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19 Oct 2005 12:17 | Dusty | Playstation 3 | Xbox 360 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
John Carmack, id Software's coding genius has in a recent interview shown on G4tv made some statements regarding the PS3 Vs Xbox 360 issue. Though this is only the opinion of a high profile programmer, his opinion should be a lot more valid than the millions of forum posts on the subject. Basically he says that the PS3 is more powerful, but the 360 has better development tools and is his preferred console to develop for. "I make little nitpicky decisions about say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has over the asymmetric Cell approach, but you can do great games on either one of them, and I make fundamental decisions based on development tools and depth of documentation, which Microsoft has been superior on," he added. When speaking about the power of the hardware Carmack said that "the hardware is comparable" but went on to say that "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful, in terms of raw flops and graphic operations.” But according to Carmack having the better development tools is more important. "When you look at these development cycles that stretch over years and years, being 20% easier to develop on is much more important than being 20% more powerful", Carmack said. However, if we had asked Kojima if the PS3 development tools are inferior to those available for the 360, we would probably get a different answer. Add Comment  1 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.19.2005 12:21 Carmack is partially right. The theoretical output of the PS3 is greater. However, Hardocp.com, Tomshardware, Arstechnica, Anandtech (the list continues) have all stated that the GPU in the 360 is more powerful than the GPU in the PS3. Remember people, Carmack is in the Nvidia camp and will promote them whenever possible, he is not a neutral player. Nvidia endorsed Doom 3, ATi endorsed Half-Life 2. Any questions? 2 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:21 It's only logical he'll say this after choosing the X360 as his main developing platform, but his opinion should def. be respected. I doubt there is a more talented programmer on the face of this earth in any case. :P 3 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.19.2005 12:23 Also don't forget that he stated that the easier to program for is better than the slightly more powerful hardware. That was his way of stating the Xbox 360 is more powerful in the end, WITHOUT upsetting his Nvidia endorsement partners. Either way you want to look at it, he said in the end that the 360 will be better. 4 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:31 You're really overdoing it, he wouldn't be so biased as to support NVIDIA without cause, at the time of Doom 3 nvidia seemed to be making the best progress, at least in the direction that he wanted. At the moment, probably because of ATI's Unified Shader Architecture, he seems to prefer the direction ATI has taken, so biased he is not. He just wants what is best for HIM. 5 -
ViviciousMaleficus the Great 10.19.2005 12:36 In your #2 comment, you said that you doubt if there is a better programmer than John Carmack. Forgive me if I sound like a total noob, but could you tell me what games he programmed? 6 -
Unregistered - Like it or not... 10.19.2005 12:39 What is best for HIM is OpenGl since all his games are made in OpenGl. Not to mention the history of support from Nvidia and the Partnership that Nvidia and ID software have. Of course it doesn't matter, because in a round about way, he said that the 360 will pull off better stuff simply due to ease of programming. 7 -
Unregistered - Games 10.19.2005 12:39 He makes engines, not games. 8 -
Unregistered - boo 10.19.2005 12:42 yes and games are built from the engines up. so you need an engine first. 9 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:50 Exactly, what #6 says is the reason he first (and most possibily still will, at least on PC) supported Nvidia, he has said in the past he prefers OpenGL, and every game of his has been built using OpenGL. He looks at what is best for himself at the moment, not just because it's from Nvidia or ATI. Carmack was the lead programmer (and with lead in this case, I mean he's one of the few at ID that knows what he's talking about. I've seen interviews with other employees that just lose him eventually :P) for all the Quake Engines, older games like Wolf3D, Doom (Doom 3 Engine), etc. 10 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 12:53 "he's one of the few at ID that knows what he's talking about" That didn't come out right, sounds like I'm putting down the rest of the team over at ID, what I meant with it is that when Carmack really get's into things, it's hard to follow, even for the guys over at ID ;-) 11 -
Havoc 10.19.2005 13:24 It's not a surprise that the xbox 360 would be on the easier side for developing. As long as the ps3 is easier to develope for than the ps2 there should be no big problem. 12 -
WrongUnregistered - Project86 10.19.2005 13:32 um...i think u guys are taking his words a little biased. I can tell majority of u are xbox fans over ps, but what he said is the ps3 is more powerful, but the xbox is easier to develop for. He wasn't doing a round about way of saying the xbox is more powerful he was just saying it's less powerful, but it has a better chance of coming out on top b/c it is easier to develop for. 13 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 13:41 And it seems odd he could be so conclusive about it, seeing as PS3's developing tools prob. aren't even definite yet. 14 -
akumas rebirthUnregistered - akumas rebirth 10.19.2005 13:46 well what makes this guy stand out from the rest of the dev, is just one guy out of how many dev that say ps3 is more powerful. you never know his me be with nvidia. 15 -
to jason henryHavoc 10.19.2005 13:48 What are you talking about read what he says carefully. He doesn't say the 360 will pull off better stuff because it is easier to develope for. It is not difficult to understand what he is saying, he's saying is that if you want to pull off a game with good graphics on both consoles it would be easier on the 360 but if you want better graphics you will have to work harder to do it on the ps3 but it won't be like hell developing on the ps3 like it was for the ps2. It makes since why sony wants developers to put effort into their games so you can distinguish the power between the ps3 from the 360. 16 -
Gill 10.19.2005 14:11 First off, I am an avid X box fan. However, this is one guys opinion. I'm sure that once development swings into high gear for PS3 games, that there will be developers who have no trouble developing for the PS3 and probably some that even think it is easier to develop for. In the end, it will all probably be a wash. Sony will probably still have the larger market share, but by a smaller margin and both systems will make their respective parent companies a great deal of money. The only company (my opinion) that is in real trouble is Nintendo. They keep going farther and farther from what most people want in a gaming system and only the hard core Nintendo fans are going to want the Revolution. 17 -
Havoc 10.19.2005 14:20 well that is what nintendo wants which is to stay out of the console war. They are not looking to be the most powerful system or to be number one and this is why they're going to be in last place because they are considered apart of this console war whether they like it or not. 18 -
to havocGill 10.19.2005 14:24 You think that is what Nintendo wants or did they realize that they have no chance against the other two and just give up and use not wanting to compete in the console wars as an excuse? 19 -
to gillHavoc 10.19.2005 14:31 yea I think they just gave up. I feel kin of sorry for them though. 20 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 14:45 It's not really giving up though. They look at their chances, and decide what their best options would be. It seems they've found their "niche" and I don't think we have to worry about their marketing researchers. They know what they're doing. 21 -
good and bad for both ..........Unregistered - g 10.19.2005 14:45 this is good news for both consoles.the xbox360 will be easy to dev for. games would be made faster than ps3's so it's gonna have (in my opion) more games. as for ps3, companies that used to make games most for them which were not that good will have to re-think about making games becuase of their low badgets and becuase the ps3 is expensive to dev for 22 -
to havocGill 10.19.2005 14:48 Yeah, I feel sorry for them too. They really were the first ones to make a giant leap in console gaming. Now its gimmicks and rehashed titles 23 -
Unregistered - ps3rocks 10.19.2005 15:04 Here come the xbox fanboys. 24 -
Unregistered - ok 10.19.2005 15:09 Ok ps3 is like ps1 dev need 1 game running real time and they will make games for it just like the ps1. Because dev want to creat not just a game but art and the ps3 can do that for them. simple as that! 25 -
xbox 360Unregistered - xbox 360 10.19.2005 15:13 Xbox 360 for me, no disrespect to Sony. 26 -
hymm art ?Unregistered - g 10.19.2005 15:16 keep in mind that becuase of the great leap in technelogy you will need more artist for you art to depth to you character and inveroments. that applies to both consoles 27 -
they should have had multiple develpors opinionsUnregistered - poppa smurf 10.19.2005 15:17 I think if they would have had atleast four other developers as well as this guy and asked them their views I think we would get diverse answers and opinions this is just one guy. 28 -
to comment 23Havoc 10.19.2005 15:24 Who cares, what they got to say we all ready knew more than likly that the 360 would be easier to develope for. Developers will still make their game on ps3. There will also be developers who didn't make games on the ps2 because of its graphics power that will make games on the ps3 now. 29 -
Unregistered - .. 10.19.2005 15:24 we have noe seen anything we have 6 months before the ps3 comes out xbox360 very soon so we really not seen anything yet to tell us who is better, alot of crapy games that dont look good or less games that look good and play good. 30 -
Unregistered - to # 28 10.19.2005 15:27 True but you know what happens when they get a good news they go crazy. 31 -
H3Y ! L00k @ M3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Unregistered - This is The End. 10.19.2005 15:28 "Though this is only the opinion..." And so it is said.... this is only the OPINION of one person....... So...... Either way you look at this, Opinions can't be based on 'Hard' facts...... Sony Vs Xbox.... Yeh. 32 -
PAUL CERULA 10.19.2005 16:17 I for one don't buy a console just because it performs slightly stronger and has different parts that do the same function. I believe that the only unique revolutionary thing going for the ps3 that has some value is the blu-ray. But I could care less about switching DVD's -- in return to get a cheaper console, better online, and better games(just what I prefer). 33 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 16:37 Blu-ray is in no way "revolutionary", it's not going to be like VHS --> DVD which was even hardly revolutionary. If anything, I'd say Cell is revolutionary, as I'm sure it will be used for applications outside of the PS3. 34 -
Unregistered - Tony 10.19.2005 16:46 If it is so easy to develop games to XO, why the hell we have only seen crappy games with crappy framerate. 35 -
#34PAUL CERULA 10.19.2005 16:58 #34, because it's the beginning, launch titles always suck graphically compared to games later developed. Look at halo 1, just cause its a good example, and everyone thought those graphics were incredible and beyond anything at that time. Now halo 2 blew halo 1 away making insane graphical leaps. This is just a good example. Launch titles 3 years from now will be considered pretty bad graphically and other gameplay aspects, that's just how it goes. 36 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 17:03 I just don't f*cking get it, honestly, why are you 360 fans so in a rush to talk about the PS3. Vivicious and Spartan, waht the f*ck is wrong with ya'll. You hate the PS3, ok we f*cking get it, now can you go to a 360 site and post about how this doesn't matter, about how the 360 wil beat Sony. We don't give a f*ck out here.So pop off, ya'll just like a pair of hoes. Sony is not selling d*ck. 37 -
Unregistered - :) 10.19.2005 17:05 John Carmack is lazy, thats why he chose the xbox360 :) 38 -
#36PAUL CERULA 10.19.2005 17:14 #36 really from my part I don't hate the ps3 or Sony. Once upon a time the first console I bought was the ps2. After continuing frustration seeing the xbox's performance and after playing halo 1 once I sold my Ps2 and got the xbox with halo. And never looked back. That kind of tells you how I got wrapped up in the ps2, ignoring other options. I don't want that to happen with other people, just going with the bigger known company for consoles, rather than buying what is best for you. Don't ask me or anyother xbox people to leave because you know it isn't going to happen. 39 -
to #34Unregistered - d'uh! 10.19.2005 17:14 Because its easy to cut and paste crappy current gen games to XO. With the Ps3 u actually have to get to work and develop them! 40 -
Give it a Rest!Unregistered - CJ 10.19.2005 17:17 Sony is at least six months behind Microsoft in just about every catagory imaginable ( catagories like how to marketing, final system packaging, games, pricing, etc...) You can't compare the two until the systems are fully out and have gone through their release stage. Also, blu-ray is revolutionary as far as game platforms go. Can you imagine not only getting Madden 2006 but having enough room to ship an entire collection of music tracks or even albums and still have enough room to add way more content to the Career mode. Sony system may not be dramatically better than Xbox360 but ask any programmer the more storage space to play with the better( assuming the programmers don't waste it). This goes right along with the what programmers wanted in memory. Microsoft listened and gave them what they wanted in memory but settle for out of date technology for a storage medium. When programmers start to get efficient at programming for both consoles the question will come down to how much room we have to put our amazing looking game on. I betting that in three years to achieve the same level of performance on the Xbox360, the Sony will ship on one blu-ray disk while Xbox360 will come on two disks. If anybody starts suggesting Microsoft will sell add-on HD/DVD or Blu-ray through usb are going to be disappointed. USB still does not compare in speed to a internally connect peripheral device and transfer rates will suck. Then there is the added bulk of a second device. Fair bet that Sony will be sticking around for a long time and Microsoft will be left with the scrapes - again. Hey my dog does complain about the scrapes I fed him - he would like bigger helpings. Perhaps this is could be applied to Microsoft now - we shall see. 41 -
Yeah, whatever.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:24 This isn't my main concern right now. Slightly out of topic, but if you want to argue then please go jump off a cliff. Why the hell are they taking all the DMC4 trailers and images off the internet!? Whats going on? 42 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 17:30 Spartan, don't you f*cking get it, you're not converting anybody, how many have said Oh yeah Sony f*cked up, now we're going with the 360, none, save your breath to admire your 360 when it comes out. It won't be long don't you see that everywhere you go that doesn't carry a Sony or a 360 name to it, people are like "I'm waiting for the PS3" What don't you get, your cause is hopeless, The PS3 is straight up superior and the majority of people are waiting for it, i think that after E3 and TGS you saw that MS is in real trouble and now you're desperate. About that guy (he looks like a d*ck anyway with his f*cked up eyes behind the glasses, saying that the 360 has better dev tools, didn't they have it last time, and what happened? Maybe you can answer that damn question since you're so in front saying that the PS3 will follow the path of the PS2. 43 -
Uhhm, dude. If I could high-five you I would.Unregistered - Honest Abe. 10.19.2005 17:32 Ps3Player, you just made the statement I've been trying to say throughout all the topics on this site really stick out. In n00bish talk, you just pwn'd his ass. 44 -
ps3 will ruleUnregistered - ps3 will rule 10.19.2005 17:36 ps3 isn't out yet,how can someone speak about it's dev tools?? at this time, ofcourse the dev tools of 360 are complete because it's coming soon, but how does he know about ps3? 45 -
To all you little flat faced pea brained dipstick fanboys.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:37 Don't you friggin get it yet you queers? I don't know if you've realized, but Ps3 and Xbox360 AREN'T RELEASED you jackasses! Why the hell are you slapping each other over what ones better if only the makers have tested the games out!? You jerks probably haven't even seen a controller for the system you support let alone have played the games. So, everything you say is completely useless and foolish! Spartan you aren't converting crap right now. You're just making yourself look like a man in a pink too-too trying to convert people with copied and pasted assey information off of Wikipedia. So you people should just shove your little dipstick information sources right up your ass and shut the hell up! This is enough! Wait until the friggin system is released before you fight over it. God, you're acting like children. 46 -
PS3 PLAYER KICKS ASS!!Unregistered - ps3 will rule 10.19.2005 17:38 Keep it up man , your posts are awesome. 47 -
And before I get ambushed by you Xbox queers...Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:41 Let me tell you that I am a gamer. I'm not a fan of ether side, but this time I know Ps3 is gonna own. And so is the Xbox360. Why can't you little assholes just realize that and just be normal!? And Ps3fan you rock. Oorah to your posts boy. 48 -
And before I get ambushed by you Xbox queers...Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 17:42 Let me tell you that I am a gamer. I'm not a fan of ether side, but this time I know Ps3 is gonna own. And so is the Xbox360. Why can't you little assholes just realize that and just be normal!? And Ps3fan you rock. Oorah to your posts boy. 49 -
Unregistered - duh! 10.19.2005 17:46 Its easy for jonh Carmack to develop on the 360 since its nothing new (much like a powerful PC) its probably easier and less expensive for ID software to adapt their engine for the 360... if its that hard to develop for the ps3 well i think its good, it proves that the ps3 is trully next gen stuff... 50 -
to Spartan # 38Unregistered - Mathoss 10.19.2005 17:51 You must finishe the story, and then they were two, so you bought the xbox360 and were verry happy until a year later the PS3 came out with better performance so you sold your XBOX360 to buy an PS3.... Just pulling your leg buddy... 51 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:03 This guy don't even have a PS3 tool dev kits but somehow he knows that the 360 has 20 % better dev kits, give me break, how about switching the eyes first, he look like a retard. This is what i'm talking about, these guys at Microsoft think that they can upgrade their graphic chip, give a little more power, upgrade their online strategy "Oh now you can start a business over Live" What the f*ck is that, we're here for games and good games, not marketing stuff. Guys you have not really seen the power of the PS3until you look at the latest PSM screenshots of the PS3 and you'll be stunned i mean really stunned. At least Sony is going to great length to introduce something new. Microsoft is taking us for fools(Gears of war, yeah it looks nice, but does it leave that effect MGS4 leaves, no way, most of GoW takes place in the dark, so lots of shadow always stand out, but my Gosh to even compare that to MGS4 or DMC4, so far what i have seen from these games... man i can't even describe it, you have to feel it). And i thought i saw a guy comparing Halo to MGS4, are you sick? Yes the Halo franchise might have sold 8 million copies but to compare it to the mighty MGS series is suicidal, MGS1 alone sold more than 6 million units now combined that number with MGS2 & MGS3 and tell me where Halo stands. 52 -
You're right ps3fan.Unregistered - Honest Abe 10.19.2005 18:09 And to prove his matters more about Microsoft being nothing more then a group of cheap bastards, wheres the Sony guy standing there like a retard saying Xbox will have better games but Ps3 has a better graphics? Sony would never go as low as that. Ever. Xbox360 is nothing more then a powerful computer. Oh, and if you spend a good 10K on computer hardware you can already have a machine the strength of the 360. But the hardware for Ps3 is Next-gen. Can't do that with Ps3. Xbox360 is nothing more then a hype machine. Just like their older one. So what, that one had a better dev kit too. Why don't you open your faggot eyes and see what happened you guys. 53 -
Yup!Unregistered - ?????????? 10.19.2005 18:14 This guy is the biggest dou che in the world. Everyone new the 360 was gona be hella easy to develope for just like the Ps3 is gona have better graphics. Im sorry. I dont see the big news here. 54 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:14 Spartan, that story is funny, you bought a PS2 sold it and bought an Xbox, you will buy a 360 and you'll sell it to buy a PS3, THE END. Why can't you be still. Now the moral of the story is "Spartan is a FLIP FLOPPER". 55 -
viviciousUnregistered - maccdaddy 10.19.2005 18:16 i hope your wrong about the ps3 developing tools not being done yet because the sony ps3 are scheduled to come out spring of next year. They should be done or really close to it by now. 56 -
52Unregistered - hmmmm 10.19.2005 18:17 52. What are you blabbering about. If you gave me 10k i guarantee you i could build you a Ps3. For the record, there both hype machines seeing how neither has been released. 57 -
I agreeUnregistered - ig 10.19.2005 18:22 I agree 56. I'd build you 2 for 10k though and then keep the rest for myself. 58 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:23 Why should Sony have theirs now , when MS shipped theirs just before TGS, thats two months before the 360 launch, pick yourself up, you're blindly telling everyone, everything MS does is a good thing. Now i don't expect Sony to have tehm til December or even January, i'm not blindly writing sh*t. Now the moral of that story is "Don't talk when your head is in Bill Gates's a*s" 59 -
# 51 and 52Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.19.2005 18:31 not to be rude, but # 51 how can you sit there and decide what kind of FEELING gears of war has and MGS4 has like you played them? Your basically saying something that is biased and wrong. For instance i have a better feel for Gears of war than MGS4. and # 52, the first xbox wasnt a hype machine. Neither is the xbox 360. unlike sony, microsoft only showed what their system was capable of by showing gameplay. If anything the ps3 is a hype machine. One more thing, yes you are right honest abe, you can spend 10,000 dollars on a computer to get graphics almost as good as the xbox 360 and the ps3, but why does that even matter? wouldnt you rather pay 400 for a system than 10,000 on a computer? He never said the xbox 360 was going to be horrible and he never said how much better the ps3 was better in terms of graphics. again, im not being rude. 60 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 18:43 How More Dumb Can You Be "how can you sit there and decide what kind of FEELING gears of war has and MGS4 has like you played them? Your basically saying something that is biased and wrong. For instance i have a better feel for Gears of war than MGS4." Did you even reread it before you post it. First off 1) Since when did people have to play a game to feel somthing about it, visuals has feeling too, maybe you're f*cking blind which if you were you wouldn't know anything about videogames at all 2) This is the funniest part of what you posted, i can you say to me that i must play the game first in order to feel something (which in itself is already dumb) while you're feeling for Gears of War even though you haven't play it yet. Now the moral of that story is "Stop being an hypocrite and an imbecile." 61 -
ps3 playerUnregistered - maccdaddysECOND OF ALL 10.19.2005 18:52 i wasnt saying that MGS4 didnt have feeling for some people, i was saying that it isnt that way for everybody like you made it seem. Second of all, i wasnt saying that i had any feeling for gears of war i was giving an example of what your were doing. I wouldnt how how good the game was until i played it. By the way im only 14 and i didnt resort to name calling... wow dont you feel like a real man. And i wasnt putting down you opinion about mgs4 just so you know. 62 -
Ah... Spartan -----Unregistered - AH 10.19.2005 18:53 "Better online, and better games(just what I prefer)." Ah... Did you know that SCEI apprently is making a very idenitcal system as Xbox Live's setup...? and... what ... great list of Xbox games are there besides *Ninga Gaiden and Halo... Just... wondering cause i got Xbox and Ps2... where Ps2 has the better greatest hits... Xbox makes up for performance... so yeh kinda.. kinda odd with ur opinion... ? but whatever... ! 63 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 18:56 Any objective gamer shouldn't even read that PS3player's posts, he acts like a complete ass on whatever site he posts on. We get it by now people, Spartan is an xbox fanboy, and PS3player is a PS3 fanboy (what a shocking conclusion with a name like that.) It's no big deal or anything, just quit flaming the whole god damn time with useless drivel you have no way of proving! And get your info together: In mid- to late-August, IGN learned, developers received the Final Development Kits, three months prior to launch. This is pretty much standard. And macdaddy, PS3 is also pretty much on scheduele, it's normal that they don't have the final dev kits yet. They are just about to ship the beta dev kits, about 6 months before the estimated Japanese launch, which is about the same as the X360 (June), so I'm sure they'll have more than enough time to optimize the performance of their games. Actually, X360 was a few weeks late even, which explains the disapointing E3, but the updated beta dev kits of the X360 got pretty close to the final product. So I think we can expect some great stuff from Sony's PS3 before the X360 is launched. 64 -
Well this does it...Unregistered - Bob 10.19.2005 18:59 After hearing everything about how much the PS3 is going downhill I'm officially switching to Xbox and Microsoft. XBox was superior to PS2 in every way (graphics, gameplay, games, online) but I tried to stay loyal to Sony because I owned their console and couldn't afford to buy an XBox too. I kept telling myself "PS3 will be better". Now I know that PS3 isn't going to be able to keep up to Microsoft. The 360 is looking great... it's just as powerful as the PS3 (or close to it) but it has way more functionality, developers like it more because it has a software giant backing it up with dev tools, etc, AND XBox live is just so much superior to anything else. There's no way Sony can make an online service even remotely comparable to Live! (I'm just being honest... remember... I'm a "Sony fanboy" who's only just starting to see the light.) Microsoft - you've convinced me. This gamer is no longer going to support Sony's sinking ship. 65 -
Bah...Retard 10.19.2005 19:01 Hmmm... Hail to the Retard.... Hmmm, is anyone interested in PlayStation 3 in here? Seems... like there are alot of people who like Xbox 360... :D 66 -
VivicousUnregistered - maccdaddy 10.19.2005 19:06 hey man your pretty cool and thanks for not getting mad about my post. Also, thanks for the information about ps3player. i know now not to listen to him.I have a xbox 360 on reserve but im also thinking about getting a ps3 too when it comes out so i can have the best of both worlds. 67 -
#62Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:07 If you're looking for some great Xbox titles, I reccomend: Jade Empire, Chronicles of Riddick, Splinter Cell series, PGR2, Rallisport Challenge 1+2, Crimson Skies, KOTOR, FC: Instincts, Fable, Top Spin, DOA 3, MechAssault 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta (!) and Forza Motorsport. Those are some titles I'd really recommend, especially if you can find them cheap somewhere, all top of the line. I'm sure you know most of the PS2's best titles, as this is a PS related site ;-) Current addictions: God of War, FC:Instincts, Shadow of the Colossus and anxiously awaiting Ninja Gaiden Black (Probably the hardest console game to date, followed by games like Metal Slug). 68 -
# 65Retard 10.19.2005 19:07 Just a thought but... Look at the consoles in the past that came out they were normally either weaker then it's rival ... But... looking at the systems now it doesn't seems to be a graphic's/CPU problem because there'll only be a slight differnce between the two... it just seems to me that it'll be an issue on what they'll can provide (i.e. Hard Drives Xbox 360 -i think-) + (PlayStation 3 Blu-Ray and BlueTooth) and... well... Game titles ! ~Just a thought, don't bash the retards opinion ! :) 69 -
#64Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:09 Get real, you're not convincing anyone with your whole "converted" speech, it's pretty obvious you were an Xbox fanboy to begin with :P Anyway, any self respecting gamer would be clutching the PS2 to his chest and a copy of Shadow of the Colossus at the moment if he had the chance. 70 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:11 Retard, you're def. right about the games, it will always come down to that. The most ideal is all of the available platforms of course, but with a limited budget you should be looking at the games in the first place. I think there is a large group of people here that realise that, they're just drowned out by the endless droning of all the Xbox/PS fanboys. :-) 71 -
Unregistered - melly 10.19.2005 19:17 i heard that at the 22-30 event in japan sony will have playable demo running on 3 cell chip, sorry for being off topic. but sony has it that the febuary event will be a surprise, my uncle which work for sony computer entainment america, says that they will relese the price and will release the ps3 at a secret launce date, march 11 2006. 72 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:24 Sorry buddy, but the beginning of March isn't very realistic. Seeing as they have yet to release the beta kits, though it should be any day now (maybe already started shipping them out, I think so), the final dev kits will have not been around long enough and they would have close to no games done, or just completely rushed and we don't want that. 73 -
this is getting ridiculous!Unregistered - Sony Fan 10.19.2005 19:25 we're fighting with each other for months and it never ends. let anyone goes his way and see what happens. i believe that PS3 will be the superior godlike console and don't want to waste my money on 360. i can buy 10 PS3 games with that money. Spartan and Vivicious say otherwise,they can go their own way. let's finish this here and wait for the future events! 74 -
the debateUnregistered - ares 10.19.2005 19:35 well im getting a 360 and hopefully the ps3 on launch day as well. I'm not to concerned about the 360 b/c even though it doesn't have blue-ray(by the way i think it is a big adv. to have more storage space) it does hhave xbox live which will allow for the downloadable content that may have not had been put on limited disk space. Im not concerned about the PS3's performance b/c Sony makes a hella of a console, but i am kinda concerned about the rumors of difficult and expensive development. More so the expensive! I for one am a gamer who does find enjoyment out of playing what some would call crappy games. That being said i hope sony doesnt limit itself to its blockbuster titles and leave little guys behind. 75 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 19:36 Vivicious, why do you have to mention my name for. See now Spartan is laying low, but you just won't stop, will you? Let me tell you something homies, straight up, if i were you i would do just like Spartan play cool and don't insult me aight?, eveytime you post i see my name mentioned, well here's some info for you son, it DM AKA DJa, motherf*cker, don't think that cauz you live in the suburb or with mommy and daddy you can't get touched. I've been around, done this done that serve up my time, don't think that because i play videogames i'm a soft motherf*cker like you homie, when it comes to real beef i'll make your day. Relax, be cool 76 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 19:38 People, There you have it, the guy said it himself, that the PS3 is more powerful, and the all out final version of the ps3 is not even complete yet, so that is end of discussion. Also, 360 is easier to dev for, well, the ps3 is still 6 to 7 months away, so its gonna take time to learn it. There is no debate anymore, one of the smartest programmers just told all you fool 360 fans that your system is not as powerful. its only a matter of time when the dev start learning the ins and outs of the ps3. bye bye 360. 77 -
dead wrongUnregistered - ares 10.19.2005 19:43 I hate when ppl say one szstem or the other is going down. Everyone knows Sony wont fall, and for those sony fanboys who think MS will take a good look at zour own forum swarming with Xbots and ppl who want both (myself). if zou think either is goin down in the words of the Notorious BIG your dead wrong. 78 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 19:45 It probably wont go down, but it was just a expression I was using. I'm sure its here to stay. But I just prefer PS3 from what i have seen. 79 -
75Unregistered - wow 10.19.2005 19:48 I understand you may have some sort of problem with vivicious, but honestly when you talk like you do it makes every one assume your twelve...well you might be. I mean what are you gonna do email him a can of whoop ass! Get real or get lost! 80 -
#75Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:49 Wow Ps3player, thanks for that great post, really made me laugh. You also just proved my point and made yourself look like a total idiot. LOL, I can just picture your scrawny figure behind the PC looking up white trash gangster lingo. Who the hell writes like that anyway? Jeez man, you are completely sick in the head, or maybe just a screwed up little kid, either way, stop sticking your foot in your mouth. 81 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 19:50 I know thats right, Lets say even if you are some Hardcore guy, and can kick some serious butt, it jsut sounds dumb acting hardcore over the internet. 82 -
78Unregistered - ares 10.19.2005 19:50 very well, i have nothing against enthusiasm! 83 -
#76Vivicious 10.19.2005 19:51 A bit overdone the way you put it, but I agree, in the long run we should be seeing some more impressive AI and phsysics coming from the PS3. 84 -
ps3player is a gangster?Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:00 whoa! f.ck this! f.ck that! but wait whats this ps3player quote but my GOSH to compare... end quote. HOLY GEE WILICKERS.. GOSH guys i cant take the lords name in vain, but fuk this and that, ive done time. my ass! its clear hes a 13 year old mommas boy haha nice slip FAG! 85 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:04 For the record i was born black and i will die black, motherf*cker, DM Aka Dja. You obviously don't get that you're a p*ssy , in my face you wouldnt even talk son, but now you're acting like you got balls, the only time you ever see nuts is when you getting bang gang, you faggot a*s motherf*cker. Man like i said you want beef all you gotta do is bring, and you better be ready with your motherf*cking crew cauz you're gonna need back up, you little b*tch. You want beef, you can get some, you're talking sh*t about being social and stuff, i ain't talking to impress you here, as a matter of fact i wanna slap the sh*t out of ya, and id' f*cking rip you apart and i don't f*ck if i gotta go to jail (black on white crime motherf*cker it happens all the time), i've been there my man, i ain't scared. 86 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:09 ps3player, please...shut up. your mommy might be calling you downstairs. 87 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:10 That HaHaHa guy, you ready to bring it too, i don't give a f*ck, you think that you can step up to me too, well guess what you better be packed, DM Aka Dja straight up from the streets of BK, you wanna holla, here we go NYC baby, you wanna talk sh*t let's do this. Motherf*cker make i'd make sure that you never again pick up a controller in your life. 88 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:15 Jin Kazama, this ain't no Tekken sh*t, i'm for real man, BK baby straight from the streets of NYC, you want beef too all you gotta do is bring it, well you you're so soft that i'll take you online, when you buy Tekken 6 for the PS3 since it will likely be online, hit me up whenever you see the name "DJAtw" or "Flashspeed" that's my home boy. You're so not major that i don't even wanna take aim at you, you juvenile a*s motherf*cker, go play with your sister. 89 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:18 See how easy it is to have this guy make a fool of himself? I hope everyone is enjoying this guy's posts like I am! My god, how can people be this pathetic, yet are able to work a computer? He must have the IQ of a carrot, to be posting comments like this. I'd also really like to hear all these people that a while ago mentioned PS3player making a good point and stuff. :-) His approval rating must have just gone through the floor. Anyway, as funny as this is, I'd be pretty shocked if this guy doesn't get banned or at least get rid of his posts. I've seen a Mod (Dusty) respond to comments at the X360 affiliate site, do they check it here often? They should really get around to clearing all this crap (PS3player) into the gutter. 90 -
ps3player again!Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:20 While it would be quite interesting to see you in your physical apperance and quite humorous I assume, I neither have the time nor the inclination to do so. 91 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:22 PS3player, I dont think you're a bad guy, you're funny man. Yea, hopefully tekken will be online on the ps3, its gonna be real nice. I'll take you out on that anyday. Bring it. 92 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:24 Wow, that's pretty shocking, you're not disgusted with people like that? Is this standard behaviour in America or....? I'm curious. :P 93 -
Actually....Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:25 i hope ps3player is a real thug. I can see some hood ass gangater sitting in some rotting apartment with an old HP PC that can only run solitare. It'd be funny me thinks. 94 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:26 Nah man, its just funny. 95 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:26 LOL, that was pretty funny. =D Particularly the solitaire part. 96 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:31 i don't care about what people think now, a while ago it was about games, so i was cool, but now it's beef you want, and to me it's between you and me. Out here you talk like George of the Jungle but i bet when your face is in the gutter you'll be looking like a little kitten. Since you're not from the streets you might not get scars but don't think that you're unrechable, unlike you when i talk about guns i ain't talking about clappimg my palms, trying to disrespect me dog, i'll leave your chests full of clips. And don't worry this is no freestyle contest, cauz i don't battle f*gs. 97 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:31 back to the real topic, PS3 is gonna be AWESOME!!! 98 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:34 rrrrrright, enough of that guy, had enough laughs for one night. His posts just seem to be getting more pathetic by the minute. **Ignore mode reactivated** It's been said, but we shouldn't really read anything into this anyway, PS3 still has a long way to go before it's done. 99 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:35 What Topic kid, i thought you wanted to smack me up, what happened? Where you from anyaway, state your hood motherf*cker. 100 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:38 Lol, you think I'm dillusional like you? No, see, I actually realise how much of an idiot you would look like talking trash from behind a computer...I guess you haven't figured that out yet, maybe when you grow up? 101 -
lookUnregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:39 seriously, we don't know who you are, but then again you don't know who we are. And likely those who run their mouths are the one's who are likely to get them shut in real life. So that being said, i have learned through my short 20 yrs here, two of them in the military, that it's best to shoot your enemy from afar. so ps3player if you were looking for perhaps a better alternative than your particularly stupid approach to ppl you've never met there it is. 102 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:39 Oh, just realised you were talking to one of the other people you were threatening through your computer screen. 103 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:40 I doubt he's like this in real life, and if he is, he'll learn soon enough when to keep his mouth shut. That is, if he lives to see his 18th birthday. 104 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:41 State my hood, ahh okay, I just moved to California from detroit, so I guess my Hood would be Los Angeles now. 105 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:42 I think you were supposed to add some flair to that, and at least spice it up a bit with some vulgarities. 106 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:44 Oh yea, ok. I beez from da Detroit city dawg, now I am str8 locked up on deaf row out here on da wes coast, you wanna start some east coast west coast again, i'm down dawg, tupac fah life 107 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:45 Ok, thanks for that. That was pretty damn funny. Anyway, it's fun to keep him on a lead, but somewhere along the line we should stop gunking up the message board. 108 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:46 By the way, I nominate that remark (#106) for the funniest comment on this entire thread. :P 109 -
Unregistered - JIN KAZAMA 10.19.2005 20:47 Its over for me. I am done with him, lets talk about the real deal. Ps3 is gonna have some sweet games, just like 360. its going to be a good match. i prefer ps3 110 -
Vivicious 10.19.2005 20:50 Yea, good. I'm really optimistic about both, def. going to need to get the X360 because of several games, same goes for PS3. I'm expecting alot more out of the PS3 than guys like this Carmack are having people believe. Not that he's lying, I just think several people don't see the whole picture. I guess I'll have to scrape the money together somehow. ;-) 111 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 20:51 Vivicious, i step up to you and what do you have to say "You're a moron" You're simply a p*ssy, so man just save your breath when you find some other young a*s motherf*cker like you, maybe you can talk sh*t to them, but to me you're a small timer, i don't even think you're a man, your reply are wack, somebody slap you and you cry, so you're a church boy, live your little life and die old. Man i should have sign up for the Army last month by now i would be in Iraq or somewhere, not here talking to a small timer like you, i mean common, you don't have any balls you're not even worth one of my punches, you don't have any street credits, what the f*ck am i talking to you about beef for, it's not food, your first line of defense it the police, well f*ck these motherf*ckers too. You know what you never even had a fight in your life, why would i wanna f*ck you up. Chill you've just prove to me how low you're life is. You're a coward to the death. 112 -
i dont know....Unregistered - haha 10.19.2005 20:58 if your army/military comment was directed towards me in anyway, but if it was please don't come talking to me as if i were some gang banging piece of trash. I work for a living and like to consider myself a respectable person, so as much as i'd like to argue with you, b/c i do get some enjoyment out of this for some reason. It would be best if you used your big boy talk. Go ahead try it out... 113 -
SorryUnregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 21:19 Hey I'm Mr. Matthew Henry. I have just returned to my computer office, to find this web pages add comment page minimized on my screen. The name entered in the space was filled PS3player, with a comment that was rather nasty posted below. Curiosly I decided to check what else was posted. It does seem my 15 year old son has been causing your web site some trouble; I apologize for the inconvinience. Mr. Matthew Henry 114 -
funny either wayUnregistered - funnyfunny 10.19.2005 21:29 funny if its a joke, funnier if its true. i'd like to see him talk his way out of that. 115 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 21:31 Well guess what daddy F*ck you, how about that Mathew Henry, f*ck you, and f*ck your wife too, you a*shole, you step out of your office because of what. Your boss wanted a blowjob. Pop off you fake a*s poster. 116 -
Unregistered - huh? 10.19.2005 22:05 what the hell is he trying to say? too pumped up from rage to check his spelling? 117 -
Unregistered - huh? 10.19.2005 22:06 lmao "fake a*s poster" for your information hes a real poster. 118 -
Unregistered - fhxh 10.19.2005 22:39 any1 of u guys getting a 360 or a PS3 give me ur online names so i can vers u =) and mayb beat u + lets be friends 119 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.19.2005 23:37 Anytime, from Soccom, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Conflict, Resident Evil outbreak, you see the name "Djatw" you can holla and get ready for an a*s whooping or a co-op. You'll find me on the PS3 only, i'm exclusively on PS3. 120 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.19.2005 23:47 Oh you are so hard core, stop it. I'm sure Vivious is just simply terrified by you, as are the rest of us. If you're so bad, what are you on paper for? 121 -
PAUL CERULA 10.20.2005 00:09 Can't we all just learn from each other, that's what forums should be about.... YAH RIGHT - - - 122 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.20.2005 00:12 I ain't no gangster, i don't carry a a blue flag or red flag as far as i'm concerned some of them cats are snakes anyway, i don't get down with them, i don't take crap from any of ya'll,because i know how much i pack, who i roll with and how i get down, harccore isn't it too, i'm not the kind who looks for opportunity to make, me i'm here however it comes it comes, just gotta live with that. I got my crew and we can take of of ya'll down, ya'll think that i'm joking, what you see on TV is different from what you get from the streets. You wanna call me gangster, i ain't down with that i don't jump people and take their money, i don't stand around the corners doing signs selling weeds, no man out here we make crews so that we don't get jumped and smack around for fun,anyway i gotta bounce now, see ya'll tomorrow. 123 -
PS3playerUnregistered - Muzzleflash218 10.20.2005 00:28 I figured you weren't in a gang. You are exactly what I thought you were, a fake hiding behind his computer talking big. Why are you leaving? Mommy catch you on the computer after bedtime? It's good that your leaving, now the grown-ups can talk. I'd try a different career path than the military. Last time I checked they didn't allow people like you in (don't ask don't tell, homey). As for you and your crew, I'm sure you get lots of respect at your junior high. You don't know crap about the streets, I've worked them for ten years and seen dozens of little boys like yourself cry for their mommies when the real word reaches out and grabs them. You want people to stop talking crap to you? Stop with the profanity, its a sign of little intelligence and it impresses no one. Kill the threats too. You can't do anything to anyone from your computer. 124 -
muzzleflashUnregistered - eh 10.20.2005 00:50 well said muzzle...well said... 125 -
Don't listen to Carmack Punk Street 10.20.2005 01:25 Does anyone really care what Carkmack has to say, I mean when's the last time the guy actually did a game for a console besides Doom 3 and it's not like the program developers for Sony can't get used to the development tools and dev kits. It's one thing to say that the current technology is easy to develop for right now but times are changing and people have to get used to new technology whether they like it or not because if an individual can't keep up with change they only suffer. If you guys ever watched the "Shawshank Redemption" I forget the old mans name but he hung himself because he was in jail so long, the man basicly couldn't keep up with society when he was out of prison. I'm not saying Sony will fail, but society's changing and the developers are working hard with the things they have that's probably why the ps3 isn't out yet. Spartan your not a game developer so you need to stop with this converting stuff because it's getting old, just because Carmack said that doesn't make him right because the developers have time on their side which is essential. 126 -
Power, Controller, Blu RayUnregistered - TK 10.20.2005 01:29 Mostly the same game engines will run on both. So the same games will run on both (or all three) next gen consoles - except for the exclusive franchises. The Revolution's selling point will be the controller - and it will probably attract most "new" players. The PS3 will have the edge on power - that much is clear, so some of the really good graphics and power hungry games will shine on the PS3. But the biggest selling point of the PS3 will be because it will be a relatively cheap Blu-Ray player that will get many who are looking for "next gen" video titles to buy it as a replacement for the DVD player. This will push the number of hardware sales (especially now that most of the content creators are supporting it. This alone - like the PS2 playing DVD's will push PS3's sales figures. Heck - I bought a PS2 back then because it was a DVD player and for a few bucks more than a DVD player I got a games machine as a bonus. I think the PS2, PSP, DS will rule this festive season (expect price drops, some good titles and plenty of platinum titles at reduced prices). The 360 will most probably have a relatively good launch, but the bulk will be current gen. Then when the Blu-Ray video titles launch, PS3's will sell like hot cakes - not just gamers who will buy it, but people looking for next-gen DVD players. And then the Revolution will hit - and the controller will most probably have everyone talking. The staying power in sales for PS3 will be Blu-Ray playback (introducing a lot of non-gamers to next gen gaming). It will then just depend on if the titles released have an edge over the 360 titles in terms of quality. Expect a *lot* of people who did not read the thing about the 360 requiring the hard disk to play back old XBox games - and whining like hell because the other consoles can play previous gen titles out of the box, an then realising that they are left out with no next gen video playback features (until "next-gen" broadband enables downloading "next gen" video). I will most probably go for the PS3 - because I have quite a bit of PS2 titles that I would not like to throw away, and because it will give me access to Blu-Ray content. Maybe a Revolution after that if the controller gets some real good titles, and lives up to the hype. The 360 just seems to be upgrade of current gen with now new features. Just more of the same, and maybe having to swop DVD's for some titles because storage is too small. Personally I think the 360's lack of support of Blu Ray (and with no real innovation like the Revolution controller) will cause them to lose in the long term. 127 -
Unregistered - adfafdas 10.20.2005 01:38 Play the console for the games not the powerof the system. This is one opinion from one person who says that the ps3 is marginally more powerful but xbox 360 has better dev tools. WHOO| CARES. Just play the damn games. 128 -
Punk Street 10.20.2005 01:40 Seriously don't listen to this guy he's stuck in the past, even if it is true it's not like the game developers won't be able learn how to use the tools in time and honestly who's he to judge whats easy and whats hard. Everyone needs to work hard on what they can do for thier part in society, I don't take favorites and I doubt this guy's 100% right. Video game developers aren't stupid they're learning what to do with the tools for the games and it's not like it'll have an effect on the game, eventually everyone has to start from scracth and learn, that's how life is people. 129 -
The games will still be goodUnregistered - Who cares 10.20.2005 01:54 His one opinion won't effect the ps3 games that's just a bunch of bull once the games are done no amount of development tools can prove if the games are good or not Dave Jeffe worked with what he had to make god of War and it became a hit 130 -
Gamer of the MonthUnregistered - Gin 10.20.2005 02:14 Right now the game developers are taking their time and working with what they have and I gotta say the guys wrong and spartan who really cares if you sold your ps two no one really cares what you have to say anymore so just leave because your just being an annoyance. 131 -
Change is always goodUnregistered - Tarmack 10.20.2005 02:41 I have to disagree with this guy even if he is some so called genius times are changing and just because microsoft makes faster computers does not mean their one hundred percent efficient plus the game developers and sony excutives are working really hard right now and who is he to say what is hard and easy. I mean was it hard for the right brothers to fly a prototype plane in the sky no they worked with what they had and they created the first generation of flight for planes. 132 -
Cell?Unregistered - Truth 10.20.2005 02:59 I think the real hurdle for all next generation game developers will be utilizing the Cell processor. If they can pull it off then I really don't see any way you can logically compare PS3 games and XBOX 360 games. They will both look beautiful, but only PS3 games will be true interactive worlds. The sheer processing power of the Cell will be able to go unparalled things in terms of interactivity and AI, not to mention it is it's own sound and graphics processor in a sense as well. I'm not so much harping the PS3 as I am the Cell chip. I see it doing some things that the XBOX 350 processor just won't be able to pull off. Just my opinion though... 133 -
Ah, does anyone notice...Retard 10.20.2005 06:19 Well, like the guy said it's his opinion... So, there is no hard evidence (if anyone realizes, Cell + the Power5 x3 are both made by IBM!)...either way... We gotta wait till the actual like... Games come out... 134 -
Cell Is Powerful-----------------Unregistered - HaHa 10.20.2005 06:21 Cell's built as a X2 PowerPC/ 8 SPE's- PPES (Local Memory)-1 SPE used for redunacy, this is an incredible Processor. 135 -
good job truth.........Ken Daou 10.20.2005 06:24 I think that youve already said what i was goin to say i mean that the developers are so way talented and they would get advantage of the cells power despite its difficulty to develop for then 1 year later games would incredibly surpass those on the 360...im not a fan-boy but many articles from well famous people proved so.... PEACE!!!! BY THE WAY IM FROM LEBANON.... |
