, aight, so lay low and be cool, you coward 198 -
what everyone fails to realizeUnregistered - Akakage 10.21.2005 12:10 Okay..here's the deal. This article is only Carmack's opinion, but his opinion is an educated one. PS3 development kits...while probably in the alpha or beta stage have been released to developers. For anyone who thinks otherwise answer me this...How did Kojima make a real-time Metal Gear demo without one, and secondly with the PS3 launch window in spring..how do you expect developers to make next-gen ps3 games on a system that is more difficult and much more expensive to develop for? Perfect Dark Zero has been worked on for the past 11/2 years for the X360 for example. Gears of War has been worked on for about 1-2 years now and is still a year from coming out. For developers to reach the standards Sony is imposing upon them for ps3 they need at least 1 year of development time. The sony Dev kits are out and lot of these developers can speak about it from experience. 199 -
PAUL CERULA 10.21.2005 12:21 PS3 Player, you need to get a life and stop bothering people on forums exspecially the ignoring Vivicious. Do you think your a big man or something verbally fighting someone online who you'll never meet. You two will never fight, your just being a douche bag. I can't believe some of the things I'm hearing from you, where are you going with this??? Nothing will ever happen but talk so SHUT UP YOU MORON. 200 -
Ps3 Player Unregistered - PhaTTs 10.21.2005 12:24 Just wondering by chance are you a marine, cause you said something about the military. Or i could have read that wrong. 201 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.21.2005 12:34 Spartan, i don't care man, this guy thinks that he runs this site and he's a 360 fan, plus he thinks that he can make fun of my post, not even when i'm insulting people, you're right Spartan, things happen in life maybe one day i'll meet him, and really f*ck him up for what he's been saying. IF i were you i would stay out of this, if you wanna discus game i will but as long as he thinks that he's the man around here, i can't have that, he thinks that he's above everyone else, homie i'm just cooling him down. I'm not big man but i got the heart to fight unlike this Coward VIVICious. Spartan by the way if you wanna jump in his side, that's fine with me, remember that this sh*t started with you, we can settle this here and we can go on about it, or we can set it for real tough i doubt it, you guys probably live with your mom and dad and they won't let you fight, but to me this is about respect so i'll fight anybody. Dja straight from BK, NYC, around here we don't play. 202 -
what everyone fails to realize part 2Unregistered - Akakage 10.21.2005 12:34 The power difference between the 360 and playstation 3 is marginal. Both systems have cpu's clocked at 3.2 ghz. While xbox has 3 powerpc cores..sony has the ridiculously powerful "cell" processor. So in theory they have the same clock speed..but of course the cell is a new revolutionary cpu that can out perform the powerpc cpu in some areas. The cell in the ps3 may in fact have a lower clockspeed in order to cut costs...but will still be a powerhouse and should still outperform the 360's cpu the same areas (of course this is just speculation). The Xenos gpu in the 360 on the same token while it has a low clock-speed (xenos = 500 mhz, RSX = 550 mhz which isn't even noticeable)will out perform the ps3's RSX in many areas. Lets be real ladies and gents..as Carmack stated in this interview the difference between this systems will be very little. Contrary to popular belief PS3 isn't 10 times more powerful than x360. It has a lil more horsepower..but the difference in power is not the same as the one between ps2 and xbox. What Carmack was trying to say is that while ps3 has more horsepower (20% is just an example not fact) if developers can't harness that extra power then what good is it? If we are racing..I have a corvette and you have a mustang. If my speedometer say 170 mph on it and yours says 150mph but my vette will only go 145 mph because I don't have it in peak condition but yours mustang can actually do 155 because of the mods u have done to it...who will win the race? Also think about this..for ps3 programming difficulties aren't their main concern, its cost of development. If the previous article is in fact true that will hurt them much more than difficulty programming games. Cost will cause the industry to go stagnant. If costs are that high...smaller developers will opt out of ps3 meaning ps3 would be doomed to sequels and ports of existing franchises because cost will be to high for developers to risk trying something new. Think about it....that's what kill the console and/or the industry for that matter 203 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.21.2005 12:37 Nah man, i did say something about the military, but i'm not a marine, but pretty soon i will be. If you wanna discuss military stuff we can always post about that too and games at the same time. I love the military and i'm looking to enlist sometime. BY the way you can hit me in SOCCOM 3 online for the PSw, that is if you have a PS2. 204 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.21.2005 12:40 Actually, if anybody in here is a coward its you. Go back and read post 123. Were you too embarassed to respond? Did I hit a little close to home? Most of us have evolved enough to know that adults don't use their fists to solve problems. Your calling someone out of the internet and think you're bad. You're a joke and like I said before a fake, a punk, a nothing. 205 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.21.2005 12:47 Muzzle go swallow some gasoline,since when don't adult don't fight, i'm calling him out because i can give him or you my address and we can sttle that sh*t. By th the way was i even talking to you, maybe i hit i nerve somewhere, my bad son. i didn't mean too. You're idea of a man is someone who sits and talk, well for the record i respect the guys in IRAQ and wanna join them because they are real, they fight everyday, this is what i would call a real man, now you gonna sit and tell me, no the Senators are real men, cause they sit around sending these boys to fight while they talk, well guess what they are cowards, none of them got a son in the military. So Shut the F*ck Up. You're a coward just like VIVICIous. Stop bragging about being intelectual, man fights because they got guts, period, not because they have good mouths. 206 -
Being ResonablePunk Street 10.21.2005 12:49 Well until Sony shows their games off in any playable form then all these rumours are just poor speculation and I kinda agree with Carmack but on the other side I don't since it's based off his opinion. Who really knows what's going to happen, all of us are just going to have to wait and be patient until the people at Sony actualy feel that their ready to show any actual gameplay of what they have in development. 207 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.21.2005 12:55 I never bragged about being an intellectual. I actually get paid to use my brain, and on occassion, my fists, and a gun. I deal with little punk kids like you day-in, day-out. You don't impress, you're a joke. I guess you probably liked being in jail. Probably got to where you dropped the soap on purpose. I bet all this anger you've got is because your cell mate (boyfriend) is back inside and you can't get any good lovin' anymore. Nobody gave it to you like he did, did they? I told you before, the military doesn't want your type (don't ask, don't tell, homey). 208 -
Yo, dawgMaleficus the Great 10.21.2005 12:56 Muzzleflash, I don't like you dissin' my brutha from a nutha mutha, PS3 Playa. You don't diss me and ma gangstas from ma hood, yo, or you be straight up in da hospital, yo. We gon' mess you up good on da streets or in da hizzy, mofo. So back off, you an' Json Henry an' dat ho Vivicious. I gon get me some chicken wangs, my bruthas. 209 -
HAHAUnregistered - HAHA 10.21.2005 13:20 PS3 GONNA SUCK SO HARD YOU GUYS DONT EVEN KNOW, I CAN'T LOOK AT THE PS3 WHITOUT PUKING, DIE CRAP STATION, DIE! MWAHAHA 210 -
MaleficusUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.21.2005 13:22 That's funny as hell. 211 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 13:44 Wait a minute, now PS3Player's saying I act like I own the place? LOL, I think you've got a few screws lose there. These kind of people are what make US citizens look like human waste, no wonder you're ridiculed by every nation on earth. I don't who that Sony is King guy is, maybe you're swapping homosexual favors, honestly I don't care. But trying to make people think you're 20 is just pathetic, you probably haven't even hit puberty yet. And after your 100th post you're still talking about fighting from behind a computer you idiot. If you were serious, you'd be on the plane towards Amsterdam by now and I'd set you straight (Though child abuse isn't really something I enjoy, I'd make an exception for American trash like you.). You're just all talk, no self respecting 20 year old (or human being for that matter) acts all hardcore on the god damn internet. If you ever get in the military I'd love to know, as my already low standards set for the American average joe would plummet, and maybe to rub it in, I'd pray for all your "military" buddy's to die in the desert in Iraq so the guys there can put them where they belong, six feet under. You're calling me a coward? Do you even watch the news? Half your "military" exsists of god damn cowards you ghetto piece of crap, go join the military, and get to raping and murdering innocent people and then come back to me and talk about cowardice. It's so completely obvious by your posts you're not here for the games or the PS3 (And you call me an X360 fan? Get a life.), so why don't you remove your trash talking ass from this forum and do everyone a favor. Though I do agree that you should at least try to join the military, because by reading your posts it's kind of obvious you don't really have any kind of future outside of that chance. Pretty easy profile too, I guess you think your daddy's a big man for beating on your mom every night, right? Or is he "in jail" too? I wouldn't be surprised, your kind usually come from crappy neighbourhoods where nobody cares about you or your family (For good cause) and I doubt anyone would really miss you if you rot away and die. So take the hint and go shoot yourself in the face (Hey, maybe shoot up a school first? You're in the US after all, it's the logical thing to do) after dropping out of school on your 15th birthday and earning 2 bucks an hour at your local 7/11 for the rest of your (hopefully) short life. Nice talking to you again btw. 212 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 13:50 I'm sure I can expect some American reactions to my post, but for his kind it's almost all true, so save it. :P 213 -
OopsVivicious 10.21.2005 13:53 Know what else? I just realised PS3Player and his 29 brothers and sisters probably wouldn't have enough money for the plane flight...Damn shame. :-( Boy, that's a real downer. 214 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.21.2005 13:58 Nevermind what I said about you earlier. I'll help pay for your plane ticket to Amsterdam. Vivicious you are a complete ass. Am I mistaken or did you just call the American Military cowards, rapists, an murderers? Did you just pray that they die? WTF!!!!?????????????????? You have no idea, no right to talk about our Armed Servvices that way. A great deal of my friends are either in or were in the military. These are decent and honorable people. Stick to posting about games you sorry f@ck! And you're from Amsterdam, a place thats known for legalized prostitution and drug use. You must be very proud. 215 -
ViviciousUnregistered - silver surfer 10.21.2005 14:20 ahahahahahahahaha you the man, PS3 player and you 29 bro's go f@ck your sister. 216 -
#214Unregistered - the mighty boosh 10.21.2005 14:23 im gonna stick up for vivacious i would rather have legalised prostitution and drug"abuse" than any rednek inbred hick thinking its his god given right to own a gun. amsterdam isnt known for the above , its known for its peacefull tollerant outward looking people. drugs are tollerated . why should someone go to jail for smoking a bit of pot???? and if a woman or man wants to sell sex i would rather have them do it in a regulated "safe " house ,than some dingy back ally that is regulated by a crack head pimp from compton with a glock in his pants. and the us millitary is despised by the rest of the world , full of fine men and women my @ass , look at what happened at abugraib prison ???? and lindy england (what ever her stupid rednek name is) no self respecting american would join the us army, thats why they do their recruting in ghetoised run down areas. the army is full of americans that had no other hope, and would have ended up being a drug dealer or a pimp doing drive bys.or robing the local wallmart. 217 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 14:25 Muzzleflash, read better: I said his "friends" in the military. And of course there are rapists and murderers in the military, have you not seen images from Gulf War/Afghanistan and most recently from Iraq? I'm not insulting the military in general of course, even though I don't agree with several American policies I wouldn't go that far. Anyway, responses were expected, so go right ahead. 218 -
ouch my heart..... ^.^ j\k ViviciousNodieza 10.21.2005 14:27 Vivicious, be cautious with the American comment, after all America is compramised of foreigners. I happen to be American and yes their are a-holes and greedy ppl here but there are also nice ppl and ppl who spend their "american wealth" to do good in the world. My church raised 26 thousand for the Tsunami and we sent a team over there personally and distributed food and supplies we bought, same with the hurricane that hit New Orleans, so not all of us are stupid and all the other American stereotypes... America is complicated, we are all so diverse it's hard to live with one another, school is a great example of this, it's hard to not offend everyone when your culture goes against theirs.... I plan on moving to Europe after college, but for different reasons, the music industry mainly. Your free to feel how you feel just realize I've met retarted "foreigners" as well as dumb Americans. ^.^ Peace! Shadow of col. is worth buying because you NEED TO SUPPORT team ICO and other 1st party developers!!!!!!! Yes the game rocks!!!!! Vivicious ignore those stupid kids, they have nothing better to do with their time, you know that as well as I do. Peace Peace Peace!!!! 219 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 14:27 Actually boosh, I do have some friends from the US who are in the military, mainly officers though. Still, they're great people, but you are right about a percentage of the soldiers (even abroad). And I of course totally agree with the rest of your post about "legalized prostitution" and the like, as that is exactly one of the reasons why it exsists. 220 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 14:29 "so not all of us are stupid and all the other American stereotypes... " I agree, for sure. Thanks for the comments, and yes, Shadow of the Colossus is incredible. :-) I'm still marvelling at the artwork, and taking it as slow as possible for some reason, I don't want it to end. 221 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 14:31 And it's good to hear how your community helped out the victims of the Tsunami, I lost a good friend there. Great to hear how involved you guys were, actually going over to help! 222 -
Vivicious or whatever Unregistered - PhaTTs 10.21.2005 14:44 What is this Shadow of Collosus you keep speaking of? My spelling is horrible sorry. 223 -
#219Unregistered - the mighty boosh 10.21.2005 14:47 yo viv i never said any thing about you having "friends " in the us army??? or talk about percentages??? did you read the same post i wrote??? cos i read urs you were the one calling for "them" to be put 6ft under??? and if you have friends in the us army , why would you call for them and i quote you "I'd pray for all your "military" buddy's to die in the desert in Iraq so the guys there can put them where they belong, six feet under. " thats a fairly shanefull thing to say seeing as the insurgents dont distinguish between the good people in the army and the idiots. they just kill westerners. any ways peace out 224 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.21.2005 15:05 Shadow of the Colossus is one of the best games I've playes. Its awesome!!! 225 -
Unregistered - silverback 10.21.2005 15:22 Keep your mouth shut unless you can show a flawless military history for your government. Just because the Netherlands has diminished in power to virtually nothing doesn't mean that the colonialist atrocities your county has commited in the past has dimminished as well. The US has had some royal F**ups but in truth you have more to thank us for than vice versa. If it wasn't for the US army there is a good chance that you would be speaking Russian now instead of Dutch or whatever it is you speak over there. So cool it. 226 -
Shadow of Collosus Unregistered - PhaTTs 10.21.2005 15:29 Ok i get the point it's a kick @ss game, but is it a PC game or what? I've never heard or seen anything about it outside this forum and everyone rants and raves about it. Man ya'll need to chill out about Vivacious he made a comment he shouldn't have, we've all made mistakes and me personally being an american can say yea our country ain't the greatest but everyone wants to say it it... for instance look at our president how many times has he said stupid stuff. So just lay off the dude. 227 -
Unregistered - ???????? 10.21.2005 15:29 I'd be surprised if they can even show a military. With the exception of England and another few countries, European military might has historically only held the door open for Germany and made them feel right at home until the US saved their sorry asses. I hope the U.S. keeps this anti-american attitude in mind the next time some crazed dictator decides he needs more parking space and they are helpless without us. 228 -
Punk Street 10.21.2005 15:30 Wonder when we're going to get some good news, that event at Akihabara on October 22nd to the 30th should be a real eye opener so I hope the guy who updates this site get's some news. Well I hope the war in Iraq ends pretty soon because innocent blood is being spilled as well, I can imagine that children, women, and the elderly are getting involved in that madness, war only starts more hatred, violence, and only leaves emptiness when it ends. 229 -
QuoteMathoss 10.21.2005 16:00 I read once I quote that i love (sorry it is tranlate from French so it might not get the same effect) "Violence is the refuge of the incompentence" and I always lived by it!!! 230 -
Punk streetPAUL CERULA 10.21.2005 16:02 228 Punk, What the Balls??? You've got to be kidding me this isn't a forum to get your political agenda out there. Perhaps you should live in Iraq if you think a war shouldn't of been started. This is where your discussion ends, just forget about it everyone.... 231 -
Punk Street 10.21.2005 16:11 I didn't start this discusion Spartan, war can't be avoided if you want to pretend everything is black and white then your being unrealistic about the way the world works, seriously theirs no news right now and like I said we should be talking about next gen games. 232 -
Unregistered - PhaTTs 10.21.2005 16:20 Damn it, i would really like to know about shadow of collosus, and all you turds keep talking about is war... there is no way to get around war it will always be with us, look at history (i know this will be hard for some of you idiots) and see that there has always been conflict... thats just how life is. So please can someone please tell me about the damn game already. 233 -
Punk streetPAUL CERULA 10.21.2005 16:35 What Punk street, who says my view is black and white. I made one sentence. You think war only causes hate. My reasoning is far more indepth and logical than your hippie liberal views. 234 -
Stick to the Games Punk Street 10.21.2005 16:44 I don't know much about this game but their's this next gen game called Possesion it's a multi-platform game for the Ps3 and the Xbox 360 the anti hero is a zombie called the Enslaver who takes control of the people in a city and turn's them into different classes of zombies to take over the city or something else. Thier's slow zombies, zombies that move fast like the ones in 28 days later, and thiers this higher class of zombie called the juggernaut's which is very powerful, it's launch date is 2007. 235 -
Unregistered - PhaTTs 10.21.2005 16:45 God Damnit get off the topic of war and hate and violence already man... this is a video game PS3 forum, let's talk about video game war, violence and hate alright? 236 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 17:32 I agree, my comment was directed wholy at PS3Player, with no intention to start some whole discussion about the war in Iraq and God knows what. And #223, you misunderstand my post, I was agreeing with you but stating that not all of them are the same. Anyway, on the subject of Shadow of the Colossus :P I'd advise you to read some reviews of course, from Gamespot, IGN, take your pick. But the general story is you're cast as a nameless hero on a quest to save a loved one, and you journey to an ancient temple where you discover the power to save your lover's spirit. However, in order to unlock this power, you must obtain the essence of 16 colossi, mountainous gargantuan beasts that roam the land. You've got a horse at your disposal, and in general you're riding around enormous and wonderfully crafted landscapes searching for a colossus. Like I said before, graphic wise there are some technical glitches, but the artwork more then makes up for it. Each colossus is a puzzle in itself, as you need to find different ways to defeat each one. All around it's a great game, and I highly reccomend you trying it. I'd go into a little more detail, but you're just as well off reading a review, probably better actually. :P 237 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 17:34 Yea, Posession sounds pretty cool. There's also one coming near the launch of the X360, forget what it's called, that also looks pretty fun. A whole shopping mall at your disposal with thousands of zombies sounds pretty sweet. ;-) 238 -
I'm not getting politicalPunk Street 10.21.2005 17:34 Hippie Liberal views who the hell said I didn't want Saddam Husen out of power the guy was an evil madman, Spartan if you have a problem with the way I think I could care less what you have to say okay I said from the beginning that the games were more important and all you've been doing is saying how much you hate the ps2, what did you think was going to happen people were starting to get tired of the flamming and everything got off topic. 239 -
Punk Street 10.21.2005 17:41 Well Peter Jackson's King Kong looks intersting, I heard it was pretty good. 240 -
Vivicious 10.21.2005 18:07 You're right Punk Street, all the flaming get's extremely annoying after a while. Anyway, the thing with King Kong is it's kind of tough suddenly trusting a film to game adaption, as usually they're pretty crappy. Though I've heard pretty good things about the game. I didn't get the chance to see any of it at X05, but from what I've seen so far I'm def. awaiting the reviews. Anyone seen that Doom movie? For the people that aren't fans of the games it's a pretty mediocre sci-fi horror, but's it def. a very good game to film adaptation, one of the best so far for sure. (Though that's not very hard...Resident Evil **shudder**). After the first hour it dies down a bit, seems like it's starting to get repetitive, which makes the following scenes pretty cool. Very nice eye candy in general too, monsters and guns are all pretty top notch. And the BFG is pretty impressive ;-) 241 -
ViviciousUnregistered - PhaTTs 10.21.2005 18:32 Hey thanks for the heads up on Shadow of Col. I'm actually on my way to go see the movie now. Thanks for reminding me about it. 242 -
Unregistered - Sonyfangirl 10.21.2005 18:49 gosh ken has a small cocccck...man to bad because i was going to get a ps3 but instead i am getting the 360... 243 -
Here Goes NothingPunk Street 10.21.2005 18:58 I'm going to put an end to this, just because a company has better tools doesn't gurantee better games, listen people innovation and creativety attract's people to the games once their done, people enjoy playing new and great games when hard work is put into them. For Carmack maybe better tools are good for him but maybe it might not be the same for everyone else, I mean he didn't say better games or the time to complete them so his beliefs are all up in the air, maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong who really knows. It's one thing to say superior but I haven't heard anything from Sony just yet about what their doing for their games and do we really have to behave like this because of one persons views. I know I mention God of War all the time but Dave Jeff and Sana Moica studios put a lot effort and creativety into the game with next to nothing when it came to the development tools, they used what they had and delivered. Maybe the tools that Sony gave to the game developers will really help them out because they had next to nothing before and I for one buy good games not better tools or dev kits, it's good games with creativety put into them that attracts me. 244 -
Just imagineUnregistered - Akakage 10.21.2005 19:12 I have to agree they pulled a rabbit out of their hat with God of War, easily one of the best (if not THE best) PS2 titles to ever be released. I will say this though...imagine if the had the tools and the power of the xbox to compliment their creativity..I believe God of War would have been even better if that is at all possible. With these next-gen systems...I say this all the time in the other forums I visit..It will not be about what console is stronger...it WILL be about who has the best games. Best games don't just mean graphics (to all you graphics whores out there), playability, level design, innovation and developer creativity will be the key to this "console war". He who has the best games and the most variety will win. 245 -
Unregistered - da man 10.21.2005 19:56 and everyone knows that ps3 will have the best games period. 246 -
245PAUL CERULA 10.21.2005 21:19 #245 everyone knows games is a matter of preference you moron. 247 -
To ViviciousUnregistered - NoNamer 10.21.2005 21:43 "You're calling me a coward? Do you even watch the news? Half your "military" exists of god damn cowards you ghetto piece of crap, go join the military, and get to raping and murdering innocent people and then come back to me and talk about cowardice. It's so completely obvious by your posts you're not here for the games or the PS3 (And you call me an X360 fan? Get a life.), so why don't you remove your trash talking ass from this forum and do everyone a favor." _______________________________________________________________________________ I am not American and I certainly don't think that was called for, your a loser, why don't you take YOUR trash talking ass from this forum, your a goddamn X360 follower, trying to coax people into joining you to waste their money on X360. Go join a forum that gives a f*ck about X360, because me and the majority of people here don't want to hear bullsh*t, coming from Bill gates, J.Allard and crew, they're nothing but a bunch of lying b*stards, for example Bill gates thinks DVD will be the last Physical format, the only reason he thinks that is because he KNOWS blu-ray will win next gen, so to save face for backing HD-DVD format he said hard drives and streaming are the future, what a load of sh*t, does that mean then we wont have any physical drives anymore for backup? the guy is on crack. So pack-up all Ms lies and take them with you. M$ are all a bunch of d*ck heads. Hey did you see this? http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.mpg This is Steve Ballmer CEO of M$, what a p*ick, just like the rest of M$ employees. 248 -
To No NamerUnregistered - MUzzleflash218 10.21.2005 23:57 C'mon wait a minute. I am an X-box fan. I don't have any problems with Sony or the PS3, nor will I try to convince any PS3 fans to switch (like it really affects my life what console someone chooses), but please don't suggest that Vivicous got to 360 sites. 360 fans don't want that prejudiced, asshole anymore than y'all do. 249 -
Vivicious 10.22.2005 08:44 "your a goddamn X360 follower, trying to coax people into joining you to waste their money on X360." Why don't you nobody's back these kind of comments up for once. Quote me somewhere saying anything near that one console will be better than the other, that you should buy X360, anything like that. You believe what you want to believe, as I've made it clear I'm a fan of games, not consoles. I like how people read over the positive stuff here and enter their own interpretation for the rest. I don't care what you think, so get a life. The only comment I might have said in vain is that about the US military, though there is a kernel of truth in it I probably shouldn't have mentioned it here. Even then, it's none of your business what I think, and find one other post of me "trash talking" and I'd be extremely surprised. I was getting a point across to the prepubescent 12 year old ghetto lowlife scum PS3Player, if you haven't figured that out yet then get real and stop wasting my time. 250 -
Tokyo International Film FestivalUnregistered - Cynical Gamer 10.22.2005 09:18 Well November's Famitsu Wave just fropped through my letter box this morning (22 days after release, nice one Royal Mail). On the inside back page is an advert for the so called Playstation expo everyone has been going on about. Guess what? It's the 18th Tokyo International Film Festival supported by Playstation. http://www.akibaentamaturi.jp/ for those who want to know more. If you search for akibaentamaturi in Google you can get the autotranslation into English. Looking at the Playststaion info it seems there will be a couple of showings of a movie reel related to the PS3 and the only playable titles will be on the PS2 and PSP. I allways had my doubts about this event, it just didn't seem to have the sort of international media exposure Sony would like for the unveiling of the PS3. They may have some surprises in store but it looks like there is still a long wait for those of us who are waiting to see some gameplay. Peace. 251 -
Vivicious 10.22.2005 09:33 I don't think that's the same as the event planned for Feb. Is it? 252 -
VIVICIOUS NOW YOU'RE TALKINGUnregistered - PS3Player 10.22.2005 09:46 Now Vivicious, you said that the US military raped and kill innocent people, well if it's for a better world than let it be so, as far as i know the Netherlands are part of NATO and they have troops in Afghanistan and if i'm not mistaking they have a few 100 personnel in IRaq, so i forgive you for your dumb comment. Talking about i can't get a ticket to come to Amsterdam, that may be true but i know about Van Basten, Rud Gulit, Frank de Boer and his brother, Van der Sar, Davids, Zenden, Cocu, Kluivert, Van Nistelrooy, Seedorf, Stam and a whole lot more, now try asking anyone on this forum who the hell these guys are and they can't tell you squat.So you see you and I have things in common. That's ficked up for a ghetto guy to know about this guys. I like Holland, and i was disappointed when they did not make it To Korea/Japan, but i'm glad that they made for Germany 2006. Now for MuzzleFlash, you're comment about (Don't ask, don't tell) it's not to keep g*y out of the military you fool, it means that since conflict will erupt between g*y and straight men, so if you're in the military and someone ask you "Are you g*y" you just don't tell, and they are not allowed to ask that question that's why it says don't ask. Vivicious you're small time, i ain't got time to waste on you, i carry weight like a mack truck, you you're not even in the game, why should i waste my time on you.I know you like to pst here alot so her's a deal, i offer you peace. EXCLUSIVELY FOR VIVICIOUS FROM NOW ON WHATEVER I POST IGNORE IT AND I'LL DO THE SAME FOR YOURS, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OFF FROM GETTING AT EACH OTHER OR OTHERWISE YOU WILL MAKE EVERYONE HATE YOU, AND I'M NOT A HATER, SO BE COOL, RELAX, AND DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO SOMEONE ELSE NOT ME, AIGHT, CAUSE IF YOU DO IT' GONNA KEEP ON GETTING UGLIER FOR YOU. IF I WERE YOU I WOULD ACCEPT THAT PEACE AGREEMENT, NOW YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT US TO START CALLING YOU A RACIST OR ANTI-AMERICAN. 253 -
Vivicious 10.22.2005 09:54 A racist? You're dillusional. Where the hell would you get an idea like that from. Anyway, like I said: I don't care what you think, period. 254 -
Previous Thread #122Unregistered - Cynical Gamer 10.22.2005 09:57 Vivicious the last mention I can see of this event is comment #122 in the previous thread. Quite a few sites including joystiq ran with the story and everyone just assumed they would be showing the PS3 in playable form. I think the Feb 2006 or possibly E3 (potential to be the only story of the show) are more likely events for the PS3's playable debut. 255 -
I should apologize after all...Unregistered - PS3Player 10.22.2005 10:38 look vivicious I must admit that I was pretty much rude with you in the past time,, BUT NOW I SHOULD ADMIT THAT I AM A COMPLETE IDIOTTT!!! for being not nice with people on net just because I took low grades in my english and math class in my seventh grade 2 days ago.. AND I dont want my daddy or even my mommy to know about that so i decided to be a complete bastard with you vivicious and im sorry please i beg u to forgive me...please and my real name is harry angle and im a 12 year and a half white boy...sorry again 256 -
Cynical GamerVivicious 10.22.2005 11:38 You'd think they would try to blow us away with some ingame material before the X360 is released though. I'm looking forward to Feb. either way, but I would be a bit disapointed if we don't get some ingame material sent our way before December. Thanks for the info btw. 257 -
Vivicious 10.22.2005 11:50 "I know I mention God of War all the time but Dave Jeff and Sana Moica studios put a lot effort and creativety into the game with next to nothing when it came to the development tools, they used what they had and delivered." I completely agree, another great example is Project Offset. This started off as two guys working from their appartment and creating all their own dev. tools and engine from scrap. To date it is one of the most graphically impressive titles out there, check out Sneak Peek 2 at their website (http://www.projectoffset.com), I've said this before, tech and dev support def. aren't the most important things for the next-gen consoles. It's the developers and how much time and effort they are going to put into making their games a great experience. We can only hope there are more people like the dev. of God of War and Ninja Gaiden out there to give the next-gen consoles a run for their money. 258 -
Punk StreetVivicious 10.22.2005 11:51 That last comment was directed at Punk Street's #243 comment btw. 259 -
TO VIVICIOUSUnregistered - ken daou 10.22.2005 13:07 Look I would like to ask you if there is any PS3 festival or event this October. I've seen nothings so far on any site or any other magazine that mentions a PS3 festival...PLEASE EXPLAIN ...one other thing what does third party games mean? 260 -
Nodieza 10.22.2005 13:20 Interesting rumor I found, Nvidia has recently filed a patent for a "imagine engine", sound familiar? Judging by the name alone I'd say it was true but they also have a diagram of the gpu's layout and according to my friend Dan and other various resources if this thing claims to be what the patent says it is this Gpu is going to rape anything outhere. I'll try to find some links, he showed me last night on his forum, which I might be going to, because this forum is getting out of hand and they have better news and updates than here. If Vivicious or anyone who actually knows what they are talking about would like to join me, here it is http://forums.e-mpire.com/forumdisplay.php?s=8bf40899ba96de03a82cb119b9b0a483&f=199 and for all the retards who will try to post stupid shiz on the forum I posted, you'll get kicked and if you don't get kicked I'll get Dan to kick you because he's a Mod and my best friend. ^.^ Enjoy actual forums Vivicious leave these tards to wallow in there own stupidity. 3 more Collosi to go, including the hidden 17th one. Peace!!! 261 -
Look AT ThIsDante 10.22.2005 13:24 X360 FANS I SHOULD TELL YOU EX-GAMERS FOR WASTING UR MONEY...just look at this ingame footage for PS3: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/news/09/16/capitol_screen001.jpg Its a brand new action game announced 262 -
Dante 10.22.2005 13:35 Your point exactly NODIEZAA? 263 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.22.2005 13:57 Now me and Vivicious we decided to stop this whole sh*t but some other stupid f*ck had to come in and try to fake up my name in trying to apologize to Vivicious, i don't apologize, i offered him peace and as far as i'm concerned we're cool, so to that fake a*s poster trying to be me, how the f*ck you gonna be me, how about showing yourself come up with your own name, trying to imitate me, are sick or something? I'm sippin on tha puff, if you wanna say you're sorry to Vivicious go ahead i could care less but to use my name just prove that you're the biggest corward because not only you're hiding behind a screen but you're also hiding behind my name. I offered Vivicious peace not an apology, so he can either take it or leave it or could it have been you Viviv=cious trying to make me look bad, but i guess not, so to that fake a*s motherf*cker, back off. 264 -
Vivicious 10.22.2005 14:03 Dante, that's an action/adventure I think, and that screen was on X360 sites about 3 weeks ago, it's multiplatform. ;-) Ken Daou: I don't think there are any officially announced PS3 expositions happening this October, and though there have been some changes with their Feb. 2006 Event (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6671) I think that we'll have to wait for some playable content untill around the beginning of 2006. Oh, and basically there are three different kinds of developers: third party, independent and in-house (also known as first party sometimes). In-house is a publisher's own development team (EA publishing a game for EA sports for example.) and independant is usually a smaller development team that releases it's own games. (Usually using the internet and such for marketing.) Third party games are from developers that are hired by publishers to develop a game (or have developed a game and are searching for a publisher). They're usually for more than one platform, and these are usually the developers that you hear about going bankrupt as it is a nasty business. One flop and they're in trouble, compared to in-house developers that have alot more support. Anyway, when you hear about a third party game on a next-gen console, it means it's not being developed by an in-house developer of Sony or Microsoft. 265 -
NodiezaVivicious 10.22.2005 14:06 I'm gonna try out F.E.A.R., but after that I'll check out that forum you're talking about. That SotC sounds pretty cool btw, I didn't know there was a secret colossus. I've finally got some free time on my hands this week, yet I haven't really gotten into playing much yet lately. Still, SotC is def. at the top of my list as so far it's awesome. I also can't wait for NG Black to get here, try that one out at the hardest difficulty..yikes. :-) 266 -
ViviciousMaleficus the Great 10.22.2005 14:38 Was it my #208 comment that set you off? I wasn't on PS3 Player's side, I was making fun of him. The reason I ask is because I want us to be alright with each other and to not have any hard feelings. By the way, I am American and I can understand why you would have some anger towards the U.S. and it's government. I believe that we shouldn't have went into Iraq, and that there is one reason why we did: oil. Our "president" and V.P. Cheney (as well as many other members of the Republican religious right) has a lot of stock in the oil business and the reason to go there and ruin so many peoples lives (Iraqi and American) was so that the corrupt politicians of America could make money. Most Americans are opposed to the war in Iraq and want our forces to pull out as soon as possible. No hard feelings, Vivicious. 267 -
To ViviciousUnregistered - PCgamer 10.22.2005 14:44 F.E.A.R is OK, not as good as I thought it would be, just started playing Quake 4 which aint too bad so far, looking forward to Call of Duty 2 (PC) 268 -
To # 263 PS3playerUnregistered - Booda 10.22.2005 15:14 You know what bro? your one lucky dude if you say who you say you are, or did you rob the PC your on now? cos last time I was in your hood, no f*cker had PC's my friend, I say your a fake mutherf*cker, what you say now foo? what you go to jail for? burglary? cos you aint killed no f*cker. Why dont you try step to me huh? you and all your school friends. I show you the meaning of fear. Dont try acting like the big boyz cos you find yourself dead at the edge of the sidewalk, go play your video games and stop acting like some hard dude cos I know your fakeing it, I can see right through you. 269 -
Vivicious 10.22.2005 16:38 No Maleficus, I could tell you were being funny, just stupid comments by PS3Player that started getting annoying. American politics I know quite a bit about, (probably more than most Americans ;-) hehe) and protected contracting and oil aren't the only reasons, but this isn't really the place to talk about it. Thanks for the post though, and there are no hard feelings. :P Pcgamer = Still haven't tried it out, just got back so I'm going to any second. Quake 4 is coming in a few days, though I got that mainly for the MP. I think I'm going to wait with CoD 2 so I can play it on my X360. 270 -
IndicaSativa!!!!!!!!Unregistered - IndicaSativa 10.22.2005 18:25 everyone on this site that has responded to any sh*t talkin is as immature as the person who first said it... dont respond to posts with no intelectual background to it and the post wouldnt be so filled up.... dont talk sh*t about usa citizens... (human waste) ps3 player vivioius what ever your names are keep your opinions to your self if they dont have any impact on any situation expect your insignificant ones.................. im 20 yrs old in the usa and its sad i have the intelligence the surpasses yours just because i dont talk sh*t 271 -
Unregistered - Dev 1032 10.22.2005 18:47 I basicaly said the same as what carmack is saying, in another thread. I find it strange that he didnt mention PS3 is easy to develope for with a ready made game engine, like Carmack's own Doom engine for instance. Game engines run very well on PS3, its just the tools and documentation that arent up to the standards of Ms. Rockstar North and a few other developers are creating their own game engine's. Once you have your game engine built, its easy to get a game up and running, then its just a matter of optimisation. 272 -
To # 270Unregistered - funnyonion 10.22.2005 19:01 You do talk sh*t, I just saw you say (type) the word "sh*t" 273 -
ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS!Unregistered - theonenonly 10.22.2005 23:54 No need to say more. 274 -
Unregistered - faaasf 10.23.2005 00:02 i played the 360 at wallmart the game i played sucked (this is my opinion though) 275 -
Unregistered - LOSER 10.23.2005 00:04 That guy is a LOSER! 276 -
Unregistered - hjg 10.23.2005 00:06 I agree that guy is a LOSER, John Carmack 277 -
I should have gotten the linkHavoc 10.23.2005 00:30 I was doing some searching on google and yahoo I had to translate the page but I found something but I forgot to get the link. Sony is expected to make some announcements or details about the ps3 on the 27th of oct but don't expected playable games. It would be cool if they showed off a new controller. 278 -
Unregistered - daf 10.23.2005 05:15 4 more days buddy til the annoucement 279 -
SILENCE IMBECILES!!Unregistered - GOD 10.23.2005 07:57 WORTHLESS MORTALS STOP YOUR BICKERING, OR I SHALL CAST YOU INTO THE FIERY PITS OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, ONE MORE THING 360 ROX PS3 SUX HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 280 -
hahahahhaaUnregistered - ahshshahahah 10.23.2005 09:04 funk ps3 281 -
Unregistered - jimmy 10.23.2005 10:00 xbox 360 will win coz people are too impatient plus developers for the 360 will be 6 months ahead of the ps3 and thats without that the fact that 360 is better developing for than the ps3. ps nintendo will sell a hel of alot of consles coz because its so cheap and everybody will buy it as there second console, as the games on nintendo are so unique 282 -
Unregistered - wotter 10.23.2005 12:41 Damn those xboxfans, they are more here than on a xboxforum :) rofl. I think they are jealous or something, instead of buying xbox360 and seeing ingame clips, they rather post here. Strange people xbox fans, btw ps3 rules :). 283 -
Please I beg all to read this thread!Nodieza 10.23.2005 12:50 Read this thread CAREFULLY, it's full of so much useful info. The interview that takes up half the thread is IMPORTANT. "http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=47231" This explains, Ps3 price and why xbox360 is just xbox1.5 and why cell is so amazing. It's truly great in my opinion. 1 more collusus to go.... yeah Fear isn't the BEST game, but it's better than Doom 3(PC) and Halo 2 ^.^ GO HL2!!! Call of Duty 2 demo(pc) is sweet!!!! Can anyone explain whats the deal with the hd-dvd 360 thing? Did they dish it? If so that would suck, there is an estimate floating around that within a year of next gen launch that games will be using 20gig min. That could be a problem yes? 284 -
Vivicious 10.23.2005 14:01 I hope that 20 gig thing isn't right, as games of a certain generation should be getting smaller (Except maybe Japanese CGI ridden RPG's), not bigger. The compression should only be getting better, I doubt we will see 20 gigs for quite a long time, maybe in FF or the like, but that's about it. Fear is a good example, if that game hadn't used certain compression tech's (Look how few files are in the game dir as well) you could expect that game to be at least 5x as big. The only thing that's a bit odd about that post is about Blu-ray. The fact that they think it will be so expensive (or at least one of the reasons) is because the writing layer was so thin. The equipment needed for that was incredibly expensive, though they're already deep into research as to how to make this cheaper, I just don't know when that info and tech. will be on the market. Btw: "Clearly, Devil May Cry 4 is early in development. The game currently doesn't have a release date. Kobayashi promises to start thinking about a release date for Devil May Cry 4 once the PS3 has seen release." :-( That kinda sucks, I was hoping a bit that DMC 4 would be a release title, or at least very close to it. This seems to say the opposite, check IGN for a few more details on DMC 4. 285 -
Vivicious 10.23.2005 14:05 So far I've enjoyed Doom 3 better than FEAR, though I've always been a big Doom fan since '92/'93. I really enjoyed the old skool feeling, something that quite a few people didn't release Doom 3 was about. FEAR is still pretty cool so far, I need a PC upgrade though, I need to play this game with everything at max. :P I've run into a silly point at the start by the way, I was sneaking along, and this guy that suddenly lashes out at you with a pipe or whatever it is (If you've played it, you know which part I mean.) and I shoot him in the head. Lol, the guy still hits me though. I wasn't even looking in his direction, just a lucky flick of the wrist I guess, still, it was pretty funny. 286 -
Unregistered - SPAZ 10.23.2005 14:29 THE FUNNY THING IS THAT NOT ALL THE DEV TOOLS ARE OUT FOR THE PS3 YET. BUT IAM SURE HE WILL CHANGE HIS MIND WHEN THEY GET THE FINAL DEV KITS. 287 -
#283Unregistered - the mighty boosh 10.23.2005 14:45 i just been to that link and i must say what a load of bullsh1t notice the name of the person that posted it..... psfanboy its just a forum post from a kid who knows nothing and i am getting sick of all this xb1.5 cr@p. even the bloke from ID said the ps3 is only slightly more powerfull. at this moment in time sony has just a list of specs on paper a mock up of an actual console some dildo shaped controler design and a couple of flashy vids and why are you lot wetting your selves over the "cell" do you knock one out every time intell or AMD bring out a new processer ???? soon the cell will be so far out of date it will be laughable . intell and AMD will not want to lose out to sony. or do you wet your selves because its got a "cool" name that sounds like it should belong in a terminator movie..."i am the T 2562 powered by cell technology....i'll be baaaaack" i was undr the understanding that being a gamer meant you were into "GAMES" not consoles....????? 288 -
Punk Street 10.23.2005 15:14 Epic games is making games for both consoles plus they licensed the Unreal engine to make complex game development easier for Sony in an article and Unreal Tournament 2007 might come out for both consoles so I kind of wonder what really is going on. The only racing games I'm looking foward to are Full Auto for the Xbox 360 & Ps3 and Fatal Inertia for the ps3, I hope someone makes a Biker Gang game haven't seen one before, it doesn't have to be like GTA, but that's an intersting concept. 289 -
Punk Street 10.23.2005 15:19 So all these rumours started because of an damn joke, people do take things too seriously. 290 -
Unregistered - Black Mist 10.23.2005 15:25 I read the article that Nodieza put up and it makes perfect sense. 291 -
Unregistered - Biohazehard 10.23.2005 16:51 I think what Punk Street's trying to say is that the Unreal Engine will make things easier for game development, plus I read Game Informer from time to time and the Guy's who made Fight Night said it was easy to make games for the ps3. 292 -
ps2 slimline Unregistered - Kurama 10.23.2005 17:03 what color is better? i heard some of the black ones have adapter problems, and silver ones don't run certain games like tekken 5! are silver and satin silver the same? i wish sony can resolve these quality issues or they will have serious problems competing MS and their 360. i'm a sony fan but i'm not going to buy 3 or 4 PS3s in the next 6 years! 293 -
# 292Unregistered - Ken Katuragi 10.23.2005 17:28 Oh yes you will, you will buy as MANY of my PS3's as I command, Mwhahahahahahaha!!!! 294 -
nooooooooo!! ^_^Unregistered - Kurama 10.23.2005 17:42 come on ,don't be an ass please. we're not that fanatical. PS3 ROCKS! XBOX360 ROCKS TOO! 295 -
Unregistered - Crack 10.23.2005 18:35 Have you guys heard of the Phantom Console I heard some stuff about it but not much about the games. 296 -
Punk Street 10.23.2005 18:50 I'm just going to wait until some news come's up I'll only be here from time to time. 297 -
Vivicious 10.23.2005 19:00 I haven't heard anything about Phantom for quite a while, at least before the info started coming out on the next-gen consoles. Anyway, their website is still up: http://www.phantom.net/ So if you want some info I suggest you go there. It's a pretty simple concept, kind of like a CD-i setup with downloadable games and content really. :P 298 -
Unregistered - Serious Sam 10.23.2005 19:00 All the tools for the ps3 aren't out yet. 299 -
TMPunk Street 10.23.2005 19:22 I was born in Canada, but I moved to the United States to help my family out, you guy's can make fun of me with whatever sterotype you want but I think people who resort to those kind of judgements are ignorant. To be honest I think the Ps3, the Xbox 360 will do fine but the Rev is kind of an mystery since they haven't showed what it can do and the games, but hopefully Nintendo can deliver and I hope more original games come out for all the consoles. 300 -
Hideoblog Havoc 10.23.2005 20:51 Hey for those of you who want to keep up with hideo kojima and some of the things he goes through on a daily bases, they have now translated hideo's blog in english. It's actually pretty good if it was made into a book I would read it, he talks about what happens at work and some of the games he is working on and mentions MGS4. Hideo kojima is an intelligent man and his blogs are pretty nice, I would recmommend taking a look at them. here is the link http://www.gamespot.com/news/6136295.html make sure you click on the second web site word for it to be translated english. 301 -
Yay yay my life is officialy complete.....Nodieza 10.23.2005 21:26 Sweet vivicious you actually shot the guy? Dang when he swung that thing at me I threw it in slow mo and got hit slowly ^.^ it was funny. Crazy little girl. Poor you has to suffice for Medium graphics, doesn't look that much worse than Max. unless you have great attention to detail Yeah I enjoy the old skool feel of Doom 3 kinda like Unreal Torn. with a story. I beat Shadow of Coll. I hope everyone who plays it has played ICO first or the ending is going to be REALLY confusing, it still is, but it explains a few things and yeah.... PLAY ICO FIRST.... Am I the only one who's noticed your characters hair color changed about midway through game?... the ending is great by the way.... sorry I'll shut up, hurry and beat it ;p heh... I read another article about movies and Blu ray, Warner bros and others predict that movies soon will be taking up 20-30gig for the video, 5-8 for audio and the rest will be for behind the scenes etc, etc. Hd dvd would be nice for games but not good enough for high quality movies.... but not like that matters much now... it is sorta funny how Bill Gates supported HD-Dvd then now he's saying that Hd-dvd AND blu ray aren't good enough.... I don't know it's crazy, don't really care anymore, I just want to play Dynasty Warriors with havok physics!!!!! Heh. Heavenly Sword should cure that fix if Koei doesn't do it themselves. Peace!!! 302 -
Some more blabbingNodieza 10.23.2005 21:54 Sorry for the posting twice but I beat Shadow of Col. in 10hours and 46min just so everyone can know how long it took me. The ending is worth everything!! Last 3 bosses took me FOREVER!!!! I also am pretty sure I know what the hidden 17th collosus is..... sweetness.... Now I have to beat it on Hard, Time Attack, and Hard Time Attack so I can fight that Mutha ^.^ I am actually currently addicted to Fable TLC, already have 12 hours on that game. ahhh gaming glory, now only if Zelda TP will come out.... been waiting forever, one of the few reasons I own a GC. Vivicious You're probably right about the games getting smaller, it was just a thing floating around the internet, but the thing about the movies is pretty straight foward, higher resoloution, higher storage capacity needed. A rumor is going around that ps3 might not be region coded, which would be awsome, psp pulled it off so it's possible, and might be more so possible if sony does a global release. what do you think? Sorry if that FEAR thing I wrote sounded like I was calling you a little girl >.> I was just saying how creepy that girl is in the game, she lit me on fire >.> and threw me out a window (not really thrown). Am I the Only Dynasty Warrior Fan here? DW5 kicked serious azz, it simply rocked, although Ikaguari (or whatever the hell that game is, the one with 63,000 troops on screen) seems to be giving koei a run for their money as well, the in-game looks fun... but maybe that's just me. Vivicious, Man I grew up on Atari and the Apple II, then Nes eventually. How about you? I remember my dad and I stayed up all night while he downloaded the shareware version of doom over Fax!!!! It was the sweetest thing ever at the time... ahh memories... Young whipper-snappers spoiled with all there technology. ^.^ gooooood night! and peace! 303 -
Oh... My... God!!!Rozza Ritch 10.23.2005 22:15 Not speaking to everyone here but I cant believe how many immature, ill informed, rude, obnoxious little twats there are posting on this forum. Its unbelievable!!! You know who you are! To the people that are using reference material from other sites, stop making di*ks of yourselves by using material that is either speculatory or biased, and get your facts straight!!! No one knows which console will be better yet so we will all wait and see! Why does it matter so much to you all anyhow? They will be both out there for us to buy. You talk about these consoles like they are family members! You really need to get lives or get help, maybe both! Both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses! Personally the 360 is for me but I am under no illusion that the PS3 will still rule the roost. The console war will be won on sales and just by looking at the amount of posts on this PS3 website compared to posts on the 360 website should tell you which console the consumer is more interested in. There are 5 - 6 times more posts on this site than the 360 one! But let me tell you this, I like being in my little xbox group, its more exclusive, less commercial if you like. The underdog always has to try that little bit harder to catch the leader and that generally makes for more exiting content. So yes the PS3 will sell more consoles and win the war but does that make it the best? Well no it doesnt, it means its just more commercially viable, a little bit like the difference between a manufactured pop band and a band that worked hard and gigged every day to get where thay are! The pop band will sell more records, but the music is never quite as good is it!!! 304 -
Great post rozzaUnregistered - Great Post rozza 10.24.2005 08:39 Best post yet. 305 -
FAO RozzaUnregistered - Alien8 10.24.2005 09:25 Although i fully agree with what your saying about the idiots posting crap on here Rozza, i dont agree with your reasoning behind the popularity of the consoles. A lot of people post on here, yes, however a LOT of posts are from people who use 360 news site and wankers who enjoy stirring up trouble and generally getting on people's nerves. And I beleive that the 360 news site is moderated (a lot of the crap gets deleted) whereas this site doesnt seem to be. I got my 360 pre-ordered back in August and can't wait. I also plan on buying a PS3 depending on price and when its released here (UK). 306 -
PS3Player and Vivicious WTF?????Unregistered - GAMEFACE 10.24.2005 09:54 First of all this post is not intended to be a lecture or some kind of political statement, usually I like to stay on topic, but I just have to make a few comments about these two idiots (and I usually dont call names but "idiots" is a understatement). PS3Player(or want-to-be-gangster)your posts are honestly the most ridiculous posts that I have ever read. Why do you continue to come on the internet and threaten people like they are actually going to be afraid of you? You can't be serious, you are embarrassing yourself, really! I wish you didn't mention that you were black, like somehow that makes it OK for you to sound like an idiot, I'm black, Im a Marine, and I actually deployed to Iraq with my unit(for 7 months)...but my point is that most black people don't go around talking like a goddamm idiot and YES Marines do fight and we kick@ss...but only when neccessary...being tough and having alot of heart is one thing, but trying to pick fights and threaten people just ain't how we do things. Hey I don't want to just come on here and put you down, but my advice to you is not to join the military right now, because it takes alot of discpline and maturity....honestly I have had my share of fights, but a real man fights when he is physically threatened(self defense) or for a cause greater than himself...thats what I do and thats the type of men who join the MARINES...now Im not trying to sound like a poster, or some kind of spokesman, this is truly just how I feel personally since Im in the military I believe that we are fighting a good cause......which brings me to the other F#&CKING IDIOT VIVICIOUS, WTF?....you are a good for nothing 2 FACED BASTARD, you are much worst than PS3Player because although he is very stupid to want to fight somebody because you don't like their comments on the internet(LOL), at least he will tell you to your face and not stabb you in the back like the COWARD you are. You obviously like to buy American products like Xbox, and I bet there many other American things you like, deep down I think your jealous of Americans, secretly you want to be one,(dont hate) but then you have the nerve to trash the whole American military because of one idiot.....then you want to continue posting and chit chatting on this site with other Americans like its OK.....see I know your type, you smile in peoples face and talk sh!t behind their backs, listen I don't believe everything that America does is right, Im not some brainwashed MF that thinks America is perfect, we make mistakes, I don't think everyone should agree with our choice to go to War, but everyone should have enough common sense to realize that the terrorist want to RULE people or KILL them, is that better than America trying to bring freedom?,(they just had their 1st democratic election) and thats because we are willing to help people who need it, most other country's only care about themselves(greed) and yes alot of our politicians only care about themselves but America and Americans as a whole actually want to see everyone have a better life....I've been to Iraq, and I can tell you personally that the real Iraqi people (the everyday average guy) are glad we are there, and even though life is hard right now(becuase of terrorists) when its all said and done they will have more freedom to live there lives, rather than to endure torture from Saddam or people like him that want to RULE them. Everyone talks sh!t about America until they have a disaster, then they take our money, or worse some other country threatens them, and then they want our military's help.....but people like you are useless...you stand for nothing, I don't promote violence but the badguys usually don't go away because your Mommy said they better leave you alone and somehow I get the feeling if they were headed your way, you wouldn't do f*&cking thing about it.....except run. 307 -
Man, # 306Retard 10.24.2005 10:20 Gees, you got alot to say on this site... But... Where does Viv speak poorly of the military... (i can't find it,i'm slow!) I want know because my dad is in the military, he's the CO of the USS Gettysburg FL. yeh... 308 -
#307Unregistered - GAMEFACE 10.24.2005 11:06 In post #211, he makes a comment about joining the military to rape and murdering innocent people, he also talks trash about America and says that only poor people join because we have no other option....he sounds like a snob who thinks he's better than others, but like I said he's a COWARD!....read the damm post OK! 309 -
CommentMathoss 10.24.2005 12:09 Since everyone seems to talk anything except PS3. I would like to talk about my gan'ma's apple pie. It taste great, the crust is tender and the apples just melts in your mouth. NO Seriously guys lets get back to the reason we are here "Next-Gen" consoles. 310 -
We'll see..da man #245Unregistered - Akakage 10.24.2005 12:11 DA MAN...how do you know that ps3 will have the best games? What if Nintendo does? What if Msoft does? What if they all suck and PC re-emerges as the gamer's console of choice? The marketplace if fickle, what is popular today could be trash hated tomorrow. Don't believe me ask MC Hammer...he's on top of the world one day...then boom..he's broke (MC HAMMER..muahahahhaa). My point is no one knows what is going to happen. If History repeats itself then Sony could very well be dominate again. This generation Sony came out first Msoft released second...and even though it was more powerful failed to topple sony. What if history repeats itself that way? Then Msoft could win. Realistically speaking Sony has about 65% - 70% of the market as it stands now. So unless the rumor of PS3 development costs being so steep that companies are deciding to produce games on X360 are in-fact true, Sony has an advantage. One things I do believe is because PS3 is harder and more expensive to develop for (how much harder and more expensive is the question) Developers will be less likely to take risks trying new things and instead will do much like Hollywood and opt for sequels and remakes of exsisting franchises. Its already happening now. Look at X360's current line up...mostly sequels. Almost all the games shown for PS3 have been sequels as well (MGS4, DMC4, RE5, Fight Night r3...etc.) It will be interesting to see who will be the "trend-setters" of the next gen. My money is on Sega (who always takes risks..sometimes they pay-off and other times..well), Team Ninja (Itagaki is awesome), Kojima productions (Hideo Kojima, nuff said), Webzen and NCsoft (korean based companies are bringing alot of originality these days), Rockstar (maybe they will maybe they won't)and lastly UBIsoft. I believe one if not all of these companies will release some truly amazing things in this next-gen. Although any of the companies or perhaps some newcomer could surprise us and come up with something truly amazing. That is what I can't wait to see. What will be the metal gear's, halo's and GTA's of the next gen? 311 -
WaitingMathoss 10.24.2005 12:53 I really hope Sony give us something to chew on pretty soon. Right now everything we have is some PS3 specs that could change on the way, some animation in real time rendering and a short list on what is on dev... Potentially it is a great console (Sorry XBOX fan but it is a fact that it is more powerfull) but nothing that could blow me away and swear allegence to Sony! It is so close I am still wondering wich one to buy. I respect Sony for the CELL that is a masterpiece of electronical architechture but by the time it hits the market XBOX is probabbly going to have more titles availlable. The only thing keeping me PS side is the MSG, GT and DMC franchise + Final Fantasy franchise (call me a fag but FF is like familly to me, been playing since the first one came out). It would take some good RPG on XBOX and i would probably switch with the current situation. 312 -
#306Vivicious 10.24.2005 12:56 I like how you can see exactly what kind of person I am from a few posts made on an internet gaming news site. Let's take quotes from my post and yours shall we? To make sure I know where you're coming from. Ok, just about every comment that concerned "Americans" (for example: "your "military" buddy's to die in the desert in Iraq so the guys there can put them where they belong, six feet under") was directed solely at PS3Player, hence the words "buddies, like you" and the like. So you obviously must be getting this whole asessment from one comment, namely: "Do you even watch the news? Half your "military" exsists of god damn cowards you ghetto piece of crap, go join the military, and get to raping and murdering innocent people and then come back to me and talk about cowardice." Like I said, the "half the military" comment was overdone, this doesn't immediatly mean there is no grain of truth in the matter. And while we're on the subject, you're guilty of the exact opposite, why the hell are you downplaying the stuff I mentioned? "we make mistakes". God damn right you make mistakes you asshole, and it's because of your low standards in your military. Does that mean most of the guys aren't normal people? No, and if you would have read the rest of my comments concerning the matter you'd see I have several friends in the American military (As well as Canadian and German Airforce). And: "but everyone should have enough common sense to realize that the terrorist want to RULE people or KILL them...is that better than America trying to bring freedom?" My god, for someone that doesn't want to make a political comment, this was a pretty f*cked up thing to say, is this what they tell you before shipping out to Iraq you sick bastard? To make you feel better? Then you get all pissed off people are judging your goverment and military, and you yourself say things like: "most other country's only care about themselves(greed)" "Everyone talks sh!t about America until they have a disaster, then they take our money, or worse some other country threatens them, and then they want our military's help" that sound completely uneducated, and is typical macho talk. "You obviously like to buy American products like Xbox, and I bet there many other American things you like, deep down I think your jealous of Americans" LoL, now you're acting like I hate Americans in general? I'm not the one saying racist comments against entire countries like you buddy, don't bring me down to your level. Look, I don't care that you're pissed off at something I said, hell, I even admitted to overdoing it in that case. But you have to turn it not only into personal insult, but all these made up psychological asessments like you know what kind of person I am. I'm not even going to say what I think of you right now, as you'd never learn anything from it anyway, same goes for me or anyone else here. " at least he will tell you to your face and not stabb you in the back like the COWARD you are." "see I know your type, you smile in peoples face and talk sh!t behind their backs" I'm not going to quote all the comments saying what kind of person I am, etc. As that would have to be half your post towards me, but this is alot worse anyway. Maybe you've learned alot about cowardice while over in Iraq (Zing!), but do you even understand the definition of it? Where the hell do I stab that guy in the back with any comment I make. You're the one here making up all these opinions on me from 1 post, yet talk about being a "big man". I honestly don't care what you think, and you shouldn't care what I think. But maybe you should consider a career in psychology instead of the military? Or am I acting like a coward again? Hey, go to hell! Oh wait, was that a cowardice comment again? You sound like an ignorant prick. Oops, are you around to read this? Or am I stabbing you in the back? Go back to what you're good at, instead of lecturing someone based on one comment made to a person that acts like a complete moron. Take that seriously if you want, but take my comments about you seriously as well. 313 -
Are you done?Unregistered - Blah 10.24.2005 13:57 My god man STFU! No one here care or futher more wants to hear you rant about BS. Not a single thing in that post was about the PS3 so why the F*ck did you post it? The last I checked this was a comments board regarding the PS3 not you personal life. Go to some message board and rant not here. Thank you. 314 -
Unregistered - M 10.24.2005 14:30 You will have to rebuy your xbox library so it is not that great and who cares about the dev tools only freking lazy ass programmers will go to easy programming tools and plus bluray roms are still in development you could not built a 10k computer like the ps3. And the ps3 will be able to play ps1 and ps2 games without rebuying your library. The other stupid thing that MS did is to sell two retail systems. That is just stupid. Plus the bluray disk is scratched free disk. The other thing that the ps3 has that xbox360 does not have is the capab. to put it in two full HD tv's (1080i and 1080p). That is next gen. 315 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 14:31 Vivicious, shut the hell up. You are such a loser that you would post ome dumb comment about all that crap. get a life man. This is a PS3 forum, and you are tlaking about some BS. There really needs to be some type of moderator for this site, its really getting ridiculous. Its losing the integrity of being just about games, PS3 games, and PS3 console. Not Xbox, not no damn military crap, not losers comming in here talking junk. Very simple, PS3 and how awesome its going to be. PS3Today, you should be more responsible for what you let on these forums. 316 -
Vivicious 10.24.2005 15:03 I'm reacting to someone else, deal with it. I've tried time and again to stay on topic but you idiots don't want to obviously. 317 -
Vivicious Support.Mathoss 10.24.2005 15:32 Vivicious usually don't write that kind of things. But on this board it is kind of ironic: some person are there only to put some dirt on the other, then if you don't react they'll just post 10 more comment with more dirt because you don't repond and if you react, well others complain that you had a reaction. Vivicious don't bother and please ignore all comment not concerning the subjet, you have some interresting points, so don't get to their level. 318 -
QuestionMathoss 10.24.2005 15:36 Does anyone know if the output of the console video card is going to be fix with a converter or variable direct output? 319 -
PAUL CERULA 10.24.2005 16:07 Can't we all just be friends......YAH RIGHT 320 -
PAUL CERULA 10.24.2005 16:10 But I do agree that you, Vivicious, spend way way too much time on this site. I'm not calling you a nerd or obsessive just relax. I only check news a few times a day inbetween classes here at PSU. Quality over Quantity remember that vivicious 321 -
rebuy??Unregistered - Akakage 10.24.2005 16:22 Hmm..No where I have read says that you have to re-purchase your xbox library if you want to play your original xbox games. They will infact be downloads available via xbox live that update the xbox emulator built into x360, then you can pop in whatever game it was you have and play, no purchase required..well other than your original purchase of the game, and x360 harddrive. I'm very interested in what PS3 is capable of. I was upset at E3 I waited in a line about 45 minute long just to see an HDTV presentation and some pre-rendered video (it was an insult to the intelligence of gamers everywhere that sony tried to pass that pre-rendered Killzone video as gameplay footage). The MGS4 video was real-time and quite impressive but still was not gameplay footage. Assassin was a realtime render at ATI's booth running on a 360 beta that looked equally as impressive. There is no doubt in my mind Hideo Kojima will make a stunning game, but my question is will it look everybit as good as that real-time render? EA swore up and down that the commercial during the draft would pale in comparison to the real thing..right now..they don't seem to be delivering on that promise. Sony has promised the world about in-game graphics the last time...remember the whole "ps2 will have toy story 2 graphics/ps2 can render toy story 2 in real-time" fiasco. That being said..I am anxious to see what PS3 can really do..it was suppose to be playable at TGS but it no showed. The longer they make gamers wait and tease us with these renders..and no actual in-game footage..the higher our expectations are gonna be...which means the bigger the let down, very seldomly does a game company deliver what they promise in actual console performance. I'm gonna get a 360 because I'm a huge fan of Halo, all Team Ninja/tecmo games (they make heavenly games), bioware, and I'm very interested in Namco's Frame City Killer. I'm gonna get a PS3 also (depending on if the current price rumors are true) because I'm a HUGE Devil May Cry fan, MGS series and I curious about Heavenly Sword. The time for Tech demos is over...give up some gameplay footage and some pricing. Its time to see how much of what sony has said is fact and how much is fiction. 322 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 16:37 I agree with 321, with all the hype that sony is making about the graphics, I want it to be just like that, they better deliver. I dont want them to make up all these video's and say it going to look like that, and then have it about 85% like that, thats not good enough, by them holding off like this, and talking all this hype, they cannot under deliver at all. They better come thru, or they will lose a big fan. I am putting my money on Sony, literally. 323 -
PS3 CG quality claimsUnregistered - Furious 10.24.2005 16:45 I know this is not the topic of this thread, but I keep hearing that PS3 is suppose to have CG quality graphics. I know this is a vague term, because CG can greatly vary in quality. Some people predict the PS3 could pull off late PS1 early PS2 quality CG in game! If my memory serves me correctly the Final Fantasy series had some incredible CG in FF VIII & FF IX I would like to see a link to view some of the CG scenes from those games. Also it would be nice if I could see a link for the Tekken intro movies Tekken 2,3. If the PS3 can pull off that quality of CG I would be extremely impressed with the visual. I'm not just refering to character design I'm talking about lighting, background detail, camera work & animation. If you could shoot me a link to view some of those old CG movies I would appreciate it. Also, I would like to see others thoughts on this subject. Peace 324 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 16:52 Dude, Tekken 5 on the PS2 has better in-game graphics than the CG quality of PS1 games. The PS3 is going to kill that quality. Now, the CG quality of the Late generation games for the PS2, The PS3 should be able to handle that pretty nicely too. 325 -
Viv, That is fu©ked upUnregistered - Dude 10.24.2005 17:00 --"Do you even watch the news? Half your "military" exsists of god damn cowards you ghetto piece of crap, go join the military, and get to raping and murdering innocent people and then come back to me and talk about cowardice."--- i know you said you "over reacted" but jesus... my dad was killed over there along with his company that was destroyed on the helicopter, words might be words but that's seriously fu©ked up even the "bad half" of those soldiers protect us and everyone in this country from harm (if you basing this off the news it's total non sence / over 500 new reporters and jornalists have died over there) 326 -
Ahhh, Look !Retard 10.24.2005 17:04 "...Sony has reaffirmed its commitment to the protection of minors from the effects of violent videogames with the announcement of in-built parental controls for its next generation PS3 console..." www.Gameindustry.biz (just google it) 327 -
#324 look at the big pictureUnregistered - Furious 10.24.2005 17:16 #324 I agree the PS3 will be powerful, but saying the system will be able to produce late PS2 CG is pushing it... Look at my complete statement, I'm not talking about just character design, because I agree we see that now with AAA PS2 & XBox titles. I'm talking about the entire package primarily the lighting and the detailed backgrounds. I remember the FF8 & 9 CG movies having amazing animation backgrounds and lighting. I would like to see links of the movies to see if my memory is giving the CG work in those games too much credit. Also, Namco has supplied quality CG intros so if that's the target we are looking for with PS3 I would like to see links to the CG movies. I tried google with little success... 328 -
326 Mathoss 10.24.2005 17:20 So how many of you guys will be able to play violent games, you will all have to ask your mommy to unlock your PS3. Just kidding guys! Seriously if that is the case this could lead to much more violent and realistics games since Sony will have their parental lock as an excuse if they ever get a complaint. Things like the last rockstar GTA San Andreas sex scene could be more common without any chance of get the world offended they will tranfer the responsability on parent who dont use the parental controle. 329 -
#328Unregistered - Furious 10.24.2005 17:25 Agreed 330 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 17:52 I think your memory is giving too much credit to the PS1 CG movies, I think everyone here will back me up on that. The PS3 is going to be a complete different animal. Its going to be a beast. It will surely have in game graphics that will far out do PS1 CG, including lighting, and background animation, like I said before, tekken 5 has unbelievable lighting and background detail. PS3 is gonna rock man. 331 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 17:58 have you seen the Fiery set in tekken 5, when you get close to the heat, the picture starts to warp, giving it the illusion that its really hot. its awesome, if the PS2 can do that, which is a 5 year old system, imagine what the ps3 can do. 332 -
Vivicious 10.24.2005 18:15 I guess we should expect graphics def. surpassing CGI from, for example, the PS1. Which means games like FF VII and FF VIII, but I doubt in all cases of course. Keeping the detail at such a high rate, with the viewing distance and amount of detail onscreen with some movies from FF VIII seems a tad unrealistic. I guess we'll have to see how they surprise us. Mathoss: Answer to your question, I'm pretty certain it will have a variable direct output (Like the PS 2), but can't pull a link out of my sleeve at the moment. The "parent lock" is def. a must for consoles nowadays, though it just seems to me like an easy way for those lazy parents to set up the console once so they don't have to pay attention to raising their children properly. :P Still, seeing all the recent court stirs with Rockstar and the like, it is the right step to take. 333 -
Parental Lockage ...Retard 10.24.2005 18:33 Ah, isn't great to see court rooms stir with such an amazing buzz with the poorly made sex scene in GTA San Andreas/God of War ? However, look at it with this stand point ... The movie business... 40-50 years ago Hollywood wouldn't dare show the female body half exposed to the general pubic.... Now it seems to be a neccesity in movies and movie goers alike... So give games some time.... They'll catch up! 334 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 18:40 I think the politician are still thinking of video games as a childs toy. They dont realize that the term videogame, is not the same term as it were in the 80's and early 90's. These "videogames" have matured into something much more than just chewing yellow dots while running away from ghosts. They should not be referred to "videogames" but something more descriptve, like interactive software. 335 -
Vivicious 10.24.2005 18:46 Haha, sounds like pretty logical reasoning to me. Yea, it seems some companies thrive on creating such an upheavel (Rockstar for example.), which I don't really appreciate. But on the other hand, restricting the sales of these games because of, for example, faulty parenting, seems a bit harsh for the rest of us gamers that are of age. GTA: SA is a pretty good example, the average age of gamers playing that game must be around 13-16, yet it's current age restriction is 18? Seems to be something wrong with that if you ask me. :P I'm not saying we shouldn't let kids play these kind of games at all, but the parents should at least be present to see what kind of effect certain games have on kids. So we don't end up with people like this: http://funnyhits.de/index.php?movie=/videos/agressiv.wmv walking the streets. ;-) By the way, I had posted a reason earlier (somewhere between 100-200 posts probably, too lazy to look it up.) why worrying about the costs of Blu-ray is probably no longer an issue. I found an article confirming the statement if anyone is interested because of missing the article before or whatnot. "Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd (owners of the Panasonic brand) have established a new technology which will lower the production costs of next generation Blu-Ray discs (BD) to almost the same level as current DVD production costs. " Full article: http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/130 336 -
To # 326 RetardUnregistered - ?????? 10.24.2005 18:49 Sony are already useing parental control for games on PSP, so it was expected for PS3 too, just imagine how great the new GTA game will be on PS3, totaly awsome!! I cant wait. 337 -
#334Vivicious 10.24.2005 18:54 I agree, but there seemed to be a dip in the age of the average gamer somewhere (probably late) in the 90's, only to be recently in the last few years growing to a higher age group again. But end of the 80's and early 90's it seemed to be a majority of adult gamers. The humor in adventure games like Space Quest was clearly aimed at an adult audience, not to mention the raunchy humor of Leisure Suit Larry. Even the simpler games from text-based RPG's to FPS's and the like seemed to contain reasonable amounts of violence. They don't seem to realise that games aren't getting worse content wise, it's the gap between fiction and reality that is getting smaller, due to the advances in graphics the last decade or so. Kids should be made more aware of that fact, that games are meant to be fictive, otherwise we'll be seeing a complete ban of videogames somewhere along the line when the graphics start to get too real. And the adults there are interested in certain "interactive entertainment" will be the dupe of that. It seems tolerance of technology isn't what it used to be, and games seem to be the main target at the moment. I doubt we should blame games for being a reason of the growing violence all over the world, as I'm sure it's not only entertainment that is to blame. 338 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 19:03 I read that Sony has patented a technology that aims a beam to your head which makes you see things and smell things and feel things that arent there. its based of an exisiting technology, and its still a looong ways away, about another 15 years I believe. i kid you guys not, I read this on cnn.com. Sounds cool as hell, and also kinda scary as hell. 339 -
MGS generationsUnregistered - ?????? 10.24.2005 19:39 MGS screens from PSone to PS2 and then finaly PS3, MGS4 is very possible and I believe is defenately in-game graphics MGS1 PSone: http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=c%3A%5Cimages%5Cplaystation%5C183%5Clarge%5Cbleemmgs%2D19%2Ejpg&widthvar=800 MGS2 PS2: http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=c%3A%5Cimages%5Cplaystation2%5C83%5Clarge%5C5%281%29%2Ejpg&widthvar=800 MGS3 PS2: http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=c%3A%5Cimages%5Cplaystation2%5C432%5Clarge%5CMGS3SE023%2Ejpg&widthvar=800 <GS4 PS3 1080: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/257/reviews/926596_20050916_screen005.jpg MGS4 PS3 1080: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/257/reviews/926596_20050916_screen007.jpg I have no doubt that MGS4 will look as good as the trailer in realtime. 340 -
#339 Nice PostUnregistered - Furious 10.24.2005 20:07 I like that you included links to each MGS title,(some better pics would have been nice...)But I see your point. I would like for someone to please give me a link to see Tekken 2 & 3 intro movies and some CG from FFVIII & FFIX. This is the last time I'm making the request. Peace 341 -
Vivicious 10.24.2005 20:16 I think it'd be tough to (legally) come by the original CG from games like FF VIII without owning the game, but luckily there is quite a scala of FF VII/VIII CGI and the rest used to create music videos. A quick google search brought up this site: http://www.fileplanet.com/filelist.aspx?s=91277&v=90003 I've had quite a few music videos from VII and VIII before, some of these seem as old as that. If they're the same, I recommend #7 and #12. Evanescence (not my kind of group, but still) also has music for a FF VII music video that is very well done. Google: FF VIII music video, Final Fantasy Music Video's, etc. 342 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.24.2005 20:20 Or you can buy tekken 5 and that has tekken 1 2 and 3 on there, and its the exact same as when they first came out. 343 -
Well...Retard 10.24.2005 20:35 I only played FF VII like... Once or twice... but i might be alone on this one, i thought FF VIII was an excellent game... (gameplay/story)and IX was very... under rated because it came out so late...close to the PS2 launch... 344 -
Thanks FellasUnregistered - Furious 10.24.2005 20:37 I appreciate the feedback! 345 -
helpUnregistered - cheeseballs 10.24.2005 20:44 i heard sumthn that the ps3s graphics is weakr then 7800gtx is it true? 346 -
# 345 < Look >Unregistered - oijsfoj 10.24.2005 20:46 ------------" NVIDIA contacted us today after we published the "PlayStation 3 GPU Less Powerful than GeForce 7800" story based on a report found at The Inquirer. Derek Perez, Nvidia's Director of Public Relations, was kind enough to provide us the actual paragraph from the September issue of PSM. Here is the information from the blurb in question: There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar workings with the PS3's RSX chip - only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599. The article actually says the Geforce 7800GTX is not as fast as the RSX graphics processing unit that Nvidia developed for the Playstation 3. We apologize for any confusion and we'd like to thank Nvidia for providing the exact info." And with this the facts are now seperated from fiction and the story came to an end. Just as Nvidia stated, RSX is more powerful and advanced than the 7800GTX, their fastest desktop GPU offering to date. Respective editors from Evil Avatar, The Inquirer and Team Xbox were not approached for comments and neither were we interested anymore. -------- Yeah, hope that helps. 347 -
To # 340Unregistered - ?????? 10.24.2005 21:01 If I had the games, I would have posted the FMV's myself converted to AVI, as PS1 video files are .str files. I've been searching the net for the video's but cant find anything sorry. 348 -
#347 Thanks!Unregistered - Furious 10.24.2005 21:40 Thanks for the effort man. I could not find any PSOne trailers either... I guess since the stuff is 8 or 9 years old just not posted anymore. I still would find it interesting to view the CG from the late PS1 titles, but the more footage I see for next gen games the more I believe the systems will definately surpass CG on the PSOne. Now CG on the PS2 is a different story, but perhaps after a few years of development we will see it... 349 -
To # 348Unregistered - ?????? 10.24.2005 22:16 This is the best I can do, CG PS1 Tekken 3 pic: http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=c%3A%5Cimages%5Cplaystation%5C177%5Clarge%5Cscreen16%2Ejpg&widthvar=800 I could probably find more pics but I think this one will do. 350 -
Unregistered - DERRR 10.24.2005 22:30 IS THE VIDEO CARD ON THE XBOX 360 MORE POWERFUL THAN THE PS3'S AND NEWEST PC'S 351 -
HYPE-STATION 3Unregistered - BIATCH slapper 10.24.2005 23:16 PS3 will NOT be able to run games at 1080p unless you want 5fps you f@cked up sony suckers, MGS4 pfffft he's old and g@y who wants to play as him, grillzone lol nuff said, GT5 got any damage yet? any skid marks? aaahahahahahahahahaha. 352 -
351PAUL CERULA 10.24.2005 23:25 351, At least make an intelligent opinion instead of saying everything from ps3 sucks you moron. It's a matter of preference, the biggest problem is people who decide to get the Sony because they had a ps2 and/or ps1 and don't think about getting a xbox 360. 353 -
To 348Unregistered - ?????? 10.24.2005 23:26 You have to remember that Tekken 3 uses FMV (Full Motion Video) for cut scenes CGI is different, CGI (Computer generated imagery) video is generated by the console. 354 -
To # 352Unregistered - ?????? 10.24.2005 23:38 And what is wrong with getting a PS3 if you had PS1/PS2? PS3 is more powerfull, or is said to be by carmack, one of the greatest programmers in the world. Games on the other hand are what decides a console purchase and to most people on here from what I've read, prefere the PS console software over xbox software. Yea there is quite a few sequels, but they are sequels to very good games, at least most of them are good, apart from the EA franchise, which X360 will get too so who cares? 355 -
Unregistered - ?????? 10.25.2005 00:06 Talking of sequels, has anyone seen the Splinter cell 4 vid for X360? let me just say, it doesnt impress me as much as MGS4 does, here's the SC vid http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/736/736174/vids_1.html 356 -
OMG!!!Dante 10.25.2005 06:03 New PS2 amazing games forsure would keep us busy long long time ...RE4 is an awesome game soul calibur 3 the greatest hit and much more actually Im going right now to get my Shadow of the colossus great game huh!!Then I'll get some money and order that marvelous residen evil 4 and other hits ...see ya 357 -
Hey yah, hay yah....Nodieza 10.25.2005 07:01 Vivicious the current age limit for M games in America is 17, just like an R rated movie, might change soon though... Did you read my last few posts? just curious.... Ugh can someone explain to me how 20% is "marginal"?... I'd rather have 20% more power to work with as a developer than be 20% more lazy. In my opinion of course. Wow, Shadow of Col has LOTS of replay value, you get items in hard mode that help you fight the harder collosi, such as arrows that make a wizzing noise to distract when you fire them off.... it's awsome. Don't get me wrong sony HAS lied before, but at least I never felt cheated, I mean what was up with the "buy our controler THEN you can use our dvd player" bullshiz, I never liked that and now you have to have a hardrive to play your old games? *raises hands in defeat* I just don't get Microsoft, all this money yet he's so cheap.... Has anyone even seen the ps2 confrences?... yeah didn't think so, since it's not really available to download anywhere. I don't believe sony said that it would have toy story 2 in game, I think they were refering to cgi... but speaking of ps2 graphics, Yet again I'll point out that the ps2 can pull off hdr lighting and ray tracing (both in shadow of collosus) while most computers cant (Half life 2: LC will rape any gpu except the new Nvidia) and realize that's one of 360's bragging points (pulling off ray tracing and hdr lighting)????? Tell me why is that so great if ps2 can do it? Damn it Ken k. only if you had put more memory into the ps2...... My friend Kyle just spen 2k on a new computer, dual core, that new Nvidia card, the whole works... damn it's a beast just he doesn't use it... He plays ragnarok on a 2k computer >.> I'll take some pics of the beast, it's bright green, his case costs more than my computer(minus my video card). A bit excessive wouldn't you agree? Peace 358 -
Despite what I think, I'll try to stay on topicUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.25.2005 08:22 Viv, Im not going to get into a personal thing with you, I think your comments from post #211 speaks for itself, no matter how you try to flip it now...and yes I can tell what kind of person you are from your comments, that doesn't mean I know you personally, but your words tell alot about your charachter, so I stand by everything I said before.....Now I will respect the fact that this is a game site and people could care less what you or I think about anything else. On topic: I've read alot of the posts(not all of them)but it seems like too many people are focused on which console is more powerful, and of course that is always important to developers....I think that this guy is making a simple point, which is that its not always the most important thing, its only one factor to consider when developing a game, so while most dev's think PS3 is slightly more powerful, most dev's think 360 is easier to develop for, but that doesn't mean that one is better than the other, its really just comes down to what the individual developer is more comfortable with....same as gamers, personally I prefer the XBOX 360, but thats just what I like. I might end up getting a PS3 too, who knows? 359 -
Dev KitsUnregistered - ps3 will rule 10.25.2005 08:55 PS3 is stronger and that's it. MS can't increase the power of 360, it's coming in 4 weeks! but Sony has 8-9 months to perfect it's dev tools and they are doing it now! eventually PS3 will be the ULTIMATE console (most power+best tools) 360 -
# 355Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.25.2005 09:49 By the way, the game that your talking about that doesnt impress you (splinter cell 4) is coming out on the ps3 too. 361 -
Since when, Sparty?(#352)Maleficus the Great 10.25.2005 10:31 Since when have you cared about someone's personal choice about which console they want to buy? All your previous comments have been about using all CAPS to tell your "audience" about how the PS3 is going to crash and burn and how the 360 is going to beat every console in history. Have you finally grown up, or are you being a hypocrite like usual? 362 -
Proof, as if it was needed.Unregistered - Svetlana 10.25.2005 11:16 It's not surprising, really. One of the consoles has to be the weakest and from seeing the Metal Gear Solid 4 footage at TGS,(please - quit the 'smoke and mirrors' rubbish - MGS4 was real :) ) the weakest wasn't the PS3. Besides, the power of the consoles is completely irrelevent. Games sell a console. Being a female gamer I'm more fond of innovative titles; adventure games, action games, puzzle games (which is why I play on my PS2 and Nintendo DS predominantly), and out of the Xbox 360 titles currently scheduled, nothing grabs my interest. There's only so many first person shooters a person can play before they get sick and tired of them - the original Xbox had too many and too few action/adventure games. Metal Gear Solid 4 alone warrants the purchase of a Playstation 3, but the prospect of playing more Everybody's Golf, Elite, GT: Vision and Devil May Cry is just too much to miss out on. 363 -
True but...Unregistered - Ah 10.25.2005 12:22 Umm... Anyone ever heard of Silent Hill 2? That game was ... like the best thing i've played (unlinear + scary as hell)... that game was made so long ago... it seems to me that games coming out such as "Tony Hawks' American Wasteland" and well... some others are pulling out of the linear ablity and heading into more of a "real worlds" i.e. GTA's famous worlds... If games start taking on that approach... Then games will feel and be a totally differnt experince... 364 -
PAUL CERULA 10.25.2005 12:48 Maleficious your a moron, I never said the Ps3 would crash and burn and that xbox 360 would dominate the consoles. In fact the opposite you douche bag, I've said in the past that the ps3 because of so many ps2 customers would still be number 1, but the xbox 360 will be able to take a good chunk out of some of their market. That's how it's gonna be baby. Quite making brief, very weak objections to my comments and try making comments of your own 365 -
To 363Mathoss 10.25.2005 12:52 Silent Hill 1 was in my opinion the best of the serie. Much more scarrier and freakier the the 2. This franchise has been going down the HILL (the silent hill, hahaha) the 3 was boring and i haven't finished the 4th, got tired of it. It would be nice to bring it back on PS3 with amazing graphics and with the spirit of the first one. 366 -
Maleficus the Great 10.25.2005 13:33 I would be more than happy to get along with you if you continue to not use all CAPS in your comments like you used to and treat both consoles fairly and unbiased. You have to admit that in the past you would use all CAPS and talk badly about the PS3. If you have decided to view the consoles equally and to no longer use all CAPS to diss the PS3, I will start treating you like an adult. People shouldn't be "loyal"(stupidly going along with what a company says) to a company. They should see that both companies are just companies and are equal. ("brand loyalty" is like choosing one brand of cereal over another and talking about how good that cereal is and dissing the competeing brand.) Lets just put the past behind us and start acting like adults. 367 -
Maleficus the Great 10.25.2005 13:34 My above comment is to Spartan of 777. 368 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.25.2005 14:01 Shut up, you two 369 -
To # 360Unregistered - ?????? 10.25.2005 14:49 The game doesnt impress me, I didnt like the rest of the series either, too boreing for me, I'll be steering clear of it if its coming to PS3 370 -
proof is still neededUnregistered - Akakage 10.25.2005 16:19 362...Metal Gear 4 was very impressive and I don't don't the final game will look very close to the video shown at TGS but lets be real..MGS4 trailer was only a real-time render. Real-time and Gameplay are not always the same thing. They can be..but this isn't always the case. Sure it was being rendered right there on the spot but there was no AI, program...just a video. Does that mean that MGS4 won't look that good? Certainly not..but until its been proven that while someone is playing the game it retains that level of graphics. it is still just a video with no substance. Right now MGS4, DMC4 and heavenly sword are all that interest me for PS3. I'm sure as the "veil" of secracy has finally been lifted I will see more. But right now I'm more interested in the REAL performance of the PS3 not a real-time render or tech. specs on a sheet of paper. Where is the gameplay footage? Enough talk about what it can do...enough tech demos..lets see the real thing now! 371 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.25.2005 17:22 Good point 370, I am a huge fan of the PS3, but its time to cut the BS and show someone actually playing the game, instead of some real-time rendered video. Ofcourse they can amke the graphics look awesome, but nothing really was going on in MGS4, it wasnt actual gameplay, i wanna see actual gameplay. As much as sony has Hyped their console up, they have cornered themselves. Now they have no excuse if the game doesnt loom exactly like that. Lets just hope and it does, I really do. If it doesnt, then I will be majorly disapointed. 372 -
JinUnregistered - Kurama 10.25.2005 17:33 i don't think A.I and physics could be a problem when we have the monster named Cell. the graphics were generated by the GPU not CPU. i firmly believe MGS4 and Killzone demos will become real games! no doubt! 373 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.25.2005 17:38 I really hope they do, it will truly be next-gen then. From what I am seeing from xbox360 is great, but then when you look at ps3 footage, it just looks amazing and redefines next-gen from the 360. I will be let down tremendously if the 2 consoles end up looking similar. If they do end up looking similar, lets hope that the 360 will look as good as the ps3, not the other way around 374 -
SPARTAN OF 777777777777777777777Unregistered - meoow 10.25.2005 17:46 you are a 24crt nobend, official. 375 -
again againNodieza 10.25.2005 18:05 #369 I've stated once, and I'll state it again. Games that are multiplatform will not look the same in most cases unless they are too lazy to create the extra shaders and the higher rez textures for the ps3 gpu, so in all reality the ps3 version could look drasticly better. food for thought. Please stop comparing Splinter Cell to MGS already, apples to oranges, reality to alternate reality, one has humor and wit and the other is completly serious. I don't care if Snake can do splits imbetween wall or hide in the dark, people want fun not reality, I'll play hide and seek if I wanted REAL stealth... heh ^.^ It's all opinion, don't hate LEAVE VIVICIOUS ALONE ALREADY!!!!!! he's one of the few ppl here who knows what he's talking about and I don't think you guys want to lose him. PEACE!!!!! 376 -
#372 is correct...Unregistered - Furious 10.25.2005 18:27 The MGS4 visuals are suppose to be generated by the GPU (RSX), the cell will handle AI and other game assets. We should not see a reduction in quality with the other assets in place. Remember Kojima pulled a lot of power out of the old PS2 with about 400 MHz of processing power, the PS3 is a beast (RSX + 8 3.2 cores!) it should be possible. The real question is what can we expect for the next MGS installment if MGS4 is not the final game of the series... Once the developers get their heads around developing in mulitcore enviornments we should see some amazing things. Some developers are even using the cell for graphics think about it the GPU and one core for graphics and you still have 6 other cores for AI, animation, special effects, etc. I'm sure it's not quite that simple, but you see my point, exciting times! Peace 377 -
#370 and other MGS4 related comments...Unregistered - Truth 10.26.2005 01:32 Hideo Kojima already stated that he used an early dev kit to produce MGS4. That means it was running on 256MB of Rambus XDR RAM ( final dev will have 256 more DDR3 RAM ) a underclocked 2.4 GHz Cell Processor ( final dev will run at 3.2 GHz ) and rumored to be using a Nvidia 7800 GTX as the Nvidia RXS isn't fully ready for mass production yet, to my knowledge. So, to say the visuals of MGS4 "MIGHT" be achievable is ludacrious as it will most certainly meet and vastly exceed what was show. Obviously this is because the PS3 used to power the demo was roughly half of what the final dev kit ( shipping in December ) specs are. 378 -
Bah...Unregistered - Truth 10.26.2005 01:34 I meant the Nvidia RSX not, 'RXS' =P 379 -
7800 GTX and RSXUnregistered - Akakage 10.26.2005 15:56 7800 GTX and the RSX are essentially the same card. Nvidia has stated this before. The RSX is just a lil faster than the 7800gtx. PS3's card's performance will be on par with that of the 7800. Nvidia's 7800 just came out earlier this year, and is still retailing for about 499.99 depending on where you go. This is their top of the line card. The RSX will be on par with it..maybe a little faster as Nvidia has stated in recent interviews. So the fact that MGS was on 7800 and not a RSX means nothing. The 7800 is a magnificent card so that's not a bad thing. So don't expect a leap in graphics between now and release for MGS4. Even with the cell being a monster processor in that video all system resources were being used for the movie and the movie only. A bigger and better MGS demands a bigger and better processor. So with all the thing Kojima is planning on putting in MGS4 even with the Cell processor it will demand alot of processing power. AI, Physics, environmental AI, the actual game program, etc..All this will take up some of the resources used in this video. That's why again I say its time for them to "put up or shut up" so to speak. Don't tell us what gameplay may or may not look like...show us actual gameplay. 380 -
To # 370Unregistered - Dec1032 10.26.2005 16:45 Ingame footage is NOT needed H.Kojima uses the same footage for both in-game and for cutscene, so your wrong, PS3 can do this and I know it can. I'm currently working for Rockstar north, whether you belive that or not is up to you, but look at my last posts, I said in a way what carmack said (before he said it), but he forgets, engined run realy well on PS3 and like I said optiimiztation, is the last thing for a game, getting everything running ar optimum perforamance, on a new type of sythesizer software. I've been makeing games now for a little over 12yrs for Rockstar, so I should know what I'm talking about,. Although carmack is a very good developer, he is sticking to an aecitecture that is similar to PC, because that is where he reigns one of the supreme programers, PS3 is different, with a lot more learning curves, which can be overcome with knowledge and a decent base game engine, which we at rockstar are building from the ground up. 381 -
All you XfreaksUnregistered - dougy 10.26.2005 18:16 As you can see here, this shows the superiority of RSX over X360 and GF 7800GTX labeled as G70 which the tech is based on. http://www.hardspell.com/newsimage/2005-6-21-16-10-14-654986702.gif So stop all these bullshlt lies 382 -
yeaUnregistered - YO 10.26.2005 18:19 Xbox 360 is better. way better. sony is garbage. pure garbage!! 383 -
To all you "PS3 Pussies"Unregistered - Mmhm 10.26.2005 18:23 I agree with Yo. Sony doesnt have a chance. PS3 is trash. YOu can tell. I mean look at the controller. what the hell is that?? a Boomerang? doesnt look comfortable. Im sorry sony is way out of its league. They my as well start working on the next-gen after the 360 and PS3. BIOTCH!!! 384 -
Unregistered - dougy 10.26.2005 18:28 Microsoft are pure sh*t lies, otherwisw why do all or most next gen X360 games look like this gen? Bcos its an Xbox 1.5 thats why. 385 -
Unregistered - Incomplete Alien 10.26.2005 18:43 I read on a site, which is unbiased, that X360 DVD without a HDD wont be able to do High definition, as most of the files need to be unpacked to HDD to allow High def visuals, so either way you look at it, your gonna need a HDTV and HD to experience Hi def games, PS3 only needs HDTV to accomplish this 386 -
Suck a Dic k DougyUnregistered - jdsjf 10.26.2005 18:43 ur just mad cuz u know 360 is better than PS3. PS3 is gonna be shiot. 387 -
Unregistered - dougy 10.26.2005 18:51 I read on a site, which is unbiased, that X360 DVD without a HDD wont be able to do High definition, as most of the files need to be unpacked to HDD to allow High def visuals, so either way you look at it, your gonna need a HDTV and HD to experience Hi def games, PS3 only needs HDTV to accomplish this 388 -
to # 386Unregistered - Dougy 10.26.2005 18:54 Cabt you read a chart? oh I forot your a dumb Xbox retard, PS3 wins in all catagories learn and realise PS3 is more powerfull, dumb ass 389 -
uh huhUnregistered - to # 388 10.26.2005 19:05 Yea ummm....before u start postin comments u better check ur spelling. Its Realize u fuk not realise. ur sucha dumbshi t. and soo are all the other ps3 fanboys. yea Ps3 is more powerful but 360 has better development tools. hello thats what this article is about. so im still standing here sayin suck a dic-k u fu kin little fag 390 -
to 389Unregistered - dougy 10.26.2005 20:01 I may make some typos, but what is this "sucha" that isn't a word it should be spelt "such a" dumb ass "ur" isn't spelt right either, its spelt "your" plus you have no capital letter for "hello" where you put a full stop before it, there are many more mistakes, but I cant be arsed explaining them all to a retard zombie that doesn't listen. 391 -
rsx vs xenosUnregistered - Akakage 10.26.2005 20:10 Hmm..The RSX is the 7800gtx with slightly faster pipelines. By the time the PS3 comes out its graphics card will already be obsolete. But that won't hinder ps3's performance any. As the Cell is suppose to free up the gpu allowing for better performance. The Xenos(x360's gpu) is a new "revolutionart" type of GPU. Much like the Cell will outperform the 360's cpu, the xenos will outperform the rsx. The difference..is the embedded ram on the card as well as the Unified shaders. Although the RSX is 550mhz and the Xenos is 500mhz..much like many an ATI card before it..it will outperform Nvidia's card while being as "fast". The ATI card on the gamecube is a very capable card...allowing gamecube games too look everybit as good as Xbox games with only a fraction of the power. Xbox's card was 250 mhz while the gamecube's card was only 152mhz I believe. Gamecube's main cpu (Gekko IBM) was 485mhz while the xbox's gpu Intel Pentium 3 (custom) was 733mhz. Yet there was not too many things the xbox could do that gamecube couldn't do..at least not early on. Doom and Halo 2 soon Exploited the sizable difference between cube and xbox. Ps3 and X360 both have 3.2 mhz main cpu's, both have 512mb or ram, both over 500mhz with their gpu..RSX(550mhz) and XENOS(500mhz). That being said...and looking at the specs..is it really so hard to believe that both systems will be very similiar in graphics and speed? While ps3's cpu has the edge, 360's gpu has the edge. Numerous engineers, developers have stated this same thing. The difference in graphics between x360 and ps3 will not be as noticeable as the one between xbox and cube as these systems are so close in hardware specs that it won't really be noticeable nor will it matter. That is the truth, it will come down to the games!!! 392 -
to # 391 Unregistered - Dev1032 10.26.2005 22:11 But your forgetting like many people do, Xell can do graphics too, which give it a larger edge over X360 393 -
Unregistered - Dev1032 10.26.2005 22:12 Cell can do graphics too 394 -
Amen 391Unregistered - BlueMt. 10.27.2005 01:27 Its all about the games fanboys , its all about the games. Thats why you need to have both!! 395 -
#391Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 02:34 I only have one problem with your comment about the PS3 and XBOX 360 being similiar in graphics performace. MGS4 was running off an alpha dev kit... Gears of War is running off the final system. MGS4, IMO, looks superior to what I've seen thus far in Gears of War. And MGS4 was only running on roughly half of what the PS3 is capable of. If the Cell can utilize the GPU like Sony, IBM and Toshiba have been saying then no, the XBOX 360 will not be able to match the graphics of the PS3. We all know that GPU's tend to run 10x the performance of modern day CPU's. So, now, factor in the Cell processor and it's capabilities of pulling out more performance out of a GPU then ever achieved before by modern processors. With that in mind I think the PS3 will be superior in the graphics department. The game worlds themselves ( interactivity, AI, etc... ) well, that's a no-brainer. PS3. Perhaps they will be similiar in the short term, but down the road I think the PS3 will have a distinct advantage in graphics. I'm basing all this on what I've heard, read and seen so far. 396 -
#391Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 02:34 I only have one problem with your comment about the PS3 and XBOX 360 being similiar in graphics performace. MGS4 was running off an alpha dev kit... Gears of War is running off the final system. MGS4, IMO, looks superior to what I've seen thus far in Gears of War. And MGS4 was only running on roughly half of what the PS3 is capable of. If the Cell can utilize the GPU like Sony, IBM and Toshiba have been saying then no, the XBOX 360 will not be able to match the graphics of the PS3. We all know that GPU's tend to run 10x the performance of modern day CPU's. So, now, factor in the Cell processor and it's capabilities of pulling out more performance out of a GPU then ever achieved before by modern processors. With that in mind I think the PS3 will be superior in the graphics department. The game worlds themselves ( interactivity, AI, etc... ) well, that's a no-brainer. PS3. Perhaps they will be similiar in the short term, but down the road I think the PS3 will have a distinct advantage in graphics. I'm basing all this on what I've heard, read and seen so far. 397 -
Whoops...Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 03:44 Sorry about the double post... heh 398 -
RSX vs. Xenos revisitedUnregistered - Akakage 10.27.2005 12:39 I am fully aware that the Cell can do graphics too...as I stated in my article if you read it again..I said that even though the RSX is the same as the 7800gtx the Cell will do alot of the pre-rendering for it allow the RSX to perform better. If the cell's graphics capabilities were so amazing why did sony opt to use Nvidia's card in the first place? The cell's computational abilities are amazing and it will allow the RSX to perform better but how much better? Sure the MGS4 video was running on an "alpha" kit(although the kit does have the full 3.2ghz cell in it and a 7800gtx which is basically ps3 final specs). But what you fail to realize is that the RSX and the 7800gtx are the same gpu. Nvidia has said first the RSX is weaker than 7800gtx(probably the truth) then as word got around they changed it and said it was equal, then re-canted again stating it will be a little faster. The RSX is the same gpu, by the time ps3 is released it will be obsolete. The cell however will be most powerful cpu on the market. And lets not forget that this mgs4 trailer was still only a video(a real-time video, but just a video), not the actual game. With the actual game program running in the background it will be interesting to see if it will maintaing it graphical quality(this is Hideo Kojima so it should). Its the inverse for x360 while X360's CPU is the same as most current high-end pc's it will be obsolete very soon(if not already). But there won't be a graphics card like the xenos until fall 2006 on the market for pc users to buy. By the way at E3 gears of war graphically was on par with mgs4 although it had a framerate issue and it was running on a single 3.2 ghz cpu and a current-gen gpu from ATI(x360 has 3 3.2ghz powerpc cpu's and a next-gen ati gpu). Now lets take Carmack's words into account. Hideo Kojima has even stated the same concerns for ps3 development. Hideo Kojima has stated that he is afraid that most developers won't be able to get all the performance out of the ps3, because of cost and difficulty. As Carmack as stated X360 has much better development tools. I'll use cars as an example yet again. You have a tricked out RX8 and I have a Supra. Your Car's speedometer says 160 while mine says 150. You are only getting 85% performance from your car while I have tweaked and tuned my car so that I am getting 90% performance from my car. So your car at 85% output would do about 136mph . My car at 90% output is doing 135mph. Suddenly the difference between our 2 vehicles isn't that great. Sure you are still faster than me by 1mph but my car is outperforming yours and you could indeed lose the race if I get a better start that you. What I'm saying is that PS3 and X360 will be like the cars I just described. It will be much easier for developers to get closer to 100% out of that hardware, while the cost and difficult development environment will mean that ps3's full potential will never be realized. It will more than likely max out at around 85%(as history has proven with consoles of the past). The difference between these systems will subtle, ps3 might have a few more characters on screen, or ps3 might have slightly (albeit unnoticeable to the untrained eye) better lighting effects or particle effects. RAW horsepower...ps3 has it by the boatload, but what good is all that power if you can not harness it and manipulate it to do your will? That is what Carmack is saying, that is what I have been saying. It will not be about the hardware as both consoles will be fantastic and do amazing things. It will be about the GAMES and Services that my friends is the truth. Games and Services will win this console war!!! 399 -
rsx vs xenos revisited pt. 2Unregistered - Akakage 10.27.2005 12:47 After all, isn't games what won this console war for ps2? It certainly wasn't the hardware as ps2 is inferior in graphics, cpu and quality to the xbox and gamecube( I had to buy 2 ps2's cause they tend to stop working as most ps2 owners can attest to, blu-discs stop reading...then dvd's anyone?) however sony won because of their library of games. Think about it..it ALWAYS comes down to the games. Hardware is nothing without the games to play on it. 400 -
...Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 19:03 1.) Give me the link that says the 7800 GTX is the exact same as the RSX. 2.) Give me the link that says the 7800 GTX is more powerful than the RSX ( oh wait, you can't as that was a misquoted Nvidia article ). 3.) The ATI chip in the XBOX 360 is an ATI R500. By the time it is released the R520 will have been released. 4.) Every SPE on the Cell processor is capable of running at 3.2GHz, does that mean it will? No. The same case for the XBOX 360 processor. No internal cooling device ( aside from liquid cooling ) on the face of the Earth can cool a processor running at 9.6GHz so get off the "only using a single 3.2GHz processor" crap. 5.) The Cell processor in the alpha dev kits is running at 2.4GHz, NOT 3.2GHz as the final ones released this December will be. We can go on and on about this for ages. The simple fact is you have you opinions and I have mine. We both think we're right so lets wait untill both consoles are released and go on then, eh? 401 -
to #394Unregistered - someone 10.27.2005 20:45 Gears of War was running on only one core. 402 -
Unregistered - someone 10.27.2005 20:46 i meant to #395. Sorry #394 403 -
#401Unregistered - Truth 10.27.2005 22:25 And? That's like saying MGS4 was only running on the Cell processor and no SPE's. Your point? 404 -
final catastrophUnregistered - ray 10.28.2005 06:32 hey from #1 to #403 fuk all of u... 405 -
For FuriousDante 10.28.2005 06:45 Here are some PS1 CGI movies.. its for chrono cross http://movies.rpgamer.com/chrono/ccross/cc_1.mov http://movies.rpgamer.com/chrono/ccross/cc_5.mov http://movies.rpgamer.com/chrono/ccross/cc_8.mov http://movies.rpgamer.com/chrono/ccross/cc_9.mov And some FF8 CGI movies too: http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5XbrAGJDLgQA2WxbDqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTA2bTQ0OXZjBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=11vgsjdp9/EXP=1130582635/**http%3a//www.fantasy-source.com/ffviii/videos and have fun playing the great SOC... 406 -
More Info on PS3Unregistered - DeepFreezed 10.28.2005 09:29 all the wrangling on comments above shows me we need more info on PS3 before we buy it. We need all the info like unit prices, game price ect.... Me personally will looks towards the 360 if I cannot attain these fact when 360 is released. I cannot wait another 6 months for a PS3 pipe dream!!! Sony is acting like big snobs by not releasing vital info for people to make a decisions on what console to buy... 407 -
truthUnregistered - Akakage 10.28.2005 12:36 I believe this is the interview with the ATI engineer talking about the Xenos chip http://www.firingsquad.com/features/xbox_360_interview/ As far as the Nvidia Article you yourself have read the article and if you read my post again..I said Nvidia first stated it was weaker then later that day and the following day they stated that it was comparable to the 7800gtx but a lil faster. In that same article. Read that article again. "We were misquoted" is merely damage control because of the backlash of the first article every company does it when they goof up. Was the first article true or not? Who knows..who cares at this point. The RSX will be obsolete by the time it releases. ATI at E3 in their both will the guy was showing us the "real-time" tech demo "Assassin", which looked every bit as good as MGS4 also stated and I quote him..There won't be a card comparable to this one on the market until late 2006 possibly 2007. That's when ATI's next-gen card comes out. But as I have stated before numerous times it will come down to the GAMES. All the technical specs, tech demos...etc don't mean a thing, what system has the games you want to buy, that's what its all about. Graphically speaking both systems will be pretty much the same..even the specs suggest that. It will be about who has what games..which will come down to cost and difficulty of development. In response to 403 the cell processor is made up of the 7 spe cores. The G.O.W. tech demo was running on a dev kit with only 1 3.2 ghz cores in it while the 360 has 3 of those cores. Its only a 3rd of the power. 408 -
ummmUnregistered - niggaboy 10.28.2005 21:30 you guys are nigers jews and homosexuals and CHINKS of all kinds FUK YEAH oh and 360 is better........................nigga! 409 -
Hi guysUnregistered - Donald sing takusha 10.28.2005 21:40 well im here to say to all of you guys out there supporting ps3! 410 -
WHAT THE FUK!Unregistered - niggaboy 10.28.2005 21:43 you g@y ass bitoch toky hoki what the fuk is wrong with you man coming here with your g@y ass comments...........damn..........man i cant even cuse in this sh!ty thing 411 -
umm okayUnregistered - Donald sing takusha 10.28.2005 21:44 umm well i was just wanting to say hi 412 -
you know whatUnregistered - niggaboy 10.28.2005 21:46 hows about a cup of shut the fuk up! 413 -
........Unregistered - niggaboy 10.28.2005 21:46 YOU FAG ass bitoch 414 -
im sorryUnregistered - Donald sing takusha 10.28.2005 21:49 okay im sorry 415 -
heyUnregistered - whitepower 10.28.2005 21:50 i think both of you dik heads need to shut the fuk up and i agree 360 is better 416 -
AkakageTruth 10.28.2005 23:51 The XBOX 360 is as 1/3rd it's power? Sorry, but no. It seems like you're assuming that with the XBOX 360 running on all it's threads that the games will be 2x as good as they are now. You can only do so much with the other two cores. Like, for instance, put A.I soley on one and so on and so forth. The games won't look any better, perhaps play a tad bit better with different cores dealing with different instructions... but that's really it. The Cell on the other hand has 7 SPE's which can all be programmed to do EXACTLY what the other TWO XBOX 360's cores can do. If I'm not mistaken, which I don't believe that I am, all the SPE's run at 3.2Ghz. Not to mention that the Cell is it's own GPU and sound processor in a way. Taking the load off of the RSX and actually contributing as shown by the tech demos. And the part about the R500 being the most advanced GPU in ATI's arsenal untill 2006-07. Wow. Based on what? It has unified shaders? So, just because it has unified shaders makes it the most advanced GPU on the market for the next year or two. Give me a break. Pretty much all the developers have stated that yed, unified can be good in some instances, but it's not the end all. ATI is being very unrealistic... Oh, your comment about it being about the games. Well, of course. However the technology feeding the games is a massive part of the equation. If you doubt that you are a certified moron. No one wants to play Halo 2 or MGS3 with just better graphics. They want more immersive, interative worlds with advanced A.I coupled with the stunning graphics. And amazingly this can only be achieved with what? Better technology... 417 -
I just preorder my xbox360Unregistered - EX-PS3 FAN BOY 10.29.2005 09:10 with all this news i read i decided that ps3 is not the most wise choise for me anymore. I just preordered xbox360 . More developers , more and better games , more easy to programed , full live support , all that things are important for me so NO MORE PS. Atleast for this gen of consoles. 418 -
truthUnregistered - akakage 10.31.2005 12:48 Truth I believe you misread my post. Xbox360 at E3 was only running at 1/3 of the power, and without the actual gpu. At E3 the dev kits available did not have all 3 powerpc cores running. It was running on a single core. The screens and videos that are surfacing now are from final dev kits. Never once in my post did I say current pics of 360 games are only at 1/3 of the power, I believe I brought up E3 because of the "assassin" tech demo. I know about the cell and its 7spe cores that fine well and good, I have never once downplayed nor have I downgraded its purposed power. As I have been saying in all my posts power means nothing if you can not use it all. The cell is suppose to have double the floating point performance of 360, it can do 51-billion-dot-product-operations per second..etc. I know all about it. Im interested in both consoles. I am just saying that "IF" developers can not get all that power and performance out of the ps3 what good is it? Dude its gonna be about the games that is what is gonna win this generation, hardware isn't as important as you think, especially this time around. Remember the Sega Saturn? A good system with more raw processing power than the psx but it was too hard to develop for so most developers could not get the system to run at its full potential and worse developer stop or refused to make games for it. The saturn hardware was much better that the psx hardware (not to mention more reliable), yet that didn't stop it from being dominated by the psx. Xbox 2-3 times the processing power of the ps2 (yet some people will still argue ps2 has better graphics) "Easy" to program for (easier than ps2) but yet and still ps3 dominated it as well. Why? The difference in raw power between the xbox and ps2 is much greater then the difference between x360 and ps3 (the xbox's gpu was faster than ps2's main cpu or at least equivelant). It was because ps2 had a better selection of games. I won't say better games because better games is just a matter of opinion and preference. But a better selection of games is not an opinion its a fact. PS2 has almost 700-1000 plus titles..while xbox is weighing in at about 400 perhaps? The current generation is proof that just because your hardware is more powerful doesn't mean you will be number one. Not to say hardware isn't important, but its a distant second to the software that it runs, epecially games. If xbox had all the same 3rd party games(specifically from japanese developers konami, capcom, namco, square enix..etc) as ps2 and the only thing exclusive to sony would be its first party games, 989 games, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet, Gran Turismo, Killzone and God of War..etc and Msoft had all its exclusive games like Halo, Forza Motorsports, Jade Empire (ms game studios co-produced), Conker, project gotham...Do you still believe sony would be the dominate force in the market they are today?? They would have all the same games and they look and run better on xbox..do you think that sony would still have 70%(excuse me about 60% now as msoft is slowing gaining ground) of the market today? NO they wouldn't. The fight between sony and msoft would be much closer. If Msoft can capitalize on its cheaper and "easier" development..(cheaper being the most important) than they can easily steal away alot of sony's exclusives making them multi-platform instead. If sony can cut dev costs and get better dev tools then Msoft will be stuck fighting for second place again with Nintendo. Higher dev. difficulty and cost will result in numerous sequels and no one will to try something new. Don't believe that...look at Hollywood right now..sequels and already established franchises (comic book films) rule. There are few risk takers anymore. Games will be the sameway especially if dev. difficulty and COSTS go up. Hardware isn't nearly as important as the software running on it. 419 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 18:56 I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible. 420 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 18:56 I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible. 421 -
PAUL CERULA 10.31.2005 21:43 419 and 420 isn't the real spartan, just a forum pu$y with a similar name to mine 422 -
more developers believe both 360 and ps3 will be similiarUnregistered - Akakage 11.01.2005 21:53 over at ign's ps3 site there is a video from ign's live event and it was pretty interesting...its about the 360 and ps3..its good stuff. 423 -
Setting shiz straightNodieza 11.04.2005 06:52 Where the f did Ken say anything about Toystory? Your so f'ing dumb you realize it was xbox who said that about how they can produce toy story 2 graphics in game. Who's the bull shizzer now buddy? I'll even post the article. Now what dumb fu'k get stuff straight, god dang you even got the console wrong... oh and how did sony lie, I see xbox!!!!! Billy is such a liar... "http://news.com.com/2100-1040-250632.html?legacy=cnet" One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'" BS BS BS BS.... maybe that'll set some of you straight 424 -
lolz..Toy Story was all Sony hype dudeUnregistered - Akakage 11.05.2005 16:58 That is a direct slam at Sony. Look for articles from E3 and TGS from 1999/2000 before the PS2 released. You will find that Sony did claim that ps2 could deliver Toy Story graphics in game. They also claimed that FF: Spirits Within was rendered on ps2 which was also total BS. Look it up for yourself or ask moderators of some of these forums. Or better yet ask the guys over at IGN's ps2 section. Unfortunately they will tell you its true. It was all part of the Sony Hype Machine. As the old saying goes.."Power perceived is Power acheived". Meaning if I can make you believe my product is the best thing since toilet paper, then it is(at least in your mind). Sony had people so convinced that PS2 was so much more powerful than computers and dreamcast that people jumped on their bandwagon like the cure for cancer was in the ps2. It was ingenious marketing on their part, controversy sells. We all remember the story of "ps2's being shipped to Iraq to make missle guidance systems". That was a load of dookey!! But the controversy made ps2 overshadow the Dcast and crush it. I don't know how many times someone would come into my store looking for a ps2 (the year it released) telling me that ps2's were being banned because they are been used in Iraq to make missles. Controversy sells, plain and simple. It's already started for PS3, remember the killzone pre-rendered video that was passed as in-game footage. That one thing almost single-handedly destroyed Msoft unveiling at E3. The whole first day of the show all I heard about was Killzone. Then when I saw it I was like please..this is pre-rendered. The "sheep" quickly swallowed it up and started singing PS3's praises. Then it came out that it wasn't in-game footage but just an artistic representation of the game Guerrilla is trying to make. I have no doubt it will look great, but that video at E3 was strategically placed to steal Msofts thunder and they succeeded. Great marketing but a disservice to gamers looking for actual PS3 games. The truth is PS3 wasn't even at E3, just like it wasn't even at TGS. I want to see some actual gameplay. Give us a real reason to be excited not just another video. Gameplay footage is something to get excited over because that is what you are paying $49.99($59.99 now) for. If I wanted a movie I would buy a DVD. SO I say again..SONY..SHOW SOME DARN ACTUAL GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE. I cannot be moved by a prerendered CG movie, especially when you want me to drop hundreds of dollars on a console that has yet to even be seen up and running. HOOK US UP WITH SOME GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE!! 425 -
Same game engine on both platformsOtar 11.06.2005 08:53 From what I can gather a lot of game developers are using the same game engine on both platforms. As far as the actual graphics you see on screen, on both consoles I believe they will be so similar that most gamers will not be able to tell the difference. 20 % more power is nothing as well as 20% harder to program for. The xbox was 3 to 5 times more powerful then a PS2, yet I still saw a few games on the PS2 that would have looked at home on an xbox. And John Carmack didn’t state it would be 20% better graphics on the PS3, and maybe that’s what most people might be relating to. Marginally more powerful, in terms of raw flops and graphic operations, what that translates to on the playing screen is question I would like answered by a developer or some one who knows. What we need to see is the same game on both consoles and then compare, until that happens we will be in this kind of talk forever. I just want great games on what ever console, I’m getting a 360 at launch and if the PS3 has good exclusive games, then I will buy one next Christmas and that goes for the revolution. 426 -
Who pays whoUnregistered - trotski 11.07.2005 19:19 All i can say is whos paying carmack.... To the gamer the power is far more important its upto the programmers to just get the job done as far as iam concerned, Trotski (gamer) 427 -
PS3 Will Whoop xbox360 Get Over itUnregistered - trotski. 11.07.2005 19:35 I Carnt beleive xbox fans trying to twist carmacks words to thier own satisfaction. I Was into ps2 untill i got xbox and now i know xbox is better, Due to having both. I Will do the same this time too and own both ps3 and 360, But with what i have seen and heard, Iam no expert but i think its obvious the ps3 will be the best of the two. And the xbox fans need to get over it. i know a lad who works in the fish shop near me, he hasnt even seen any info on either machine and he is telling me xbox 360 will be better, Come on guys just look at the evidence look into the cell and realise sony wasnt happy with what was out their so they made a kick arse chip. This time playstation wont be second best So get over it, You poor poor xbox fans, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 428 -
what are you talking about??Unregistered - Akakage 11.07.2005 23:46 PS2 second?? PS2 was the best selling console of all time. 30 million or so PS2's sold compared to 10 or so million xbox's sold. Why was ps2 such a juggernaut in sales? Because of the games. Xbox was a much better system hardware-wise but that didn't stop Sony from dominating the market. I have said it millions of times and I will say it again..xenos, rsx, cell, powerpc it really doesn't matter. Both consoles will have amazing graphics. Graphics will not be an issue for either console, both are at least 3-5 times more powerful then current gen consoles. Graphics are gonna be great (depending on the developer). Games and gameplay are what is going to win this console war. Beautiful graphics and terrible gameplay = a bad game. Whoever has the best Quality and Quantity of games will come out on top. Sony had at least 2 times as many games as msoft this generation. Giving them the edge even though xbox was a much better console. GAMES will be the deciding factor this time as well. Mark my words 429 -
Okay okUnregistered - trotski 11.08.2005 17:53 Maybe i put it wrong.. I agree with you with the line up of games the ps2 has. As i switched to an xbox and found theres not as much choice in games on the xbox. And there is much more games out for the ps2. I Was'nt talking about the games, even thou the games are a big factor. i was talking about power and what i was trying to say was ps3 will not be second place in the power department (not games) i do beleive the ps3 will be more powerfull than xbox360. But still i will be getting them both. But iam more excited of the ps3 as the games they have shown for the ps3 are amazing and they look so beutifully detailed, i mean just look at the new trailer for MGS4. apart from gears of war there arnt that many games on 360 that blow you away, maybe in the future yes but ive not seen anything that makes me want to do hand stands, Well that will do. ps3 will have more POWER than xbox360 as for the games we will see. But i bet ps3 has a much better more next gen like game line up from the begining of the ps3 launch. CARNT WAIT 430 -
PS3Unregistered - Akakage 11.08.2005 18:34 PS3 will have more power than the 360. However the difference between them won't be as noticeable as the difference between the current xbox and ps2. On almost all aspects of the hardware xbox is at least double that of ps2. But if you look at the PS3 and X360 you cannot say the same thing. Ps3's main advantage will be the raw processing power of the cell. How well the cell performs in a gaming environment is still yet to be determined. The MGS4 video was not actual gameplay. It was a real-time render but it wasn't gameplay. Xbox360 had a real-time video at E3 called assassing that look everybit as good as the MGS4 trailer. It wasn't gameplay either but it looked great. Gears of War looks everybit as good as MGS4 and it was actual gameplay, because the guy was playing it as he showed it off. Do I doubt that MGS4 will look anything like that trailer? No, I believe Kojima has the talent to make MGS4 look everybit as good as that real-time video, but until I see actual gameplay from the PS3 I cannot get excited. Remember MGS4 was NOT the actual game, it was only a real-time render. Meaning the system was producing the video as you were watching it. Real-time and Gameplay are completely different. 431 -
Unregistered - bs3 11.09.2005 13:52 ps3 is wiggy wiggy wack! lol MS is working on releasing their highly anticipated xbox 360 for a world wide launch. The last thing they have time for is making up stories about ps3, Ken does enough of that. Be a man, and suck it up. The ps3 is not all that. This is not the console to end all consoles like you think. This is only a competitor. Ken has slick talk, and great marketing skills that's it. Get over it. 432 -
PS3 THE REAL NEXT GEN CONSOLEUnregistered - trotski. 11.10.2005 06:09 I know iam being a little nasty. But the only reason i even wrote anything on here is cause iam sick of xbox fans telling us the ps3 is crap. Well big news flash for all you xbox fans. You will soon become ps3 fans and you proberly wont even admit you were ever an xbox fan in time you will see..... As for MGS4 Iknow it wasnt realtime but iam sure like yourself that they will get it looking that good,AND KILLZONE. iam not going to go throu everything ive seen on ps3 but 1 that we all should know was in realtime even thou it was a dev kit and only took 2 months to get it ready was unreal tournament, so imagine how good it will look when they have finished, and 1 of the guys who developed it (tim) Said the development tools were very nice devolopment tools to work with, which is after all what this page is all about, I Carnt be botherd to look up the guys full name but check out the sony press conference if you like . Iam not really botherd as i will get both machines and will enjoy both as they both will kick ass. I Just wish they had brought something great out to start with,Most of the release games for 360 are out on old machines too just with better graphics quake 4, is a port and would look better on a top end pc, perfect dark zero was first developed to come out for nintendo i beleive. wheres the next gen games. guess we will have to wait and see. 433 -
oops my mistakeUnregistered - trotski 11.10.2005 09:54 perfect dark zero was being made for the original xbox, i beleive it was kameo that was due to be made for nintendo. But i guess in the time they have had we carnt expect too much. Condemmend looks nice and it has been made originaly for 360, but theres not that many out there yet! AND They say it will be out on release day....We will see. King kong looks great BUT how much better will it be from the original machines meaning ps2 xbox. is all we can expect from 360 nicer looking graphics and no change in gameplay...? we will see soon This is what i beleive will set apart the 360 and ps3. But it too early to tell. 434 -
The MarketUnregistered - Ender 11.19.2005 18:29 don't forget that sony has many re-buy customers as they have dominated the videogame industy. Many owners of ps2's will want the ps3. Not to mention that sony is very popular in Japan. Xbox seems much more like it is aimed for North America. The Ps3 will be battleing the xbox in north america but has already won everywhere else. Because of this i think developers will but in the extra 20% and make games that we would expect to play on anything sony. 435 -
Bill Gates is rich but not that rich!Unregistered - TGO 02.26.2006 04:34 while I was reading all the past posts I notice a comment "what if MS buy out Sony" which made me giggle. Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world but Sony rakes in more money then anyother corp. in the world! (they own everything!) if anybody could buy anyone out it would be Sony buyin MS which could happen if MS keep losin profits on their consoles its not cheap being in the console market ya know Add Comment |
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