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PS3 Losing Support from Developers?
03 Oct 2005 04:32 | DragonFly | Playstation 3
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Word on the net has it that Japanese game developers are leaving the PS3 at a rate worse than Nintendo’s GameCube era”. Kutaragi could be demanding too much greatness from developers, and with initial investment required for PS3 development reported to be as high as US $17.6 million some developers could now be leaving Sony in favour of Microsoft and their Xbox 360.

With the recent cancellation of Condemned for the PS3 and more and more developers announcing a preference for Xbox 360, claiming the PS3 architecture is too advanced and difficult to program for, certainly gives these latest rumors some credibility. It’s a recent article on Japanese site ZakZak that seems to be the source for these recent claims.

Most believe it will be a decisive victory [for Sony], with the catch phrase “Don’t stop evolution”, much like Junichirou Koizumi’s election victory with his catchphrase “Don’t stop reformation.” However, another industry insider confided, “This is nothing but a nightmare for many Japanese software development companies.”

One of the reasons for this nightmare is soaring development costs.

The industry insider went on to say, “Kutaragi has said, ‘Please develop suitable software for PS3 - this software must not be of the same standard as PS2 software.’ Developing software for the PS3 from scratch will require an initial investment of at least 2 billion yen [US $17.6 million] [not including development costs]. There are not many software companies that can easily afford that kind of money.”

You can read the whole translation over at ps3focus.com







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1 - Ha ha
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 16:44
Ha ha

2 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 17:24
hey u took the words out of my mouth

3 - Nooooooooooo!
Unregistered - PS3 fan 10.03.2005 17:29
I wanted condemend i mean i wasnt gonna buy the consle for it but i would of really wanted to play it damn you 360 i shall still buy PS3 for MGS4 hahahahaha

4 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 17:31
Its a good thing this is made up.

5 -
Unregistered - Sam 10.03.2005 17:33
Thats a bunch of bull crap, after all, final dev kits are just going out or havent even gone out yet.

6 - Old News
Unregistered - WildAttorney 10.03.2005 17:41
I reported on this many days ago at: http://www.spinning360.com/news/index.php?paged=3

Based on everything I can see, it's very much true. There will still be plenty of developers for the PS3, I would have to predict, but the PS3 is certainly losing a number of key titles it would like to have in the ultra-competitive race with Microsoft. Fortunately, I will have both consoles. ;)

---WildAttorney (www.spinning360.com)



7 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 17:43
no kiding this is all M$ started shit I bet. There is no way Sony would have made a system that is that hard to design for. This is just BS and it will be proved all false, but that condemed might just be that M$ bought them out and told them to say that you never know.

8 - #7
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:06
condemend is by sega . and the last time i looked microsoft didnt buy sega ??
sony may and i stress may have gotten too cocky with its dominance, and taken things for granted and took its eye off the ball.. who knows onlytime will tell.
it sounds true the cell IS way complicated maybe too complicated and with the 360's friendly familiar developer tools (no need for vast input of extra revenue) to get outstanding results . kinda makes sence .


9 - what the...
Unregistered - Dude 10.03.2005 18:16
If you were to make a system that was not annouced to the gaming world yet, well, no shit it'd be difficult. People are just giving up, and Sony HAS a lot of people on it's side. If you ask me, this is bullshit. If anyone were to try to create a system, hardware for gaming, it'd be most difficult indeed. Just because money can't afford it, people just totally give in to the other side. Well, in my opinion, take the buisness elsewhere...

10 - nonsense by microsoft
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:24
this is nonsense. transmeta is developing middleware for cell utilization in ps3. sony is the master in this arena,they were here from 1994 and they know how to do it. i don't believe this crap at all.

11 - HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:29
what did i tell you fanboi's POS3 is losing it's devs to the big M$. once again >owndizzled< wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. get a 360 and join the winning team, you know you want to.

12 - Attention all ps3 fans!!!!
Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.03.2005 18:30
Hey, if developers cant invest in the ps3 because its tooo expensive then they wont. Do you expect them to give in all of their money for sony? NO!!!!! Also, why is it that everytime something is against the ps3 its all made up by microsoft? You all believed that ageia physics test was true because it was about the xbox 360 but when they stated that it wasnt true you all said " microsoft told them to say that". Its probably true that its too complicated and you know it. You guys shouldnt be biased when it comes to the facts. The developers for Condemmed DID leave the Ps3 and they went to microsoft by choice.

13 - might be possible
Unregistered - ninja0327 10.03.2005 18:35
first of all non of the developers have corfimed this so personally i have my doubts.second,from reports earlier the ps3 was sayed to be difficult to develop for so it might make sense or be partialy right though i don't think sony would allow developers to make such comments because it would damage the ps3's reputation. Third sony got carried away TOO much. i think ken kituraga( if thats his name)forced sony to make such revolutionary complicated console that they forgot developers. they simply ignored them and went created a beast that is difficult to understand and expensive to make a game for. the cell is good but they made it at the wrong time.the's a deep division in the sony camp regarding the ps3

well if the article is to be trusted then it would be major blow for sony and a huge boost for m$ and possibly nintendo revolution but until any concrete information i keep my doubts


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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:38
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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:39
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16 - # 14
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:42
if you ask lord gates nice and proper he might, just might let you buy a 360. OWNAGE this news is great and it's on a PS3 site hahahaaha.

17 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:42
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18 - ADVISE
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:43
1 stop accusing microsoft if something against sony is sayed.
2 thats a sign of weakness.
3 don't trust everything on the internet
4 wait for official confirmation.
5be patient the truth will come out.


peace out


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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:44
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20 - ADVISE
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 18:45
1 stop accusing microsoft if something against sony is sayed.
2 thats a sign of weakness.
3 don't trust everything on the internet
4 wait for official confirmation.
5be patient the truth will come out.

* please no fanboy comments whether from sony or M$.

peace out


21 - MY OPINION IS YOURS.
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 18:52
I first read that article on www.xbox360.com. To be honest on that site they said that the source was anonymous, if you don't believe me go check it out. Right now we don't know if that is true at all,so 360 fans please stay out of this, let Sony fans worry about that.When the PS2 was about to come out, there were rumors that it was difficult to produce for and that Sony was losing support in the end i don't know if that was true but i can say that Sony had and still have one hell of a support for the PS2. Common i mean what do these developpers want, Sony is aiming for realistic games, so expect the architecture of the PS3 to be totally different and difficult than those plastic doll graphs of the 360(not all game though but a good many). Humans are more complicated than any living other thing, so if the graphics are to approach Hollywood movies well for Christ's sake expect it to be different than the same old consoles with an upgraded graphic chips. I believe in Sony, i had 8 years with them now and i'm not even thinking of buying another console other than the PS3, so if Sony is to die so will I, God forbid. I think in the end just like the PS2 developpers will greatly embrace the change and still keep us #1.

22 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 19:02
wow #15 your so creative you know cursing like an idiot. Why don't you calm down with other ps3 fans and take the blows as they come. Ps3 in all their inflated expectations isn't that great. Expensive equipment = expensive products Also sony reputation on reliable trailers = dev kits. Really guys wake up and quit following Ps3 just because it has a sony label and your used to it. More so with the Nintendo rejects

23 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 19:08
To #22. Are you happy well go celebrate with your 360 fans elsewhere, right now this is a PS fans matters or should i say none of your business. When you have something to tell that we don't know about, come talk to us, right now your comments are useless.

24 - PS3 fanboi's witness greatness
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 19:09
http://www.playerone.be/ and click on the HD vid of PGR3. ooooooohhhh.

25 - Sony better get it together
Unregistered - Anonymous Gamer 10.03.2005 19:10
#7 is right, Sony is getting a little too cocky. They don't respect that Microsoft or Nintendo could claim the top spot in the next-gen. At E3 they had the balls to say that the next generation begins when they say it does.

#14 just reenforceses what #12 said...

And the Blu-Ray spec isn't even finalized yet so they've got their work cut out for them if the PS3 is goning to launch in spring '06.


26 - To #22
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 19:15
when you come here and say:"people,come and buy xbox,it's better,quit sony..."
this shows your weakness. you don't know what to do. just find a nonsense and try to impose it. if xbox was so good, it wouldn't need you to come here and say it. it can show it's potential. personally i never ever buy a product with a microsoft label on it.


27 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 19:24
did you forget the ps1 nos support and then 1 game change it all.When thry see the power of the ps3 they will work like hell.

28 - # 26
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 19:26
shut up and get in the corner, you dont buy M$ goods eh? let me guess your using a MAC and your using Linux pffffffff. i have many sony items around the house a TV, DVD, HIFI, i like quality but when i comes to consoles i choose M$ because they are the best, just like last gen. i had a ps2 for about a year then got pissed off with it...... yada yada yada. anywho just because it's a good brand name does not mean it is the best at everything.

29 - Wait!!!
Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 10.03.2005 19:33
I agree with #18 be patient this could be true and it could be false so just wait and see. If it is true though, Sony is going to be in big trouble because alot of their developers are going to the other next-gen consoles. Sony made the "Cell" way to early, I believe they should of made the "Cell" for the Playstation 4(if there is going to be a Playstation 4) instead of the PS3. The reason why I said Sony is going to be in trouble is because their going to lose a lot of money. But if this is false, Sony does not have nothing to worry about. So, to all of you Playstation 3 fans, be patient and wait you will get an answer soon.

30 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 19:33
360 fans don't bother coming here telling us to buy a 360 if it was that good i suppose we would all go to the 360, we don't need advertisement. God forbid if Sony goes out like Dreamcast i will stop playing videogames, and i mean it, right now i only see the PS3 in sight, for that matter i don't even need a 360 to shit on.I'm behind Sony all the way and i'm sure we will kill all rumors, expectations, and competions. Long live the PS3, loyalty to the end.

31 - to #5
Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.03.2005 19:34
Kits have gone out to the ps3 developers or else the mgs4 video wouldnt be real. So that does prove that developers are able to tell if the ps3 console is too complicated to develop for. Second, notice that #14 didnt hav a reply to what i said in comment 12.

32 - Samurai never surrender
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 19:49
Sony,PS3,Blu-ray,Cell,Linux,Mac,Firefox...Remember these Words because they RULE! microwhat?? who need them?

33 - Convertion
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 20:02
Long live Sony, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the PS3, is belief in reality.Long live Sony, loyalty to the end.

34 - Japan Forever!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 20:11
i'm going to buy a new ps2 (slim) exactly the day which x-crap toy is launched!
we are loyal like the samurai, we never convert!


35 - # 34
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 20:14
if you didnt realise samurai got slaughtered by new technology looooooong ago. why use a sword when you can have a gun?

36 -
PAUL CERULA 10.03.2005 20:25
Having loyalty to a company, like Sony, is as dumb as being a trusting German citizen during the 1930-40s. Think about let yourself experience new products instead of blindly following Sony because you used their products before. This is more prevalent with Nintendo outcasts.

37 - 360 OWNS POS3!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 20:40
nuff said.

38 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 21:42
LOOK AT NUMBER 36 FOR ENLIGHTENMENT

39 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 22:07
Long live Xbox 360, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the 360, is belief in reality.Long live Xbox 360, loyalty to the end.


40 - To #30
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 22:24
#30, if thats the kind of gamer you are the gaming world would be better off without you. Maybe $ony should stop trying with the revolutionary hardware and sequels and focus on making new revolutionary games. Don't bother saying I am a fanboy either because I am going to get a ps3. I am just gonna wait till it drops in price from $500+ to an affordable price.

41 - Convertion
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 22:38
Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the 360, is belief in reality.Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end.

42 - Oh Boy
Punk Street 10.03.2005 22:56
Sometimes I question if some of you fanboys are really gamers, listening to rumours is only a bunch of BS until an official announcement is stated by game developers or Sony, I'm not going to believe a single word until I hear the truth.

43 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 23:08
#14 you have proved #12's point, have a nice day moron.

44 - 41
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.03.2005 23:17
I am seeing the lighht and it is coming from the xbox 360 direction. It gets brighter as we near NOV. 22. Right now PS3 is a small dark spec in the distance.

45 - NOTICE: IMPORTANT.
The boss of bosses 10.04.2005 02:10
My Fellow PS3 Brothers and Sisters. Do not be afraid and shaken cause of this. Some the developers said they will not make games for the PS3. NOT. As long as all the people who support Playstation2 get a PS3 they will not stop. Game makers need to make a profit on selling their games not a loss. So if there is a large amount of PS3 owners like the PS2 then they will be forced to make games for it.

XBOX FREAKS WITHOUT A CEREBRUM GAMEMAKER DO NOT MAKE GAMES FOR CONSOLE THEY DO IT FOR PROFIT. THEY DO NOT WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THEIR GAMES TO LESS THAN 20% OF THE MARKET. THEY WILL RATHER MAKE THEN FOR REVOLUTION THAN YOU.
THE WISE ONE HAS SPOKEN.


46 - IMPORTANT NOTICE
The boss of bosses 10.04.2005 02:35
My Fellow PS3 Brothers and Sisters. Do not be afraid and shaken cause of this. Some the developers said they will not make games for the PS3. NOT. As long as all the people who support Playstation2 get a PS3 they will not stop. Game makers need to make a profit on selling their games not a loss. So if there is a large amount of PS3 owners like the PS2 then they will be forced to make games for it.

XBOX FREAKS WITHOUT A CEREBRUM GAMEMAKER DO NOT MAKE GAMES FOR CONSOLE THEY DO IT FOR PROFIT. THEY DO NOT WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THEIR GAMES TO LESS THAN 20% OF THE MARKET. THEY WILL RATHER MAKE THEN FOR REVOLUTION THAN YOU.
THE WISE ONE HAS SPOKEN.


47 - Chief Microsoft gamer Bach Talks Xbox 360
Unregistered - Alcholics Anonymous 10.04.2005 03:58
Bach: First, we have some amazing exclusive franchises. We'll have probably the best launch line-up ever. By the time PS3 ships we'll be working on second generation games. In the end this business is about games and we’re going to have a spectacular line-up. Plus, we have a more powerful platform. We can all debate the merits of their hardware approach and our hardware approach. If you just look at hardware they’re about the same. In some places we’re faster, in other places, they’re faster. The platform isn’t just about that. It includes software design that goes into it and the service design that goes into it. Software developers are finding it incredibly easy to use it to design great games. On the Xbox live we're years ahead. The platform is going to be better, the games are going to be better and the on-line services are going to be better.


Enough said !


48 - haha!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 05:39
yeah, great exclusives like PDZ with dreamcast graphics! GOW? with doll like human characters! PGR3? not bad but it'll be crushed by GT5. Halo3?! don't make me laugh! what else? oblivion?COD2?Quake4?ghost recon3? NFS:most wanted? all are available on PC! you have nothing worthy,nothing revolutionary.PS3 is something from the distant future and has abilities that PCs don't.

49 - This article in an OUTRAGE!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 06:06
PS1 owners+PS2 owners=190 million=potential PS3 owners
xbox owners= 20 million=potential xbox360 owners
and you say developers are leaving the playstation camp?! and make games only for a small portion of the gaming community?! and expect us to believe this microsoft-made nonsense crap?!


50 - It's just....
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 06:31
...pre next generation jitters....

I'm sure as they start flying off the shelves, they'll calm down and get to work on the platform with the biggest install base....


51 - Doubtful story...
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 06:56
"Developing software for the PS3 from scratch will require an initial investment of at least 2 billion yen [US $17.6 million] [not including development costs]. There are not many software companies that can easily afford that kind of money."

Does that even make sense for a strategy for a company with a new product in a highly-competitive market? They have to have known they would've priced a lot of companies out of development with that one. I have my doubts as to the authenticity of this one. Also, with the middleware that is being licensed, it's not starting completely from scratch, even though some articles say to "throw away your old code"--that was directed at both multicore machines, not just PS3. And with the PS2 having the difficult hardware to develop for, I think Sony is smarter than doing that twice. And, logically, if the developers are leaving due to his request to not make games that look like the PS2, does that mean they will make they will be making original XBOX-looking games if departing for the 360? I think not...

If it is true, Sony will have really shot itself in the foot (still doubt it).

PS3 fans, hang on. Not everything on the internet is credible (obviously). To the XBOX fanboys, don't even bother. Quit trying to make yourself feel better by trying to convince PS3 fans to buy your console. Your bandwagon approach "everyone's doing it" is just a logical fallacy. If you're so sold on your machine, great. I may even buy one if Sony truly screws the pooch on this one, but again, I doubt it. We'll see when the PS3 launches. I just don't like Bill--so much so I can wait for the PS3-- besides, I see the PS3 as a better machine-- my money, my choice. Either way, I intend to be playing Madden/NCAA football next fall with next-gen graphics on my 60 inch LCD.


52 - 360 rox POS3 sux cox!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 07:52
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

53 - Amen to this, a true ps fan
Unregistered - wotter 10.04.2005 08:09
PS3 fans, hang on. Not everything on the internet is credible (obviously). To the XBOX fanboys, don't even bother. Quit trying to make yourself feel better by trying to convince PS3 fans to buy your console. Your bandwagon approach "everyone's doing it" is just a logical fallacy. If you're so sold on your machine, great. I may even buy one if Sony truly screws the pooch on this one, but again, I doubt it. We'll see when the PS3 launches. I just don't like Bill--so much so I can wait for the PS3-- besides, I see the PS3 as a better machine-- my money, my choice. Either way, I intend to be playing Madden/NCAA football next fall with next-gen graphics on my 60 inch LCD.

54 - To maccdaddy
Unregistered - Samurai 10.04.2005 08:36
listen, about your #12 comment; this article isn't a FACT! this is a stupid rumor with no credible source.you know how huge the sony camp is. MS is the newcomer.sony traditionally has the best and greatest games. this story certainly is not true.about the ageia test;don't you understand the difference?! that story was told by ageia themselves, it wasn't a baseless,unjustified nonsense rumor like this article. then they denied it under MS pressure,it was obvious.i still believe it was right. anyone knows for months now that Cell is good in physics like hell and is much much stronger than xbox cpu if it's power is harnessed. sony is working with other companies like Transmeta to develop the necessary middleware.just wait for the glorious revolutionary Playstation 3 to come out.you will see the new god of the gaming world.

55 - 60" LCD?
Unregistered - Gh0stDrag0n 10.04.2005 08:53
I am really getting sick of all you "mine is bigger/better" dumba$ kids. I haven't seen any HDTV, DLP/LCD/Plasma........ that can really handle the speeds the top of the line Video cards are producing. 1080p is nearly nonexistant and most HDTVs have a 60htz refresh rate. That is only 60 frames per second, piss poor preformance if you ask me. What is the use of having a 60" LCD if it can't handle the next gen systems. Have any "gosting" or "rainbow" problems with your monster tv? All I am trying to say is, the HDTVs of today are not ready for the next gen consoles. DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE BUYING ONE FOR GAMING

SONY loosing game developers, not good! But with the big dogs at sony talking $hit about XBOX360 and Nintendo products, what do you expect. Who wants to develop games for a company that dosn't show any respect for their "enemy"? Sounds to me like the big dog has reached the end of it's leash.
Hopefully Sony will get their $hit together and start concentrating on what really matters.......GAMES make a console, GAMES are what we play, and GAMES are what make the system worth buying.


So far the only next gen console that has shown GAMERS it can deliver is XBOX360. Any TRUE gamer can see this ( a TRUE gamer being someone who plays GAMES and is not a retard fanboy for any system.) I really hope SONY has something spectaclur for us soon, something new and not this rehashed been there/ done that crap. CGI sucks show us something playable. And if you expect us to believe that TGS MGS4 was realtime, bull$hit.


56 - Comment #47 IS THE TRUTH FROM BIG BILL
Unregistered - Alcholics Anonymous 10.04.2005 09:06
Just to recap for any of you PS3 Fony boy loser's who aint listening. Big bill will shoot you all down in flames, by this time next year the sale's of 360 will swamp PS3 at a rate of 3 to 1, only the odd daft yank and small minded jap, who know's no better, will stand by this machine, knowing full well in your heart that if the best they have to offer is GT5 then god help you, as even Forza as poor as it may be in parts is substantially shit loads better in game play and graphics, so comment #48 get you head from up your arse and start saving for the only true winner.

BILL GATES !!!

I love Bill & 360
I love Bill & 360
I love Bill & 360
I love Bill & 360
I love Bill & 360
I love Bill & 360

Ha Ha Ha Ha BILL FOR PRESIDENT !!!!


57 - Sounds like a way to get us gamers to accept even steeper game costs
Unregistered - kdogg 10.04.2005 09:16
Do you honestly think the developer will care about intial investments when you look at the returns they get on these games?

Me wonders if Sony is pushing us again in the direction of, "hey, it'll all be WAY expensive!"

argh....


58 - This is getting no where...
Unregistered - Dude 10.04.2005 09:20
Alright, regardless of EVERY DAMN STATEMENT IN THIS TOPIC, lets just go to the fact:
YOU XBOX PEOPLE GET OUT OF A PLAYSTATION 3 NEWS SITE, I MEAN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING HERE ANYWAYS?

YOU HAVE NO BUISNESS WITH THE PLAYSTATION AND SONY.

GET OUT.


59 - you are a RETARDED Redneck
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 09:24
"I love bill! i love windows! i love the blue screen of death! i love system crashes! i love to pay 300$ for a shit named windows! i like security holes! i love monopoly!"
you are truly a retard if you think all the world is US. , yes,in US it will sell good but other parts of the world is OWNED BY SONY!


60 - #59
Unregistered - Gh0stDrag0n 10.04.2005 09:36
Dude, let me guess......you are using lunix,foxfire,and a mac ( by the way Apple was bailed out by Microsoft)
And it is THE US of A..............DUMBASS.


61 - Who do you think you're talking to #59?!
Unregistered - Dude 10.04.2005 09:45
YOU make utterly NO SENSE at ALL. Are all xbox people like this? Talking like a child, not even noticing your environment? And i DO NOT think this is just US, in Japan, Sony definitely made a hit. AND KUTARAGI IS JAPANESE (well DUH to you xbox ppl who think us ps3 fans only think about US)

I dont even want to continue typing to you immature impulsive infidels as I see no point in this feud.


62 - SONY BABIES
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 09:50
You guys act like this is a damn religion or something. GET A GRIP and quit being so freaked out. If your really a gamer then just buy the best console regardless of who makes it. Quit acting like somone is atacking your family, country, or religion. Get ahold of yourselves! REALIZE ITS JUST A DAMN MACHINE! NOT A FAITH!

63 - Excuse me #61
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 09:51
I was talking to #56. sorry man.

64 -
Unregistered - Anonymous PS3Player killer 10.04.2005 09:51
I will be getting both, so this is all childish to me

65 - to 64
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 09:54
GOOD POST, bunch of little kids screaming that their dad can beat up anyone else's dad.

66 - LOOK HERE YOU X-BOTS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 09:54
http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/130
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd (owners of the Panasonic brand) have established a new technology which will lower the production costs of next generation Blu-Ray discs (BD) to almost the same level as current DVD production costs.....

http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/126
In a recent press release, Sony officials have announced that the company’s tools and middleware licensing program will begin on October 1, 2005.

Tools and middleware companies involved in the development of tools and middleware for Sony’s Playstation 3 platform will be offered the licensing program, as well as technical and marketing support from Sony to assist these companies with product promotion. Sony has released a list of the potential tools and middleware licensees, which reads as follows (in alphabetical order):

Alias Systems
Autodesk
Avid Technology
CRI Middleware
Emergent Game Technologies
Epic Games
Firelight Technologies
Havok
Interactive Data Visualization
Metrowerks Games Team
Pixelux Entertainment
RAD Game Tools
SiliconStudio
Web Technology Corp
Sony seems keen to ensure that the Playstation 3 has a more complete initial set of development tools than the Playstation 2, which many game developers claimed was difficult to program due to a lack of development tools. Sony’s recent acquisition of SN Systems means that it will start providing ProDG development tools to game developers as of October, along with Playstation 3 SDKs. In addition to the ProDG tools, Sony has confirmed that the Ageia PhysX SDK physics library, Unreal Engine 3 engine and Havok Complete XS physics engine will be made available to game developers in October.



67 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 09:55
I look at this site everyday for news on PS3 and can't beleive how people in the comment sections are retarded!!! You have no idea how programming a game is and what it implies.Both systems a RISC base computing none of them re-invented the weel. Bassically you can build a games on the tools already availlable and use the same source code on a different compliler to make it compatible, even bettween different platform (PS3,XBOX even PC). Of course if you want to get the maximum out of a system you must start from scratch and that is where it is expensive. But thoose tools from scratch wont come out until a year or so, just remember the difference in quality of games at launch (PS2 XBOX) of a console and what we see now... And for thoses who dont know how the market goes, software compagnies will pay the initial investment to develop thoses tools, even if the are expensive, because they are going to sell (and get money back on their investment) them to company who dont have the capital to invest in engine development. So bassically this is all bullcrap and if a company doesn't go with one or another platform it is more a political issue then an technicall issue.

68 - @ 55
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 10:03
hey no.55...MGS4 was realtime running of the alpha kits...kojima and his team..manipulated the footage and changing the lighting and shadows etc..in realtime in front of the crowd at TGS...thats know bullshit. many sites confirmed this...GET YA FACTS STRAIGHT MAN!!. its real nuff said.

69 - #61
Unregistered - Gh0stDrag0n 10.04.2005 10:04
Yes I think Sony will MAKE a hit too, if they get their act together.
Learn some grammer......RETARD


70 -
PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 10:09
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND REALIZE THAT KEN DIDN'T CONFIRM IT WASN'T PRE-RENDERED.

71 - SPARTAN OF 777
Unregistered - Gh0stDrag0n 10.04.2005 10:19
Ownage ;P SPARTANS Rule.

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Unregistered - Dave 10.04.2005 10:46
Look guys the fact is sony probably is loosing support from some game developers but wait a year after the playstation 3 release and they will be running away from 360 and joining the Playstation 3 reason because Playstation 3 got a lot more power underneath the bonnet and can produce way better graphics than I have seen 360 produce and that what gamers and game designer better looking all you 360 go and buy it and make bill gates richer but in the long you will be buying the playstation and sony will be king again

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PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 10:46
Sony has always over promised, pre-rendered, and witheld information that would deny their pre-rendering. I bring up what Ken Kootchie didn't and said at the MGS4 trailer. Tell me why wouldn't the most anticipated game for the ps3 be confirmed that it wasn't pre-rendered? Just make consumers assume that it wasn't. The reason is to make ps3 enthusiats to go along like sheep not taking into account Sony's history.

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PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 10:50
This is truly one of the most basic and manipulating marketing strategies. Ps3 withholds important information against pre-rendering to let consumers be none the wiser.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 11:05
Xbox 360's has not released yet so its current installed fan base is 0. PS3 has not released yet so its installed fan base is also 0. PS3 development prices are proving to be a bit higher so some third partys are leaving the console (it makes scence).

#48 hey great post except GT5 will not be competing with PGR3. GT5 has a 2007 release date just like MGS4 and basicly all of PS's money makers. Buy that time PGR4 will be in the making and Forza 2 will be there to battle GT5.

MGS4 was real time there is no denying it but it was not gameplay. It was a real time cinamatic cutsceen which always look better than gameplay.


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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 11:36
Condemned is developed by SEGA, I dont hear any cancellation of Sonic for PS3, this story is bullshit lies spread by M$.

77 - Development Costs
skooby 10.04.2005 11:39

Lets do some math shall we:

$17,000,000 Initial Cost
$10,000,000 Development Cost
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$27,000,000 Cost

Retail Cost per game: $60
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Retailer Cut of 40%: $24
Sony License Fees, Marketing, Distribution: $13.25
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Profit $22.75

Break Even Sales = $27,000,000 / 22.75 = 1,186,813

So... To wrap it up, the only games that will be developed will be those that are guaranteed to sell a million+ copies.

This is only going to be a handfull of titles at best. GTA, MGS4, GT5 are sure things, but that is about all.







78 - to # 77
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 11:42
That means Sega must think Sonic will sell well too then? why not condemned? must be a shit game, thats all I can think of.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 11:51
This is the crapest looking game for PS3 http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/fatalinertia/news_6134648.html
I suppose koei expect to sell over a million copies of this then eh?
The story above is is M$ bullshit.


80 - ok
Unregistered - havoc 10.04.2005 12:03
Basically what Ken is doing is making sure the first batch of games for the ps3 will be spectacular so it may cost more to develope for. So when the ps3 first debuts you will see nothing but great games and then when more developers come in we will start to see dumb games that are a waste of time. Don't expected any half ass games untill 5 months after the ps3 is released. But really where not losing any developers, what was it just one game from sega and somebody assumed that the ps3 is losing developers. If you look at the headline it says "PS3 Losing Support from Developers?" it's a question and the answer is no way in hell but you ms fanboys wish ps3 was losing support.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 12:14
get over yourselves im a ps3 fan and you guys blaming microsoft for ken's apparent error in judgement. The problem is the cell processor not always is the newest technological development the best idea without ample R&D. Sure I like the evolutionary thinking ken has but there comes a point where form must meet function and this error could lead to microsofts slow climb towards the top im not worried that microsoft will outsell or dominate the market but in another 5 years I will be worried.

82 - to # 58
Unregistered - watts 10.04.2005 12:14
ha ha you right what are you ms fanboys doin on this site isn't the 360 about to come out and you worried about ps3. Oh I see, you had strong feelings for sony and you are feelin a bit confused. It's not to late you can switch over to the sony camp if you want, we won't be mad at you we'll understand.

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PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 12:15
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND REALIZE THAT KEN DIDN'T CONFIRM MGS4 WASN'T PRE-RENDERED. Sony has always over promised, pre-rendered, and witheld information that would deny their pre-rendering. I bring up what Ken Kootchie didn't and said at the MGS4 trailer. Tell me why wouldn't the most anticipated game for the ps3 be confirmed that it wasn't pre-rendered? Just make consumers assume that it wasn't. The reason is to make ps3 enthusiats to go along like sheep not taking into account Sony's history. This is truly one of the most basic and manipulating marketing strategies. Ps3 withholds important information against pre-rendering to let consumers be none the wiser.

84 - to samurai
Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.04.2005 12:20
Who are you to say that the playstaion 1,2, or 3 has better games? The only game i am interested in is Mgs4. i have more interest in A LOT more of the games for the xbox 360.Also you just proved my point about Ps3 fans blaming microsoft when something doesnt turn out their way.Plus neither of the consoles true power has been shown and it probably wont until years from now. i do know that the cell has great physics and i know that the ps3 is going to be great for some, but im not denying that like other ps3 fans saying that the xbox 360 will suck.The xbox 360 has a great cpu as well. I doubt that there will be much in terms of graphics and physics that each console cant do. i know that they will be great just stop denying it!

85 - ...
Unregistered - Dude 10.04.2005 12:20
You know, with all the complaints about the "losing support", no game demos shown, "i love bill gates", and flaming ought to stop. I don't think you people know who is on whos side. And let people who actually KNOW some facts post here, like the statistics, although they could be flaw, but its always an assumption to know.
If anyone would like to prove a point, talk about statistics like from #66

"http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/130
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd (owners of the Panasonic brand) have established a new technology which will lower the production costs of next generation Blu-Ray discs (BD) to almost the same level as current DVD production costs.....

http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/126
In a recent press release, Sony officials have announced that the company’s tools and middleware licensing program will begin on October 1, 2005.

Tools and middleware companies involved in the development of tools and middleware for Sony’s Playstation 3 platform will be offered the licensing program, as well as technical and marketing support from Sony to assist these companies with product promotion. Sony has released a list of the potential tools and middleware licensees, which reads as follows (in alphabetical order):

Alias Systems
Autodesk
Avid Technology
CRI Middleware
Emergent Game Technologies
Epic Games
Firelight Technologies
Havok
Interactive Data Visualization
Metrowerks Games Team
Pixelux Entertainment
RAD Game Tools
SiliconStudio
Web Technology Corp
Sony seems keen to ensure that the Playstation 3 has a more complete initial set of development tools than the Playstation 2, which many game developers claimed was difficult to program due to a lack of development tools. Sony’s recent acquisition of SN Systems means that it will start providing ProDG development tools to game developers as of October, along with Playstation 3 SDKs. In addition to the ProDG tools, Sony has confirmed that the Ageia PhysX SDK physics library, Unreal Engine 3 engine and Havok Complete XS physics engine will be made available to game developers in October. "


86 - To 30
Unregistered - The Blob 10.04.2005 12:22
ya right even in the slight chance that sony goes the way of sega you wont stop playing video games and if you did that means your life revolves around sony and you should get a life.

87 - to # 77 another example
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 12:23
Infraworld developed by Quantic dream, I suppose they expect to sell over a million? the game will be shit, so all the stuff about high priced developer kits and developers switching to X360 because of this, is M$ spreading bullshit, otherwise Sega would have completely stopped makeing games for PS3, koei wouldnt realeas such a shit looking game that will hardly sell and I dont see why Quantic dream would want to lose money on its game either.

88 - IT'S OFFICIAL POS3 SUCKS DEAD DONKEYS NUTZ!!
Unregistered - Coward 10.04.2005 12:35
ken "k" has been sent to life imprisonment for fraudulent claims about theoretical performance figures of his under-acheiving playstation home console, codename "SH8" :] in his defence mr "k" said "it was the sony fanboi's spurring me on this one way collision course, i could not avoid it"

89 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 12:42
#88 pull big bill gates cock out from deep down your throat before you talk. If the 360 is so great you shouldn't have to run your mouth about it but go ahead and keep giving that deep throat head.

90 -
xero coo1 10.04.2005 12:45
lol

91 -
Maleficus the Great 10.04.2005 12:51
Dear Spartan 777, please get your facts straight before making an ass out of yourself. Hideo Kojima himself confirmed that the MGS4 video was not prerendered and proved it. You should go back to the XBOX site and not bother us with your retarded ranting about how PS3 is going to crash and burn. Go back to your own site, you fanny boy. People from the PS3 site rarely trespass on your site and talk shit about the 360, which is going to be a great console which you are not worthy of having. So sparty, you can talk shit about the PS3 all you want, but it will still not change the fact that PS3 will probably still have the largest share of the market.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 12:54
Some tools used for PS3 games are also used for X360 games, does that mean X360 tools will be similarly priced? PS3 will use the stangard OpenGL library which is widely used by PC developers, an evaluation copy of the unreal engine will come with the PS3 tools, if developers want to use this they pay to use it. The figures in that article look way too high to me, considering a developer could just use OpenGL software to make games, the article looks like some made up crap.

93 - Jesus Christ
Punk Street 10.04.2005 12:58
Normally I don't want to start anything but some of you Xbox 360 fan boys or whatever you want to be called sound pretty pathetic and immature right now, I know the ps2 broke down for people but the Xbox is no better.

I don't like flaming but the Xbox had its share of problems for people, I found a lot of links but I found a surprising forum on engadget about people having to send it to get fixed for free or using their own Cash to get it fixed.

And some people got a cheap excuse from Microsoft customer service saying that it couldn't be repaired and having to send in cash to get your system repaired and not having it 100% functional pisses people off a lot.

I'm not a fan boy and I don't take sides but if Microsoft made a mistake for some of their console then their no better than what Sony did with their console, so all of you do yourselves a favor and stop debating which console is better.

When a console is made the company has to use a lot of money for parts and electronics to make each and every console fully functional, plus the premium edition pack for the Xbox 360 is $399 plus tax which would come up to $400 something dollars so that’s expensive too.

Even if the system is expensive it's not going to stop people from buying whatever console they want and more people can still buy it later when the price goes down.

Even without a good online service the games on the ps2 were good and some weren't the best but with the new system coming out all these rumors just amount to a bunch of BS if they aren't confirmed by the people themselves.


Heres the link Peace:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/0783457356834323/


94 - ...What Maleficus said...
Unregistered - Dude 10.04.2005 12:59
That should apply to all Xbox people.

95 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 13:00
People are forgetting game developement companies can make their own engines/tools they dont need to buy anything, the article is rubbish, Naughty dog made their own engine alongside Insomniac for PS2, the same can be done on PS3.

96 -
skooby 10.04.2005 13:03
Good comments..
Going back to my comments in #77..

To offset the development costs for the PS3 and XBox360 mulitplatform games are nearly required.


97 - your all pussy's
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 13:07
you all must be 12 years old, dont worry, someday when you balls drop you'll be a fan of something usefull like brunette's, cars, or vacations, maybe even a football team! poor little faggit's too young to begin the training!
All so worried what trillion dollar company will come out on top! what a waste of your fucking time!


98 - To # 96
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 13:28
Infraworld developed by Quantic dream is a PS3 only title, that will hardly sell, I suppose this developer will end up going under knowing they cant sell over a million eh? BTW you need to change your developement cost figures, 10 million is the budget of todays games, Tecmo said next gen X360 games will increase by 20% http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/24/news_6131844.html


99 - AMEN # 97
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 13:31
Well put, exactly what I was thinking! A whole ass load of freakin DORKS on here.

100 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 13:37
Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the 360, is belief in reality.Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 13:40
It is funny reading comments, it is mostly like listenning at blind people talking about what they see...

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Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 14:10
Long live Sony, loyalty to the end as time draws near, the non-believers shall believe again for they will be in disbelief when the box fall and the bomb hits,succumb by shame, they shall return to claim loyalty to Sony, loyalty to the PS3.This is no fairy tale.

103 - to # 77
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 14:14
"Break Even Sales = $27,000,000 / 22.75 = 1,186,813

So... To wrap it up, the only games that will be developed will be those that are guaranteed to sell a million+ copies.

This is only going to be a handfull of titles at best. GTA, MGS4, GT5 are sure things, but that is about all."

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So going by what you say PS3 will only have 3 games, with sequels to those games? rubbish! why was Condemned realy cancelled? is it because the developer couldnt afford to develope for PS3 like the article would like you to believe? Condemned is made by SEGA, Sonic is made by SEGA but will be on PS3. Read this http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000803061082/
The bit in particular is this:
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"Several developers, like John Carmack, have publicly announced a preference for the Xbox 360. But could that number be growing? The recent cancellation of Condemned for the PS3 seems to suggest as much"


104 - Wait few months,theres gonna be more games...
Unregistered - Dude 10.04.2005 14:35
Well, first of all, to the guy who made that comment #102, pick a side if you're going to say the Long live crap.
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Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 01:37
Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the 360, is belief in reality.Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end.
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Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 02:10
Long live Sony, loyalty to the end as time draws near, the non-believers shall believe again for they will be in disbelief when the box fall and the bomb hits,succumb by shame, they shall return to claim loyalty to Sony, loyalty to the PS3.This is no fairy tale.
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And besides, whatever prices are the games, there's gonna be lots of them for all I know. GBA games-29.99, PSP games-39.99, and PS2&Xbox-49.99, is it REALLY a HUGE deal that if the game prices go to 59.99, its SOO expensive?
Its just a 10 dollar more, and if you play A LOT of games, you'd be a no-life.
Second, to the people who thinks everybody making a comment here are childish idiots, you might act this way if someone goes talking about your mama.
Human nature is we won't accept an oppinion that differs then our own. Jeez, just standing up for the marketing. And if most of the Xbox people, correct their grammar, I think we'd BE adults not being [quote #97] "12 years old" and [quote #101] "blind people talking about what they see.."


105 - Sick and Tired
Punk Street 10.04.2005 14:50
#104 right I don't need to let a price tag control which system or games I want to buy, I'm going to do the best thing I ever did in a long time, I'm going to leave the bickering to everyone here that can't grow up and save myself from a headache.

See ya


106 - HAHAHAHAHA #101
Unregistered - The Blob 10.04.2005 14:55
That is the best comment I have ever read I laughed for like 15 minutes man thats awesome.

107 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 14:57
#104 i have a side can't you see that it is some 360 motherfucker trying to copy my comments. My loyalty is to Sony til the very, if Sony is to go out, i would stop playing videogames period. To that 360 fans who's trying to be me, be yourself bitch. Sony, long live the PS3

108 - #103
skooby 10.04.2005 15:12
I wasnt saying that those are the only games... Actually I think that the 17 Million is misquoted or something. This doesn't sound right to me. Its like saying that if you are going to make a movie, you need to have 100 Million dollars. Well that is partially true, but anyone with a belly button can make a movie, but whether or not it will be distributed and sold is another matter.

I think that there are rough roads ahead, as in the past when things went from the PS1 market to the PS2. Many studios were shut down because they couldn't compete. EA thinks that if they can't sell over a million units of something (or more) then it isn't worth doing.

Peronally I want the PS3 to succeed and the X360 if for no other reason to have them push the hell out of their respective systems. Because who wins in this scenario... The consumer WINS! That is what competition is all about.


109 - to 82
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 16:03
no us xboxfans aint worried about ps3
we just come here to laugh at you blind sheep.
simple as that.

ps3=dreamcast mwahahahahaha


110 -
Dragon 10.04.2005 16:04
i say fuck all fan boys no one is any good tho this information is bad news for xsony at the same time they had it comming and i don't give a funcking fuck because i will get all 3 consoles anyway..gtfo or stfu because im really starting to get mad at all bull shit from noth parties of both xbox and ps fanboys i hope both of u 2 rot in hell because most of u fanboys don't make any sense or any impact more than aggrivated to us hardcore gamers.

111 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 17:03
Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end as time draws near, the non-believers shall believe again for they will be in disbelief when the PS3 fall and the bomb hits,succumb by shame, they shall return to claim loyalty to Microsoft, loyalty to the 360.This is no fairy tale.

112 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 17:18
#110 couldn't of said it better myself all fanboys are, are people who are afraid of change embrace sony, microsoft, and nintendo. the sad thing is if any company is worthy of fanboys its NINTENDO they started this console gaming back in the 80's. but either way i to will own all three ALL THREE COMPANIES WILL GET MY MONEY.

113 -
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.04.2005 17:32
Can't there be peace between PS3 and Xbox 360 fans??

114 - Everybody grow the Fuck up!!!!
Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 10.04.2005 17:41
Everybody needs to grow the fuck up. Both of these consoles will be great and if Sony does lose some developers that doesn't really matter. The reason why it doesn't matter is because fans like all of you will support PS3 no matter what the problem is. The Playstation 3 will still have alot of developers and the games will be great so stop getting all upset about it.

115 - Number 111
PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 17:54
#111 your not clever for acting as a xbox fan who's an idiot. You can even see in the print above your comment that is says ps3fan or something. You need to come up with something more constructive than being a douche bag and making false posts. Sony fanboys are far more dedicated to the brand label Sony than anyone but Revolution fans.

116 - to 109
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 18:04
wtf? dreamcast died coz it was a weak console,something like PS1,5.so wtf you're saying.if anything will be like dreamcast,it's xb360.stfhu with your shitty comments ,microsoft whores.

117 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 18:05
yes there can be peace between ps3 fannies and xbox360 fannies, but its the people who have already gone through puberty that can look past the machines and labels. The ones who attack each side with hardly any factual basis are the kiddies who love nothing more than to piss everyone off, because the truth is they wouldn't talk to people like that to their face, and if they did they might have the taste smacked clear off.

118 - HAHA...#111 is a joke
Unregistered - Samurai 10.04.2005 18:15
MS even can't dream of having such dedicated fans like sony.stop stealing others names you clown.

119 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 18:37
IGNORANCE IS BLISS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CLAIM TO BE DEDICATED OR LOYAL TO A COMPANY. ARE YOU ON ANY OF THESE COMPANIES PAYROLL. MOST LIKELY NOT. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WILL OWN ALL 3 CONSOLES WHY? BECAUSE I'M A GAMER EACH SYSTEM HAS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO BRING TO THE TABLE. PEOPLE YOU BUY THESE SYSTEMS TO PLAY GAMES RIGHT? THEN WHO REALLY GIVES A FLYING F*CK ABOUT WHAT SYSTEM IT IS IF ITS A GOOD GAME THEN I WILL WANT TO PLAY IT. FACTS: SONY HAS SHITTY GAMES AND GREAT GAMES, XBOX HAS SHITTY GAMES AND GREAT GAMES, NINTENDO HAS SHITTY GAMES AND GREAT GAMES. EVERYONE GET A GRIP NOW IF YOU ARE EARNING A LIVING FROM ONE OF THESE COMPANIES THEN OF COURSE SHOW YOUR LOYALTY OTHERWISE YOU ALL ARE MISSING OUT ON GREAT GAMES ALL THE SYSTEMS WILL HAVE TO OFFER.

120 - Bad translation
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 19:00
This article was not translated properly. Basically, Sony is demanding that all PS3 games "look" next generation. This is causing developers to spend more money on development to meet Sony's standards. However, developers are worried that if the PS3 is set at too high a price, they won't sell as many consoles as hoped. In turn, developers who are spending more money than expected on development would not sell enough software to compensate.

121 - To # 120
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 19:07
I agree, the article was translated wrong and taken out of context.

122 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 19:30
Your mom's translated out of text

123 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 19:37
Yep, defenate translation error. US $17.6 million is how much next gen games for PS3 will cost to develope, Sony are holding off on a price for PS3 untill the last minuite, they have to price the system right otherwise alot of developers will die, if the system doesnt sell well due to its high price tag, smaller developers risk going bankrupt. Devkits cost around $30k each so for a 100 man developement team each haveing his own devkit, that would be MainNewsBlogCom,000,000 not $17,000,000 like tha article has you believe.

124 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 19:40
MainNewsNlog was supposed to say 3 million, dont know who changed that?

125 - BLAME KEN
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 19:43
IF THIS STORY IS TRUE.
THEN BLAME PRESDIENT KEN OF SONY.
HE IS CHASEING GAME MAKERS AWAY FROM THE PS3.
BUT THE PS3 DONT NEED THESE PISS ASS DEVS THAT MAKE HALF BAKED
GAMES . SO SNOY SHOULD TELL THEM SEE YA


126 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 20:17
20 people worked on the MGS series for PS2, if a small team like that can make a decent game, I dont see what all the fuss is about, yes Sony expect developers to make games to the value of at least $17.6 million a game and if little dev teams cant make a decent game to make a profit, then good riddens.
Devkit $30k x 20 people = $600,000 for konami's devkits mor MGS4 cos I believe Hideo Kojima said he had no need to increase his team, its the same 20 people who worked on MGS for PS1.


127 - To # 120
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 20:41
I agree, I also know M$ arent asking for the same standards from developers, meaning some games wont look true next gen cos of crappy developers not wanting to spend heaps of cash to make a true next gen game for PS3, they would prefere to make a shit looking game for less on X360.

128 - How petty we all are......
Unregistered - Ares 10.04.2005 20:46
Alright we all seem to think after Xbox 360 and PS3 the microsoft/Sony war will be over. Wake the hell up these arne't two game developing companies going at it ( Dreamcast Vs. N64 ). These are 2 entertainment power houses who surely won't give up until the PS4 and Xbox720 err... whatever! So to any xbox/sony fanboy who says either company will fall beneath the other ur in for a long wait

129 - GO PS3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unregistered - MEGAXGOHAN@AOL.COM 10.04.2005 20:58
LOTALTY TO PLAYATATION FOREVER.GO SONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

130 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 20:59
loyalty

131 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 20:59
not lotaly

132 - GO PS3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unregistered - MEGAXGOHAN@AOL.COM 10.04.2005 21:00
LOYALTY TO PLAYATATION FOREVER.GO SONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

133 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 21:10
zeezzzzz!!!!!Look how PS2 fanboys speak!!they´re already talking tottaly non-sense..it´s incredible.Boy, they really are desperates.well, no comments.......................

134 - POS3 BLOWS CHUNKS!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 21:11
uh huh!!

135 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 21:43
Until the companies said so and Ken says "it's true that the PS3 is losing developpers." I'm sticking to my belief that this article is pure bullshit just like the 360. I can't wait for next year Sony will make the MS fans regret everything they ever said about the PS3 and most of all regret that they bought a a 360, tell me who the fuck in his right mind would buy a 360, except than a retarted playing Halo motherfucker all day long. I don't see the power for the 360 or whatever the fuck they call it. All i see is a bunch of graphics that looks like doll, MS has the technology but they are giving you less, Sony has the technology to give you realistic looking games and Sony is delivering, so fuck the 360 and the whole motherfucking Microsoft crew.

136 - PS3 to look like a true next gen system!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 22:29
From what people have said, it looks like Sony are trying to push out all the rubish developers, so that PS3 only has the best games, this could mean, no more going to a retailer to buy a game only to find its a pile of shite when you play it. Developers are being forced to make good games or take your rubish elsewhere. PS1 and PS2 had good and bad games, Sony are wanting true next gen titles for PS3, not low budget crap they are trying to push next gen, to merge games with films, thats why they showed spiderman film merged with Gran turismo at E3, GT5 will look so real it will be unbelieveable and will easily make a profit. MGS4 looked good to say it had only been in developement 3-4 months, snakes face looks more realistic than the cartoon looking charecters in Gears of war for X360, the amount of debris in MGS4 was amazing how the wind blew dust and other stuff accross the screen looked pretty realistic. GTA will be another top game that will easily make money. Another title I think will easy make money is Motorstorm, I cant wait to play this. Formular One by SCE looks very realistic too, I couldnt believe the amount of detail in this. The first person shooter by Insomnic looks good and will sell well.... I could go on forever, no doubt Naughty Dog will make something amazing, theres alot of top games coming to PS3, I prefere top games to low budget games priced at the same price as top games, Sony do right to get rid of these developers.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 23:02
# 35 you say that Sony has the power and is delivering, and I ask you for the proof? Where is this power? Where are these amazing miraculous games? There are n't any so stop making a fool of yourself. All we have seen is smoke and mirrors and you are a dumb fuck for blindly believing.

138 - to # 136
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 23:07
Your argument essentially says that Sony wants to make less royalties by getting rid of more developers, simply absurd. No matter how crappy the games are it is in Sony's best interest to have as many games on their system as possible, crappy or not. All you PS3 fan boys have is faith in something that is non-existant. You make arguments that Sony is this dream system and that the proof is out to back you up when in reality you have nothing, just hope. Please do yourselves a favor and open your eyes to reality.

139 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 23:21
# 138 your forgetting about all the new developers for PS3, in with the good out with the trash.

140 - FUCK THE 360 PS3 WILL KICK ITS ASS ONCE AGAIN!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 23:34
Lets have a look at what top 3rd party developers had to say about PS3, read this -> http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_2.htm

141 - PS3 will kill Xbox 1.5
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.04.2005 23:41
Here's a list of developers in Japan that will be supporting PS3:

Acc System Works
BB (Fighting)
Ertrain

Undecided (Action)
Artdink

Bipedal Movement Simulation (Sim)
Aquanote's Holiday -Inner Mind Adventure- (Adventure)
Idea Factory

Generation of Chaos VI (Strategy RPG)
Eidos Interactive

Original Action Game (Action)
Irem Soft.

Untitled Action Adventure (Action Adventure)
Aquaewire

New Era Action (Action Adventure)
Astroll

Seikan (Adventure)
Atari

Alone in the Dark series (Action Adventure)
Stuntman series (Racing)
Driver series (Racing)
Athena

Pro Mahjong Final (Puzzle)
Atlus

Shin Megami Tensei series (RPG)
Interchannel

Original Love Adventure (Adventure)
SNK Playmore

King of Fighters Maximum Impact 3 (Fighting)
Mto

Active Dogs (Sports)
Electronic Arts

Fight Night (Sports)
Entertainment Soft.

New Action Game (Action)
Enterbrain

Derby Stallion (Sim)
Music House

Train Simulation Online
Gust

New RPG (RPG)
Capcom

Action Game (Action)
Devil May Cry 4 (Action)
Resident Evil 5 (Adventure)
Cavia

New Action RPG (Action RPG)
GoodNavigate

Mystery Adventure (Adventure)
Global A. Entertainment

Comical Historic Action (Action)

Comical Historic Simulation (Simulation)
Genki

Racing Game Series (Racing)
Japanese Sword Fighting Series (Fighting)
Koei Ni-Oh (Action)

Fatal Inertia (Racing)
Bladestorm (Action)
Mahjong Tournament (Puzzle)
Konami

Gradius Series (Shooting)
Soccer Game (Sports)
Jikkyou Powerful Baseball Series (Sports)
New Action Game (Action)
New RPG (RPG)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Action)
CyberFront

Simulation Game A (Sim)
Simulation Game B (Sim)
Puzzle Game (Puzzle)
Success Untitled RPG (RPG)

Sheep Village (Sim)
Sunrise Interactive

Sunrise Hero Chronicle Series (Strategy RPG)
Cyber Formula Series (Racing)
Square Enix

Final Fantasy Series (RPG)
Spike

Way of the Samurai 3 (Fighting)
Sega

Fifth Phantom Saga (Action)
Sonic the Hedgehog (Action)
Sony Computer Entertainment

Angel Rings (RPG)
Gran Turismo Series (Racing)
Genji 2 (Action)
The Eye of Judgment (Undecided)
Hot Shots Golf 5 (Sports)
Monster Carnival (Action RPG)
Taito

Extreme (Action)
Project Psychic (Action)
Takuyo Entertainment

Akari Project (Action RPG)
Master Project
D3 Publisher

Dark Sector (Sim/Action)
Untitled Fighting Game (Fighting)
Tecmo

Untitled Action Game (Action)
Untitled Action Adventure (Action Adventure)
Datam Polystar

Original Adventure Game (Adventure)
Digital Gain

Nagsarto Plan (Adventure)
Dosaru

Slot Mania (Sim)
Now Production

New Method Action Game (Action)
Namco

New RPG (RPG)
Untitled Fighting Game (Fighting)
Untitled Shooting Game (Shooting)
Untitled Sports Game (Sports)
Nippon Ichi

Makai Wars (Strategy RPG) Huckberry
Pachinko Jikki Sim Series (Simulation)
Hudson

Original RPG (RPG)
Bomberman (Action)
Rengoku: The End of the Century (Action RPG)
Hamster

Management Simulation (Sim)
Bandai

Anime-based Project (Undecided)
Mobile Suit Gundam (Action)
Robot Action Game (Action)
Banpresto

Super Robot Wars Series (Undecided)
From Software

Armored Core 4 (Action)
Dark RPG (RPG)
Black Blade (Action)
Marvelous Intreactive

New Action Game (Action)
Michael Soft

Project D (RPG)
Mainichi Communications

World Champion Chess (Puzzle)
Mangolia

Value 2000 Go (Puzzle)
Value 2000 Chess (Puzzle)
Strongest in the Universe, Go 7 (Puzzle)
Marionette

War Strategy RPG (Strategy RPG)
Media Works

New Experience Adventure (Adventure)
Yamasa Entertainment

Yamasa DigiWorld DX (Sim)
Yukes

Pro Wrestling (Sports)
Ubisoft

Project: Assassins (Action Adventure)
Brothers in Arms 3 (First Person Shooter)
Warabe

Mahjong King (Puzzle)

http://opm.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3144009


142 -
PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 23:54
DISSAPOINTED or EXCITED....it doesn't matter. If you think of the MGS4 trailer whether is authentic or not, it doesn't matter. Think of how much xbox 360 games are going to exponentially improve by that point when the PS3 comes out. THIS IS NOT WHAT XBOX 360 CONSUMERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE. MGS4 graphics will either be beaten or surpassed in time for the PS3, don't worry. So MGS4 fanboys you can have fun crawling around on realistic HD mud and twigs, Halo will continue to lead the fps's from xbox to next gen xbox 360. Whether you like halo or not your games for ps3 and nintendo will not surpass Game of the Year Halo 2 on live. Halo revolutionised fps's so shut up about your games and humble your opinions and think before you blurt something biased. We'll see what Halo 3 has to offer when MGS4 comes out with PS3.

143 - X360 SUX BALLS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 00:19
# 142 I didnt see any amazing leeps in graphics on the Xbox, what makes X360 so special? PGR3 is the best graphics you'll see on X360, Halo 2 was shit, loads of people hated the game, why would they want Halo 3? anyway enjoy playing your Xbox 1.5, PS3 is the start of the true next gen systems, fuck wasteing money on the 360, I'd rather spend the money on a PC upgrade.

144 -
PAUL CERULA 10.05.2005 00:24
Yah a ton of people hated halo 2 but most of the people who played it liked, so shut up and leave your biased opinions to yourself.

145 - Will everyone stop this nonsense!!!!
Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 10.05.2005 00:30
Look, the Xbox 360 is going to be great and so will Playstation 3. People need to get off this shit about the Xbox 360 is going to kill the PS3 and the PS3 is going to kill the Xbox 360. Both of the Consoles are powerful and they are going to be great. If the Playstation 3 loses developers it won't hurt them much. Like the guy said up top they've got developers still backing them and they should be O.K. But I'm sick and tired of hiring this childish comments about the Xbox 360 and the PS3, GROW UP and stop acting like little children. Both of these consoles are giving us (gamers) what we want and that's games. So, stop acting like children and be happy about what all of us will be getting in November 22, 2005 and In spring of 2006.

146 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 00:31
Look why are we fighting a war that should be fought by the companies. Honestly wether you like it or not both companies existing help out all gamers. Without the PS2 would xbox be making a new console yet and the same is vice versa. In the end this competition is between the two companies (or three is you count Nintendo) lets just sit back and reap the benifits of have TWO awsome consoles to play. I am going to buy both and I hope that both rock. Oh you PS fanboys and xbox fanboys should either grow up or just stop posting on each others sites. I go to both and see people getting mad when someone flames the xbox but then comes here and flames the PS3. And the PS3 guys do the same. Grow up this a time to celebrate not hate. Peace I'm out

147 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 00:39
To #140 how old is that article i couldnt find a date and the only clue is it talking about how Sony will showcase the PS3 at E3 in May. Hmmmmm lets see no gameplay footage still just little pipedream commercials. And if u didnt know its October that article is probally from April so show me something better than that. At leaste your not ignorant enough to say that if Sony quit making games i would never play again WTF i think thats the most ignorant comment i have ever read. So fanboys keep staring at your George Foreman grills and pretending while your playing subpar games all winter. If Grill Station comes out this spring i will be shocked.

148 - to # 142
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 01:03
You better hope that 360 games will look as good as the ps3's when it comes out, cause when I see a 360 game I don't see any thing spectacular. Wait till the big ps3 comes out it's gonna be a scary day for microsoft.

149 - TO #146
Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 10.05.2005 01:13
I'm glad someone is mature and not acting like a little child. People need to realise that both of these consoles are giving us gamers everything we can possiably dream of (except a supermodel in our beds butt-ass naked just waiting to be fucked :-)). The Playstation 3 will deliver great games and that should matter to all gamers and not this bullshit about wish console is better than the other. Also, don't forget about Nintendo because their doing something that both of these consoles aren't doing. All of these systems (if you don't know their Revolution, Xbox 360, and Playstation 3) has something unique about them, so be happy and get them all because all of them will be great as hell.

150 -
PAUL CERULA 10.05.2005 01:16
I partially agree with the anti-debate talk you guys say but your like hippies complaining about the vietnam war. Nothing will happen as a result of your posts.

151 - to # 97 & # 99
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 02:22
These stupid ass kids havn't even figured out what pussie is yet. no wonder they
all cry about ps3 vs. 360, what a bunch of dick swallowin Dorks!


152 - to 151
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 02:25
they are consomed with this shit, they dont even notice how fuckin gay they are, its actually hillarious, bunch of vasoline shareholders they are!

153 - HAHAAHAHAHA
Unregistered - PS3 is going to suck 10.05.2005 03:27
PS3 fanboys u know that everything is gone from PS3 they have been going down hill ever since E3. I can imagine that XBOX 360 and the REVOLUTION are going to be the leaders this time biatches.....

154 - KUTARAGI LOOKS LIKE A KOMODO DRAGON!!!
Unregistered - PS3 GAYLORD 10.05.2005 07:31
WOOT HE WILL HAVE YOUR FUCKIN LEG OFF IF YOUR NOT CAREFULL, SO EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU XBOTS, I LOVE SONY I WANT TO MARRY "K" AND BE HIS BITCH LA LA LA LA LA, SONY IST THE BESTEST WOOT WOOT LEET, IM THE SONY GAYLORD, SING WITH ME SONY GAYBOYS "SONY SONY WE ARE NOT FONY LIKE OLD MONY GATES" KILLZONE WAS REAL BTW MY UNCLES MATE SAID SO, PS3 10 MILLION TIMES BETTERER THAN XFLOP 1.5 PGR3 I HAD BETTER GAMES ON MY ATARI 2600 PIT STOP OH YEAH!!!!!!!

155 -
Unregistered - Bobby-Jo Fat-Ass 10.05.2005 08:04
...of course the 360 will have a lot of developer support - a lot of the games will be XNA/DirectX PC ports. Hardly 'next gen'...

156 - T0 SPARTEN
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 08:34
The only reason Halo 1 did well was because the game was so hyped. There are (Doom 3 is no way better on Xbox than its PC version, alot of cutbacks had to be made for the Xbox version, Half Life 2, farcry doesnt have the same tecture quality as PC. I played Halo on PC with better graphics and more mods, but the game was still a average game, very repetative with all the envioroment looking the same, Halo 2 was worse as a single player, only multi[layer made sold the game more with many dissaticfied customers who bought the game the game half was half decent but lacked many things. Take your stupid Xbox bias somewhere else, this is a PS3 message board, if Xbox is so god damn good, what you doing here, slagging Sony and PS3? the rest of the games are shit thats why so you have to go to all PS sites just for enjoyment, FUCK OFF to you ASS fucking friends at M$ that will even sell their ASS's just to get you to Buy the crappy X360, Like I said A PC upgrad is worth getting more than 360 and just wait for PS3, I can run most games on PC, and still play PS3 exclusive content, plus MY PC does more than the shit wx 360, M$ can stick their x360 where the sun dont shine?

157 - OMFGZ
Unregistered - Dragon flames 10.05.2005 08:40
has anyone thought that if ps3 it too technical and developers are moving to xbox360 then the ps3 actually IS better. They are moving because xbox360 is simpler. They dun hab to worry about getting the graphics so good n wateva. Well wateva cause wateva games left will kick ass

158 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 08:41
I really don't see how level headed people can post at these sites anymore, it's way too hectic and irritating. "OMFG, WTF, YOU HOMO," etc. Just ridiculous.

159 - To #157
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 09:45
#157, you make no sense. Just because its harder to develop for wouldn't mean its better. It just means some companies don't feel like spending the extra money on it. It also may mean that the tools sony has developed aren't as good as Microsofts. Don't label me a fanboy either because I am getting sick of people calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a fanboy.

160 - ~116
Unregistered - Anony mouse 10.05.2005 09:55
oooh get you
the dreamcast wasnt like ps1.5 it was more powerfull than the ps2
soulcalibur on that stilllooks better than any thing than the ps2 can do, so shut it.
and to the idiot saying he would rather give up gaming the good riddance ,your loss is my gain.
and to all the dicks calling the 360 xbox 1.5 , just tell me how did you come up with that . cos looking at the specs of the macine it dont look like xbox 1.5 to me. and in some areas ism better than the ps3 as the "supposed specs" of the ps3 are better than the 360 in some areas.
to the tit who said gran turisimo5 will look real... real what??? looklike a real...elephant, monkey, err banana ??? what do you mean by real . and how do you know it will look realistic have you seen/played it ???.
and we all know that metal gear wont look like that when its made. i remember the trailer for metal gear 1,2,and 3 then i played the games they looked nothing like the "real time in game "trailer. so please calm the feck down

and some tit also said something like (and i parra phrae) "all ive seen the 360 do is make graphics that look like doll" WHAT THE FECK DOES THAT MEAN YOU MORON "that look like doll" what a compleate dick!!!
what do you think xbox owners were playing b4 they got them ??? probably ps2 i know i did. and b4 that were you all playing super famicoms or megadrives ???
if nintendo hadnt have fucked up it would be called the nintendo playstation (sony designed ps1 for nintendo) but they didnt like the idea of cd being used for game data. the leader of the console crown keeps moving from company to company . it cant stay with sony.

any one remeber the saturn , for its time its chipset was wayahead of its time....thats what killed it to comlplicated to code for , so the developers switched to the ps1. so if and i stress if the ps3 is difficult to code for and developers are switching to 360... could history repeate its self??? (it has a nasy habit of doing that.)


161 - To #149
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 10:16
*****All of these systems (if you don't know their Revolution, Xbox 360, and Playstation 3) has something unique about them, so be happy and get them all because all of them will be great as hell. ******

What is this Unique thing X-Box 360 is Bring Again???? I must have missed it...


162 - Unique
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 10:28
What is the unique thing the ps3 is bringing to the next gen?

163 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 11:12
Blu-Ray Disc, New type GFX Chips & Cell and don't say they arn't because I don't see any other product with them on the market yet.

360 has nothing that we havn't already seen used before, just some upgrades.


164 - Video card is crap
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 11:17
Uh the video card isn't exactly unique. Its just a beefed up version of Nvidias 7800. The ati card in the 360 is more unique with its programmable pipelines. You got me on the cell but I am getting sick of hearing about blu-ray. It has more storage space. Wow. That totally changes gaming. Instead of 2 discs I only have one.

165 - not so crappy as you think.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 11:30
The XBOX uses a custom ATI processor with 48 graphics pipelines and the PS3 has a custom NVIDA graphics processor with an estimated 24 pipelines. The numbers are misleading because the PS3 piplines are more powerful than the XBOX pipelines. In the end the two different graphics processors will deliver about the same amount of power

166 - Xenon vs. Cell
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 11:45
Xenon vs. Cell
The first public game demo on the PlayStation 3 was Epic Games’ Unreal Engine 3 at Sony’s PS3 press conference. Tim Sweeney, the founder and UE3 father of Epic, performed the demo and helped shed some light on how multi-threading can work on the PlayStation 3.

According to Tim, a lot of things aren’t appropriate for SPE acceleration in UE3, mainly high-level game logic, artificial intelligence and scripting. But he adds that “Fortunately these comprise a small percentage of total CPU time on a traditional single-threaded architecture, so dedicating the CPU to those tasks is appropriate, while the SPE's and GPU do their thing."

So what does Tim Sweeney see the SPEs being used for in UE3? "With UE3, our focus on SPE acceleration is on physics, animation updates, particle systems, sound; a few other areas are possible but require more experimentation."

Tim’s view on the PPE/SPE split in Cell is far more balanced than most we’ve encountered. There are many who see the SPEs as utterly useless for executing anything (we’ll get to why in a moment), while there are others who have been talking about doing far too much on SPEs where the general purpose PPE would do much better.

For the most part, the areas that UE3 uses the Cell’s SPEs for are fairly believable. For example, sound processing makes a lot of sense for the SPEs given their rather specialized architecture aimed at streaming tasks. But the one curious item is the focus on using SPEs to accelerate physics calculations, especially given how branch heavy physics calculations generally are.

Collision detection is a big part of what is commonly referred to as “game physics.” As the name implies, collision detection simply refers to the game engine determining when two objects collide. Without collision detection, bullets would never hit your opponents and your character would be able to walk through walls, cars, etc... among other things.

One method of implementing collision detection in a game is through the use of a Binary Search Partitioning (BSP) tree. BSP trees are created by organizing lists of polygons into a binary tree. The structure of the tree itself doesn’t matter to this discussion, but the important thing to keep in mind is that to traverse a BSP tree in order to test for a collision between some object and a polygon in the tree you have to perform a lot of comparisons. You first traverse the tree finding to find the polygon you want to test for a collision against. Then you have to perform a number of checks to see whether a collision has occurred between the object you’re comparing and the polygon itself. This process involves a lot of conditional branching, code which likes to be run on a high performance OoO core with a very good branch predictor.

Unfortunately, the SPEs have no branch prediction, so BSP tree traversal will tie up an SPE for quite a bit of time while not performing very well as each branch condition has to be evaluated before execution can continue. However it is possible to structure collision detection for execution on the SPEs, but it would require a different approach to the collision detection algorithms than what would be normally implemented on a PC or Xbox 360.

We’re still working on providing examples of how it is actually done, but it’s tough getting access to detailed information at this stage given that a number of NDAs are still in place involving Cell development for the PS3. Regardless of how it is done, obviously the Epic team found the SPEs to be a good match for their physics code, if structured properly, meaning that the Cell processor isn’t just one general purpose core with 7 others that go unused.

In fact, if properly structured and coded for SPE acceleration, physics code could very well run faster on the PlayStation 3 than on the Xbox 360 thanks to the more specialized nature of the SPE hardware. Not to mention that physics acceleration is particularly parallelizable, making it a perfect match for an array of 7 SPEs.

Microsoft has referred to the Cell’s array of SPEs as a bunch of DSPs useless to game developers. The fact that the next installment of the Unreal engine will be using the Cell’s SPEs for physics, animation updates, particle systems as well as audio processing means that Microsoft’s definition is a bit off. While not all developers will follow in Epic’s footsteps, those that wish to remain competitive and get good performance out of the PS3 will have to.

The bottom line is that Sony would not foolishly spend over 75% of their CPU die budget on SPEs to use them for nothing more than fancy DSPs. Architecting a game engine around Cell and optimizing for SPE acceleration will take more effort than developing for the Xbox 360 or PC, but it can be done. The question then becomes, will developers do it?

In Johan’s Quest for More Processing Power series he looked at the developmental limitations of multi-threading, especially as they applied to games. The end result is that multi-threaded game development takes between 2 and 3 times longer than conventional single-threaded game development, to add additional time in order to restructure elements of your engine to get better performance on the PS3 isn’t going to make the transition any easier on developers.



167 - final words
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 12:02
The transition to multi-threaded development alone will increase development time 2 or 3 fold. Not to mention that the approach to architecting game engines will differ whether you are porting to the Xbox 360 or the PlayStation 3. The Xbox 360 is clearly going to be the easier of the two to develop for once a game engine is multi-threaded, just because of the general purpose nature of its hardware. That being said, it won’t be impossible to get the same level of performance out of the PS3, it will just take more work. In fact, specialized hardware can be significantly faster than general purpose hardware at certain tasks, giving the PS3 the potential to outperform the Xbox 360 in CPU tasks. It has yet to be seen how much work is required to truly exploit that potential however, and it will definitely be a while before we can truly answer that question.

Cell’s on-die memory controller is a blessing for game performance; it most definitely will keep the PPE fed far better than the Xbox 360’s external memory controller. Even the cache size advantage of the 360 won’t be able to offset the reduction in memory latency thanks to an on-die memory controller.

The on-die memory controller is not all an advantage however, a big part of its inclusion is out of necessity. Remembering back to our discussion about the SPEs as being in-order with no cache, threads run on these processors only have access to 256KB of local memory, which is reasonable for a cache, but not much in the way of memory. So these SPEs will depend on having low latency access to memory in order to keep their pipeline filled and actually contribute any useful performance to the system.

At the end of day 1, when running mostly single threaded code, the performance difference from a CPU standpoint between the Xbox 360’s Xenon and the PS3’s Cell processor is basically a wash. The 360 has more cache, while the Cell has a lower latency path to main memory. In the end, the first generation or two of games will mainly be a GPU battle between the two consoles, and both will offer significant improvements over what we have with current consoles.

Graphics-wise the 360’s Xenos GPU and the PS3’s RSX are fairly different in implementation, but may end up being very similar in performance. Treating Xenos as a 24-pipe R420, it could be quite competitive with a 24-pipe RSX despite a lower clock speed. The unified shader architecture of the Xenos GPU will offer an advantage in the majority of games today where we aren’t very geometry limited. The free 4X AA support offered by Xenos is also extremely useful in a console, especially when hooked up to a large TV.

If the PS3’s RSX isn’t much more than a higher clocked G70 then at least we have a good idea of its performance. NVIDIA has mentioned that by the time the RSX launches we will have a faster GPU on the PC, which leads us to believe that the performance advantages of the RSX are mostly clock speed related. At 550MHz, the RSX GPU should have no problems handling both 720p and 1080p resolutions, although the latter won’t be possible in all games, mainly those that are more texture bandwidth bound. We do think it was a mistake for Microsoft not to support 1080p, even if only supported by a handful of games/developers. At the same time, by not imposing strict AA implementation regulations like Microsoft, Sony does open themselves up to having some PS3 games plagued by jaggies despite the power of the console. Given the amount of power in both of these consoles, we truly hope that their introduction will mark the end of aliasing in console games, but some how we have a feeling it won’t. Aliasing has plagued console games for too long for it to just disappear, that has to be too good to be true.



168 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 12:09
GPU wise I think ATI has the upper hand, but those kind of articles you're posting aren't really of much use to the consumer until both consoles are out. If you google a bit, you'll see opinions of leading developers (Carmack, Cliffy B) stating the one thing, while others (Ken, Lewis) will state the almost exact opposite.

So even though most of the article seems to be based on fact, it still should be taken with a grain of salt.


169 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 12:10
By the way, Bluray and HD-DVD are def. NOT unique :-)

170 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 12:13
Actually, there is one thing we can learn from the articles I mentioned, and ones like these. I seriously doubt there will be anything more than minor differences between the power of the two upcoming consoles of MS and Sony, which I for one think is a good thing. The one seems to be able to have an easier time with graphics and shadows, the other with AI and physics. But even those differences will be so minute, I doubt anyone will really notice.

It comes down to the games you like, and if you're willing or better said, lucky enough to be able to buy both (maybe all 3 while you're at) consoles.


171 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 12:18
video games and consoles are for kids ages 8-17 years old if your older and still playing them get a life and grow up losers

172 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 12:26
LoL, how would you even know such a thing? As you sound like a 12 year old, I doubt you're in the position to make such a statement.

173 - To #164
Unregistered - samurai 10.05.2005 12:29
you really don't know what you're talking about. the xbox gpu is ready and done but the ps3 gpu(RSX) is still under development and we know very little about it. it will certainly be stronger than xbox gpu. as we know their polygon performance(xenos:500 million,RSX:800 million).in addition, the RSX can give two 1080p outputs against one 1080i that xenos gives.
about the blu-ray: it's not just about size, it is about the data streaming. a 4x bd-rom streams much more data than 12x dvd-rom and this affects the games seriously.now about the news features the consoles offer:
Sony PS3:the revolutionary "Cell,Blu-ray,XDR-DRAM@3.2 GHZ" ,1080p support,mouse and keyboard support for games not just text,legendary sequels,monsterous performance that PCs can't dream of for years to come.
Nintendo Revolution:the revolutionary controllers, legendary sequels,low price,takes a small space.
Xbox360:you could only call it's GPU revolutionary but it doesn't affect the performance(subpar or onpar at best)to the RSX,other parts are evolutionary.halo!??!,and nothing else!


174 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 12:38
#173, you also have little idea what you're talking about, and you're obviously completely biased. So why even react to posts like the one you're indicating.

How obvious is it?
Well...mainly because of comments like:

"will certainly be stronger than xbox gpu,"
"the RSX can give two 1080p outputs against one 1080i that xenos gives."
"a 4x bd-rom"
"monsterous performance that PCs can't dream of for years to come."
",low price,"
" it doesn't affect the performance(subpar or onpar at best)to the RSX,"

Look how many BS and uneducated comments you make that you either have no way of knowing, let alone proving, or have no meaning in performance in such a short post! I'm sorry, but you just seem too biased to be putting down other people's opinions on the X360 or PS3.


175 - TO #171
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 12:43
GO GET A LIFE YOU ASSHOLE!!! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS IF WE LOVE VIDEOGAMES.

176 - HEY
Unregistered - MICROSONY 10.05.2005 12:47
What if in 2012 microsoft and sony got together to make a super console. Nah that will never happen.


177 - psp
Unregistered - havoc 10.05.2005 12:52
Who is getting a psp soon? GTA liberty city stories is comming out soon and will have multiplayer online with up to 6 players. You can go any where in the city and the graphics are as good as the ps2's.

178 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 12:54
#175 you just proved his or her point way to go JACKASS!

179 - Eh?
Maleficus the Great 10.05.2005 12:57
#154 really needs to get a grip.

180 - to vivicious
Unregistered - samurai 10.05.2005 13:34
come on, what i said isn't BS. you can find these info on any website. how does he know that rsx is just a beefed up 7800?

181 - to 160
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.05.2005 13:50
..this is a pretty shi#%y statement really.look at the specs of PS2 and DC ,dude..that's just silly..

and Saturn died not because it was 'advanced' but coz it was merely half-assed to program for than PS1,and no one wanted to mess with it.besides,Sega lost lots of money on their add-ons like 32X and Mega-cd,and they just couldnt keep up with a giant like Sony,Sega merely was a smaller company...

i agree that the console leader changed and will change,hahaha but not to MS XXX box ,i assure you.games are not Windows OS..


182 - For god's sakes
Unregistered - - 10.05.2005 14:24
There hasn't been a whole lot of official info about the PS3 - just wait a couple of months when it is almost completely finished in January during Sony's big conference! You can't prove or disprove a lot of the things you are arguing about right now. Also; get off the damn site you fukcing 360 fans. Go back to your own forums and whine to yourselves. You can't say stuff like "XBOX 360 IS TEH PWNZOOR AND PS3 IS SUCK!!!" You can't even say that? First off how much do you even know about the PS3? Just shut up, calm down, and wait until more info is released.

183 - Heh all of u PS3 doubters are gonna cry.......
Unregistered - Ultimate PS3 Fan 10.05.2005 14:24
I already know the truth...................This is only going to get microsoft too confident.....i mean come on....it's coming out next month on the 22th of November....and then x box 360's weakness will be revealed. THEN the ULTIMATE SYSTEM will RISE! Play Station 3! I still believe in Sony. I've ALREADY seen EVERYTHING and trust me! PS3 will take over the GLOBE of gaming!

184 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 14:44
every one here is smoking crack literally

185 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 14:48
#180, Oh I def. don't agree with him either, don't get me wrong. :P

186 - #183
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 14:57
I would like to know what the 360s weakness is.

187 - Now i don´t have a doubt!!!!!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 15:18
In a few days I told that I didn´t know wich one to buy.x360 or ps3?...well i gotta say!!!x360 is showing what the hell it´s made off in XO5.If this tragic news in ps3 continues and x360 news jut keep getting better and better...xeeezzzz a guy gotta look at the facts!!!!!!!I really am learning to respect x360 each day passes on...

188 - I guess I was wrong.........
Unregistered - PS3 Fanatic 10.05.2005 15:58
Ken Kurugi was trying to control the market with the PS3. It was wrong of him to expect developers to program for the Cell chip off bat. Developement cost and time would soar, and their would be unlikely chanes of see profits. Since the Xbox 360 is easier to program for it makes since game companies to develope for the Xbox360. Plus the fact that they can produce games at a lower cost by not having to use Blue Ray disc that are more expesive. It doesnt make sense to buy a PiS3 when you can get the same prefomace out of an Xbox360. Ken needs to learn to be more humble towards his consumers, because he will soon learn that we will not be forced to pay over extreme price for what seems to be pretty graphics. Ken you cant control the maket!

MAKE MINE 360!


189 - To #188
Unregistered - Samurai 10.05.2005 16:08
we will see who the master is. go and enjoy your box. you'll regret what you said when the power machine comes in 2006! GO SONY!!GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

190 - SonyDreamcast...
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 16:24
Looks like the PlayStation 3 is going to be the next Sega Dreamcast.

Happy days for the Xbox team!


191 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 16:28
Sony is in over there head you don't fix what is not broken and when you try to you end up with dreamcast

192 - To #190
Unregistered - PS3 Fanatic 10.05.2005 16:33
Don't refer to it as SonyDreamcast agian!

For it is NeoGeo3!


193 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 16:36
SONY PS3 WILL BE THE NEXT SEGA DREAMCAST

194 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 16:55
lets ake this simple for all of you out there "LETS WAIT AND SEE!"

No matter how much you wine and complain the PS3 is still months away and just like how the 360 did by adding more things before the final system was finished. So will the ps3 they have plenty of time to add and make even more improvments over what they have now. they can do that with x-box 360 it's finished they really can't add anything to the system. PS3 can because it's not finished...


195 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.05.2005 17:03
Until the companies said so and Ken says "it's true that the PS3 is losing developpers." I'm sticking to my belief that this article is pure bullshit just like the PS3. I can't wait for November MS will make the Sony fans regret everything they ever said about the 360 and most of all regret that they bought a a PS3, tell me who the phuck in his right mind would buy a PS3, except than a retarted playing GT4 mother-phucker all day long. I don't see the power for the PS3 or whatever the phuck they call it. All i see is a bunch of graphics that looks like doll, Sony has the technology but they are giving you less, MS has the technology to give you realistic looking games and MS is delivering, so phuck the PS3 and the whole mother-phucking Sony crew.

196 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 17:05
your right they can add more stuff to the ps3 more hi-tech equipment that will cost consumers more money than they are worth thus the posibility of a demise of ps3. EX: Plasma tvs when first came out overpriced, still a little overpriced, but if sony wants to wait until 09 to bring this system out they might have a chance due to cheaper costs of the components they plan on using.

197 - To #195
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 17:55
AHHHHH,Mr.identity thief is back in business. i have an advice for you:don't make yourself tierd because no one gives a damn about the nonsense you post. your behavior only shows a bad image from the xbox fans and implies that they are total idiots. go and start saving your money for x-flop 1.5 so you can enjoy it. good boy...

198 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 17:59
yeah its funny you would think if you just going to piss people off you would not make it obvious your using someones name ps3 player but ranting about the xbox dee dee dee he or she is what carlos mencia would give a dee dee dee award to.

199 - ps3 swallows
Unregistered - yourallfags 10.05.2005 19:46
they all suck cum outa my d i c k you fags, go get a girlfriend you ubber
nerds,


200 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 19:55
AHHHHHHHH, REVOLUTION FANS ARE NERDS AND ENJOY BEING CONSIDERED OUTCASTS AND UNIQUE

201 - whatever ^^^^
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 20:12
are you sensitive too! :P

202 - Who are you???
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.05.2005 20:37
Man i'm getting tired of you copying everything i say, why me man, tell me, is it becasue what i say hurt you in some way, if you think you got the balls to go toe to toe with me, please respond to this comment.I'm begging you man, come out and stop hiding behind my name.Why do you wanna be me for? Talk to me like a man, prove that you're not a pusssy when it omes to adversity.

203 - BE QUIET OR I SHALL SMITE THEE!!!!!
Unregistered - GOD 10.05.2005 20:46
IT IS TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO SILENCE THEIR WORDHOLES, GOD IS SPEAKING SO LISTEN UP, PS3 & X360 WILL BOTH BE MIGHTY MACHINES, EACH WITH THEIR OWN WONDERFULL GAMES TO PLAY AND ENJOY. SO JUST CHILL OUT MOFO'S OR I'LL HAVE TO BUST A CAP IN YO ASS!!!!

204 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 23:03
two words [better sofrware]


205 - # 204 SINNER!!!
Unregistered - GOD 10.05.2005 23:15
RIGHT YOU'VE GONE AND DONE IT NOW FOOL, REPENT OR BE BANISHED TO THE FIERY PITS OF HELL FOR ETERNITY, NON-BELIEVER!!!!!!!!!

206 - They said the PS2 would be hard to develop for but look at her now
Unregistered - andy 10.06.2005 00:12
Remenber all the years ago when they said the emotion engine would be hard to develop for, well look at it now, there is very little differnce in PS2 and xbox games with the xbox having better resolution. The xbox might be more powerful than the PS2 but playstation have always been the innovator when it comes to games and xbox can only look foward to having games that have been copied from PS2 games or some watered down pc game which would be better to play on a pc. So I wouldn't worry to much, PS3 are releasing 3 new game engines for developers this month including the unreal-3 engine so don't worry the PS3 will still be the superior machine and it won't let the playstation faithful down.

207 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 00:32
Hey 360 nerds, read this. http://theconsolewars.blogspot.com/2005_05_22_theconsolewars_archive.html

208 - 207
Unregistered - resfan 10.06.2005 00:52
u dumbshit look at the date on that... here read this
http://theconsolewars.blogspot.com/2005/10/analysts-predict-xbox-360-will-beat.html


209 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 01:51
PS3 = Sheep like Consumers, narrow minded, and a bad image for gamers. Go ahead be an idiot and spout off with curse words but that still doesn't change the fact that your an idiot proving nothing but your insecurity and bad upbringing.

210 - HAIL TO SONY!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 06:45
PLAYSTATION FOREVER!

211 - HAIL TO SONY! PLAYSTATION FOREVER!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 06:48
beat it you X-bot vermins! you'll be crushed the new gaming god is born!

212 - hardware matters
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.06.2005 08:13
Look hardware matters this lays out the foundations for devolpers it shows its
graphical muscle what your hardware can do ie next gen why pay £300 for something thats a extension to what you got(360)forget the stingy devolpers gaming keeps on Evolving if not we will still be playing the NES.

for £300 quid i want a console that can play MGS4 and FFVII TECH DEMO NOT PERFECT DARK ZERO OR FFXI

next gen gaming is about hardware and games sony has won the hardware battle and has a vast game catalouge


213 - #212
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 08:21
#212, You don't know that the 360 can't handle the MGS4 demo.

214 -
Unregistered - who really cares 10.06.2005 09:32
First, this article is of course just a rumor but could be true. It is unlikely even if it is true that the PS3 is difficult to develop for that many developers are leaving, Sony's consumer base is just too large. Though it is conceivable that some are.

Number 12, your arguments clearly show strong bias towards Sony. Of course hardware matters, the problem is that your argument is only relevant if there is a clear superiority between one console and another. Using MGS4 which is a trailer/cutscene, whatever, and comparing that to actual gameplay makes no sense. Even if the comparison was apples to apples the true winner will only be evident late in the consoles life spans and after developers have done their best with both systems. Every single non biased source with any credibility has stated that the difference between these two consoles is a wash. In fact no one is even sure who has the best graphics, AI, etc. Some give one console the edge in an area than another gives that same edge to the other console. The point is that if one was trully superior than we should be able to get some idea who that would be even at this point in development. Even if the PS3 has the edge in power it will be so small as to make it irrelevant in the next generation, at least not until the very end of the console's life.

Your arguments for the PS3's superiority are all based on promises by Sony that they are infamous for not keeping. Don't make a fool out of yourself and believe anything until you see it, especially from Sony. For all you know in an effort to keep costs down they might cut down the power of their console considerably in order to promote blue ray. They, just like MS, only care about how much money you give them. I will bet that history will repeat itself, after all the hype has died down we will all be a little dissapointed that we didn't get quite what was promised but will get over it and enjoy the games.


215 - Need help
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 09:43
Hi everyone
I just won an XBOX360 with Pepsi on www.befirsttoplay.com and I am wondering the best way to use it: to hold my window open this summer while i play PS3 or as a cup holder to hold my coffee to keep me awaiken all night playing PS3.
Please Advise


216 -
PAUL CERULA 10.06.2005 10:00
Yah you guys can wait till 2007 for MGS4, while xbox 360 people who realize that the ps3 and xbox 360 is very close in performance can enjoy good games on the 360. The lineup may not look that good with some games but trust me the games will deninately get better really fast in a few months after delivery. Don't think ps3 is far surperior -- don't be a narrowminded and biased sony fan and consider the other perspective on gaming from microsoft.

217 - # 215
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 10:50
i say kep it in the closet, so when your POS3 breaks down you can still play next-gen games :]

218 - 214 u could be wrong
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.06.2005 10:56
Playstation 2 showed what it can do with MGS2 so why say sony are lieing
you are wrong

sony may have lied a few times but it did deliver a great games console

compare the difference in MGS1 & MGS2 you see clearly a next gen difference
so why say MGS3 is fake why bring out a console based on lies dosent make sense

you think that its lies because sony showed what microsoft couldnt clear
next gen graphics


219 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:00
Tech Cost goes down after short times moron. If sony adds more stuff to the PS3 the cost of that part will be less then it is now, I mean you can buy a brand new system today with everything state of the art and in two days it's second rate. I mean everyone know that this happens, MS is scared that if they would have waited to come out the same time or around the same time as PS3 that they would fail. So they are giving you this second rate system now and when the ps3 comes out with better more advanced stuff it's going to be to late for you. I rather wait a little while longer to get something that has had more time to be worked on and know is good then something rushed hopeing it's just as good.

220 -
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.06.2005 11:05

SONY are Liars and MICROSOFT isnt i dont get it

how can sony be biased when on e3 they showed there specs compared to XBOX 360

I dont think thats being biased its the simple truth told to millions of people


221 - # 219
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:07
M$ has been working on 360 since the first BOX came out, so how is that rushed, if anything PS3 is rushed because it was meant to be a 10 year life for the PS2 and how long has it been?

222 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:08
#219 are you a moron? the 360 was in development a year after the first xbox came out. So it was not rushed and slapped together, what no one realizes is the ps3 will be theoretically more powerful. This doesn't mean it will though it is up to the game developers that decide how far they want to push the envelope. And if this article is true that ps3 is losing support by developers then all the power it can potentially have will not be utilized. Therefore making your argument a load of crap. This would also classify the ps3 as a second rate machine as you say the xbox 360 is. BEFORE ANYONE RUNS OFF AT THE MOUTH CALLING ME AN XBOX FANBOY BLOW IT OUT YOUR A**. IM A VIDEO GAME FAN NOT A CONSOLE FAN I LIKE ALL THREE. I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THE NON-VALIDITY OF THIS CLOWNS ARGUMENT.

223 - teraflops
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:12
didnt PS2 have a theoretical 80 million gflops or summit just as crazy when the xbox only had 6 million, which was the better machine then........ yes youre right xbox was, so all these magical numbers "k" speaks of are pure crap.

224 - 219 & 218
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:13

you are definetly right two people who know the games industry
remember the dreamcast it had a whole year on ps2 but didnt even pose a threat
RIP i loved that console.

everybody knows XBOX360 is rushed its scared of the giant
xbox had 2 years of advance technology compared to PS2 but no major difference
sony now knows it has a bit of competition and is fireing on all cylinders with
THE MIGHTY PS3


225 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:34
SONY A GIANT OR DO YOU MEAN MIDGET?

226 - Midget or Giant
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:43
Aren't japanese people smaller than westerners. Wouldn't that make Microsoft the giant.

227 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.06.2005 11:47
Before the 360 fans open their motuh the first thing they say is "Sony has a record of over promising and under delivering" I finally found this line in an article. It was said by a 360 executive comparing the 360 to the PS3. What track record are they talking about? Last time i checked the PS1 has sold over 100 million units, the PS2 has sold more than 90 million while the Xbox has sold only 20.1 million units. This proves how microsoft will lie to their fan to make them buy the 360. And for you who have hopes that the 360 will win in America are clueless and blind The PS2 outsold the xbox by 20 million in N.America (PS2 36.8 million compared to 16.1 million Xbox). Your so clueless that some of you think that the 360 will outsell the PS3 in Japan. I mean what the hell, Xbox barely sold 10000 in Japan compared to 21.2 million PS2 sold in Japan.So keep dreaming 360 fans, Enjoy your much anticip[ated 360 this winter, because the cvalry will arrive in Spring 2006, hands down to Sony.

228 - To #218
Unregistered - who really cares 10.06.2005 11:48
PS3 has shown what it can do? Really, how? We don't even have a finished console. Why didn't they show actuall game play of MGS4? Exactly, they have demonstrated nothing other than how effective their hype machine is and how gullible their fans, finger pointing at you, for believing them. How can you continue to lap up all the bull crap as fact when Sony has a history of under delivering. Do you really believe that a console that is releasing 6 monthsish after the 360 is going to be dramatically superiour when they are essentially coming from the same generation. Please spare me the cell processor hype. Until it is proven to me that cell is amazing, it is nothing more than just another CPU that was never intended to be specifically designed for gaming. It will probably do a fine job of rendering games on the PS3 but it is no miracle technology, and will most likely not be developer friendly. As a result the playing field will most likely be equal from a hardware standpoint. If you disagree please show me at least two articles written by people who are non biased and qualified to make a comparison who give the PS3 a clear advantage. I have searched high and low and they all say the same thing, that the systems are a wash.So do us all a favor next time you talk about proof please give us apples to apples comparisons and not this bullshit MGS4 trailer/cut scene to ACTUAL xbox360 game play.

229 - to # 227
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 11:57
What you meant to say was that the cavalry will arrive in Japan in the spring of 06 and most likely will arrive in the US/Europe in the fall of 06.

By the way no one is contending with you that MS lies to their consumers, the difference, which will probably escape you, is that we are actually seeing verifiable game content from MS, playable games, actual hardware, etc., while from the Sony camp all there is promises and hype videos. So, if all you have are promises and they are proven to be liars then you can't have an effective argument built on a shaky track record. When you have proof than we can forget their track record but until then please do make statements that have nothing to back them other than "promises". Jeeez, what is so difficult about this concept?


230 - Doom 3 goes 'Super' for PS3
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 12:14
Doom 3 goes 'Super' for PS3


In a recent magazine interview, Carmack discussed the future of the Doom franchise. It seems that that Doom 4 may be farmed out to a third-party developer as has been the case with Raven Games taking on Quake IV.

Another interesting titbit comes regarding next-gen console plans. Carmack has made no secret he prefers Xbox 360 to PlayStation 3, but he sees a future for Doom on the Sony machine.

"One idea we've been sort of tossing around that is just a random idea is possibly doing some kind of super edition of the Doom 3 stuff for the PS3," he said. "It's something that we'd kind of like to do."

Source: Game Informer


231 -
skooby 10.06.2005 12:15
For Pete’s sakes... Someone post some more news...

This subject has been beat to death, stabbed, choked, poisoned, clawed, and slid down a 50 foot razor blade into a pool of alcohol...


232 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 12:26
relax skooby and get some skooby snacks

233 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.06.2005 12:30
You have no idea you 360 fans, basically what you're saying is that "the PS3 won't hve that much advantage over the 360" Keep asking for gameplay as if 1 year before E3 Microsoft showed gameplay of the 360, how thoughtful of you guys. I have played and owned every Metal Gear Solid games, and one thing you can be sure of is that there's no difference between gameplay and cutscenes. So yes i will say that MGS4 was real time, and by fact you know that the 360 cannot run the graphics of MGS4 or DMC4 or Killzone, or Getaway. Like i said i and many million of PSfans don't see that shaky record that you 360 fans are talking about, please tell me what it is or otherwise keep swallowing wind. And for the guy who said that the cavalry will arrive in Japan in Spring and in the US in Fall, is that an argument, Sony has always come out in Japan first, and to your big surprise what if that was to change anything can happen, would you then be kind to shut up for me. Keep dreaming about that 360, because that dream is sure to be short. With the PS3, the graphics look real, with the 360 the graphics look like an updated graphic chip of the Xbox. Enjoy your 360 this winter, the cavalry like i said will arrive in Spring 2006.

234 - # 233 chump, both machines will be great.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:02
and SKOOBY there aint no new news for PS3 coz there's nuthin goin on.

235 - Question for SONY fans, no flaming plz.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:09
which machine had better GFX this gen. PS2 or XBOX?

236 - Dumbass #233
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:17
#233, how is it a fact that the 360 can not run MGS4 or DMC4 or Killzone. We don't even know if the ps3 can run killzone. Shut your hold until you have playable demos to use as examples.

237 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:17
Check and compare the specs at
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/076/076467p1.html


238 - to 230
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:23
wowie doom 3 on ps3, you compleate and utter tit
doom 3 has been on the xbox for about 6 months.
not alot to shout about is it, the ps3 getting a game from the original xbox
thaaaaats very next gen isnt it?? (no)
just goes to prove ps owners dont think.


239 - # 237
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:23
i know the specs of each machine, im just asking from a sony fans point of view which is better PS2 or XBOX?

240 - #239
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:29
Unfortunatly I must say XBOX

241 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:30
the 360 can run mgs4 and killzone , HOW ,i hear you all ask .....
because the are just movies (cgi or prerenderd) ITS NOT ACTUAL GAME FOOTAGE
jeez you bunch of morons . i say once again ITS NOT ACTUAL GAME FOOTAGE.
are you getting the message yet...no ...here goes for the hard of hearing.....ITS NOT ACTUAL GAME FOOTAGE.


242 - # 240
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:34
thank you for not being an ass like everyone else here. so there you have it XBOX has better gfx, but you still play PS2, so the debate about 360 and PS3's gfx is pointless, its the games that make the system, so if like me you like M variety of games xbox is for you, if you like SONY games then that is for you, can everyone stop being childish and just choose what is best for your gaming needs.

243 - #241
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:36
Like all the demo we have seen from XBOX360 were also all pre-rendered not actual gaming footage, dont be fool, this is a conspiracy, Ken and Bill are slepping together!!!
Get real man!


244 - to # 233
Unregistered - who really cares 10.06.2005 13:38
Hmmmmm if the PS3 is really releasing in the spring that is only 6 months away, MS showed actual gameplay at E3 which was 6 months from their launch. So why didn't Sony do the same at TGS which is 6 months from their launch? Most people would disagree that the previous MGS game's cutscenes and game play were the same. My comment about release dates in Japan and US were corrections and not news. Your argument is based entirely on hype demos that prove absolutely nothing. Now if MGS4 had shown actual game play then your argument might actually be worth paying attention to, but since there is no proof and since anyone with any credibility states that the systems are a wash we are right back where we started. Please, for that last time give me evidence that is worth something and not speculation. Heck, give me speculation just not from you but from someone credible. Until that time your arguments are groundless and demonstrate nothing more than gullibility and blind fanboyism

245 - #241
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:45
Wait and you get this info from where again? Oh wait the basement of your parents house.....by what clicking the link next to your favorite porn sites....I see...(not) Get a life man you expect us to believe you telling us that it's not Real Time over the Company that's makeing the sh!t? Yeah that makes a lot of sence. (not) If you think that anyone here IS GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU! Think again your an idiot with no proof nothing to back up what you said and just wasted my time and everyone elses by being here. Now go back to your 360 site and wank off to pictures of your Halo dream boy.



246 - READ THIS
Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.06.2005 13:48
The xbox 360 will not out sell the Ps3. The XbOX 360 only appeals to americans an europeans. The ps3 is a well oiled machine. Look at the specs and u will agree. No xbox fan can say the ps3 games look trashy because first we haven't seen any real gameplay footage from the ps3. Secondly the xbox 360 gameplay footage looks like a pentium 4 processor with a ati graphics card. All we can do is look at the specs and clearly the ps3 has the edge.I haven't forgotten about the revolution. I know in the back of every ps3 and xbox fan the are thinking about what the revolution will do. Nintendo is finished if they dont
keep up with the big boys. The gameboy can't bail them out this time because of the rise of the psp. When it's all over the ps3 will be on top and in 5 years microsoft will try again to knock sony off the mountain and fail AGAIN.


247 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.06.2005 13:49
I love it when the 360 fans think they are intelectual. Shut the f*** up and listen, can a DVD player play a videocasette, can a VCR play a DVD? i think we all know the answer to these questions. I forgot for you 360 fans the answer is Nooooooooooo, do you gey it, one more time it's impossible. So here it is the 360 canot run the games of the PS3, whether they are pre-rended, CG, realtime, gameplay, period the 360 is like the videocasette. So when a game is developped for the PS3, they will have to downgrade it so it can be played on the 360. So when you 360 fans got these i don't know thoughts stay in an xbox forum because only 3rd grade imbeciles like you will fall for it, don't come here, do you see the name it says PS3today, what part don't you understand? Let Sony and his people in peace, thank you. Enjoy the much anticipated constipated 360 this winter, i'll wait for the Cavalry in Spring 2006.

248 - i messed up on the sentence
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 13:51
you know what i mean-

249 - # 246 the XBOX specs are much better than PS2 did that make a difference.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 14:01
# 247 ports from PS2 to XBOX are better on the XBOX does it bother you that youre playing a version of the same game with worse gfx, example GTA:SA winner xbox, Splinter Cell winner xbox, PES4 winner xbox, you see you prefer to play on PS2 when gfx are inferior so why are you saying this now, just because PS3 is RUMOURED to be slightly better than 360. XBOX is BETTER than PS2 fact, but you still claim PS2 is better because youre a fanboy, so your opinion is biased, naturally you will say SONY is better, but the fact is they are the same game with slighty improved visuals.

250 - READ THIS
Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.06.2005 14:06
I HAVE A PS2 AND IT WORKS JUST FINE. THE XBOX HAD BETTER GRAPHICS BUT TERRIBLE GAMES. JUST THINK IF THE PS2 HAD BETTER GRAPHICS THAN THE XBOX, SONY WOULD HAVE HAVE HAD AT LEAST 5 MILLION MORE CONSOLES SOLD COMPARED TO NOW. LETS JUMP INTO THE FUTURE- THE PS3 WILL HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS,GAMES, AND GAMEPLAY THAN THE REVO AND 360. THAT MEANS MORE SALES THAN THE XBOX 360 AND REVO. I DONT KNOW IF WE'LL SEE ANOTHER CONSOLE SELLING 100 MILLION (PS1); BECAUSE OF THE RISE IN PRICES OF HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, AND ACCESSORIES.MY ESTIMATE- PS3 (65 MIL) XBOX 360 (30 MIL)
REVO (20 MIL) OVER 5 YEARS.


251 - to # 247
Unregistered - who really cares 10.06.2005 14:08
With illogical arguments like that you would do PS3 fans a favor and stay off this site.

252 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 14:11
the xbox 360 has way better games this time around. True that is what hurt xbox the first time was lack of good quality games. for us SONY fans this is now a thorn in my ass because hate or love it microsoft has started to get their sh*t together.

253 - # 252
Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.06.2005 14:15
Don't say that s##t man. the xbox 360's games suc compared to what the ps3 will have come april 06'.

254 -
Unregistered - Anonymous ps3 hater 10.06.2005 14:21
hey u all know what ps3 stands 4 well if u dont it stands for peice of sh*t 3

255 - I just wanna say.....
Unregistered - Billy-Jo Fat Ass 10.06.2005 14:23



Cunt.

Thankyou.


256 - boooo ya
Unregistered - Anonymous ps3 h8er 10.06.2005 14:27
hey u all know what ps3 stands 4 well if u dont it stands for peice of sh*t 3

257 - Boo ya What for?
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 14:48
It took you 20.....well maybe not you 20 secs more around a day to come up with that kinda thinking.

SuX-Box 360 wow that's so hard to make fun of a name. I see why you do it....wait no I don't because it's POINTLESS! Man you teenage brats that think since you have the internet your so smart because you get to see boobies on the net. You kids are just starting stuff to get people fired up and just trying to see how many people will argue with you. GROW THE FUK UP!


258 - It's like this
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.06.2005 14:56
Microsoft ain't sh*t,as a matter of fact last time i checked Sony was running these streets, man i don't even need a 360 to sh*t on, the PS3 is so strong, it's like diamonds shinnin under 10 suns. PS3 you know the name, the numba 1 stunna , leave all of ya wondering ans shivering like it's winter. PS3 is like a thermo nuclear warhead, ready to explode and oblitarte every 360 fans into the ages. Look it's Mr Billgates he got 40 billion dollars, oh can i suck your d*ck. No you 360 fans must be g*y or somethin, get a hold of his d*ck.

259 - to 247
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 15:02
you compleate tit head i never said the 360 could run the "code" of the mgs4 and killzone i said it could create "graphics" like that because they are a prerender
do you know what prerender means you fcukwit it means its pre- rendered ie not done on the fly ie not realtime. so whats the point of all that dvd vcr sh1t???
i am saying if konami has a 360 dev kit they could get it to play a prerender like the mgs4 "trailer"
and to the others get real the 360 graphics dont look like they are running on a freekin p4. god what a set of looosers . gears of war , pgr3 , kameo, condemend, cod2, ghost recon 3, quake 4, the list goes on will be here within 2 months
so i wont wait around i will be getting a 360 . so you lot can do what the feck you want , wait around for your mgs4 i dont care cos metal gear is sh1t (my opinion) and no flashy trailer will ever make me like it, end of


260 - Don't quite your day job
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 15:02
Wow #258, that was pretty bad. I don't even have to make fun of $ony fanboys after that post. Maybe its good that you just stick to $ony. That way I don't have to put up with your lame rap, if thats what you want to call, on xbox live.

261 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 15:19
PS3 PLAYER YOU HAVE GOT TO BE THE BIGGEST WASTE OF SPERM IN THE WORLD. GET A CLUE OR DO I HAVE TO BILL ENGVALL YOU AND TELL YOU HERE'S YOUR SIGN. FIRST OFF THE PS3 IS CURRENTLY A PROTOTYPE SO HYPE SOMETHIN THAT DOESN'T EXIST IS SHOWING OFF THE DOWNS SYNDROME YOU HAVE. SECONDLY, WHAT A PISS POOR ATTEMPT AT RAPPING STFU CLOWN. THIRDLY, WHEN YOUR PRECIOUS PS3 FINALLY GETS PRODUCED THEN YOU CAN START FLAMIN XBOX 360, UNTIL THEN YOU SOUND LIKE DUMBEST PERSON ON THIS PLANET. FOR THE RECORD I WILL OWN A 360, A PS3 WHEN IT FINALLY COMES OUT, AND A REVOLUTION. I USUALLY FIND IT AMUSING LISTENING TO ALL THE KIDDIES CALL EACH OTHER HOMOS FOR LIKING ONE SYSTEM OVER THE OTHER. SERIOUSLY GROW UP WHO CARES WHAT SYSTEM YOU LIKE EVERY PERSON HAS THEIR OWN TASTES AND TYPES OF GAMES THEY LIKE TO PLAY. THE FUNNIEST CRAP IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU CALLING EVERYONE WHO WANTS A 360 AN IDIOT. WHY BECAUSE YOU LIKE SONY BETTER THATS COOL BUT DON'T FLAME SOMEBODY UNLESS THEY ARE RANTING LIKE YOU DO. IF THE ARGUMENT HAS GROUNDS THEN RESPECT THEIR DAMN OPINIONS.

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Unregistered - DeadlyFire 10.06.2005 15:26
I don't understand why Japanese companies are going to X360, although I don't care much about Japanese RPGs, I do like a few though, such as Metal Gear Solid. Nice to know that the large companies are still around like Konami, and Square-Enix. I know EA will be a multi-platform contender with next-gen. consoles. Capcom will be as well with Resident Evil 5, and Devil May Cry 4. X-box didn't have as many developers as the PS2, yet they got so many fans. The same is likely to happen to the PS3 this time with less developers, but more interest in their games. Only X-box|X360 game series I like is Halo, and the most of the games coming to the X360 are all PC games ported to the X360. At least, most of PS3's Lineup will consist of more original games. Some will be on X360 like Resident Evil 4, maybe DOOM and KOTOR III and some won't like Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Gran Turismo 5, a few others, and next GTA is possibly a PS3 only title not said official, yet.

263 - 360 fans go to a xbox site
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.06.2005 15:30

MGS4 ISNT PRE-RENDERED SOURCE FROM MR KOJIMA

YOUR SOURCE FROM O YEAH NO WHERE

SO SHUT UP AND DO ANTHOR 360 BECAUSE YOUR DAZED AND CONFUSED


264 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 16:03
MUST BE G*Y SEQUEL 4! ENOUGH SAID! BUNG!

265 - sony fanboi's
Unregistered - Coward 10.06.2005 16:27
if FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 looks exactly the same on BOTH consoles, why are you all so "PS3 rox 360 sux" they are BOTH the same, i suppose it's just the mentality of a sony fanboi.

266 - If tables we're turned around
Unregistered - Scythe 10.06.2005 16:37
I can bet that if it was the other way around and the PS3 was coming out next month instead of the 360 allthe 360 lovers would be saying everything the PS3 lovers are saying.

They would be telling us that PS3 is just scaried and that they want to get ahead start on 360 and that they are coming out with cheap products because that they are coming out so early compared to everyone else.

It's true deny all you want but if it was like that I know it would be that way.

Or if the Revolution was coming out first it would be the same thing that nintendo is trying to get out ahead of everyone to suck up as much of the market as they can. It's all in the POV of whoevers side your on. I say Sony is the side I'm on. I have had my PS2 since day 1 and it's never given me a single bit of trouble and my PS1 is the same way. I use MS Software in my computer, and it's faluty enough the last thing I want is a Console that needs and update every 2 weeks. J/K btw

PS3 will be slightly better the the 360 that's a Given, but the 360 will have it's foot in the door and already throwing it's sales pitch before Sony can ring the door bell. But Sony knows how to sweet talk and make the sale and give the consumer pretty much what they want.

So lets just see when both machines are out and it's a no hold bar fight for the top. That's when you can compare and rant and fight about which is better.


267 - Sony to start gathering PS3 middleware
Unregistered - Scythe 10.06.2005 16:53
Sony to start gathering PS3 middleware

Date posted: 04 October 2005 | Views: 5120 | Print Page



Sony Computer Entertainment announced at the end of last month that they have completed their acquisition of SN systems, the developer of the middleware called ProDG Tools. The announcement comes at an important time when Playstation 3 beta development kits will start shipping out in mass numbers, as described in detail at the PS3 meeting held in Japan couple of months ago.

Furthermore, Sony started a licensing program at the beginning of October. Middleware companies interested in providing development software for Playstation 3 will be offered Sony's full technical and marketing support for their offering when they sign-up for this program.

The already confirmed development tools available for PS3 are the following. (In no particular order)

1) Avid Technology
2) Epic Games
3) RAD Game Tools
4) Havok Technologies
5) CRI Middleware
6) Autodesk
7) Emergent Technologies
8) Firelight Technologies
9) Interactive Data Visualization
10) Silicon Studio
11) Metroworks Team
12) Web Techonology Corporation
13) Alias Systems
14) Pixelux Entertainment

And finally, Sony re-confirmed the inclusion of Ageia's Physx library and be available inside the dev kits going out in October and afterwards. Ageia's tools will be provided along with Unreal Engine 3 tools(evaluation version) developed by Epic games and Havok Technologies Havok XS physics engine.


Author: Imtiaz Haider








268 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 17:14
YYYYAYAAAAYYYYYAAAAAYYYYYAAAAAYYY YYYYAAAAAAYYYYYYAAAYYYYYYAAAAAYYY OH WAIT WHOOPS MY BAD IM CHEERING FOR CRAP

269 - to 265
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 17:54
1-fight night 3 is a multiplatform game. naturally it is the same on both consoles, not a surprise. PS3 will show it's more power in it's exclusive games like MGS4 or Killzone.
2-even if the two machines were identical (which they aren't by any means and PS3 is way more technologicaly advanced) my choice was sony again. who needs microsoft and their garbage?
3-you say PS3 doesn't exist or there isn't a game footage for it. it is natural! because it isn't coming in 2 months. it comes in mid 2006 you morons!


270 - # 269
Unregistered - Coward 10.06.2005 19:15
Killzone was not real nowhere near real, MGS4 was real and was good, but by no means does it blow away anything on 360, they will be just like it was this gen, but this time SONY has the slightly improved gfx.

271 - dumb ps3 fans
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 19:16
PS3 didn't show any gameplay so far. If its comming out this spring then its only 6 months away. They should have something by now. Xbox360 had real gameplay at E3 this year. So wake up and don't be fooled by sony, PS3 will not be ready next year. Sony is in trouble.

272 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 19:29
A MUST READ> THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE> Microsoft get scared! (the snake) http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm

273 - get scared?
Unregistered - Coward 10.06.2005 19:33
explain yourself.

274 - Don't like Sony's bussiness practice
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 19:55
Sony hype their machines and give out promises they can't fullfill. They did it with ps2 and they are doing it with ps3. As a consumer it makes me mad, don't you? All of their products are overpriced also. They don't care damn about you but only their profit. Why are you guys so into sony? do they pay you or something, one thing for sure is Sony made lot of profit from mindless gamers like you...get some common sense don't take sony's crap.

275 - Gets scared! (sorry)
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 19:59
A MUST READ> THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE> Microsoft gets scared! (the snake) http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm

276 - # 275
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 20:01
i still dont get what this has to do with PS3 or 360.

277 - yo
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 20:04
Idiot stop posting get scared link, you dumbass!~~

278 - Balance
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 20:16
its all about balance, xbox360 has enough power, good developers and xbox live. Sony maybe better on graphic but no online play. So Sony comes in second!!

279 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 20:17
#278


what no online are u high


280 - to 270,271,274
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 20:18
1-MGS4 didn't blow anything on 360?!? haha,don't make me laugh! the best looking games on 360 so far are these two:PGR3 & GOW. neither of them are even near the MGS4! GOW is like a cartoon if you've seen the footage! and if they can make MGS4 like that,they also can make killzone like the demo we saw at E3.
2-Sony in trouble? just in your dreams sir! your Mr.bill and his box will be in serious trouble next year when the mighty PS3 comes out!
3-i think we all know which company is famous for under delivering and screwing their customers with it's garbage and overpriced products in the whole world,it is MICROSOFT! enough said.


281 - you call what sony has online support?
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 20:21
compare to xbox live, you know its worthless, how many ps2 gamers go online really?

282 - its a cutscene not game play
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 20:27
how many times we have to tell you!! ps3 fans. its a cutscene not game play, lets wait till what ps3 can do when they have real game play footage. At least microsoft don't hype their xbox360 and mislead its consumers. Don't like sony's practices..so wrong!!

283 - to 281,282
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 20:42
1-Sony announced the PS3 online service recently(similar to xbox live) if you were asleep.besides,it's not a life and death issue because not all gamers have broadband connection in the world.
2-MGS4 was REALTIME! how many times should i tell you? in TGS kojima himself changed the camera angle and proved that was the real game engine! if you want to blindly decline the truth,that is another matter!



284 - Wake up Sony Fans!!
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 20:46
Sony fans, don't you feel cheated when sony overhyped ps2's graphic power and emotion engine was no where near what they promised..they are sooo dirty on how they run their bussiness, why are you guys so in love with sony??? They flat out lied to your face!! Don't be fooled sony is doing it again for ps3...

285 - nobhead
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 20:49
MGS4 was not realtime kojima did not change the camera angle you wanker, the footage was put on the end of the reel, meaning it was a video.

286 - i know its a real time cutscene!! not real time game play
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 20:56
real time cutscenes the graphic is better because it runs a prescripted image, you run less calculations because its not gameplay...I know that on msg games cutscenes always look better than gameplay because like i said its prescripted, no user interaction other than moving the camera. In gameplay you need to have lot of calculations to run on the background so it can be a gameplay not a prescrpted image.

287 - MGS4 was a video kojima confirms this himself.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 20:57
4th paragraph you sony nobheads http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=11880 now say that it was realtime played by kojima.

288 - # 287 just owned all you sony fanboi's
Unregistered - Coward 10.06.2005 21:03
what next he was controlling it through the power of his mind, pfffffff
PS3 = EXPENSIVE GRILL.


289 - ROFL!!!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 21:17
PS3 FANS STUNNED INTO SILENCE BY THE FACT KOJIMA WAS NOT PLAYING MGS4 AT TGS. PURE CLASS # 287.

290 - you got played!~
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.06.2005 21:37
"A Sony Computer Entertainment executive has gone on record to explain why there were no playable PS3 games at this year's Tokyo Game Show - despite Ken Kutaragi's previous promises." Another sony's promises that didn't get fullfilled, Wake up Sony Fans!! you are being played!!

291 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 23:14
SONY FANS ARE BEING PLAYED BY SONY NOT REVEALING VITAL ASPECTS OF THE PS3

292 -
Unregistered - Will 10.07.2005 03:29
If this is not realtime, then I don't know what it is.
http://oksat.no-ip.org/~mikko/mgs4_realtimedemo_1up.wmv


293 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 03:59
#291,290,289,288,287 ...... If you think ps3 sucks and x360 rulez !1!1! then buy it by all means and play on it (and post it on xbox360.com or something similar), but please dont tell us what to do with our money. Leave this forum and go back to your own place (xbox websites). Btw ps2 overhyped graphics? Go play god of war, gt4 and then come back. Their graphics can easily be compared with the best games xbox offered, if not even better. If you look at the demos of what the ps2 could do, and you see the games now, you will know they surpassed the
potential limits of the ps2. Besides, like I said, I want to see some real next gen and IMO (IN MY OPINION) NONE of the xbox360 games impressed me.


294 - what?? are you high or what??
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 04:12
i don't see where in this article it says that mgs4 wasn't realtime??!! it says it was a FOOTAGE you morons! don't you know what FOOTAGE means??!! footage can't be pre-rendered. if you want to encourage us to buy the 360 don't even bother yourselves,no way. sony fans are the most loyal in the world.i told you before,even if these machines were identical(!) my choice was sony. even if that stupid box was better(not even in your wildest dreams!) my choice was sony again.

295 - I dont care!!!
Unregistered - Ken Daou 10.07.2005 06:34
It doesnt matter for me how the hell developing a ps3 game would cost, still buying ps3... PS3 already got support for 120+ games till now...so shut the f*ck up 360 fanboys and buy PS3...

296 - is this site 360today
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 07:54




360 FAN BOYS ON A PS3 SITE SOMEONE LOVES A SONY CONSOLE


297 - Cool !
Unregistered - Billy-Jo Fat Ass 10.07.2005 08:21
More real-time greatest from the mighty Cell...

http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/131





298 - OH man............can;t believe you guys....
Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.07.2005 08:23
first of all... to 360 box fan... get r life and go back to 360 website... again this is ps3 website...

second to ps3 fans.... please take it easy.....u guy going to blow the website in r min.


299 - mayb
Unregistered - dragon flames 10.07.2005 08:32
part agree with dragon, if u wanna go running off with the mouth then back it up with some useful facts instead of going XBOX blows, ps3 suks ballz, u do that then u r like a little kid without a clue of what is going on. If u have nothing nice to say then FUK OFF. I am sik of reading crap from losers who don't know what they are talking about, there are some decent comments out there with decent facts then some loser comes and starts slandering it without knowing what is going on. Just get lost and don't waste u're time with bullshit.

300 - Can a thread reach....
Unregistered - Billy-Jo Fat Ass 10.07.2005 09:14
300?

301 - Microsoft did it
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 09:21
Everywhere I see all you sony dipshits say "microsoft did it..microsoft made them do it...microsoft did it to us" IDIOTS..realize that your own company is saying things that are negative and is getting VERY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK from devs. I dont think MS is holding devs hostage making them say and do these things. Your own favorit company screwed themselves by making a system with difficult to program for architecture, i guess that is MS fault too isnt it? Bunch of know nothings.

302 - READ THIS
Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.07.2005 09:26
http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/130

303 - To #301
Unregistered - Knob-rot 10.07.2005 09:27
Please ammend you thread from VERY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK to VERY NEGATIVE PAID FEEDBACK...

Thankyou.


304 - OH!!! SHiitty..Sh*t.PS3 boyz rulezzzz!!!
Unregistered - Ken Daou 10.07.2005 10:00
Sayonara 360.. PS3 would definitely be the boss of consoles gaming for around the next 10 years atleast...PS3 got games that are pretty much rich in sexy hot men..i.e: have you seen that cute guy Dante from DMC4,I bet that he's gona be the hottest ever guy in the next-gen gaming consoles alongside with his brother virgil..I dont think spardas gotta be a big deal,wait there's more... That famous Japanese guy from Tekken6,what is his name?!!! oh yeah i remembered he's Jin,he got one heck of an ass,muscles and other sexy stuff.Squareenix promised to bring back the sexy goodlookin youngman Cloud Strife in their upcoming finalfantasy game for the next-gen PS3 console FFVII,moreover i hope that the coolest ever guy in gaming industries Vincent be one of the playable and included characters in FFVII.

What next??..yeah that strong guy from God of war i wish and i guarantee that theres gonna be GOW 2 on PS3 and that hot man is goin to be ultra- detailed with a 1/2 meter d*ck,oh yeah i've already started feelin the ecstasy,with mentioning his cokk...what about snake?? kojima ruined everything,with a 90year old snake...Damn i bet he's using thousands of viagras and nothings gonna happen as we hardcore gamers waitin for...By the way I missed u fuzzylogic please post anything.

Another time gurilla co. have done it..with the bunch of these upcoming guys in killzone on PS3 omg!! they rockk oh yeah i'll die waiting for its launch...Hell ya sony PS3 rox..360 fu*ks.i mean what the hell microsoft going to bring on thar f*cking machine 360.A robot that can holds retarded weapons in halo3...f*ck!!! or what?? xbox live sh*t they screw ass.. and as andy always says XBOX LIVE SUX ASS...LONG LIVE SONY..
One other thing i need a gentleman to please explain to me what the hell Al means?

Oh!! almost forget as Dante always says:THIS IS GONNA BE ONE HELL OF A PARTY....

www.lkkl.net


305 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 10:02
ROFL XFlop 1,5 Gears of war and Ghost Reacon looked better in E3

306 - OMG!!! OMG!!! 360 is gonna be the best...wow
Unregistered - Chris 10.07.2005 10:06
XBOX 360 / PLAYSTATION 3 PERFORMANCE COMPARISON
SUMMARY
Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

There are three critical performance aspects of a console:

Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance:
The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has six times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.

Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance:
The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU,alongside its high capability of rendering unlike PS3's GPU..

Memory System Bandwidth:
The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by eight times.

The Xbox 360's CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one.
Cell's claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors.
The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3's. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance.
Xbox 360 has 488.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-tenth of Xbox 360's (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

As the final conclusion would be since I have a degree in computer sciences and computer engineering from one of the best colleges in the world... 360 would be much more powerful than PS3.And PS3 would barely look like the current generation Xbox system.


307 - 123
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 10:09
The Xbox kids don't even know what they are talking about, Condemned was never annouced for PS3, that was BS made gamespot. Same thing with Killing day, It's PS3 exclusive and gamespot says it's coming to Xbox 1,5

308 -
Unregistered - Anonymous anonymous 10.07.2005 10:10
i concur

309 - DEAR DIARY (diary of a sony fanboy pt1 age 13.3quarters)
Unregistered - ANONY MOUSE 10.07.2005 10:12
dear diary

today i heard the news that ken kutttarrrgi (what ever his name is) has announced the final price of the ps3,... 13 billion pounds (wow) and that the only good game that it has is mgs4 (yippe that will show them 360 owners with their moderatly priced system ,that has loads of games at launch and a sexy controller)
i must save all my pocet money because i must have a ps3(why diary because sony say i wont be cool anymore if i dont get one).
also jonny fukwit in the playground told me that the ps3 can beam the games into your head (wow take that one microsoft) with the use of a blue lazer thingamybob, and he also said that the games come on solid gold disks that are the size of a house (yippe they must be better games if they are that big)
my friend mr intelligent gamer dude in my class said he wants a 360....i am no longer his friend, i think he maybe g@y cos ken kurtargy said that microsoft smells of poopoo and bill gates is a gayman. i think it must be true after all ken said it was true
any ways must go now diary momys made me fishfingers and beans for tea (mmmm my fave !!!)

... mom can ken krutargyie come round for tea. he has just inveted a new games machine/grilling machine ????.


310 - damn 309
Unregistered - my master 10.07.2005 10:29
wow, i bet you feel real proud about that mega-clever post....too bad your opinion means $hit to anyone here...but as long as you feel good about yourself...nice life you have there

311 - #306 is stupid
Unregistered - elle 10.07.2005 10:33
LMAO #306, someone actually belives that sh1t made MS. The xbox kids are stupid if they believe that

"The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth
for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM
bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth. "

you can laugh at this, to count the framebuffer to some total system bandwidht is so stupid that microsoft is could be behind it. And the same guy behind that bullshit says that ps3 is the most powerful two months after he made that crap.

With xbots everything that MS says is true, but when comes sony and nintendo it's bullshit


312 - 309 get a life
Unregistered - dragon flames 10.07.2005 10:33
Go get u're facts straight before slandering off. Sure the PS3 will be more expensive but who cares? If it is what people want then let them buy it. If u think the xbox controller is gr8 the screw it for all we care, it is a waste of space. This is a discussion not an arguement of who is better. PS3 FORUM. U luv u're xbox so much then get da hell outa here. U wanna gic reasonable reasons y it is better besides the price then go ahead. Not just go on about nothing.

313 - You all suck
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 10:35
damn... someone actually spends time with these idiots

314 -
Unregistered - Tony 10.07.2005 10:41
Someone has put a good post to e-empire forums about xenon specs compared to x800xt:
Okay, here is first proof that xenon is not even par with x800xt:
MS presentation from Italy:
http://www.consolewars.de/generalpu...ganc#screenview

http://www.consolewars.de/generalpu...ganc#screenview

http://www.consolewars.de/news/newsdisplay.php?idx=9107

Here is ATI:s specs for x800 family:
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx...eWhitePaper.pdf

What we found from those articles and links:
Pixel Rate
x360 4 Gpix/s
X800XT 8+ Gpix/s

Triangles or vertices
x360 500 Mtriangles/s (575 Mvertices/s)
X800XT 652 Mtriangles/s (750Mvertices/s)
vertices are approx 1,15*triangles

Shader operations:
X360 48 billions/s
X800XT 46 billions/s

Gflops:
x360 240 Gflops
X800XT 220 Gflops

Memory Bandwith:
X360 22,4 GB/s
X800XT 32+ GB/s

We have also found some information that x1800xt is capable of 1billion vertices/s which is approx the same as G7800GTX.

So xenon is already a little bit old.

If someone can proof that MS and ATIs information is somehow wrong, I'd like to hear that.


315 - #306
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 11:03
Hey buddy the book "computer for dummy" doesnt count as a degree in computer engeneer!!
First of all who the f*ck started all the hype about adding bandwith ???
They work in parallel... Or in that case both version of XBOX are not the same speed cause you have to add the bandwith from the network card... NOT you idiot.


316 - RETARDS GET A LIFE!!!!!!
Unregistered - Coward 10.07.2005 12:16
YES ALL OF YOU GET A GRIP, MY MUMS BETTER THAN YOUR MUM, MY NOBS BIGGER THAN YOURS, GROW THE HELL UP.

317 - bloody peasants
Unregistered - foss 10.07.2005 13:03
boo hoo. the poor ps3 fanboys can't take the fact that the ps3 isn't going to have all the games promised - losers

318 - to 310
Unregistered - Anonymouse 10.07.2005 13:46
yes i do feel proud.
it was a lot more intelligent than what you wrote
oh and by the way i do have a nice life , thank you very much for asking
when ever your in my area pop in and i will make you a nice cup of tea and give you some cake.


319 - yo 312
Unregistered - Anonymouse 10.07.2005 13:52
ha ha i cant believe you replied to my "diary" post
it was an "ironic" statement about the kind of comments you fukwits are comming
out with on this page .the kind of playground comments akin to saying "my dads harder than yours" or "my c0ck is bigger than yours"
whith your kind of reply YOU were the kind of person that i was taking the p1ss out of
and you were too thick to even realise it

(looks down at the floor shakes my head in despair..there realy is no hope for you)


320 - Xbox is good, but have you SEEN the games of the ps3?????
Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.07.2005 14:15
alright guys, heres the final thought. just take a look at the games of the 2 consoles. DOA4 for the 360 doesnt even look as good as Tekken 5. Killzone 3 just looks awesome, although it was pre rendered they said it will look like that. I will take them up on it and wait for the ps3 because frankly, i am not imprssed by the xbox360 games. i think we should all just wait to see which is better, and by the looks of it, ps3 just seems a lot, lot better. their demo's at E3 and TGS just outclassed and out polished anything xbox had to offer. so, all the xbox people, just chill out, have an open mind and wait till both consoles are out and decide.

321 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.07.2005 14:23
I'm a 360 fan myself, but I can't help but feel this is bad news. I want STIFF competetion this time around, so that BOTH consoles will have a reason to try harder than every to please us.

I love microsoft to death, and if you go to xbox360news.com, you will know I am not lying.

But let's face it, when MS gets too far ahead, they get lazy and we get crap shoved down our throats. Just look at Windows ME- 'nuff said.

Viva la Differance!


322 -
Unregistered - JsonHenry 10.07.2005 14:27
#314

Here you go mate-

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzcx

The Xenon is NOT based on the current ATi hardware, but future ATi hardware. The PS3 is based off of the current 7800GT from Nvidia.


323 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 14:31
The Xenon GPU is much more advanced than the PS3 GPU. Everyone from Anandtech to HardOCP to Arstechnica to TomsHardware will tell you so.

The one thing the PS3 has going for it is the potential of the CELL processor. But that might never come to be realized if Sony doesn't do something to stop the hemorrage of game developers that are turning tail and running to the 360.

There is a reason Sony has been making statements and enduring a slight stock slip.

Don't worry, Sony is pretty savvy and will fix this problem.


324 -
Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.07.2005 14:36
Even if thats true aboutt he graphics cards, does that really change anyhting. the nVidia has the same specs. It can do all the stuff that the ati said it can do. by the way, some of the demos in E3 for the PS3 was using only te CELL, not even the graphics card. I'm sure nVidia is no dummy. ofcourse ATI is going to say all that stuff, they are their competitors.

325 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 14:40
#324

You obviously don't dabble much in the PC video card market. Did you read the article? At all? It was not ATi saying that it could do that, it was the people that review hardware for a living saying that the ATi card is superior.

And Xenon and RSX do NOT have the same specs. Try again. By the time that the PS3 hits store shelves, the video card in it will be two generations old.


326 - to 320
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 14:41
the ps3 demos at e3 and tgs were better than anything the 360 had

errr how come gears of war got an award at e3

and sony got bashed for not having anything to show ???

and killzone blows you away even though it was a prerender ..are you thick
just look at what you said ..
there realy is is no hope for you lot if thats the best you can say about the ps3
that its good at doing pre renders
and i think you need glasses mate if you think doa4 looks like tekken 5
you realy are a stuupid boy


327 - thick 324
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 14:46
i rest my case if ever there was a thick group of people that know nothing and come out with stupid statements then 324 wins the stupid idiot award for 2005


"he PS3 was using only te CELL, not even the graphics card." what an idiot.

did you think about what you were going to post b4 you posted ???
the dear diary post(comment 309) is about people like you

so so stupid



328 - 314-324
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 14:55
Are really serious. Yes I know that it's not the same archtecture. It's different architecture, which is rather crappy. It's no matter what some sites say about the power of xenon, this time around I trust more what MS and ATI has said about specs. Xenon is nothing else than nowadays mid-high range PC-card, nothing more. That's why the games in TGS and XO looks so PC kind.

329 - 314- 323
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 14:57
Sorry, a little mistake in previous post, it shoukd have been to 323.

330 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:06
#328

You're wrong- The ATi card in the 360 is not only completely different than current high end PC cards, it is more powerful that any Video card currently in the market, or any card that will be on the market with then next year or so.

Go read the link on #322 post. There are many more articles just like it stating the same thing.

The PS3's vid card is nothing but a 7800GT (currently on the market) with a slightly higher clock, that isn't even fully capable of Shader Model 3.0 OR HDR lighting effects.


331 - OPEN YOUR EYES SONY FANBOI'S
Unregistered - Coward 10.07.2005 15:11
sony fanboi's full of contradictions you need to think before you type. and that chump who thinks KILLZONE will look as good as the CGI vid are you F**CKING MAD, no chance no f**cking chance, give it ten years and maybe just maybe we will see things as good as that, as for every other game on POS3 give me the link to a REAL in-game vid...... what did you say you cant remember where you seen them, oh it's ok i understand that you are all in awe of the 360, but come late 06 you will have your chance to play next-gen games that look exactly the same as 360 games yes you know it's true that both systems are equal in performance but you cannot see past the smoke and mirrors provided by SONY, anyways enjoy your long wait.

332 - xbox
Unregistered - PS3 Fan 10.07.2005 15:36
U XBOX MOTHERF**CKERS GET UR F**CKIN UGLY FACES OUT OF THIS SITE. GO WORKSHIP UR F**CKIN XBOX.THERE R NO DEVELOPERS FOR THE PS3 ITS R MATTER THIS IS NON OF UR CONCERN.

333 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:38
#332 learn how to spell then you are allowed to rant. try hooked on phonics.

334 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:38
no crap workship you mean worship

335 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:39
(deleted by mod)

336 -
AnonymousCoward 10.07.2005 15:45
wtf does 332 work for sony. Naw sony is probably just his religion. Fat ass

337 - ps3 sucks a fat but short pito!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:47
i love the 360 like a fat kid loves chocolate.

338 - to 330
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:48
Sorry 330 you are completely wrong. Maybe you have read how powerful R520 is 1,2 billion verties/s xenon is approx half of that. Depending of the tests 7800GTX is more or less powerful than X1800XT (R520). RSX is based on the architecrure of 7800 series, but it's likely to be about 60% to 80% more powerful than GTX, RSX is ready in January. You must also notice that Cell can take workload from that card so it's going to huge difference between xbox360 and PS3. I can say that it's more like comparing PSX (xbox360) to PS2 (PS3).

339 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:49
I can't help but feel that MOST Americans prefer the 360 over the PS3 with what we currently know about the two systems.

That is why EBGames can't give away PS2 stuff right now. They all want a piece of the Xbox.

In Japan... the exact opposite.


340 - to 335
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:51
Yes Sony suck from MS point of view. you are right. I think that MS greatest hope is that there is no such a company which can beat MS approx 6-0.

341 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:51
#338

You wrong. Every site I have posted refutes what you just tried to pass as fact. Give me ONE website that states that the RSX is more powerful than the Xenon.

You can't find one can you?


342 - TO WEBMASTER
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 15:56
PLEASE BAN THIS STUPID #335,THANKS.

343 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:01
#342

Hey, did you know that sony sucks?


344 - LISTEN X-BOTS!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:09
1-please stop your nonsense about the RSX gpu.you know nothing about what you're talking about.all the official info we have about it is this:
GPU: RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
AND it is NOT finalized yet, SO PLEASE STFU!
XENOS is NOT based on (ATI R600) because that is a shader model 4.0 part.XENOS is just a shader model 3.0 gpu like the R520 but only with unified shader pipes and 10 mb of integrated EDRAM,nothing more.
SIMILARLY,the RSX is based on G70 but more advanced with custom features that we don't know yet.
Bottom Line:BOTH of them are BETWEEN current and next gen GPUs.
2-no one here is begging you to buy the PS3, go and enjoy your box and leave us alone.


345 - To #343
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:18
as i said, go ahead and enjoy your x-flop 1.5. no one is standing in your way!
we are confident enough not to show these childish behavior that you and likes of you show here!


346 - I just have to laugh
Unregistered - kdogg 10.07.2005 16:23
All this sh*tbox360 and psux3 smack talk....

Ok...everyone agrees that with the technical aspects and how both systems are configured that they will be near equivalent in power.

The laughable part is all the rantings based on subjective arguments. Oh this game looks like crap? Well good for you, that's YOUR opinion of the graphics. So basically a whole bunch of wise asses come on here like they've written the King James edition of "Next Gen Graphics" to let us all know what does and does not qualify. duurrr...


347 - DUMB ASS XBOT BOY CANT READ!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:28
To # 147 that article is dated 21/9/2005 dumb ass read it at the top where the Authores name is, the Xbots sure are f**ing dumb. maybe you can see it this time, heres the link again http://opm.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3144009

348 - to 327
Unregistered - JIn Kazama 10.07.2005 16:32
First of all, I said SOME of the demo's were using only cell
"some of the demos in E3 for the PS3 was using only te CELL" like the leaf tornado, and the exploding gas station, so shut the hell up. Also, all you idiots that can ramble these specs on the gpu, cant even write one line of code that makes them possible, so quit acting like you know what the hell you are talking about. Also, about the CGI part of of PS3 in the demo, I said, I will take their word for it and wait until it comes out to decide, other wise I aint buying that piece of crap xbox360 that isnt that impressive. Look at both consoles when they come out, and then decide. I will wait for the ps3 to come out because they have presented their case better, 360 isnt that impressive. So, go and recite all the garbage of the specs of the gpu that you have the most shallow knowledge about, to make yourself feel smart. Also, some idiot said tby the time ps3 comes out, its graphics card will be a couple of generations old. You're an idiot. you idiots are comparing 2 consoles which arent even out yet, in the end its the gamers that decide, not some stupid site that rates which is better. remember, gamecube had a lot more power and advanced gpu than the old PS2, who still got their butt kicked?????? hmm Sony is KING of the hill. Xbox was also way more powerful than the ps2, who got their butts kicked hmmm.....SONY is still king. After what MS showed at E3 and TGS, its was not impressive. Sony stole the show at E3.


349 - Revolution specs
Unregistered - true gamer 10.07.2005 16:37
Rumoured Revolution Specs by Factor5 employee "Han Solo" (or so they say)

System 1:
Modified Specifications

CPU
1 x IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz (Dual Threaded)
13 billion dot product operations per second

Cache Memory
256 KB L1 cache
1 MB of L2 cache
L3 cache - unconfirmed

GPU
600 MHz ATI Custom based RN520 core
The "N" stands for Nintendo (ArtX team is involved)
2048x1268 Maximum Resolution
Hi Def support - unconfirmed
256 MB 1T-SRAM
Low 1.2 ns latency with efficient Cell architechture
32 parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
500 Million triangles per second theoretical
100 Million triangles per second practical
~50 billion shader operations per second Shader Performance

Memory
512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM

PPU
Revolution will support a PPU chip or Physical Processing Chip.
32 MB dedicated RAM.
Note: Link directly to the CPU, GPU and the Controller

Sound
Integrated DSP support only DD 5.1 – DTS 7.1
16 MB dedicated DSP memory (simular to the GameCube DSP) - unconfirmed



350 - Rev. specs
Unregistered - true gamer 10.07.2005 16:42
I'm not sure about these specs. Their just rumours, but theseare same ones spculated by the same guy who leaked the xbox360's specs before microsoft's confirmation of them being true.

351 -
Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.07.2005 16:43
OOOOHH GREEEAT, now I can play POKEMON iwith all the sweet graphics!!
dont even bring NINTENDO in this conversation, unless you are under 8 years old, which is basically their target audience. HHAAHA


352 - This will shut the XTARDS up
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:44
PS3 graphics officaily better than X360 so go suck bill small c*ck:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=14842

"The 232M transistors on GPU unit is about 40% more than those found on ATI's RADEON X800 (R420/423) GPU, and is almost equal to NVidia's GeForce 6800(NV40) system (222,000,000)."

See how it says "ALMOST equal to NBidia's GeForce 6800"? the 7800GTX is far more powerfull than the 6800, X360 realy does suck balls afterall, so f*ck off back to your own forum and cry.


353 - PS3 wins again
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:51
The cell processor is more powerfull too:

"In addition, Microsoft disclosed the number of transistors of the Xbox 360 CPU. The CPU unit uses 165,000,000 transistors, a number equal to that found in a Pentium 4 6xx (Prescott 2M) CPU.

On the other hand, IBM's Cell processor on the Playstation 3 uses 241M transistors, which is roughly 1.5 more than those found on the Xbox"

165 million transistors for X360 compaired to 241 million transistors for PS3

Same link as above


354 - No Doubt
Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.07.2005 16:56
All of the PS3 fans, dont even bother replying back to the xbox360. They are simply haters. Everyone saw the demos, everyone knows about the Blu-Ray, the CELL, the GPU, its truly a next gen system. Xbox360 has showed us all of the stuff it has to offer, and to be honest, its not impressive. I'd rather play my ps2 ans wait for the ps3 to show us what it can do.

355 - to #351
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 16:58
i think Revolution is a good choice for the second console. if these specs are correct, i'll definately buy one,because i don't want to buy a Microsoft product at all!

356 -
Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.07.2005 17:01
But, with the Xbox360, YOU can make these COOL shirts, and sell them online from the 360. THAT is SOOOOO COOL, you can start a business on the 360!! HAHAHAH, what a freakin joke. But you're right, if I had to decide of the 2, I would get a revolution first.

357 - MISS THIS DID YOU EMPTY HEADS.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 17:08
"However, considering that Microsoft's early announcements for the Xbox concerning 48 Unified-Shaders, 232M transistors seems small. This might mean that ATI has possibly used some new techniques in the Unified-Shader design"

358 - AND THIS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 17:10
"The GPU core unit uses 232,000,000 transistors while the eDRAm Die (Pixel processing unit) use 100,000,000 transistors"

359 -
Unregistered - Jin Kazam 10.07.2005 17:13
However, considering that Microsoft's early announcements for the Xbox concerning 48 Unified-Shaders, 232M transistors seems small. This might mean that ATI has possibly used some new techniques in the Unified-Shader design"

Yea, it also could mean that they have this radical new alien technology from area 51 they are using because they are only 232M trans. No wait, it might mean, that they are gonna incorporate Nvidia's remaining transistors on their GPU, No wait, is could mean............ANYTHING you fool


360 -
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.07.2005 17:26
This is just a RUMOR!!!

361 -
Unregistered - Coward 10.07.2005 17:30
The important thing is not the speed of the processors, but the speed of the memory. Already most PS2 games spend 40-50% of CPU time on cache faults, i.e. waiting for memory. This is why a faster processor doesn't necessarily offer a faster system, if all the difference is spent waiting for memory. Having twice as many teraflops is worthless when you spend those clocks waiting for memory.

362 - TWO WORDS.
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.07.2005 17:34
EMOTION ENGINE.

363 - pfffffffffffffffffff
Unregistered - Anonyward 10.07.2005 17:35
Q: Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PLAYSTATION 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make."


364 -
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.07.2005 17:35
Stop cursing there r little kids using this websit and by the way xbox fans stop leading the kids in the wrong directions!!!

365 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 17:37
To # 358 the EDRAM is refereing to the 10MB of embedded DRAM, yes DRAM not EDRAM:

Custom ATI Graphics Processor 10 MB of embedded DRAM
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm

As for the number of transistors, in what way will the unified shaders increase the transister count? the transistor count for the GPU is will always be 232,000,000 which is far less than RSX transistor count

And NO! this is no lie to the person who thinks so, this is the way to tell which is more powerfull, Gflops isnt a true measurement for performance.


366 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 17:46
Arent any of you people worried about what these consoles are doing to the environment? It is totally making the environment feeling like its left out here. We need to be concerned about this, now instead of killing someone in real life, we can do it on our consoles. Come on people, we need to push for a hybrid console. Someting that will be easier on the environment, so we can play in the playstation world and beat the hell out of the xbox people in the real world.

367 - Forget Da enviormemt
Unregistered - Tha L 10.07.2005 17:55
wat u REALLY should be worried about is the end times and the coming of the true king these console are good but they are just materialistic things to just distract u from wats going on if u think all these earth quakes and tsunamis are just some wierd stuff going on then u need to read revolations and see the truth i dout anyone will listen to me or the enviormentaklist geeza above but owell atleast i can say i tried thank you and good bye :)

368 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 17:57
Read revolations? why read revolations...when I can PLAY THE REVOLUTION!! HAHAHAHA

369 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 17:58
if Jesus were Alive today, he would pick PS3 as being the chosen one

370 - simple cut & paste
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:07
CONCLUSION
"When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3."


371 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:07
The Transistor count for 7800GTX is 304 million, RSX is said to be more powerfull.
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/G70preview/


372 - phuck you all
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:07
damn......phucking idiots..get a life assholes,really.

373 - and another
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:08
Bandwidth
The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.


"Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.

The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.

HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices."


374 - here you go!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:11
PS3 transistors 300 million

X360 transistors 332 million


375 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:11
To # 370 you can take that cut and paste and stick it up your arse, thats simply an Xbox fanboys view, complete trash, I have provided respectable reliable links, with figures that dont lie.

376 - hey you asshole
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:13
hey number 373, did you understand anything that you pasted,prick?

blah blah blah yayda yada yada

and another.....


blah blah blah...

bill gates sucks.ps3 kicks ass.


377 - THERE WE HAVE IT FOLKS 360 IS THE WINNER!!!
Unregistered - KILLER OF DREAMS 10.07.2005 18:13
PS3 HAS ALL THESE MAGICAL NUMBERS BUT 360 HAS IT WHERE IT MATTERS MOST, FOR THE GAMES, THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT.

378 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:14
look people, the games on the xbox1.5 arent that great. they looked better than those of current generation, but it wasnt impressive enough to put down 399 for it. say all the specs, the games were kinda weak. the only awesome games were MGS4, KillZone, MotorStorm, Fight night, oh wait, those were PS3 titles. AWWWWW

379 - ahem
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:15
by the way that xbox fanboy cut & paste was from ign.

380 - blind fools.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:17
killzone and motorstorm were not real d1ckhead, fight night looks exactly the same on 360 and MGS4 was ok at best.

381 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:18
#373 PS2 had large bandwidth, but the thing is Sony learnt from its mistake, that 256GB/s bandwidth for X360 will only starve the processor or rather the processor wont be able to compute quick enough to use the full nabdwidth.

382 - you prik
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:19
number 377,there we have it,you are indeed a phakin idiot,xbox sucks donkey balls ,and ps3 rulez.forever.amen.

383 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:20
oh really, they were pre rendered??? Are you serious, you knew that, and I didnt. Oh my god. You are soo knowledgable. What the hell did Xbox 360 show at E3, Gears of War....WOW...oh yea and DOA4 which looks worse than tekken 5

384 - to #373
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:21
PLEASE STOP CUTTING & PASTING THIS MICROSOFT-MADE STUPID NONSENSE.WE ALL HAVE SEEN IT A MILLION TIMES.IT IS NOT A BIG SURPRISE TO SEE THEM SAYING: XBOX360 IS BETTER THAN PS3! FIND INDEPENDENT SOURCES!

385 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:21
i'm rich enough to buy all three systems, so all of you shut the hell up.

386 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:22
my dad works for MS, he says the Xbox360 is better.

387 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:22
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388 - gaylords.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:25
you sony fanboi's are real chumps arent you, you see the figures all layed out infront of you but still you choose to believe the oppisite, im glad that you are goin to waste your parents money on that grill, so us xbox fans dont have to hear all your pre-pubescent voices over live.....whats live i hear you cry let me explain its a place where you can play your buddys on-line without crashing and cheats, oh well never mind, good look cookin up a storm on you george foreman. peace out niggah's

389 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:26
okay, enough of the xbox360 and ps3 nonsense. you have your views, we have ours. its not gonna change. new topic, who thinks Burnout is better than need for speed. me personally, i believe Needo for speed most wanted is gonna kick some booty. You thoughts?

390 - simple copy,paste and bullshit
Unregistered - Bill Gates 10.07.2005 18:27
oh guys,hi there.um,i just wanted to tell you that xbox1.5er..360 is better.BETTER!!yay!you must believe this,coz i'm bill gates and my op system is the best in the world.

391 - wtf?
Unregistered - Coward 10.07.2005 18:28
1. ign is independant.
2. show me some footage of tekken 5.
3. #387 just gives you sony boys a bad name.


392 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:35
# 373
Bandwidth
The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.


"Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.

The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.

HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices."
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Yet more Microsoft propaganda.


393 - BREAKING NEWS
Unregistered - RP 10.07.2005 18:38
K.KUTARAGI CONFIRMS THAT THE FIRST READY TO RELEASE GAME FOR PS3 WILL BE "PGR" (Prerendered Graphics Reality)

394 - # 387
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:38
you retard your comment is not #360 it is #387.
so that's were you sony fanboi's get all your crazy #s from not "k" oh well ciao'


395 - that's from www.microass.com!!look!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:41
When you break down the numbers, NES has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.
However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. NES is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. NES games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

and so NES is better!!


396 - Look at the bundles for X360: FOOK THAT!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:45
$699,91 for:

Xbox 360 Game Console
- Wired Controller
- Composite A/V Cable
- Xbox Live Silver
- Xbox Live Gold 30-Day Trial

Core Bundle Games:
- Perfect Dark Collector's Edition
- Project Gotham Racing 3
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Dead or Alive 4
- Call of Duty 2

http://www.gamestop.com/gs/360/360.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&

Have fun spending money $ Bill gates loves you all


397 - Cool X360 - The Omega bundle
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 18:56
$1999,69 I told you bill loved you, he's laughing at all you dumb Xbox fans, its certainly made me an X (box) fan of their's

398 - Common Sense
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 19:07
OK here's a radical idea, one you can all try. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo zealots can all join in.

Rather than posting huge chunks of press statements and articles which everyone has read anyaway why don't you try reading a few of them. Maybe also read around the subject, you know past history, current business conditions etc.

Then when your done why don't you think about what you've just read and form your own opinion based on it. You never know you might get a taste for it and open your eyes to a whole wide world of experiences outside the closed little shells you've invented for yourself.


399 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 19:12
you people, are you concerened at all about the damage this is going to cost the economy of the world. People will be starving, and dying of famine becasue of these twon consoles. Everyone need to just look inside themselves and think about it. This will cause catastrophic events when these 2 consoles come out. It will create many many more STD's around the world, it will cause many more wars. It will damage the eco system. it will ruin our environment.

400 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 19:12
you people, are you concerened at all about the damage this is going to cost the economy of the world. People will be starving, and dying of famine becasue of these twon consoles. Everyone need to just look inside themselves and think about it. This will cause catastrophic events when these 2 consoles come out. It will create many many more STD's around the world, it will cause many more wars. It will damage the eco system. it will ruin our environment.

401 - Morons...
Unregistered - Truth 10.07.2005 19:15
To everyone comparing the Xenon and RSX... take into account the RSX isn't even on silicon yet. So, comparing something already in poduction with something not even 100% finalized is to [ut it bluntly, pure, utter, completely fecking moronic.

And, please stop quoting from Major "BillGatesasslicking" Nelson article as it was nothing but tripe coming from within the company. I love how if a Microsoft exployee comes out with "facts" all the pathetic fanboys worship it. However, if we did the same for the PS3, we'd be flammed to high hell. Fecking lame and indicative how much of a fanboy some people are.


402 - I missed this bundle WOW!!! AMAZING VALUE PACK
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 20:24
$4499,68 http://www.gamestop.com/gs/360/360_dell.asp?
funny how they call the Dell 42-Inch Plasma TV as an accessory

At that price I think I'll get 3 LOL!



403 - EMPTY HEAD FANBOI'S
Unregistered - Coward 10.07.2005 21:07
you do know it's the store who make these bundles up and not MS dont you. i guess what people say is true sony fanboi's are the most retarded around, have fun waiting till late 06 for GRILLSTATION and that BATARANG so you can shove it up your ass and get at least some enjoyment out of that thing.

404 - DUMB ASS FANBOY THINKS M$ GET NO MONEY FROM STORES
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 21:22
To # 403 Your retarded, are you saying M$ make nothing from these packs? f*cking fool, yea the shop makes some money, DELL will get some money and so will Microshit

405 - # 404
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 21:27
are you saying that MS gets no money at all from there 360's, hell no that is just bad business i would make them pay........ no sh1t f**cktard use your brain.... oh hang on your a sony fanboi you aint got one, nevermind just ignore that last bit.

406 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 21:33
405 its you who said they make the bundles, yea they do, but why? because M$ prefere bundles than just a system sale DUMB ASS!! added extras pay for the system F*cktard, go f*ck J.Allard up is ass.

407 - # 406
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 21:37
no you chump if you work it out bundles are cheaper than buying it all seperate, so in that case your saying MS wants these bundles so they can lose money dont think so somehow, it is the retailer that makes the profit on bundles you complete wanker, go get an education and stop playing video games moron.

408 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 22:20
Who gives a fuck who makes the bundles and who makes the money? Microsoft are sh1t, they are a sh1t Software company, and have other people make the system for them cos they dont have a clue about hardware, only problem is they had more input with X360, and the embedded DRAM's bus to processor is a bottleneck the 256GB's number, is just to impress dumb ass's who know fuck all about hardware, the thing is it hinders the machine M$ have fucked up, go buy your fuckbox 360 and leave people who are into PS3 to discuss PS3 here, without you and your fellow 360° spinning zombies.

409 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 22:34
Dont you mean 360° spinning monkey boys? http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.avi

410 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 23:09
Microsoft makes money on the bundles asshole. they are selling the 360 at a loss, everytime they are selling the 360, they are losing money. they make up for it in the sofware sales, thats why they WANT it to be bundled you d*ck head. Playstation 3 will probably be bundled too. Right now, its going to cost more to make an xbox360 and PS3, than what they are selling it for, so to make up for that, they bundle it with software and accessories. So, shut the fck up

411 - this aint a microsoft comment page!
Unregistered - .... 10.07.2005 23:11
1. SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE HELL DID THIS PAGE GET 409 COMMENTS!??
2. WHY IS THERE ANY MENTIONS OF MICROSOFT WHEN, THIS IS A, UM, PS3 SITE!?
3. LETS NOT REACH 500 COMMENTS.


412 - *small comment on #387*
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 23:16
Like, you are giving sony one horrible name right now. And seriously, you gotta be a kid, it took you the length time of 27 comments TO TYPE THAT!?


413 - *small comment on #387*
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 23:17
Like, you are giving sony one horrible name right now. And seriously, you gotta be a kid, it took you the length time of 27 comments TO TYPE THAT!?

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oy, can we get some good mature language here?


414 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 23:31
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415 - differences
Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.07.2005 23:46
can some of the ps3 fans tell me what is so great about the system so i can understand your point of views on why you think it is better, and can some xbox360 fans tell me what is so great about that system too? this way we can find the pros and cons about each system. im not being funny so please reply to this comment.


416 - wake up
Unregistered - yo ps3 fans 10.07.2005 23:47
PS3 didn't show any gameplay so far. If its comming out this spring then its only 6 months away. They should have something by now. Xbox360 had real gameplay at E3 this year. So wake up and don't be fooled by sony, PS3 will not be ready next spring year. Sony is in trouble.

417 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 23:47
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418 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.07.2005 23:58
WTF!, why is there so many Sony haters on here, this is a fucking PS3 site, go talk about your 360 console somewhere else, instead of insulting and causeing shlt on here.

419 - voice of reason
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.07.2005 23:58
Its all about balance, xbox360 has enough power, good developers and xbox live!! But sony on other hand may have better power but lacks online game play. Xbox live is very mature setup and years ahead of what sony has. So I pick xbox360 for now cause it comes out next month and it will be more cheaper when ps3 comes out so...why wait for ps3 to play great next gen game. I highly doubt ps3 will be ready next spring. I say next fall is more likely. If you don't like xbox360 then you can always sell it and buy ps3 later. I hope sony fans don't diss xbox360 because of their loyalty, 360 is a great system with great services.

420 - voice of reason
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.08.2005 00:05
Actually I'm going to enjoy xbox360 next month till about 2 years and then sell it and get ps3. by that time ps3 will be cheaper and have more games out by then. Why be loyal to one company when you can experience both. Since 360 is already here and much cheaper than ps3, lets enjoy it now and think about ps3 later.

421 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 00:11
To # 419 GREAT STUFF! the thing is this is a PS3 site and your chatting shlt about 360, I come here to read and listen to views on PS3 not some Xbox fanboy ranting on about when PS3 is out, which by the way will be spring and another thing you got wrong is Sony plan on something big for online play, for their next system PS2 was just a test bed, anyway now that you've come here to say what you've said and mis-informed people, you can go back to your own 360 forum, cos I've heard enough about PS3 this PS3 that from some Xbox fanboy that knows jack shlt about the system.

422 - voice of reason
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.08.2005 00:23
Thats why i'm voice of reason and you are just mindless fanboy.

423 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 00:29
Howard Stringer confirmed PS3 will be released Spring 2006, YOU are wrong, a much better online gameing experience is comming to PS3, YOU are wrong again, you dont talk any reason, you mis-inform, If I want to know about X360 I will go to an X360 forum, I dont want Xbox fanboys raiding the PS3 forum, I dont see it in Xbox forums, so I expect not to see it here.

424 - voice of reason
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.08.2005 00:37
promises and promises, let talk about facts...ps3 is not out yet and online service is not out yet either, thats good if someone said they will have better this or that but it is out yet???? I'm voice of reason because I'm talking about the current situation. and by the way i'm not xbox fanboy, i'm voice of reason.

425 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 00:43
Is X360 out yet MR voice of reason, NO! so go bother someone else with your stupid voice of reason nonsense.

426 - voice of reason
Unregistered - voice of reason 10.08.2005 00:53
Any gamer knows that 360 is hitting stores next month!! Development is finished and 360 is in production. but sony is still in development stage so lets wait till it gets close to production stage. My comments bother you because you are a fanboy.

427 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 01:06
Your comments bother me because I've seen others like you in here saying things that aren't true about PS3, PS3 is definitely on schedule for a spring 2006 launch, not only have they said it at the main headquarters in Japan, but the guy who is restructuring the whole Sony company has said it too, MR Howard Stringer. Anyway Mr voice of reason, if you can earn the respect of the name "voice of reason" I don't see any problem why you shouldn't stick around.

428 - to comment # 415
Unregistered - havoc 10.08.2005 01:35
On behalf of the playstation let me tell you why I am a sony fan boy, It started out with the ps1 it had so many great games and I remember having so much fun playing them. Then came the ps2 better graphics and once again a wide variety of games. Then my friend told me this system called xbox is coming out with better graphics and everything. I didn't believe him but he was right it was a more powerful console than the ps2. Thats when I realized that I was a sony fanboi cause I got jealous but I stuck with them because they still delivered the games and the experience. All you heard was microsoft bashing ps2 beacuse it's not a strong console. I thought to myself, I know sony won't let this happen again and they won't. Now we have the big ps3 coming out with not just great graphics but a brain with this cell processor. It will do multitasking with this processor. Not only will you see many characters on screen at once but they will be intelligent. I know sony is not playing no games this time around they going big. Blu ray drive, 6 usb ports an upgraded camera(eyetoy), TRUE backwards compatibility and lets say the graphics are some what equal, it's gonna look better on the ps3 with dual hd t.v. They have learned thier lesson this time around and their WILL be a service like xbox live, what you think sony is actually gonna sit around. Now im not saying xbox or x360 is garbage, but they got nothen on the ps3. This is why I am a sony fanboi I stuck thru all the bashing of the ps2, you think I'm gonna leave sony now when the ps3 is coming out.

429 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 01:55
I just hate it when fanboys cry out when someone disses their beloved console and demand that the offender go someplace else. The truth is you don't want good PS3 discussion you such want to rub each other's penis's and feel good about everything PS related. If you disagree just go back and read the above remarks.

430 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 02:02
I just love the PS3, it's the best console in the whole wide world. There are no flaws in the system like that nasty 360 thing. Ken K. is the smartest man ever. The xbox/xbox360 have no good games like the PS2. But probably the thing I like best about the playstation is that it will suck my weiner when no one is around. I tried that on my friend's xbox and it didn't work. That is why I am a Sony fanboy. How about you?

431 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 02:20
You know that story about the boy who cried wolf? Well, my whole life I have been afraid to tell a lie because of this story's consequences. But after reading the above poster's remarks I have to conclude that this charming fable isn't true after all. Sony has cried wolf over and over and over about how amazing their new console's will be. You would think that just like the villagers in the story people would stop believing them after a while. Sadly, this site has proven this supposedly time tested fable to be untrue. No matter how many times Sony doesn't deliver on their promises you will continue to believe. You got to hand it to them though, they are good. My advice to you all is to go smoke some more weed. Cause the stuff your've been smokin is obviously crap.

432 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 02:20
# 429 what remarks do you mean? the ones made by # 428? or the ones by Xbox fanboys? if it was # 428 there was no reason for him to get jealous of Xbox, PS2 delivered what it was said to do, PS2 was almost 2 years older hardware than Xbox, were all you xbox fans expecting miracles from a 2 yr older machine? jeez, it certainly managed to pull some amazing stuuf off GT4 for instance. X360 will be 6 months older hardware, maybe older, it depends how X360 sales go I suppose, before Sony release PS3. You can bet you will notice a difference between PS3 and X360, considering the gap between the consoles of this gen.

433 - TGS
Unregistered - Truth 10.08.2005 02:22
OK use common sense, what is better, A VIDEO of a game, or actual playable games that you can come up to and play test yourself? Now obviously you are going to say "but PS3 is a long time from launch" well, actually not really, if it launches in spring that gives it about 5 months, and xbox 360 launches in 2 months, 3 months ago microsoft had playable games that they allowed people to play test such as at that MTV thing, so actually Sony should have lots of playable game now, but they don't, they didn't even announce any online content or anything, simply put PS3 is a nice peice of vaporware with some pretty looking graphics and some really nice THEORETICAL SPECS,

434 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 02:45
To # 433, final dev kits aren't out till December, there are games that are playable, just not fully optimised, to the final devkits, expect early next year games in playable format, with a spring release. There are 30 launch games in production. TGS was the first unvailing of PS3, which is the reason they gave for non playable content, they wanted Japanese people to see something similar to that of E3, I personaly think its because non of the games are optimised to final dev kits, Sony want theses games to look good, not like some of the crap I've seen for X360, even a reporter at E3 was playing an X360 game and noticed behind him a normal Xbox game, he said he could hardly tell the difference in the graphics. Thats probably why you hear people saying Xbox 1.5 not just K.Kutiragi said it, but because the graphics of some games dont look any different to this gen.

435 - to 433
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 04:41
Sony could show somethimg if they wanted to, but they didn't.because they didn't want to show crap games with rubbish graphics like what MS showed at E3. Ken is demanding that all PS3 games be real next gen and amazing. not like your MS. you hardly can tell the difference between some xbox and xbox 360 games in graphics.

436 - 360 is nothing but a high end PC at best!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 04:55
I don't want something like that .PS3 is beyond PC and current PC technology. this is why we are obsessed with it :)

437 - TEKKEN V DOA
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 07:07
http://media.playstationpro2.com/images/tekken5-12.jpg

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2009_en.html

to those idiots saying tekken 5 looks better than doa 4

use those links . your all either blind or in denial

doa4 blows it away you sad muppets


438 - IDIOTS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 07:26
has any psfreek even seen the lates 360 movies or screen shots ???
how can they get away with saying "graphics dont look any better than xbox graphics" ???
it just makes you look realy realy stupid
the media, developers , and general people are saying its microsofts turn and that the 360 is a beast.
only ps3 fanboys say different .

quote from the sun newspaper that went to xo5 " ive seen the future of gaming and it isnt the ps3" " thats from a newspaper that has a circulation of about 30 million readers, ordinary everyday readers its those kind of people that decide what console to buy.
and sony didnot steal the show at e3 get real people (you may not believe me but i was there on holiday and managed to go to e3 and all sony showed were just rolling "trailers" 98% was cgi or prerender nothing to play. while 360stuff my have been bad but those games were running on "nonexistant hardware" because no devkits were in developers hands. now those developers have devkits the final devkits. developers only have the ps3 alpha kits not the final beta kits and the fact of the matter is, that they are turning away from the ps3 in favour ov the 360 for the simple reason "easy to develop for" "to get amazing results.
sony may endup in the hand held market like nintendo. it happened to ninty now itis going to happen to sony.


439 - One Eyed Extremism?
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 08:09
Why when anyone makes a comment which shows Sony or the PS3 in a less than positive light are they immediately labelled a Microsoft fanboy and directed to the Xbox 360 sites? If I have something to say about the PS3 I say it here. If I have something to say about the Xbox 360 I say it in the affiliate site.

Surely the place for all discussion on the PS3 positive or negative is here. It might sound unbelievable to single console zealots like yourselves but not all video game players are one eyed fanatcics like yourselves and can see good and bad in all current consoles and those that are yet to come.

If all you want to hear is stuff that makes you feel good about Sony then I suggest it is you that needs to go somewhere else. Perhaps their investor relations site as that will fulfill all your needs.


440 - #438
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 09:36
if 360 is a beast,PS3 will be a red dragon.
"sony may end up in the hand held market like nintendo. it happened to ninty now it is going to happen to sony." ..F**CK OFF!! what do you smoke?! Sony is and will be the KING,FOREVER!!
but MS is going down because everyday more and more people in the world are using LINUX! HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


441 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 10:06
xbox 2 will have no chance against the ps3

442 - ~440
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 10:06
i smoke good sh1t man . and my eyes are open (not like you blind fanboys)
i take the info on each console . weigh up the said info then i make a ballanced
choice .and i am drawn to the 360 .
you never know what is going to happen with every generation jump in consoles
SEGA used to be the king of consoles( NOW THEY ARE ONLY SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS) then it went to NINTENDO (THEY GOT TOO BIG HEADED by trying to dictate what the consumer should buy) then sony came along with the ps1 then the ps2 they held the crown,then the ps2 had to share the limelight with the xbox , (microsoft was still learning about the console market with that console.
then comes the 360 and the ps3 (imo nintendo is a niche market they should stick to handhelds)

all you ps fanboys were first in line to shout from the rooftops about how ugly the xbox was. but now the shoe is on the other foot the ps3 is one ugly looking console and i dont care what anyone says that ps3 controller looks stupid.
the best controller ever (imo) is the controller s for the xbox then its the n64 controller then i would say the duel shock.
if you cant take the heat you better get out of the kitchen.
of any one disses sony you all scream "MICROSOFT MADE THEM DO IT , THEY PAYED THEM TO SAY IT ...YADA YADA YADA" . and when sony tell you lies you all believe them . they lied about the emotion engine they are lying about the cell yet you lap it all up with out seeing one piece of actual game footage.
then ou all try to be clever and go on about "vector units and shader pipelines"
bullshite the only people who know anything are the developers they have to program the damn things .
so the ps3 launches in 6 months . and still this news article has been here for weeks(it makes me laugh) that the only news on a ps3 fansite is about developers leaving . hahahhahaha where are all these new games, where is the gameplay footage????? how much will the console cost, how much are the games??
YOUR ALL QUICK TO Q


443 - ~440
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 10:08
i smoke good sh1t man . and my eyes are open (not like you blind fanboys)
i take the info on each console . weigh up the said info then i make a ballanced
choice .and i am drawn to the 360 .
you never know what is going to happen with every generation jump in consoles
SEGA used to be the king of consoles( NOW THEY ARE ONLY SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS) then it went to NINTENDO (THEY GOT TOO BIG HEADED by trying to dictate what the consumer should buy) then sony came along with the ps1 then the ps2 they held the crown,then the ps2 had to share the limelight with the xbox , (microsoft was still learning about the console market with that console.
then comes the 360 and the ps3 (imo nintendo is a niche market they should stick to handhelds)

all you ps fanboys were first in line to shout from the rooftops about how ugly the xbox was. but now the shoe is on the other foot the ps3 is one ugly looking console and i dont care what anyone says that ps3 controller looks stupid.
the best controller ever (imo) is the controller s for the xbox then its the n64 controller then i would say the duel shock.
if you cant take the heat you better get out of the kitchen.
of any one disses sony you all scream "MICROSOFT MADE THEM DO IT , THEY PAYED THEM TO SAY IT ...YADA YADA YADA" . and when sony tell you lies you all believe them . they lied about the emotion engine they are lying about the cell yet you lap it all up with out seeing one piece of actual game footage.
then ou all try to be clever and go on about "vector units and shader pipelines"
bullshite the only people who know anything are the developers they have to program the damn things .
so the ps3 launches in 6 months . and still this news article has been here for weeks(it makes me laugh) that the only news on a ps3 fansite is about developers leaving . hahahhahaha where are all these new games, where is the gameplay footage????? how much will the console cost, how much are the games??
YOUR ALL QUICK TO QUOTE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW , YET YOU ALL KNOW ABSOLUTLY NOTHING ABOUT THE PS3.


444 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 10:20
27 october, write it in your agenda people !!! en omg @ comment above, drawn to the xbox, yeah, well then im drawn to the ps3 and btw imo is ps3 more beautiful than xbox1.5

445 -
Unregistered - wotter 10.08.2005 10:24
lol read this people:

He played a recent extremely high-resolution trailer in real-time, occasionally pausing to swing the camera around or turn on or off various effects. To be fair, the scene in question was clearly a cut-scene, calculated to show off just how many polygons the PS3 can throw around; it's still a lot of polygons, though.

Each model, Worch claimed, contained somewhere between 100,000 and 170,000 triangles. Each had a bunch of other special maps and lighting applied, and the main character was built up with "over ten textures". He compared this to an estimated 10,000 for characters in Gears of War and other recent high-res games. The high-res models, meanwhile, that got dithered down to produce the in-game models, ran up around 5,000,000 triangles.

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20051007/waugh_01.shtml
1 word: awesome !!! :)


446 - #442
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 10:49
"and my eyes are open not like you blind fanboys"----- strange to hear this from a MS follower!
"and i am drawn to the 360"------- good for you,now you can enjoy it and leave us alone.
"SEGA used to be the king of consoles NOW THEY ARE ONLY SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS then it went to NINTENDO THEY GOT TOO BIG HEADED by trying to dictate what the consumer should buy"-------you're comparing sega to sony?! Sony is a huge giant and a respected brand with hundreds of billions of capital who is present in many markets and businesses!they just own many famous hollywood studios! what the heck are you smoking?!?!?! by the way, in case you didn't know, Nintendo is a very popular and healthy company and they will be in the console market with the Revolution. this generation they made profit on every console they sold not just games! (contrary to Sony & MS).
"all you ps fanboys were first in line to shout from the rooftops about how ugly the xbox was. but now the shoe is on the other foot the ps3 is one ugly looking console and i dont care what anyone says that ps3 controller looks stupid."----------sony's design is very stylish and futuristic,360's design is very good too but i prefer the PS3 design. and the controller is a mockup.
"of any one disses sony you all scream "MICROSOFT MADE THEM DO IT , THEY PAYED THEM TO SAY IT ...YADA YADA YADA and when sony tell you lies you all believe them . they lied about the emotion engine they are lying about the cell yet you lap it all up with out seeing one piece of actual game footage"---------this article that xbox fans copy and paste for millions of times comes from MS itself.do you say sony-toshiba-ibm are wasting billions of dollars for nothing?! and are lying?! the Cell isn't just from sony and will be used in toshiba TVs,ibm servers,PS3 and many other products.again,what the heck do you smoke?!!?



447 - #445,446
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 11:56
i never said i was an ms fanboy??
the controller a mock up dont make me laugh.
a very futuristic design (god i just fell off my sofa laughing) it looks like a
george foreman grill. (open it up and put yer burgers in while you play.)

and 445 i rest my case(lapit up boys), do you know what the word "claimed" means ????

so what your saying is each character model in mgs4 will consist of
5 million tringles ??? (5.000.000) cos thats what you just wrote.(they didnt even use that many polys in the models in the incredibles)
10 thousand triangles in gears of war ???? eh. put it this way
pgr3 the polygon count for each car consists of 160 thousand polygons
80 thousand on the outside and 80 thousand on the inside thats on a first gen 360 game (notice the word game not trailer or pre render it a game)
once again mgs4 "trailer" aint on final hardware.and so what if the cell is gonna be used in tv's and servers ,your point is exactly???? that big companys never mess up???? more fool you .
you all seem to think games never existed b4 sony
and yes i was comparing sony to sega , sega used to be a console manufacturer also thy made software and all the arcade systems they made they were worh billions once you muppet. and nintendo made a loss on evey game cube sold they only make their mony in the handheld market. just get your facts straight just like micro soft did with the xbox and sony with the ps1&2 . they make their revenue on software sales , so seeing as the game cube was i big dissaster (ie they didnt sell vey many) not many games sold on that system , they didnt make a profit on the gamecube (its simple math)


448 - True Gamers read this...................
Unregistered - Gh0stDrag0n 10.08.2005 12:02
Does anyone know how much a 1080p HDTV costs? Personally I think both Microsoft and Sony have jumped the gun on HD consoles, For a good 720p HDTV your looking at $2000 to $4000 and 1080p HDTVs are $4000 to $6000! Not everyone has that kind of cash. I see Gamestop.com has a XBOX360 Bundle with a 42" DELL Plasma for $4500, Thats Phuckin Crazy!!! If you do a little research Plasma HDTVs are not sutable for gaming! they have a nasty habit of "burning in". ( by the way the bundle is from Gamestop NOT Microsoft.) I can't believe a company like Gamestop would try and sell this to us gamers, only someone who has no clue about new tech would buy this. More than likely Gamestop will do the same thing with Sonys PS3. DO NOT SHOP AT GAMESTOP, they do not have any warnings on their website about the possability of a plasma burning in. It seems to me like all they want is our money and could give a $hit less if the products they sell us could be damaged by using them for what they are sold for. And who in their right mind would buy anything from DELL anyway?
HDTVs are getting cheeper and hopefully 1080p HDTVs will be alot cheeper by the time the PS3 comes out. If you plan on getting a LCD make shure it has a low response time (<16ms) or you will have problems with "ghosting". Older model DLP HDTVs have a problem called "rainbow effect" with fast movement. If you plan on getting a DLP get a new model (Gen5+) with a faster color wheel.

I will probley wait for the PS3 until I get my 1080p HDTV. I already have a 720p Samsung LCD for the XBOX360 (awesome computer monitor too). Just do a little research before you spend big bucks on a HDTV.

Lookin' foreword to a new age of gaming, on all 3 game consoles.
True Gamers Rule


.....................Knowledge is Power........................................


449 -
Unregistered - silly sausage 10.08.2005 12:02
PGR3 has 80k in total, 40k outside 40k inside, but 5 million on snake is a joke PS fans in a world of their own again, best leave them to it.

450 -
Unregistered - sosage 10.08.2005 12:10
true sony has dual out puts for 2 1080p hdtv's woot! your gonna need some cash to get the best out of that machine, while on the other hand MS has a single 1080i which is already in circulation and quite cheap too, i have the samsung le26r51bd LCD HDTV 480p 720p 1080i 8 milliseconds at just £599, when a 1080p set will cost you in the region of £1700 for a ok one ooohhhhhh, sony boys just got owned again.

451 - STUPID
Unregistered - PS3 Fan 10.08.2005 12:23
#442 the name of the contoller for PS2 is DUAL SHOCK NOT DUEL SHOCK...

452 - # 451
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 12:29
when you sony boys have no response you resort to picking out peoples spelling mistakes, way to go chumps.

453 - Really...
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 12:47
Think of a good comeback PS3 Fan...

454 - thanks # 428
Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.08.2005 13:04
thanks for commenting on my last comment. you said that microsoft was bashing the ps2 because it wasnt as powerful. I though that they were both great systems. Dont you think that the same is happening with the ps3 and xbox 360? I am a xbox360 fanboy and it doesnt matter. There are many other Xbox360 fanboys and there are many other ps3 fanboys. All you are doing is putting down each others opinions. Thats not really cool.

455 - Fanboy???????
Unregistered - Gh0stDrag0n 10.08.2005 13:22
Fanboys suck...............If you really are a TRUE GAMER you play regardless of brand. Games are what really matters, not this fanboy bullshit.
It is not good if Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo stop making systems. The only loosers would be us GAMERS.


456 - to #447
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 13:49
yes the controller isn't finalized you moron,sony said it not me!
about their design,yeah,PS3 design is fantastic and i love it. if you don't like it,it's your problem. trashtalking is easy, i can say:360 is like a DAMN RECEIVER! is it good now?! about the cell: my point was that you can't compare it to the emotion engine. it is a huge project for future computing from three major companies in the industry.it's a revolutionary new cpu. how butthead you xbox fans are?? PS3 will be a technological masterpiece ,you only deny it you blind morons! in your opinion; cell is bad,blu-ray isn't worthy,rsx is trash, it's design is rubbish.......,OK assholes,i'm not gonna waste a damn single second of my time on arguing with you anymore. live in your fantasy world and please don't buy the PS3! because it'll be in shortage and all the world will want it.so make our lives easy and buy your toybox and enjoy it. you are just a small percentage of the gamers community while we are the majority.


457 - no show sony!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 14:01
lol nearly 500 comments but still no links to any PS3 media, no in-game screenshots or gameplay, it makes me laugh when you cant even see how sony is pulling the wool over your tiny little eyes. oh and how exactly does the 360 look like a receiver?

PS3 = george foreman
PS3 controller = batarang/banana phone

360 = crafted work of art
360 controller = ign said it was the best controller they have ever played with


458 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 14:46
DOA4 does not look like a next gen game, at its best, it is probably 5% better looking than tekken 5. Tekken 5 is out on a 5 year old system!!! Imaagine what tekken 6 is gonna look like on the ps3. 360 is a piece of garbage people. Just think about it, and wait for the ps3.

459 - Real News
Punk Street 10.08.2005 15:32
You guys seem to be stuck on this problem about which console is better and frankly I came back because I was looking for some sources on the ps3 to know how development's going.

First off the media is a piece of trash all it's good for these days is staying away from the truth and not giving a definite answer to problems in the world or certain issue's.

On February 2006 they're is going to be definite answer on how the situation of the ps3 is doing, some kind of event for the console and games, I don't know which day it is but it's a ps3 event in Japan so that should give a definite anwser to everyting and the price.


460 - another source - Valve
Unregistered - Alex 10.08.2005 16:04
<A href="http://adultgamingenthusiasts.com/Home/tabid/36/newsid383/149/Gabe-Newell-Interview-Next-Gen-Frustration-/Default.aspx">Good Read ...

461 - PS3 pad to be re-worked and games playable soon
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 16:32
"September 28, 2005

Sony Discusses PS3, February Event Switch
Japan's Weekly Famitsu magazine has published an interview with Sony Computer Entertainment Japan's Corporate Executive Masatsuka Saeki, discussing both the PlayStation 3's Tokyo Game Show presence, and prospects for PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 in the coming months.

Elements of the interview translated by U.S. consumer website IGN reveal that Sony decided not to show playable games at Tokyo Game Show, despite Ken Kutagari's previous insistence that this would happen, since it was the first time the PlayStation 3 would appear in Japan, and the company wanted to replicate the significant buzz caused by the E3 launch of the PS3.

In addition, Saeki reveals in rather non-specific fashion that a February 2006 Japanese event intended to showcase playable PS3 games has been re-arranged, but that a "secret" alternative is being readied that may surprise players. Both elements of Saeki's comments have led online analysts to speculate that most PlayStation 3 software is still relatively early in development, at least compared to many already-playable Xbox 360 titles. But it's clear, by referencing Neil Young's comments at the Tokyo Game Show, among others, that PlayStation 3 is actively being developed on at major publishers such as Electronic Arts, and at least some playable PS3 software is likely to be shown in early 2006.

Sony's next-gen PlayStation 3 console is currently due for a "Spring 2006" target date, but no specific date or territorial pricing has yet been revealed, with a Sony spokesperson recently clarifying: "We have not yet announced detailed launch dates for each region." The company has also made it clear that not all of the design elements for the PS3 are yet complete, with the console's controller, in particular, still due for possible change."

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6671

So there you have it, no next gen banana controller, and playable games in FEB 06, but what is this secret even I wonder? could they possibly show playable games just befor X360 launch, to hinder sales of X360?


462 - MS WILL BE CRUSHED LIKE A BUG AGAIN!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:10
GO SONY! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WE ARE WAITING FOR THE GLORIOUS REVOLUTIONARY PLAYSTATION 3!!!!!!!!WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! LONG LIVE SONY!!!!!!!!!!!JAPAN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

463 - i love X360 i sh*t on PS3
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:15
when is X360 launch? i cant wait to get my penus out and stick it to that awsome machine i want to cum all over the controller and in the drive bay im goin to show that 360 how much i love it AAAWWWSSSOME!!! oh btw, PS3 SUX ASS BIG TIME!!!

464 - to #434
Unregistered - someone 10.08.2005 17:25
most of the games shown on the xbox360 at E3 were using about one fifth of the consoles power. The time the DOA4 trailer was made, the game was 15% complete. Most of the games(like gears of war for example), were early in development. Even now the gears of war trailer, the one shown at TGS and X05 (which I'll admit failed to surprise me) was running on only one of the X360's cores. That's why it looks PC like. (I plan on buying all three consoles because I don't want to miss out on playing good games on any console, like what happened this gen. I only bought xbox because my sister got the PS2 an my parrents were not going to buy another one. I only liked it because of Halo, Halo 2 and Ninja Gaiden). E3 was five months ago, yet they STILL made people play games that were not even halfway through development. If they did it, sony has no reason not to cause its so powerful that they can let people see actual gameplay NOW and have it look way better than the 360 right? That way, people will be truly amased, knowing that this thing is still on alpha kits and not using the final hardware and that the graphics could only get better when final hardware comes in December.

465 -
Unregistered - someone 10.08.2005 17:29
it also goesto #435


466 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:40
anyone, links to PS3 media???????????????

467 - You've been fooled: M$ lies to gamers
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:42
T # 464 the games were run on 2 apple mac PC's each containing a G5 processor and 6800 ultra's, dont forget X360 has only the equivelent of 1 6800 and its not as good as the ultra:

"developers had to significantly reduce the image quality of their demos - which explains their lack luster appearance. Anti-aliasing wasn't enabled on any of the demos, while the final Xbox 360 console will have 4X AA enabled on all titles"

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5

So X360 games could look worse


468 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:45
WOW! this realy does look next gen for X360 http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/2005/E3/day1/xbox360/demo.jpg

469 - PRICELESS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:48
Hideo Kojima

”If the game creators and the users want to have a great steak for their anniversary, they go maybe to PS3. But if they want great dinner, great steak with their family, a little bit more casual during the weekends, they might select Xbox 360. Or why not have a great steak at your house everyday, they might choose Revolution.”

Ken Kutaragi

"I'm aware that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price that's targeted towards households. I think everyone can still buy it if they wanted to," said Kutaragi to a mostly Japanese crowd. "But we're aiming for consumers throughout the world. So we're going to have to do our best (in containing the price)."


470 - sony lies.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 17:59
Kojima & Kutaragi are absolute nutz, also realise fanboi's PS3 has a 10 year life cycle, so even though there is not much difference between 360 & PS3, in 5 years when MS roll out there next machine your going to get stung by sony again, because they will have to release a new console to keep up with the competition, which will cut PS3's life in half and that means you pay more on top of what you already have. this is how sony works dont you understand.

sony is 60+ billion in debt they lie through their teeth for your cash.

bill gates is the richest man in the world he does'nt need our cash.


471 - POS3
Unregistered - lll 10.08.2005 18:03
Here are all the bad things about POS 3

http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36

enjoy


472 - these are the real gfx of 360
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:09
http://www.xboxyde.com/gallery_1868_en.html

http://www.xboxyde.com/gallery_1914_en.html

http://www.xboxyde.com/gallery_1887_en.html

now show me some real PS3 gfx not fake.


473 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:14
one good thing about sony... they don't show things that look like sh1t

474 - To all you PS3 fools
Unregistered - 360 will be The One 10.08.2005 18:16
You PS3 morons are in for a shock this time around, more people are waking up to the Sony BS and looking at the 360 as a real alternative and rightly so, the PS3 is a pile of over-hyped garbage, surely some of you fool morons must be have doubts this time, if not then you all deserve to be playing Metal Gear Geriatric 4, Devil May Cry 4 etc, Gran Tourismo 4 etc (plus all the other sequela that are no doubt been worked on), don't you want anything original on your new console, oh wait, that's right, all the good exclusives are on the 360, never mind at least you have Warhawk (ho ho).

just log onto a 360 site, that way you will at least be able to read about all the exciting games and good times that the real next gen gamers are playing. Have fun you silly twats.

Incidentally can't wait to read all your moronic replies, please post back and tell me how the PS3 is the best, how Cell is so much better that the 360 CPU (even though Steve Jobs said it's a piece of sh*t), we are all agreed the Xenos GPU is better than the off the shelf 7800 GPU you have (that's a fact morons, just in case you didn't know that) and please tell me how Blu ray is going to save the day!!!


475 - just one more.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:17
http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen-hires/43147/NBA-2K6/

c'mon sony biatches gimme some PS3 media so i can see how wonderfull it is.


476 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:20
7800(not RSX) beats the shiit out the X360 GPU(thats a fact)

477 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:21
Sony havent shown any gameplay yet because they are gonna wipe the floor with X360 with its playable content, by that time all you dumb fools will have wasted your money, enjoy your Xbox 1.5

478 - # 473
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:22
explain the PS3 then, coz that is one big steamin pile of sh!t.

479 - Why the Xbox 360 Missed the Boat with the Xbox 360?
Unregistered - Firewarrior 10.08.2005 18:22

from:http://www.ps3power.com/ps3willchangegaming.htm


A lot of noise has been made about the graphics capabilities of the Playstation 3, the XBox 360, and the Revolution. Sony stunned much of the E3 crowd with eye candy showing off Killzone PS3, Fight Night 3, Motor Storm, and more. A quick overview of the demos lead many people thinking that the PS3 is all about amazing graphics.

ATI recently spoke up saying that the XBox 360 will have the same graphics capabilities, if not better than the PS3. This is an impressive feat. Surely Microsoft has the killer console if they have a slight edge in graphics. Right?

I really don't think so.

The PS3 will have amazing processing power under the hood. The Cell processor will be able to calculate at 2.0 TFLOPS compared to the XBox 360s 1 TFLOP. Who cares. This isn't going to effect the graphics, so who cares? Right? That's exactly what Microsoft is hoping people will be thinking and saying.

Sony has made a very deliberate move towards real time calculations, and that is why the extra processing oooomph was a Sony priority. When fully realized (and tweaked by game developers), this will make for a FAR more immersing gaming experience than can be offered on the XBox 360.

"Other companies may have HD [high definition] graphics, but the internals are the same," explains Sony Computer Entertainment chief Ken Kutaragi. "For the most part, they don't do calculations. For the most part, they don't do physics -- they just add movement through motion capture. Even if you can't tell the difference with a quick glance at the visuals, this difference is something that can be immediately understood."

Let's take an E3 demo, and take it a bit further to get the idea. Sony showed a gas station blowing up in real time with real physics and all calculations happening on the fly. Scraps of debris and materials fly in a realistic manner. Now say you move the explosion source a bit to the back. Different explosion with different paths of debris in the air. This is no longer a generic explosion like in games past. Players in future PS3 games can expect to get injured by varying degrees based on what actually hits you in an explosion. Games no longer are as predictable. Some of this has been introduced into games, but not nearly to the extent that Sony has envisioned.

A game like Tekken could have injuries to a player that effects their attack moves depending on how badly they are hurt and WHERE. They might not be able to pull off a move because their knee can no longer take the weight. You could have moves failing to varying degrees because of an injury and the severity of it.

There is also the whole can of worms to open with AI (Artificial Intelligence). Double the processing power means smarter enemies, and more of them with different strategies. The Cell will be able to handle far more complex AI routines. The XBox 360 may be able to display the same amount of soldiers on screen at once beautifully, but they will be bit more dumb, and a bit more predictable.

Again, that's not to say that the things mentioned here have not been introduced before in games. But Sony is planning to blow the doors off, and can do so with the Cell processor. They have changed their focus from graphics to immersion and variability.

Creating these real time varying game play experiences will take time though for PS3 developers. It's never really been done before, at least not to this extent. Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima has stated in a recent interview with Boom Town that he is not sure if developers will be able to live up to Sony's expectations on PlayStation 3. At least not initially.

Expect to not see much of a difference in first generation games for both systems. It will be more noticeable once the PS3 developers start learning how to take advantage of the Cell's awesome processing power. Look to see some games emerging in year 2 and 3 of the PS3 cycle before you start seeing a more serious performance leap in gaming experiences in favor of Sony's powerhouse Playstation 3.

Let ATI and Microsoft brag all they want about unified shaders and a graphics advantage. They are missing the boat on what most gamers want. Not JUST prettier graphics, but a more immersing, fun, gaming experience. Once again, Microsoft thinks they can just copy what someone is doing, and make it bigger or faster without any of their own innovation (Follow the history of Windows). Luckily companies like Sony look to lead and try new things. And we the gamers should be grateful for that.



480 - 360 sucks
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:23
Can somebody give some good looking X360 footage, i don't now where i can find it

481 - # 479
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:27
you fanboi's dont accept qoutes from MS sites so why even bother pasting that obviously biased review?

482 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:28
To # 475 Sony will show you media when they are ready, by that time you will be wishing you had waited to spend your cash. non of the images you have shown are in-game, they are dev shots (much higher resolution to the final product)

483 - #477 they have shown gameplay
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:30
Heavenly sword, warhawk, I-8, sonic, Gundam are gameplay

I-8 witch looks like crap wipes the floor with anything X360 has shown


484 - WATCH THIS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:31
THIS IS AN AWSOME VIDEO

http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36


485 - I can't wait for..........
Unregistered - J Allard 10.08.2005 18:34
PGR3, Oblivion, Call of Duty 2, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero and Gears of War, oh hold, none of these are coming out on PS3, sorry, wrong site, how silly of me

486 - DANG
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:38
PGR3, Oblivion, Call of Duty 2, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero and Gears of War are all X360 exclusive. ooops... Oblivion, Call of Duty 2 and Gears of War are also PC so why spend money Xflop 1,5 when i already can have better graphics on my PC

487 - remember this sony fanboi's
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:39
"The PlayStation2 is going to be THE single most kick-butt system ever, with 90 million polygons per second blazing across the screen, or more. It's going to have the most amazing and realistic imagery ever seen, the best game library ever, and in the future, you'll be able to do everything with it from browsing the Web to recording TV shows, and much, much more. Don't even bother with the Dreamcast..."

488 - M$ tell lies again
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:42
To # 484 a quick look in google and you will see that a blu-ray drive for PS3 will cost Sony £100 for every PS3 not $1000, see how M$ lie out of their arses now? http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-39,GGLG:en&q=PS3+blu%2Dray+%24100

489 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:43
that was meant to be $100 not pounds

490 - 488 WTF
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:45
ROFL, that is not Peter Moore actually talking

491 - #512
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:46
You suck #512

492 - # 476
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:49
Sony's top-notch GPU doesn't have enough bandwidth to be run at full speed, and it's architecture is a generation behind. After nVidia said the Xenos' unified shader architecture was "not the way forward" they announced a new unified shader architecture chip.

493 - Don't write the RSX off!!
Unregistered - Firewarrior 10.08.2005 18:49
We know nothing about the RSX! it is still under development! don't you think it is somehow fishy that nvidia and sony don't brag so much about it? i bet that RSX will be a supercharged 7800GTX with custom and advanced features! this certainly will be monsterous so don't write it off!

494 - # 486
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:53
Idiot, I guess that's why both devlopers of Call of Duty 2 and Oblivion have both said that their games will be superior graphically on the 360, the PC is not the best games platform, even the PS3 is superior, deal with it, get over it.

495 - 488
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:58
ok... it was Peter Moore talking

496 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 18:58
To # 490

ROFL he did say those things about blu-ray, the presenter of G4 is takeing the piss out of M$ for saying dumb ass sh1t.


497 - i know that 496
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 19:09
I should go get some rest...

498 - # 496
Unregistered - You all make me laugh 10.08.2005 19:10
G4 taking the piss out of someone else for talking complete and utter bullsh*t???? Now if that isn't hypocrisy then please show me what is....mind you.............now that you PS3 goons mention it............
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/index.html?sid=6132059


499 - Don't miss this
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 19:15
THIS IS AN AWSOME VIDEO

http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36


500 - wow...
Unregistered - poopmouth 10.08.2005 19:17
I didnt know being a xbox fan made you a psychic? why is it that every xbox fanboy on this site somehow "knows" that their machine is gonna be better than the PS3. hell, the $hitbox isnt even out yet. oh, and as for those "screenshots" everybody loves so much, i have one word for you, xbox 1.5. cuz, sorry im not that impressed if thats all they got to offer. now, on the other hand, if sony can come close to what they have shown, are you kidding me, it wont even gonna be close.

501 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 19:21
To # 498 the G4 presenter was simply saying killzone 2 video was better than Xbox video, he didnt say killzone would look like that ingame if thats what your saying. He also said Perfect Dark Zero was the best playable demo, but didnt scream next gen, and its true, it doesnt.

502 - it's like this
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.08.2005 19:39
Sony ain't sh*t,as a matter of fact last time i checked MS was running these streets, man i don't even need a PS3 to sh*t on, the 360 is so strong, it's like diamonds shinnin under 10 suns. 360 you know the name, the numba 1 stunna , leave all of ya wondering ans shivering like it's winter. 360 is like a thermo nuclear warhead, ready to explode and oblitarte every PS3 fans into the ages. Look it's Mr Billgates he got 40 billion dollars, oh can i suck your d*ck. No you PS3 fans must be g*y or somethin, get a hold of his d*ck.

503 - # 501
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 19:41
Sorry, is this the same G4 that was blown away by Killzone 2 in E3 and believed that it was ingame? (along with a bunch of PS3 suckers?). G4 are owned by Comcast which is in turn in a partnership with.......wait for it.........Sony!!! Enough said.

Ken Katarugi loves you all, because as long as chumps like you are out there, they'll continue to make money $$$$$


504 - Get the hell out of here you x-bot losers
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 19:42
and don't even try to convince us to buy that crapbox. i'd rather upgrade my PC and wait for the PS3.

505 - Not you again
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 19:47
Hey PS3player, you said the exact same thing on xbox360news.com, learn to type a few new things rather than just cutting and pasting everytime(did you learn that in your Word 101 class?). You are a perfect candidate for owning a PS3...........

Incidentally I was amused to see that most of yuor posts had been deleted and marks as 'useless', moron......

Damn I hate PS3 and all you morons, such a bunch of bloody idiots


506 - 505
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 20:00
"Incidentally I was amused to see that most of yuor posts had been deleted and marks as 'useless'"

what do you mean by that?
by the way, this fella only steals others posts and changes some words like PS3 and xbox360.the webmaster must ban motherf***ers like him.


507 - PS3 images
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 20:04
look like sh1t to me what you think?

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761163/img_2927612.html


508 - 507
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 20:12
this is armored core 4 and is a multiplatform game (PS3 & 360). it is awesome! are you high or something?!

509 - Dont be a Freak
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward360 10.08.2005 20:15
Sony fanboys dont cry and say M$ paid this sight to put that ps3 is losing developers because they are...by the way i support xbox360 and i do believe in this artical...overall dont be feaks and say oooh ps3 is better than the xbox360 and same goes for M$ fanboys live myself...dont be freak i am sick of this ****...just play games and have fun =) nuff said!

510 - T0 # 504
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 20:15
I already got a decent PC, but yea a PC upgrade would be better than wasteing money on X360, I'm waiting for the games, thats more important for a console, PS3 has better everything next gen, 360 has nothing.

511 - My oh My
Unregistered - Bill Gates 10.08.2005 20:40
Is it just me or are all the PS3 goons scared of something...........something that begins with a '3' and ends with a '60'?..........

And as for PC games, don't get me started, I LOVE the idea of paying $2500 for a machine that cannot match either 360 OR PS3 (though it pains me to include the PS3 in that sentance.......)


512 - Something I mentioned earlier
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 20:57
I mentioned that programers dont need to buy tools they can make their own, here is one example:

"Tools Programmer
Great tools make great games. We're looking for talented programmers who can help develop and architect the many tools that we need going into our next generation of games. We need a strong candidate that can help us implement our next-generation pipelines, including getting complex shaders written in CgFX and HLSL into data that the run-time system can use.
Experience writing parsers and possibly optimizing compilers is preferred. Having an interest in and having written ray-tracers and/or global illumination systems is a huge plus. We will also accept applicants who enjoy a mix of both working on tools and working on run-time, since we have plenty of work to do in both areas. Strong C++ skills are highly preferred, and this person should have a good fundamental 3D math skills. Experience with compression schemes and 3D spatial data structures are also very desirable."

This is Naughty Dog advertising for a Tools programmer, here is the link http://www.naughtydog.com/corporate/Jobs.html
the advert is at the very bottom of the page


513 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 21:03
To # 511 is that how much you bought your PC for? I can make one for a fraction of that cost that will kill the X360.

514 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 21:14
Not only that, but whatever I go over on spending on hardware, i will make back in software prices X360 games $60 PC games $20

515 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 21:30
No one on here is scared of X360, but their are quite a few afraid of PS3 even though it hasn't shown any gameplay footage yet, why else do Xbox propagandists come here?

516 - Oh really?
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 21:54
To 513, list the specs oft his 360 killer please (can't wait!)

to 515, we come to this site for the exact same reason PS3 morons come to ours - to amuse ourselves


517 - # 500
Unregistered - maccdaddy 10.08.2005 22:43
since you getting on xbox 360 fans about their opinions ,how do you know that the xbox 360 will be worse than the ps3 or visa verse? Stop! you dont know anymore than anyone else. none of you do.

518 - DAMN
Unregistered - DISCIPLE 111 10.08.2005 22:43
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OO WEE I SURE WOULDNT WANT TA PISS OFF ONE OF YOU GUYS ON THE STREET YA JUST MIGHT BLOW MY HEAD SMOOTH OFF WITH YA BIG WORDS AND YA SMALL DIFFICULT WORDS, DAMN.
LOL.
I WISH YALL COULD SEE HOW MANY GIRLZ IS LAUGHIN AT YALL RIGHT NOW AT MY CRIB.
AIGHT IM A LIL BIZZY DUTY CALLS. YALL TWO BE CAREFULL THE WORDS YA USIN COULD REALLY SCARE OR HURT SUMONE REMEBER THERE MIGHT BE CHILDREN LOOKIN AT THESE SITES DONT WANT TA SCAR EM FOR LIFE DO YA HAAAAA.


519 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.08.2005 23:18
So Sony has better everything how can u say that when u have seen no gameplay footage?? Just my opinion i must be wrong though PS3 fans must have some secret site were they have seen the gameplay.

520 - Hey Disciple, English do you speak it?
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 00:33
Instead of reading posts on videogame sites, try reading a grammar book. It will help you when you apply for that job as "fry guy" at Jack-in-the-Box. As for the girls in your room, you better deflate them and stick them under your bed, your mom's on her way home. Also, stop trying to sound hard, we all know your sitting in front of your computer with your junk tucked between your legs, wearing nothing but your sisters panties.

521 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 00:39
To # 519 Look at the specs dumb ass the transistor counts are much higher on PS3 X360 GPU is equivelent of GF6800, RSX is equivelent of GF7800GTX which has similar performance to 2 GF6800 ultra's in SLI, PS3 kick's X360's Ass now fuck of to where you crawled from, all you dumb ass Xfreak fanboys.

522 - what!?
Unregistered - poopmouth 10.09.2005 00:51
pretty sure i didnt claim either would be better than the other....hmmm, nope, sure didnt....yeah, pretty sure i said "if". idiot. next time read the post, then type. derrr.

523 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 00:53
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524 - damn...
Unregistered - poopmouth 10.09.2005 00:57
nice work #523, you really showed all us ps3 fans...i guess the ps3 must really suck afterall....i guess all it took for me to realize this was you repeating it 685 times. thank you.....twat

525 - 520
Unregistered - Disciple 10.09.2005 01:01
HELL NO I DONT SPEEK NO ENGLISH. WHAT I NEED THAT FO? I'SE JUST GONNA SIT ON MY ASS ALL DAY AND MAKES FUN OF YALL. YO IS SHO NUFF RIGHT THO. I IS HOPING TO GET THAT JOB AT THE J I B. THEY PROBABLY ONLY START ME OFF WITH A MOP THO. I'SE TOO STUPID FO ANYTHING ELSES.

526 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 01:02
To # 522 No you didnt but there is no need for gameplay, we already know that the games will be better from the specs and transistor counts. MGS4 was demonstrated and confirmed by Hideo kojima that it was ingame footage, Kojima always uses the same engine for cutscense, dont you Xbots ever listen? your all fucking dumb, look at the dumbass above me # 521, your all stupid.

527 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 01:04
Actualy I meant #523 your all dumb asses

528 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 01:09
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529 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 01:15
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530 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 01:19
to # 528 Look who is talking, typing the same crap over and over again, you realy are the dumbest ass on here, go play with your lego's or something, cos your too young for any console yet, I'm surprised your even allowed on the PC, damn what an Xturd.

531 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 01:42
To # 525 What did you come her for again? you dont even make any sence, is you pretending to be some nigga? talk to the hand cos da face aint listening innit? LOL!

532 - When will this post end?
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 02:02
Jeez this post is growing faster than the weeds in my garden lol. I cant believe all the flameing in here, what is wrong with you all, Xbox fans have completely attacked this place because of this story "PS3 Losing Support from Developers?" its a question that no one knows yet, developers are a bit confused as to whether or not to stick with PS3, they are waiting to see how much Sony are going to charge for the console, if its too high, they will go to X360. There, end of story.

533 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 02:40
HEY 360 FANS, THAT G4 CLIP SAYS IT BEST TO ALL OF YOU. PS3 TOTALLY KICKED 360'S ASS. HOW HUMILIATING WAS THAT, THAT IDIOT PETER MOORE HAD THE NERVE TO SAY STUPID SHLT LIKE THAT. YOU GUYS SHOULD FEEL SOO STUPID NOW.

534 - TO # 533
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 03:49
I agree about the video, her ya go again all you dumb Xfanny's out there http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36

535 - Credit to the poster
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 04:02
I think this needs posting again too

a quick look in google and you will see that a blu-ray drive for PS3 will cost Sony $100 for every PS3 not $1000, see how M$ lie out of their arses now? http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-39,GGLG:en&q=PS3+blu%2Dray+%24100


536 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 09:44
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537 - TO WEBMASTER
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 09:45
PLEASE DELETE THESE POSTS LIKE #529,IF YOU DON'T BAN THEM!

538 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 09:48
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539 - dragn avengr
Unregistered - umm, i think i need to make sure.. this 10.09.2005 10:09
hey 360 FAN, look at you favo g@y guy.... fukn already starting lie up there ass already. Blue-Ray cost 1000Buck. LOL, even sony comapny say that goingt o cost 100buck.

here the link again. u see how loser they are http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36

I almost forgot guys. u hear the latest new about Blu-Ray Vs HD DVD. PS3 fans Guess what.... BLU-RAY WON, HD DVD got no change of winning aggin blu-ray. but only bad news about blu-ray is that they only release on ps3 (only on PS3) for gaming only.... they not going to coming out on that market yet until next year or 2007. well yeah. having fun


540 -
Unregistered - Closed 10.09.2005 10:14
Thread closed: let us all be friends again and enjoy our consoles :)

________________________________________________________


541 - umm, i think i need to make sure..
Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.09.2005 10:15
OOOP,

hey 360 FAN, look at you favo g@y guy.... fukn already starting lie up there ass already. Blue-Ray cost 1000Buck. LOL, even sony comapny say that goingt o cost 100buck.

here the link again. u see how loser they are http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36

I almost forgot guys. u hear the latest new about Blu-Ray Vs HD DVD. PS3 fans Guess what.... BLU-RAY WON, HD DVD got no change of winning aggin blu-ray. but only bad news about blu-ray is that they only release on ps3 (only on PS3) for gaming only.... they not going to coming out on that market yet until next year or 2007. well yeah. having fun


542 - G4 in the sh!t
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 10:36
you do know that video from G4 was edited to make peter moore look like he was bashing sony, i think i smell a lawsuit, wouldnt like to be that guy.

543 -
Unregistered - Anonymous reader 10.09.2005 10:47
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544 - HELLO?! HELLO?! IS SOMEONE THERE??!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 11:01
Hey guys, Webmaster is gone.come on,we can reach 1000! come on PS3 & Xbox360 fans,let's continue the fight!!!!!!we can make it! TO 1000!!!

545 - *467* REPLY
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 11:12
"467 - the games were run on 2 apple mac PC's each containing a G5 processor and 6800 ultra's, dont forget X360 has only the equivelent of 1 6800 and its not as good as the ultra"

467* YOU ARE A COMPLETELY EXTRANEUS MORON.
XENOS IS MORE THAN TWICE POWERFUL THAN A 6800 ULTRA.
THAT MEANS ALMOST 30% MOST POWERFUL THAN RSX.
DONT SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU DONT KNOW AT ALL YOU STUPID FAN BOY.


546 -
Vivicious 10.09.2005 11:16
Wow, the guy in that movie is such a fanboy, and what a horrible person in general. This is actually aired on tv in the US? That's disgusting. The fact that he thinks the best graphics come from a game like Crackdown (So far I find it one of the least attractive next-gen titles.) shows how little that guy knows. People posting this video to DEFEND PS3 are complete morons, you're making the real fans look like idiots.

547 - WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 11:19
but i have a sure way of getting it all deleted, just start some racial abuse. j/k anyway 360 rox PS3 sux lolololololololololololol.

548 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 12:20
544

I like how you think.


549 - To # 545
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:12
Hey you f*cking dumb ass, they had to dumb down the graphics, do you know why? because if they didnt X360 would look complete shìt when it releases, X360's graphic chip doesnt hardly have any extra transistors compaired to the regular 6800, wait a minuite, I forgot I was talking to a dumb Xbox fanboy who has no idea.

Xbox fanboys refuse to believe anything that is true, what a set of Bill GAYtes ass lickers, go lick J.Allards ass too and let him pump you, the gãy bastar*d


550 - read this about cell
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:21
http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000360062305/

551 - To Vivicious
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:23
Your such a fanboy, do you think as well then that blu-ray will cost $1000 for PS3 and that Perfect Dark Zero looks truly next gen? the game looks like this gen, where is this hyped HD era that M$ keep banging on about, I don't see anything apart from this gen visuals on a newly named Xbox. Do yourselves a favour, save your money, spin your X360, 360 degrees and you will save yourself the embarrassment when PS3 arrives and blows it out of the water and delivers the true next gen experience everyone is waiting for.

552 - to 549
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:30
jes , you are such an ignorant looser!!!!!

553 - Wait one second
Unregistered - Gramatron Cleric 10.09.2005 13:38
How about you all buy both systems, that way you get the exclusives on each and you can do what I'm going to do and that's to just play the damn games. I like both systems, they are different in their approach and I think both will be pretty damn nice, roll on Nov 22 and roll on Spring 06!

554 - x360 ROXXORS, PS3 SUXXORS
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:43
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555 - WAIT ONE MINUITE
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:51
How about everyone get X360, spring is too far away when you can play next gen games in november. PS3 has nothing apart from expencive shlt no one wants. All the developers are coming to X360 cos they know PS3 sucks balls.

556 - To everyone in here!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:55
Your all stupid, instead of all this argueing why dont you all just buy the revelution, funny how you never hear those guys diss the other system. Enjoy the games, thats all that matters.

557 - sorry, but no...
Unregistered - poopmouth 10.09.2005 13:55
Im pretty sure he is NOT a fanboy...just b/c he isnt impressed with 360 doesnt mean hes a fanboy. They hate on the ps2 all the time and love the xbox, that really sounds like a fanboy to me...just because he says his opinion(which by the way, he is payed to do), doesnt mean crap. oh, and he only said that crackdown was supposed to be one of the 360's most impressive titles b/c MS hyped it to be!!! So once again, you gone and made a fool of yourself, nice work...its beginning to be a nasty habit, isnt it.

558 - ...
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 13:57
557 is for 546....

559 -
Vivicious 10.09.2005 14:03
#551 I can't believe I'm replying to the likes of you, but I wanted to make something clear. How you can even consider myself being a fanboy when looking at the rest of these "highly intelligent" posts is beyond me, let's just say that I'm looking forward to the PS3 as well as the X360, which is why I visit this site.

Did I say I agree or disagree with the guy? No, except for the fact that he's totally off.

Why? Ok, just for the sake of argument (as it's so obviously slanderous towards Microsoft with absolutely no facts involved. The guy and program are pathetic and I wouldn't be caught dead watching this "show" if it actually is aired on tv which I would find really disgusting if this is the case.) I'll show you why the whole clip is complete BS, and not from a subjective point of view:

-"Take an honest look at the situation" My ass! God that guy should never be allowed on tv, though I guess you're supposed to hate him. What does "Microsucky" say exactly? "As it CURRENTLY STANDS TODAY, bluray, with all available tech, would cost the consumer ID="MainNewsBlogCom",000". This most definitely is realistic, and he says nothing about it costing that much to produce for the PS3. That completely biased asshole (The host) starts stating the obvious, as if Peter was "attacking" Sony. It's completely out of context.

-Peter Moore, whom I'm not saying I agree with on everything, just like I don't trust Ken, states: "Video should never be compared with real gameplay" which I think most sane people will agree with, as it's only logical. So yet another normal, objective comment by Peter Moore. And what does that host bring up?

"Take the most visually impressive game to come out of X05, take a peek, it's called CRACKDOWN" Ok, I doubt I even have to mention this to rational people around here, but I can name 10+ titles off the top of my head that look way more impressive than Crackdown. It's cellshaded for God's sake! When have those games ever been graphically impressive.

It's a program (must be paid for by Sony) that is made for the ignorant masses, that have no idea what is going on in games country, and have to take their word for things like that. It's pathetic. He even has the nerve to mention things like pre-rendered video, and stated that MS hid behind their comment: "This is what it's supposed to look like". Now I don't prefer either companies, as I plan on purchasing both if the quality of games for the PS3 turns out to be on par, or better, than the X360 titles, but that comment is exactly what Sony got flamed for back during E3! And crackdown doesn't even look like CGI, so the guy is full of it (yet again).

-And lastly? Perfect Dark Zero not next-gen? This guy is seriously sick in the head, and so are you (also in for disapointment after disapointment if you expect only GoW, Too Human, Mass Effect, MGS 4 type games) if you don't think PDZ is next-gen material. It's not the frontrunner in graphics, no. But why don't you check out the video (In HD like it's meant to be seen) at

http://www.gametrailers.com/download.php?id=7997&type=wmv&f=

and then come back and tell me this game could be shown on an Xbox, or even current PC's for that matter. There is no way in hell, and the graphics, textures, animations are incredible. Maybe you should actually see things for yourself instead of watching pathetic, fanboy material from God knows where.

Notice how some people can actually post info without any shred of favoritism or fanboy remarks? Maybe people here should follow the example instead of making themselves look stupid, and listening to the marketing machines of MS and Sony, not to mention watching horrible clips like that one.


560 - To # 554
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 14:08
I knew M$ had large pockets, but I didnt realise he had a very large arse too to sh*t on every sony building, sony employee and every PS3 in the world LOL! oh wait he has to sh*t on every PSP and every PS1/PS2 too, I may have to build a bunker, with super expencive air conditioning, I knew the console wars were big, just not as big as what your saying.

Headlines just in:
**Bill gates bomb's the world with his sh*t along with a dumb ass no one has heard of.** AHAHA...! LOL


561 - #557
Vivicious 10.09.2005 14:11
God, your kind really makes me laugh. "I'm pretty sure he's not a fanboy" LOL! Are you insane? Do you even know the definition of a fanboy? He's insulting the X360 at every turn, saying it's not next-gen and whatnot without coming with any facts of his own and cuts bits of interviews to make it look like Peter Moore is "smack talking" Sony. That is extremely pathetic.

"Come on, this is Microsoft here" <----- Fanboy reaction, if you like or dislike the X360, this is still a complete fanboy reaction.

"So they can actually include some REAL next-gen technology" He says with a snear, my GOD. If you actually listen to this guy, you've already been brainwashed, and you're their typical mainstream catch, good for you.

Also, quickly: Crackdown has not yet been hyped by MS at all, that's the first footage shown, ever. They're keeping the lid on that game completely so you're full of it.

"So once again, you gone and made a fool of yourself, nice work...its beginning to be a nasty habit, isnt it"

I love that remark, sounds almost like you actually read comments of mine, which is of course impossible, as you'd need your own opinion to even understand them. Not the opinion of the masses. I think you've made quite an ass of yourself without my help so...

For the rest, read my post above and stop making yourself look like an idiot. Think before you post.


562 - haha, thank you, 561
Unregistered - poopmouth 10.09.2005 14:15
lol, read your posts....then mine....then maybe you will know why im laughing dumb$hit....good lord, your are priceless kid.

563 -
Vivicious 10.09.2005 14:24
I don't see why you'd want me to read posts containing comments like these:

"hell, the $hitbox isnt even out yet. oh, and as for those "screenshots" everybody loves so much, i have one word for you, xbox 1.5. cuz, sorry im not that impressed if thats all they got to offer. now, on the other hand, if sony can come close to what they have shown, are you kidding me, it wont even gonna be close. "

Your fanboy remarks, faulty grammer and hmm.. "tasteful" nickname only help to prove my point. So laugh away, it's too bad you might never know how incredibly biased and childish you sound. Maybe you should start growing up? I particularly like how you try to push my comment aside by "laughing". Great stuff.


564 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 14:32
Listen to this and WEEP 360 boys and girls. You are just fooling yourself. PS3 will be the KING of all consoles.
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565 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 14:45
I watched the perfect dark zero movie, and I'm not impressed, the characters faces look like this gen, the graphics overall look plasticy like a cartoon far from realistic, try playing Halflife 2 on PC with HD visuals, I've already seen better months ago. PDZ is not next gen, sorry.

566 - Lmao ^^
Unregistered - Truth 10.09.2005 14:47
And mind you, this is coming from XBOX Zealot Kevin Pereira. Funny stuff.

567 - To Vivicious
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 14:49
Farcry kicks PDZ's ass too along with Doom3, Unreal 2 and many more older PC games.

568 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 15:00
PC GAMERS ARE SUCH IDIOTS THEY POUR 400-600 DOLLARS ON NEW VIDEO CARDS JUST TO BARELY SQUEEZE BY THE CURRENT CONSOLES. XBOX 360 GAMES ARE GOING TO DESTROY PC IN A FEW MONTHS. THIS WAVE OF RELEASE TITLES REALLY ISN'T THAT FAR FROM CURRENT GRAPHICS.

569 - To Viv
Unregistered - Truth 10.09.2005 15:05
Hey buddy, how about you take your own head out of your ass and start defending the PS3 a little, eh? All I've see you do is bash PS3 fanboys, where's the Microsoft love? Or are you too ashamed that you're a XBOT Zealot as well as the other 90% of these un-educated slouches claiming to be gamers?



570 - ... but
Unregistered - Truth 10.09.2005 15:07
Don't take that too harshly though Viv as it's just some... subjective criticism. ;)

571 - ... and
Unregistered - Truth 10.09.2005 15:11
If you'd take the time to actually listen to the video you'd see two things. two things that are obvious to an educated gamer but I see you lack that certain non-fanboyesque frame of mind at the moment.

1.) Peter Moore is alluding that Sony will be losing thousands on the PS3 by including Blu-Ray. Which, as Kevin Perira states, it would be if Sony wasn't waiting a year to release it which will drop it's manufacturing costs considerably.

2.) Moore is also making it out that all Sony is doing is smoke and mirrors with no gameplay. Kevin just wants to point out that Microsoft is guilty as well.

How hard was that to grasp?


572 - To # 568
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 15:13
Your a fool, MY PC is already higher specced than the X360, with XNA I wont need to buy X360 either cos most of the games will be on PC too. I have an older PC that can do better graphics than PDZ too, and its only got a Radeon 9600XT in it with a AMD 2400 processor and 512MB of ram, Half life 2 looks way better than what I've seen of X360.

573 - Xbox360 is better here is the proof!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward360 10.09.2005 15:15
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

Fony+Grillstation3=HYPE


574 - To # 573
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 15:28
Thats just more M$ lies, but anyway believe what you want, everyone will see PS3 in action soon enough, but you still wont be satisfied, cos your all Xbox zealots.

575 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 15:43

article starts by saying word on the NET

just rumours


576 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 16:10
you all can lick my balls

577 - FOLLOW THE LINK AND CRY:
Unregistered - just me 10.09.2005 16:45
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So if X1800XT is better than 7800gtx , XENOS is much better than RSX. Even a sonyfanboy can understand this.
So follow the link and cry sony fan biatches:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/images/X1800-1.jpg

*See you again when you ll have ready the PS4 project cause as you can understand PS3 is already second...


578 - To #577
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 17:18
you really are an asshole because:
1-RSX isn't just a 7800gtx,who said it is?!.it is BASED on it.don't you understand the difference??!! nvidia said it's way better and more advanced compared to 7800gtx.
2-x1800xt isn't better that 7800gtx,they are equal in everything.see the game performance tests in xbitlabs.com
3-it is not yet finalized and still is in development.


579 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 17:30
IS THE XBOX 360'S GRAPHIC CARD COMPARED WITH THE 7800GTX AND PS3'S ONE. FYI: EVEN IF ONE IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER THE DIFFERENCE IS SO UNOTICABLE AND SMALL SO WHO CARES I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY ISN'T THE 360'S BEING COMPARED WITH THESE TWO.

580 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 18:16
YAY!!!!!!!!!ALMOST 600 COMMENTS!!!!!!!!!!

SEGA GENESIS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keep it up guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!we must reach 1000 comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and then 2000!!!!!!!!we can do it!!!!!!!!!!


581 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 18:23
The Cell chip in PS3 does graphics too, not just RSX. The three core processor in X360 can do 2 threads per core, the Cell processor can run 2 threads from PPE and 1 thread for every SPE, so X360 can do a total of 6 threads, Cell can do a total of 9 threads = PS3 wins with processor. very little is known about RSX but based on the 7800GTX it has a larger transister count than the X360 GPU which is a 2 die setup and has 232million transistors for the large die, the smaller die consists mostly of DRAM but can do a little graphical math calculation, your looking at a total of 242 million transisors that actualy do math. RSX has over 300million transistors, the exact figure isnt known, all thats known is, the RSX is more powerfull than the 7800GTX.

582 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 18:50

demos on E3 where only done using cell RSX is still in devolpment

where as xbox has every thing finished and ready to ship with GPU

CELL is revolutinary built for home consoles not something made similar to
PC CPUS

CELL runs @ 3.2 GHZ WITH 7 SPES RUNNING at 3.2ghz with 256kb cache for each SPE with 256mbXDR RAM running at 3.2ghz compared to DDR3 RAM @700MHz

xbox 360 high end pc perfomance PS3 NEXT GEN GAMING


583 - To: 578
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 18:54
578 You are such a stupidiot fanboy that you dont even understand conclusions ?
So let me put a copy-paste of con:
"Ati cards are noticeably left behind by competing GeForce 7800 GTX and GT in games like Doom III, Chronicles of Riddick, Pacific Fighters and some other OpenGL applications. Nevertheless, when it comes to MODERN GAMES with intensive use of shaders, such as Battlefield 2, Colin McRae Rally, F.E.A.R., Perimeter, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and some others, the new RADEON X1800-series takes the lead"
What lead ? This LEAD : http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/images/X1800-1.jpg

Ati doesnt cares about Old fashioned OpenGL games but for DirectX9 modern games. And to these games ATI overperform 7800gtx more than 20% overall.
As everybody knows , with the coming of DirectX 10 , openGL will die!
Dont have delusion , RSX is nothing more than a overclocked 7800gtx!
Only Kutaragi's dupes believes that it will be something diferent.

So my friend i wish you to enjoy while you will playing in your PS3 games like DOOM3...
HA HA HA HA !!!


584 - To # 582
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 18:56
Demo's at E3 were not only run on Cell, they used a 7800GTX, cell only run 2 demos on its own, the earth simulator demo and the leaves demo.
You forgot PS3 has 256MB of GDDR3 too running at 700Mhz not just 256MB of rambus RAM


585 - PS3 & Xbox360 fans please listen!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 19:05
please stop this flame war and accept that both systems are great and awesome.
sony fans,please don't bash the xbox360. it is a very powerful machine with decent features like xbox live.
MS fans,you too please don't say rubbish about PS3 because you know how incredibly strong and awesome it will be.
in fact the competitor is a company's best friend. if there is no MS,PS3 won't be the monster that sony has promised us and VICE VERSA!


586 - TO 584
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 19:11

WAS ONLY talking about the CELL CPU and the ram it was running on PS3 has 256mb DDR3 RAM for the GPU

GOOD TO SEE U KNOW THE TRUE PS3 SPECS


587 - TO 583
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 19:13

TELL ME WHY RSX HAS A FASTER CLOCKSPEED OH YEAH ITS BETTER AND FASTER


588 - To 586
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 19:24
You still got it wrong, it isnt DDR3 its GDDR3 (Graphics Double Data Rate, version 3) did you know this RAM was designed by ATI? X360 has 512MB of GDDR3, yes all graphics type memory, unlike PS3 which has 256MB of true system memory, but both XDR and GDDR3 can be shared with the processor or graphics in PS3.

589 - To 587
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 19:30
More learning needed, clock speed doesnt mean anything in a comparison, for example AMD athlon 2400 is the equivelent of a 2.4Ghz pentium, but the AMD processor is only running at 2.0Ghz.

590 - To #583
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 19:33
You are such an idiot that i don't know what to say!
1-PS3 uses OpenGL ES 2.0,a radically new and special version of opengl,not DirectX.
2-OpenGL isn't old you moron.it is the main professional graphics platform that is used in ALL SERIOUS PROFESSIONAL graphical works.DirectX is only an API created by Microsoft for games. it is like a toy compared to OpenGL.and OpenGL won't die when DirectX 10 comes out. it's like you say:Unix or Linux will die when Windows Vista comes out! all important servers in the world use unix or linux or their derivatives.see how illiterate and ignorant you are?!
3-again,how the hell do you know that RSX is only an overclocked G70?when we don't know anything about it yet and it is still under development??!!


591 - THE G4 VIDEO WAS FAKE!!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 20:19
YOU DUMBASSES IT WAS EDITED TO MAKE IT LOOK AS THOUGH HE WAS SAYING THEY WOULD COST $1000 EACH, WHEN REALLY THE QUESTION WAS "WHY DIDNT YOU INCORPORATE BLU-RAY IN 360" "BECAUSE IT WOULD COST TOO MUCH, MAYBE LIKE A $1000 EACH DRIVE" YOU COMPLETE BUNCH OF DIPSH!TS, AND ANYWHO 360 ROX PS3 SUX

592 - # 565, 567, 569, 571
Vivicious 10.09.2005 20:23
#565/567: I'd say there are max 3 games that could be seen to be more impressive graphics wise, all from the PC (not the Xbox): Doom 3, Far Cry, Half Life 2. Alot of it is opinion, but if you've seen the HD trailer I've linked to you'll see: Flare and shadows not used in any of these PC games. Textures that surpass HL 2 and Far Cry, and rival Doom 3. Physics are nothing special, yet from what we've seen, they have been implemented as in HL 2/Far Cry. I mentioned in my last post that PDZ wouldn't be a graphics powerhouse, but that denying it's next-gen material is crazy. It has tech that hasn't been used in the afore mentioned games, and things like viewing distance + detail + glare/shadows + animations/physics + AI come together for something that is not a game to be seen as a current gen title.

#569: Bash Sony fanboys? I was accosted by somebody who happened to be a Sony fanboy, and I don't care what kind you are, fanboys are all the same anyway. Which you're a prime example of by the looks of your post, don't start bringing me down to your level, as I'm not putting down any console (Why would I? I want all 3 of em if it comes to that.), just fanboyish remarks and these "Tech theories" that everyone flames with. And your definition of "subjective criticism" is pretty weak, I guess that's supposed to be funny..

#571: Kind of funny you're calling me a fanboy now, as I'm sure you realise it about yourself (If you read and understand your own comments that is).

"1.) Peter Moore is alluding that Sony will be losing thousands on the PS3 by including Blu-Ray. Which, as Kevin Perira states, it would be if Sony wasn't waiting a year to release it which will drop it's manufacturing costs considerably."

Really funny how you make it sound like this Kevin guy is just soberly stating a fact, as if he isn't acting like a total fanboy asshole. Anyway, for the sake of argument we'll pretend he's not a retard, and actually knows what he's talking about. First of all, you can't say Peter Moore is stating anything with his comments in this program, as they've cut it discriminately to be able to make their pathetic points. If YOU'D listened carefully, and read my post, and maybe even read a similar interview with Peter on IGN, you'd know he's always asked to comment on tech used in the PS3. Stating something is expensive at the moment only covers his own ass, as MS has recieved alot of criticism about the fact they didn't use HD-DVD (Or Bluray which there was also discussion about MS implementing. I bet most of the idiotic Xbox fanboys here didn't realise that.) So Peter is only "attacking" Sony in your own mind, and that of that moron Kevin.

"2.) Moore is also making it out that all Sony is doing is smoke and mirrors with no gameplay. Kevin just wants to point out that Microsoft is guilty as well."

This is even more obvious: "Smoke and mirrors" is out of the mouth of that Kevin guy, not Peter Moore. Sony has gotten alot of interest from footage at E3 and recent footage at TGS (MGS 4 for example) that looks more impressive than most of the X360 titles. He's trying to bring 50/50 customers back down to earth, which is only logical for a man in his position. Actually, in this case, I think the neutral observer would also "choose the side of" Moore, as he's stating a blatant fact: Movies should not be compared with gameplay. I'm at least glad you didn't bring up the host's idiotic use of Crackdown and also tried to say it was "hyped".

If you really think what you're saying is true, and that this clip isn't completely biased....I guess it doesn't matter. Your previous comments already showed you to be a fanboy, so OF COURSE you're going to choose sides. I like it here on the sidelines, waiting for all the great games (X360: PGR 3, Oblivion, GoW, Mass Effect, etc, etc. - PS3: DMC 4, MGS 4, T5, Gundam, etc, etc.) and laughing at guys like you. :-)


593 - Viv, you're funny... :)
Unregistered - Truth 10.09.2005 20:58
"#571: Kind of funny you're calling me a fanboy now, as I'm sure you realise it about yourself (If you read and understand your own comments that is)."

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Oh yes, I'm a fanboy. Please tell me how that completely fecking moronic idea graced your mind please? Considering, yes I do own the entired PS family, however that does not negate the fact I regularly go to friends houses to play RE4, Halo 2 or PGR. So again, please tell me how you reached that conclusion. I'd really like to know.

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"Really funny how you make it sound like this Kevin guy is just soberly stating a fact, as if he isn't acting like a total fanboy asshole. Anyway, for the sake of argument we'll pretend he's not a retard, and actually knows what he's talking about. First of all, you can't say Peter Moore is stating anything with his comments in this program, as they've cut it discriminately to be able to make their pathetic points. If YOU'D listened carefully, and read my post, and maybe even read a similar interview with Peter on IGN, you'd know he's always asked to comment on tech used in the PS3. Stating something is expensive at the moment only covers his own ass, as MS has recieved alot of criticism about the fact they didn't use HD-DVD (Or Bluray which there was also discussion about MS implementing. I bet most of the idiotic Xbox fanboys here didn't realise that.) So Peter is only "attacking" Sony in your own mind, and that of that moron Kevin."

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I never said he was attacking Sony. Again, you draw conclusions from some imaginary source. Oh, and you just proved what Kevin said was correct. MS continously covers their ass for not choosing Blu-Ray because of a lame "too expensive" argument. How is that any different than what Mr. Perira was alluding too in his chopped interview? And for the record, Kevin is a well-known XBOT Zealot as I stated from before. As soon as the PS3 E3 videos were released he had nothing good to say and I believe he's still on the MS bandwagon. Making one pro-Sony segement does not a fanboy make.

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"If you really think what you're saying is true, and that this clip isn't completely biased....I guess it doesn't matter. Your previous comments already showed you to be a fanboy, so OF COURSE you're going to choose sides. I like it here on the sidelines, waiting for all the great games (X360: PGR 3, Oblivion, GoW, Mass Effect, etc, etc. - PS3: DMC 4, MGS 4, T5, Gundam, etc, etc.) and laughing at guys like you. :-) "

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LMAO, again with the fanboy shat. You know what, please, go find a post I've made that was blatantly obvious fanboy tripe. I dare you. Pathetic. Like you however I will be enjoying all the games as my friends and I have worked out a system like we;ve been doing this generation. Each of us will be getting a different console. Laugh at me? I laugh at you...


594 - LOOK AT IT AGAIN
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 21:49
Checkout who the real liars are again: http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36 this is a company, who will go to extreme lengths to put people off the competition, they are the biggest liars in the industry, thats how M$ got where it is today. Enjoy the movie.

595 - Something I dont get about the Cell processor?
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 22:54
I've known about this for some time but, i still cant get my head around this:

"Each chip includes 8 SPEs, but one is disabled to improve yields and reduce costs"

If 1 of the SPE's is just disabled, it is still there, so how will this improve yeilds and cost? disableing it doesnt make it disapear and make the chip smaller (improve yields).

I think they plan on enableing this SPE at some time in PS3's life span, or why leave it there disabled takeing up silicon?


596 - Stop crying and hear the TRUTH!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward360 10.09.2005 22:55
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

Fony+Grillstation3=HYPE 8====D

Stop believing because its never going to happen!!!

XBOX360>PS3 Just be an xbox360 fan and be happy nuff said!


597 - stop b*tching and hear the LIES
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 23:11
http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36

598 - XBOX 360 has 332 million transistors.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 23:24
just like PS3 so what now fools. oh wait a min yeah PS3 has that lovely spiderman font, oh dear.....

http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/41164/Xbox-360/


599 - HOLD UP! 360 HAS 497 MILLION TRANSISTORS, OH YEAH!!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 23:35
that's more than PS3, so to the baloon head who said more transistors = more power what now chump. 360 rox PS3 sux.

600 - here's the links to prove 360 has more transistors.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.09.2005 23:38
http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/41165/Xbox-360/

http://screenshots.teamxbox.com/screen/41164/Xbox-360/

POS3 OWNDIZZLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


601 -
Unregistered - watts 10.09.2005 23:57
Yes Sony will lose money on the blue ray drive but they will get it bak later on, It's a risk their willing to take so we can have a large amount of disk space.

602 - sony can't afford to take risks.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 00:00
SONY = 62+ billion in dept.

M$ = more money than you can shake a dead cat at!!!


603 -
PAUL CERULA 10.10.2005 00:00
PS3 FANS AND XBOX 360 FANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THE PS3 AND XBOX 360 ARE VERY SIMILAR IN PERFORMANCE. YOU WANT ONE NOW OR 6 MONTHS LATER.

604 - doh!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 00:02
debt, knew i should have gone to school.

*sits infront of monitor rocking in chair*


605 -
Unregistered - havoc 10.10.2005 01:05
wow I would have never thought the next gen console war would be this big, just look at all the comments on this artical. This war is bigger than coke and pepsi, mc donalds and burger king, pringals and lays, dish and cable, and yanks and red sox. Reading all these comments make me think why exactly are we fighting, I think it's like sports you have a team that you like and you want them to be the best. When the new consoles are released it's like the beginning of the season. Lets say xbox 360 and ps3 were a sports team xbox 360 will play the first couple of games because in actuality they are coming out first. So we can see how good of a team 360 is and we wont be able to see how good of a team ps3 is untill they play. Thats why I understand when ms fanboys get mad when we compare the two system when the ps3 is coming out later it's like they haven't even played a game yet. But sometimes you can tell if a team is better than the other even if one hasn't played yet. Now I know you guys can tell that I am A ps3 fanboi but I'm going to be honest with y'all and i'm not just gonna say ps3 rox and 360 sux, but I will tell you guys how I feel. The 360 is gonna be a good system and yes I consider it a true next gen system with some good looking games like pgr madden nba 2k6 and I guess gears of war. But you have to admit some of those games don't look impressive. Dead or Alive games always have good graphics but doa4 looks just like doa3 and that kameo game looks awful to me. Yea it has many characters on screen at once but they all do the same jesture at the same time. Thats nice and all but I want my many characters to be smart, and they will have their own brain with the cell processor. I know y'all ms fanboys are tired of hearing about this cell processor but that is the key to the ps3. Xbox 360 hasn't really shown me the next gen I wanna see, maybe they should be like sony and think big for all thier games and show me something that makes me say oh my god because Microsoft is letting some ugly looking games on their system. They got xbox live but sony will have somthing similar this time around. Xbox was a more powerful system than ps2 and thats why some developers went to xbox to make their games but that will not happen this time.I think later on 360 games will look better but all of sony games will be at high standard. This upcoming season ps3 will have the better team.

606 - # 605
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 05:41
Good post 605, I am a 360 fanatic first and foremost but am also thinking that I may get a PS3 as well so I can enjoy the games that won't be coming out on 360 (you can never have too many great games!!!).

Nice to see a post that doesn't say 360 sux!!!!, PS3 the best!!! 360 is the greatest, you a**holes!!! etc etc.

Someone mature on this site, now there's a first........... :0


607 - TO XBOT IDIOTS: STOP ADVERTISING YOUR CRAP SYSTEM HERE!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 05:50
Look how miserable these xbot vermins are:

#596:"Stop believing because its never going to happen!!!
XBOX360>PS3 Just be an xbox360 fan and be happy nuff said!"
#603,SPARTAN OF 777:"PS3 FANS AND XBOX 360 FANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THE PS3 AND XBOX 360 ARE VERY SIMILAR IN PERFORMANCE. YOU WANT ONE NOW OR 6 MONTHS LATER."

They are begging us to buy their x-flop 1.5! they are afraid that MS will end up with a huge LOSS with it AGAIN! because when the glorious PS3 comes out, x-flop 1.5 won't be something special (just a pc at best). Sony and PS3 fans are confident enough and PS3 does not need advertising and begging people to buy it and misleading them. all the world is waiting for PS3 and it WON'T be equal to x-flop 1.5! DON'T EVEN TRY TO IMAGINE IT YOU LOSERS!!!


608 - #593
Vivicious 10.10.2005 06:09
You're serious? You actually expect me to scroll through 600+ comments to prove something to you that is so blatantly obvious? Right...Luckily the most obvious is you constantly stating that tv program isn't biased (That guy an Xbox fanboy? Sure...that would only mean he's being paid to say one thing, and thinks the other) Not to mention your anti MS/Xbox sentiments, of which your post is proof of again.

"Oh, and you just proved what Kevin said was correct. MS continously covers their ass for not choosing Blu-Ray because of a lame "too expensive" argument."

You only read what you want to read, don't you moron? What is "lame" about MS not implementing a drive, that according to Moore, would cost the consumer 1,000 dollars at the moment? Jezus, you're telling me in a previous post I'm attacking PS fanboys, (of which you are one) while all you do is post bs about MS. That kevin guy is nowhere near correct, as he acted as if Peter Moore was "attacking" Sony. Hence the " ".

"Making one pro-Sony segement does not a fanboy make."

If you're going to have that guy's attitude and air it on tv? Uhh...yea it does.(In this case).

Like I said before, which is yet another reason: "If you really think what you're saying is true, and that this clip isn't completely biased...." that just really shows how closed minded you really are.


609 - To all the Sony readers.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 07:11
Dont waste your time with these Xbox morons, they dont have a clue, Ive explained transistor count and then some idiot comes along and posts complete transistor count for CPU, GPU and EDRAM to compaire to PS3's CELL transistor count on its own, how f*cking dumb is that?

LETS END THIS POST NOW, BECAUSE THIS POST IS NOW BEYOND A JOKE, X360 FANBOYS ARE BLIND, LETS LEAVE IT THAT WAY!!!


610 -
Vivicious 10.10.2005 07:22
I've never really understood why Xbox/PS fanboys go to console news sites they obviously detest, to poke fun or just flame in general. They've also usually got the IQ of a peanut.

611 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 07:36
Cell processor will have 234million transistors and RSX will have over 300 million transistors so PS3 has at least 534million transistors compared to X360's combined total of 497 transistors

PS3 wins!!!


612 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 07:39
XBOX 360 HAS 112 MILLION TRANSISTORS

DUMB 360 FANS MAKING UP A LOT OF LIES

PLEASE CUT THE BULLSH*T


613 -
Vivicious 10.10.2005 08:00
I know this has been said 1000 times, but guys...Who cares?? It all comes down to developer support, and the games themselves! Anyone who seriously thinks that tech will make the difference between the consoles needs to wake up. ;-)

614 - .....ok...mm
Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.10.2005 09:14
first of all, that fuken comment post going to 700soon if u guy gouing to freaken keep this up. by the way.. that this article SAID." PS3 Losing Support from Developers?" not fuken ps3 VS 360. GEEZ. also this is ps3 webiste all your 360 fan get out. dont be like sissy.

anyway . 360 and ps3 haven;t come out yet. so u dunno which one going be better. either i am goingt o get ps3 anyway. i realy dont see any good sh1t about 360. if i buy 360 only game i proabbly buy is Fable 2. n about 360 not going to full capz all xbox game, that is soo stupid ass. well ps3 going to be capz all ps1 and ps2 game. OOH yeah.......


615 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 09:39
#612 are you saying tha the 360 is powerful then the ps3.Because if you are you are on dumb ass.

616 - TERRIBLE NEWS!!! LOOK HERE!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 10:04
from:
http://www.ps3focus.com/archives/133


"Lately, there’s been a fair amount of speculation on all things Revolution-related, such as whether these leaked technical specifications are the real deal. Next up seems to be the Revolution’s price: will it really be as low as $99? Recent rumors surfacing on the internet seem to suggest that this is quite possible.The argument in favor of this price point is that the Revolution will be the least powerful of the three consoles, and will require game developers to significantly modify games in order to achieve cross-platform playability due to the Revolution’s unique controller and reduced power. However, since Nintendo is largely reliant on exclusive titles, their choice to go for “lightweight” hardware may work to their advantage by making the console easier to develop for..........."

DAMN NINTENDO,THEY ARE LOWERING THE LEVEL OF ALL THE CROSS-PLATFORM CONSOLE GAMES. DAMN THEM!! HOPE DEVELOPERS LEAVE THEM AND DON'T DEGRADE THEIR GAMES!!



617 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 10:43
#616

Don't worry, it won't be that cheap. They can't even make a DS that cheap, let alone a console system.

And the Revolution will be a powerful system too, capable of all the shader effects and lighting. The video card is based off of an ATi R520 (which is the equal to the RSX part in the PS3, both of which are powerhouses)

The only part that will be less powerful is the processor. It is *rumored* to only have one IBM PPC dual core processor. However, to make up for only one CPU, it is also coming with a separate Physics proccessing unit. Which would actually make the defualt PPU in the Revolution more powerful than both the PS3 and the Xbox360.

The only thing that would be a major drawback is IF the Revolution has no hardware audio acceleration forcing the IBM CPU to do both that and game mechanics. (like enemy A.I. and geometry commands being sent to the video card)

They played down the video in their Gamecube, and it turns out that it was actually more powerful than the PS2's video capability.

And to top it off... I don't see very many games being ported to the Revoltion from either the 360 OR the PS3.


618 - # 605
Unregistered - Seep 10.10.2005 11:28
i am an xbox fan and i totally agree with everything you say, apart from kameo i know the game is aimed mainly at kids or girls but damn it sure is one good looking game, and each enemy has its own AI dont let the cell fool you into thinking that its the only one that can do it, kameo uses all three cores one for gfx one for AI and the other one for physics and stuff, just watch a vid from gametrailers and you will see.

and people the cell is overhyped why do you think in the MGS4 trailer they talk obout it as their saviour, its just plain cheesey and desperate.


619 - All your PS3's are belong to us
Unregistered - J Allard 10.10.2005 11:30
Bow down you fools, watch as MS buys Sony and then you morons will need to tow the line, fools, morons, SUCKERS!!!!

620 - Don't listen to J Allard
Unregistered - Ken Kataragi 10.10.2005 11:33
Don't listen to him my children, Sony needs morons like you to keep the cash coming in, keep buying our over-priced, over-hype garbage and I will finally be able to afford that solid gold house that I've had my eye on for some time.

Keep up the good work chumps


621 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 11:49
#618 OMG CELL OVERHYPED
its in production for more than 5 years, it is the result of two major companies working together, so how can it fail ?!? We've all seen the power of the cell and it will be a major step in technology


622 - 619 & 620 F**K OFF!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:02
MS is in no position to buy Sony. Sony's income is double of MS's income.and it's capital is hundreds of billions of dollars. they own at least 6 great hollywood studios. they are one of the BEST brands in the electronics industry,their products are excellent quality.
but your puny miserable MS isn't even able to do their own business well. they ONLY make software and what they offer is GARBAGE & OVERPRICED.
Idiots like you made Bill that rich,while he only offered the industry his low quality windows.


623 - # 622
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:09
Sony are in 62+ BILLION debt how are they richer than MS?? idiot.

624 - # 621 OPEN YOUR EYES.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:12
BETAMAX = FLOP

MINIDISC = FLOP

EMOTION ENGINE = FLOP

BLU-RAY = IS GONNA FLOP

CELL = STEVE JOBS THE MAN FROM APPLE SAID IT WAS SH1T = FLOP

SONY = SMOKE & MIRRORS = FLOP


625 - # 621
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:15
HAVE WE SEEN THE POWER OF THE CELL?
IF SO, SHOW ME.

FLOPSTATION 3.


626 - FLOPSTATION 3
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:19
Sony's top-notch GPU doesn't have enough bandwidth to be run at full speed, and it's architecture is a generation behind. After nVidia said the Xenos' unified shader architecture was "not the way forward" they announced a new unified shader architecture chip.

627 - TO 612
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:20

PS3 300 MILLION TRANSISTORS
XBOX360 112 MILLION TRANSISTORS

I WAS SAYING PS3 HAS MORE AND BETTER

XBOX FANS KEEP POSTING THAT XBOX HAS OVER 300 MILLION TRANSISTORS
THEY ARE TALKING UP OUT THERE AHOLE

TRYING TO MAKE UP LIES BECAUSE THIS TIME THEY CANT SAY WE GOT THE MORE POWERFULL SYSTEM


628 - TO 624
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:23

PLAYSTATION 1 = SUCCESS

PLAYSTATION 2 = SUCCESS

XBOX = FLOP

XBOX 360 = A RUSHED PIECE OF CRAP


629 - microsoft rules!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:40
windows ME=rubbish
windows 2000=trash
windows XP=piece of crap
windows server 2003=same piece of crap
xflop=piece of sh*t
xflop 1.5=future piece of sh*t



630 - TO 623
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 12:50
SONY ARENT IN DEBT IDIOT THERE ONE OF LARGEST COMPANIES IN WORLD THAT SPECIALISE
IN WIDE RANGE ENTERTAINMENT AND ELECTRONICS

HOW CAN A COMPANY SURVIVE A 62 BILLION DEBT MORON

XBOX FANS ARE FULL OF SH*T AND MICROSOFT GO BACK AND CREATE A SH*TTY OS
YOU DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT OR GAMES CONSOLES

MAN HOW SH*T WAS THE E3 UNVIELING ON XBOX360 BUT YOU LIKE IT BECAUSE ITS REAL TIME NOT GOOD ENGOUGH SH*T HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE


631 - SOON 360 DISC FORMAT WILL CAUSE PROBLEM
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:05
TAKEN FROM GAMESPOT LOOKS LIKE XBOX WILL HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE IF A FIGHTING GAME IS ALREADY PUSHING THE BOUNDRIES ON THERE DISC FORMAT

"Another reason why [Microsoft] went with the 9GB DVD format (dual-layered DVDs can contain up to 9.4 GB) is that American and European developers tend to use real-time rendered cutscenes. But Japanese developers use a lot of prerendered cutscenes, so the DVD format brings a bit of an anxiety. The screen resolution for Xbox 360 games will be in high definition, so the prerendered movies are going to be pretty large. If we encoded the Dead or Alive 4 trailer from E3 in high definition in a quality acceptable to us, it will easily be about 2GB. With DOA4, we'll be using the disc's capacity to its full extent. We started development on DOA4 pretty early, and we didn't know what disc format the Xbox 360 was going to adopt. So when we learned about it, we were really knocked out."


632 - Check these Next gen X360 screens
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:09
Here's some next gen screenshots of Brothers in Arms Earned in Blood:
http://www.gamesradar.com/media/gamesradar/bia_earned_blood_1010_2.jpg
http://www.gamesradar.com/media/gamesradar/bia_earned_blood_1010_3.jpg
http://www.gamesradar.com/media/gamesradar/bia_earned_blood_1010_4.jpg

WOW!! totaly next gen, NOT! the old PC game Return to Castle Wolfenstien looks better than this game LOL, X360 is a joke.


633 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:13
Lol, I love how some people use a transistor count as if it is some indication of real world performance.

Nvidia has usually had more transistors per part than ATi, yet ATi still out performs Nvidia in most benches. (for this generation of vid cards anyway)

Seriously, go to any tech website, and check out their reviews of the current high end Nvidia and ATi cards.


634 - # 632
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:24
tat's xbox 1 retard, damn you sony boys are thick.

635 -
Unregistered - gamer 10.10.2005 13:24
mgs 4 was prerenderd someone sed miles above this post they was using real time effects and lighting didnt they do the same for fight night round 3 and what did they say it was real then the EA guy confirmed it was pre renderd sonys full of bullshit man the only thnig on sonys mind is the psp and ps3 and the hd tv's you really cant say playstation 3 is better playstation hasnt shown ay sign of in game footage or any playable demos they are just trying to get everyone happy i wish i could see the looks on your lots faces when you get you $500 doller console and see it has the exact same graphics as the 360 hahahahahahah

636 - To # 633
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:29
Thats because Gforce cards rely on OpenGL more than directX, look at any equivelent card to an nVidia card running Doom3, and you will see nVidia wins, ATI are more directX based.

637 - An in-game comparison
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:36
Which looks more realistic?

Perfect Dark Zero: http://www.gamesradar.com/media/gamesradar/perfectdark_4.jpg
Half Life 2: http://www.sg.hu/kep/2004_11/1120halflife2bemutatoscreenshot4.jpg

Can you see how your all being fooled into the 360 hype machine? HL2 is much older than PDZ, PDZ is supposed to be next gen graphics, running on X360 with a graphics chip from the future for PC. M$ = LIARS!!


638 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:44
Do you know what the minimum specs are for Half life 2? here they are:

Windows XP/2000/Me/98
1.2Ghz processor
256 MB Ram
Net connection
DVD drive

X360 = Flop


639 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:50
#636

While your comment is 100% true, 98% of all games are DirectX based....


640 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:51
Actually, have ya seen the new PDZ footage, I had doubts about this game, but now im definately getting it, its on gametrailers.com, go check it out. Plus another ps3 game coming to xbox360 at the same time..project assasin.

641 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:52
#638

And do you have any idea just how sh!tty HL2 looks when running on a system that pathetic?


642 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:55
#637

There is this thing called art direction.

HL2 was MADE to look realistic, while PD0 is MADE to look slightly stylized.


That is like comparing Halo to Timesplitters. You just can't do it. Of course Halo is going to look more realistic.


643 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:55
They wont be on PS3 though, PS3 will be fully OpenGL based, X360 will be fully direct X based. I wonder what the ports will look like from X360 to PS3 and vice versa? I hate to think.

644 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:56
#640

The game looks fun as hell doesn't it?!

Did you download the HD version of the movies? The lighting effects look great, and the soft shadows move pretty realistically too.


645 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:59
#643

That is just it, most games WON'T be ported from one system to the other. It takes an initial invest of over $16 million (USD) just to produce PS3 titles effectively. That is what the article at the top of this page is all about.

Most people don't want to code for the PS3/Cell, if only for the amount of R&D it takes vs. the much cheaper amount for the 360. : (


646 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 13:59
To 641, yeah I do, it looks the same as that pic, can you see there is no anti aliasing added and other effects?


647 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 14:06
#646

You just made my point. thanks!


648 - To # 645
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 14:09
It cost $16 million cos thats what Sony want developers to invest in next gen games, they dont want games looking like this gen, thats what the article is about, too many lazy developers wanting to make a quick buck on PS3. OpenGL is easy to program, infact all the tools given to developers for PS3 are easier to use than what was given for PS2, PS3 is actualy easier to develope for, a few developers have mentioned the ease to program for PS3, includeing I.D Software. The developers are worried incase Sony put a high price tag on PS3 and hardly anyone buy's it.

649 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 14:11
Yea and it still looks better than PDZ

650 -
skooby 10.10.2005 14:19
10 goto 10...

Next News Article...

Gahh!


651 - To # 631 - SOON 360 DISC FORMAT WILL CAUSE PROBLEM
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 14:36
The joys the X360 fans will have, swapping disks halfway through a game, there's another game I was reading about and the developer (cant remember who it was) said the whole of the movie content would fill a DVD on its own, without the game, the game is an RPG game, thats all I remember, I'll try find a link at the other forum I visit, where it was mentioned.

652 - crappy opengl
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 14:51
HAHAHA SOON ALL PS3 FANBOYS WILL BE PLAYING OLD FASHIONED GAMES MADE BY CRAPPY AND HARD TO WORK OPENGL.
THIS IS THE REASON MANY SERIOUS DEVS LEAVE SONY!!!
ENJOY YOUR NEXT DOOM3 SONY CRYING BIATCHES.
EVEN ADMINS OF THIS SITE LEAVE SONY!!!
SONY IS SINKING ---->HAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA


653 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:20
#648

You're wrong.

But let's assume you are right for second. It still wouldn't change the fact that developers don't want to spend that time and money on the PS3, regardless of the reason for the hefty time and money investment it takes to turn out a decent game on the PS3.

And not a single developer (excluding Sony's in house Devs) have said the Cell is easier to code for than the Emotion engine. In fact, they have said the opposite.

Also, Developers all state that the PS3 is WAY harder to Dev for than the 360, which once again leads us back to the article at the top of this page.

I mean, they lost square/enix for cryin out loud!!!


654 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:34
Itagaki: . It’s better than PlayStation 3.


GI: Can I ask you why?

Itagaki: PS3 has too complicated of architecture.


655 - To # 648
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:34
Try going to real news sites, not fanboy sites:
PlayStation 3 chip goes easy on developers
http://news.com.com/PlayStation+3+chip+goes+easy+on+developers/2100-1043_3-5476933.html

"We're very much aware of the need to balance between innovation in architecture and the ability to leverage that innovation," H. Peter Hofstee, a researcher in IBM's Systems and Technology division, said during a break at an IBM press event here. "The learning curve for this platform should be significantly better than previous ones."


656 - to # 653
Unregistered - havoc 10.10.2005 15:48
No you are wrong, you are just coming out the mouth. Where do you get your sources from? You know that nobody said the ps3 is "WAY harder to develop for than 360". Now I wouldn't be surprised if 360 is easier to develop for but y'all acting like the ps3 will be hell to dev for. This time around sony made sure it wont be a hassle to make games on the ps3, and where did you get the idea that sony square/enix?

657 - to # 653
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:50
Actualy I got the developer wrong, it was Epic games Tim Sweeney who said PS3 was easy to program for.

658 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:56
#655

Okay... you just told us NOT to go to a fanboy site for news, but you are quoting what an IBM exec is saying about the Cell?

Talk about being a hypocrite!


659 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:58
#656

Here is one


660 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 15:58
#656

Here is one quote for ya-

"John Carmack, founder of id software, talked next-gen consoles during his keynote speech at the 10th annual QuakeCon convention. Edge is reported:

According to Carmack, Xbox 360 is “the best development environment” he’s seen for a console, telling the assembled Quake fans about the usefulness of the development tools and architecture of Microsoft’s next console. Conversely, he expressed doubts regarding the PS3’s hardware architecture, claiming that early work on games for the hardware “will initially be disappointing” and that it will take time for developers to fully get the most out of the machine’s parallel processing power."


661 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:08
#656

Here is another one for you. This comes from 1up.com in an interview with Gabe Newell. (Half-Life 2)


"There are incredibly few programmers who can safely write code in the PlayStation 3 environment. And I totally see why Sony wants people to write code that runs on seven SPEs and a central processing unit, because that code is never going to run well anywhere else. They're saying, "Make your code not run on anything but one of our machines, and we're betting that we'll have market share that's so high that everybody will have to write for our platform. We'll just starve the air from the other platforms by absorbing everybody'd R&D budget and making their code less portable."


662 - PS3 cells power using the Eye toy 2.0
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:24
PS3 cells power using the Eye toy 2.0

http://www.xb360info.com/Toshiba-Cell-Demo.avi

Very cool


663 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:26
LOng live sony.

664 - To # 656
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 17:09
Whoever is writing these articles or saying these things are a joke. C++ programming language has been around god knows how many years, you can program PS3 with this, you also have OpenGL which has been around longer than DirectX and is also very easy. Programmers can use the Havok engine if they want makeing game's easier to make, there's also the Physics language to cut production time down, and lots of other API's to make life easy on PS3 and lots of information for developers if they get stuck. They can even make their own engine's/Tools. PS2 was hard because it didnt have the ease of use tools, Sony, nVidia, IBM amd a host of other people are bringing lots of options to Sony's machine this time.

Explain to me, why has it took the developers of Gears of War, 3 years to make the game? yet MGS4 will be out sometime in 2007, roughly 1 and a half to 2 years in production, yea right PS3 realy is hard and takes longer to develope for, those people you mentioned are PC developers X360 is very similar to PC thats why they prefer X360 XNA makes porting from and to PC/X360 very easy.


665 - Post 664 was aimed at post 661
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:31
Watch this interview http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/gearsofwar/preview_6133348.html
The older guy mentions how long Gears of War has been in production (3YRS)

While I'm here, I find it funny why Rockstar North have decided to go Sony only and create an engine based around PS3, considering its so hard to develope for. The next GTA will look much better with it useing a specialized engine than if it was going to be a multi platform game, Rockstar North will be able to program to the metal this time around.


666 - 3 CORES DIFFICULT XBOX Secrets
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:18
the creator of DOA4 ichi"something" said that xbox 360 running on three cores
will be difficult to programme and develop for

ASK YOURSELVES WHY WERE THE GAMES RUNNING ON 1 CORE

also square-enix said that porting FFXI on pc to XBOX 360 was extremly difficult and frustrating

because pc games run on intel processors while xbox has a IBM processor

SO XBOX FANS DONT THINK XBOX 360 HAS IT ALL EASY


667 - #666
old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:10
You're such a waste. You just had #666 post and you put up some fuking HOMO comment. HOMO. Go to the X-TWAT side LOL.

668 - 667 GO F*CK YOURSELD
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:30
MY COMMENT IS ON THE OTHER THREAD HOMO

YOU AINT KING OF THIS FORUM SO SHUT THE F*CK UP

HAVE A DECENT COMMENT OH GO BACK TO YOUR HOMO WEBSITE

F*CKING RETARDED D*CKHEAD


669 - to comment # 660 and 661
Unregistered - havoc 10.10.2005 22:25
To comment # 660 yea I think he is right I think all consoles will take a while for developers to get the most power out of a system. Don't you think games on xbox 360 will start to look better as time pass, you better hope so.

To comment # 661 thats interesting I am pretty sure that all the developers who made games on the ps2 can make a game on the ps3 so when he says "There are incredibly few programmers who can safely write code in the PlayStation 3 environment." he is probably saying since the ps3 is not out and all the developers don't have the ps3 dev kits how can they know how to safely write code on it, Do you get what im saying. If these qoutes are real then with no surprise xbox 360 is easier to develop for but no one is saying it's a big obstacle to make games on the ps3.


670 - Uhhm...
Unregistered - A really angry fan of Ps3 10.11.2005 01:40
Alright guys, I need information. Whats happening to our Ps3? Is this true? Because I really, really wanted Condemned. It looked sweet. But at least we got I-8 and MGS4, right guys? Now please, I'm not a fanboy. I simply support Ps3 because of their semi-success with Ps2, and because I like them. Everyones gotta choose sides, right?

Whats going on. Give me the facts. Are we losing key games and developers? I'm really confused, and scared for the success of Ps3. Because right now things don't look pretty for us guys. Right now one of the main problems is its cost. I'm guessing around 450$ or 500$, which is insane. But if it costs the same and loses games and developers, thats gonna really suck.

So is this true, or is it a lie? Because I really don't want us in last place again. Oh, and another quick question. Are you going to need a High-def TV to play games on Ps3? Because honestly, I have like a ten year old TV that plays everything great, and I think its a decent old TV. But really, whats the difference? Whats the difference between my TV, and High-def ones? Because I looked at many of them yesterday, and they have a more fuzzy glowly quality picture then my old TV. So, yeah. Will I need one?

And 360 fans, bug off. Your getting on my nerves.


671 - Viv
Unregistered - Truth 10.11.2005 01:43
Someone sent me the full video and I got to see it uncut. So I'll be a man and admit I was wrong and it's biased. However, I stand by the statement I am not a fanboy and never will be one as that's not the way to enjoy gaming. I still play my Sega Master System and NES ( which I have to jam a balled up sock into to play ). So, persist in calling me a fanboy all you want, I know I'm not so it's just a laugh to me.

672 - to comment # 670
Unregistered - havoc 10.11.2005 01:52
Of course sony is not losing support, the only way sony would lose support from developers is if people don't buy their system and trust me people are going to buy their system. Also no you don't need an hd tv to play the ps3 but my question is would you be able to play on two regular t.v instead of two hd, that would be cool.

673 - To # 671
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 02:00
ah come on, haven't you played any of the latest PC games with full effects on? they look way better than PDZ, I was expecting far more than this, after all its supposed to be the "HD ERA" what a joke!

674 - Look at the other titles
Unregistered - J Allard 10.11.2005 05:56
Anyone who's seen Oblivion or Call of Duty 2 in HD will be impressed, why the fuss over PDZ? it's only one game, trust the PS3 morons to focus on only that, why don't you have another look at that exciting PS3 ingame footage of Gundam, WOW, it's really..........'amazing', have fun with your over hpyed pile of turds you morons...........



675 - Billy-Jo Fat Ass
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 08:50
I played the CoD:2 PC demo the other day (on my 3-year-old PC) - It looked just like the 360 version !

676 - # 675
Unregistered - Call of Duty 2 10.11.2005 09:23
Uh huh, of course it did, tell me, were you playing the 360 version at X05 or did the developers invite you around for a Friday night gaming / drinking session???..............you moron

677 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 10:49
Yea I agree, there seems to be much more detail, the effects look better too, my PC is about 1-2 yrs old now, I just upgraded the ram to 1gig from 512MB, certainly makes a difference in games, especially if you bump the apature size up in bios, to a quarter of the main ram you have, mine is set at 256 now up from 128.

678 - Whatever
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:39
Whatever, 360, PC, the PS3 OWNS you all, come spring next year, everyone is going to BOW DOWN before the mighty PS3. That's right suckers, play as many games on your 360's and PC's as you can now because soon you'll all be sad when you realise that you are missing out on the best games on the best machine!!! PS3!!!!

679 -
Unregistered - s.p 10.11.2005 17:43
I have experience of both development kits, naturally can't tell you the company name. Someone said that these two consoles are equal in horsepower. Well, that's not simply true. I can't of course tell you which one, because of our company's agreement. With one dev kit we can do much more incredible effects, graphics, smooth framerate etc than the other one. You will see. Believe what you want, soon you don't have to believe anymore, you can see and feel the difference.

I don't answer any questions.


680 - # 679
Unregistered - Of course you are..........not 10.11.2005 18:11
Hey 679, your name isn't Ken Kataragi by any chance is it?...........wow, I'm a mysterious developer, one of the two consoles that we're working on will be so much more powerful than the other, it's.........wait, I can't tell you due to my NDA but I'll give you a hint, it..........it rhymes with 'TS3'.......uhhhhh, I've got sucvh a Hard-on............uhhhhhh

Moron


681 -
Vivicious 10.11.2005 19:24
#679 Get real, who in their right mind in your so called position would post on a site like this, and have such incredibly faulty grammer. You're almost as believable as Ken and Bill who post here regularly.

682 -
Unregistered - get a life 10.11.2005 21:56
this is what you all sound like, you eat poop! no, you eat poop! NO, you eat poop! you ate poop first. no you did. youre the poopeater. you eat poop! no, you do!

683 -
Unregistered - Game developer (yeah right) 10.11.2005 23:09
Hey guys, I cant tell you who I am (just an average joe) or who I work for (no one that has anything to do with gaming) But I can say that one system out of the 3 (actually this is a lie) is going to be better than the rest (not), Cant tell you which one (no reason, just like being an idiot) but I can tell you it looks like a black brick with a blue light on it (well that narrows it down) And it will be better than the other 2 systems cause of the awesome remote.... (oops) I mean controller that was designed to be a motion sensor. (to bad it looks like crap, will work like crap, and no one will buy it) Oh and the other 2 systems will never make as much profit as it will either (build it cheap, sell it cheap, nothing to lose) I will give you a hint though, (you call those hints) This system is a classic (more like an antique) and has famous characters known all over the world (they should be dead by now but they keep trying to bring them back) Oh and you'll be able to play all the old classics for free (sure, aint like they have anything new to offer, so the same old sh*t should tide you over, even though it wont). Oh and hey, this system is super tiny (didnt put much into it so no need for anything big, just wasted space) and their not concerned with graphics (cause their to stupid) or HD (cause their to stupid) or processing power (again, their to stupid) or complicated controllers.(complicated cause they think your to stupid) Dont ask me any questions, thats all I have to say. Till next time (hopefully there wont be one)

684 - # 683
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.12.2005 01:43
Brilliant!!! ROFL!!!! :)

685 - to 679
Unregistered - Just me 10.12.2005 05:59
PS3 troll saying that PS3 is much more powerful than xbox360.

686 -
Unregistered - J. Allard 10.12.2005 18:37
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*tries desperately to compose self with serious face*

....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


687 - Bill Gates will rule the world
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.13.2005 02:24
Haha up your's PS3 fan boys talking about how your system will be better to bad u will have no games to play on it. Xbox360 and Optimus Prime will rule the world!!!!!!!!!!

688 - Bill Gates will rule the world
Unregistered - Anonymous 10.13.2005 02:25
Haha up your's PS3 fan boys talking about how your system will be better to bad u will have no games to play on it. Xbox360 and Optimus Prime will rule the world!!!!!!!!!!

689 - Bow to Mr. Gates
Unregistered - Optimus Prime 10.13.2005 02:28
Haha up yours all u PS3 Fanboys u may have a more powerful system but u won't have any games to play on it. Xbox360 and transformers will rule the world!!!

690 - Xbox 360
Unregistered - Alsss 10.13.2005 03:36
xbox 360 looks like the best system so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

691 - bill gates wont rule sh*t
Unregistered - the man 10.13.2005 11:48
yeah right what makes xbox the best? nothing at all nothing. if you xboxfag boys get your heads out of bills ass you would know that. first ps3 will have the games and i dont understand why anyone would want to make a game on the xcrap 360. it is less popular than ps3 and inferior in every department which is online.

692 -
Unregistered - the man 10.13.2005 11:49
mistake i meant ps3 is better except for online

693 - Human Scum As Usual
Unregistered - Christopher 10.13.2005 15:09
I can't beleive the ignorance here. Every single one of you f***s are the lowest peice of living garbage that deserved the slowest and painful death. I was converted here by mistake to read this? !!!!

PS3 All the way.


694 - # 693
Unregistered - HAHA 10.13.2005 16:53
Don't you mean 'PS3 is for all the gays?'

I can't wait for you PS3 morons to EAT YOUR WORDS, get ready to cry you morons, watch as MS takes Sony apart


695 -
Unregistered - Sean 10.13.2005 17:12
we can all agree that Rev will sux the most right

696 - everyone.....just relax
Unregistered - aka 10.13.2005 19:26
Over the last few months.......all m$ have been trying to do was get more develope working on the 360......but all i ever heard sony talking about was how much mAore powerful their console is going to be.....common, sony care too much about it's console than it's develope........... i am gald to a Xsony fanboy.............step into the light of m$.....you never wanna go back...

697 - everyone.....just relax
Unregistered - aka 10.13.2005 19:28
Over the last few months.......all m$ have been trying to do was get more develope working on the 360......but all i ever heard sony talking about was how much more powerful their console is going to be.....c'mon, sony care too much about it's console than it's develope........... i am gald to a Xsony fanboy.............step into the light of m$.....you never wanna go back...

698 - everyone.....just relax
Unregistered - aka 10.13.2005 19:29
Over the last few months.......all m$ have been trying to do was get more develope working on the 360......but all i ever heard sony talking about was how much more powerful their console is going to be.....c'mon, sony care too much about it's console than it's develope........... i am gald to a Xsony fanboy.............step into the light of m$.....you never wanna go back...

699 - everyone.....just relax
Unregistered - aka 10.13.2005 19:29
Over the last few months.......all m$ have been trying to do was get more develope working on the 360......but all i ever heard sony talking about was how much more powerful their console is going to be.....c'mon, sony care too much about it's console than it's develope........... i am gald to a Xsony fanboy.............step into the light of m$.....you never wanna go back...

700 - everyone.....just relax
Unregistered - aka 10.13.2005 19:29
Over the last few months.......all m$ have been trying to do was get more develope working on the 360......but all i ever heard sony talking about was how much more powerful their console is going to be.....c'mon, sony care too much about it's console than it's develope........... i am gald to a Xsony fanboy.............step into the light of m$.....you never wanna go back...

701 - everyone.....just relax
Unregistered - aka 10.13.2005 19:29
Over the last few months.......all m$ have been trying to do was get more develope working on the 360......but all i ever heard sony talking about was how much more powerful their console is going to be.....c'mon, sony care too much about it's console than it's develope........... i am gald to a Xsony fanboy.............step into the light of m$.....you never wanna go back...

702 - True or False
Unregistered - Akakage 10.13.2005 21:23
Is this article true or false? Who knows. I would like to point out a few things. Since E3 it has been said that PS3 will be difficult to program for. Sony even touched on it during their meetings with the press and developers. If by chance there is some truth to this article it would not necessarily be because of sony's not so user-friendly development environment..but it would in fact be because of the HEAVY price tags that come with PS3 development(which is that the article is about anyway). 360 games are coming out at 59.99 already due to the rising cost of development. PS3 games are said to be even more expensive to develop. Part Cell processor, part Nvidia RSX and part Blu-Ray's fault. Sony has mandated a certain level of "quality" from everyone who develops ps3 games. Hideo Kojima even expressed concerns about that in Famitsu Mag (if I'm not mistakem..but I know article can be found on the net). Only time will tell...but its almost a virtual certainty that smaller developers will solely work on 360 unless their title is a huge success. We'll know how true it is soon enough

703 - AUTOBOTS = 3AY
Unregistered - MEGATRON 10.14.2005 01:31
AUTBOTS? more like autodots! YOU PIECES OF SHAT are worthless much like that stupid xbox 360. and Peice of ShAt 3 is also gonna suk major ass u mother suckers

704 - megatrons suck
Unregistered - Red Alert 10.14.2005 01:35
STupid megatron! stop hogging up space! you're stupid comments dont make any sence at all! your so illiterate! go back home! Xbox 360!

705 - We have the cyber key powers...!!!!!!!
Unregistered - Optimus Prime 10.14.2005 01:46
I Optimus Prime...declare xbox360 the best, i have spoken with the future ruler of the world, Bill Gates and he has declared that with the Cyber keys and Halo 3...comming out when Ps3 comes out, now for the xbox360 now with standard wireless controllers (in the premium package)...we shall have the power to destroy the the evil Deceptions and the PS3, Live in your world, Play in our sh*t.

706 - transformers
Unregistered - Megatron 10.14.2005 02:01
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! This is the end for you optimus! You went toooo far by talking to BIll Gates! You shall pay for this! Meet me after school so i can give u a piece of my mind!

707 - Biblical Allusions
Unregistered - Mr. Kramm 10.14.2005 02:08
Biblically speaking, the biblical allusions peerceived in the characterization of the Xbox 360 computer console sytematic system are conversly derived from the literal connotations of the exclusive digits 360. One can safely assume that the numbers 360 enables each player of the Xbox 360 computer console sytematic system to decipher the power of three embedded in the numbers 360. The power of three is the most important power of all, even greater than that of the cyber key power, so in the end "it's good to play together"-allusion to the Biblical event between Adam and EVE

708 - Mango Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unregistered - philipee Chaning 10.14.2005 02:15
hey everybody...Philipee Chaning the science man is here...you guys dont see the real importance of this board...to talk about what is really important not xbox...and not nintendo or ps3...and especially not transformers!!!...it is anime...any one who says otherwise i will hit u with chopsticks. MANGO Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

709 - There is a severe lack of hentai in this article.
Unregistered - Phil 10.14.2005 02:21
I crave that sweet tentacle bondage most prevalent among japanese games available for the PC. Also, I was wondering if it was possible to possibly confirm the possibility of being tested on a poisonwood bible test. I want your penis pavel. Bad. DYAH! CHING CHONG DING DONG!

710 - Fair enough!?!
Unregistered - Kramm 10.14.2005 02:26
DO YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING HERE? I can always bring it back to three. What? You have an alternative analysis to the literature? YOU'RE MAKING ME CRAZY! Fair enough? Huh? Right? No.

711 - BMW?
Unregistered - Lustin Gayhosa 10.14.2005 02:31
Personally speaking in person, i think that the brave new world should not be abbriviated as BNW but rather as BMW because then it can possibly stand for Break my weiner(shintzel) Tangently speaking, I am a g*y lover of dustin jehosa and i would love the possibility of a possible sexual encounter in the possibly possible nearly possible future.

712 - WAKE UP!
Unregistered - stephanie 10.14.2005 02:44
WAKE UP PHIL!! WAKE UP!!! Tu ne saverais pas? Tant pee pee pour toi! WAKE UP stop resting your eyes! MS. GARDEN, philip is sleeppppping!! WAKE UP AND next time TRY to stay awake!!!

713 - stop eating my cereal bars!
Unregistered - Fatass Allegory 10.14.2005 18:22
jezus christ! will you stop eating my god dam food! your parents are bazillionares but u still wanna be cheap and buy 2 dollar burritos each god dam day! will you or will you not stop molesting Dustin jehosa? omg xbox 359 rules major ass!

714 - JIMI HENDRIX ROCKS OMFG!!!!!!!!¡!¡!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.14.2005 18:30
Dude, did you know that transformers are robots in disguise? Lolerskates rofl in mayo said cho momma in bed lastnit whin i wuz lyke n*gga wut u b tahking boutz fooz? deeze hommies tinkk dey's up in da streetz, but dens deys like n*gga say wut? homie gaint be talklikeme cause ima real og and a rastifarian mc FRERA JAQUES FRUERA JAQUE DO MRUE VOUS? DOM MNRUE VBOOUS? SUNNY LAY MATINA SUNNY LAY MATINA DING DANG DONG DING DANG DONG
"He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
-Samuel Jackson (B*TCH!!! IM DAVE CHAPPELLE)


715 - More Priest Molestations.....
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.14.2005 18:35
O wait that was just Justin being a KWIER ROFLCOPTER

PHUQ D3M KWIERZ Up DAH AZZZZZZ


716 - WTF is jimmy Hendicks?
Unregistered - 50 nickels 10.14.2005 18:37
You thank u's the Og gangsta comin up in ma PS3 hood wit'cho monkey as$? Me the real G daugg runnin up in'da join't rait hither! "mother, why doth thy wear the letter 'A' upon they bosom?" BIATCH

717 - Location: HUNGARY, EUROPE HAZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.14.2005 18:40
Hey Post 713, I'm hungry, do you have any more cereal bars?

718 - liveevil
Unregistered - eman ruoy 10.14.2005 18:43
rofl? more like pancakes but too bad my mom threw away her cake making sh*t cuz we're in africa. and too bad rachel is a whore. i personally believe that this book is evil because it constitues the decapitation of fatasses like jimmy hendicks! too bad the world's gonna explode anyway! I'm paralyzed b*tches

719 - ps3 wat??
Unregistered - honky kong 10.14.2005 18:46
PS3 Losing Support from Developers? more like my Piece of Sh*t losing the support of my anus fibers as they excrete out in biblical proportions! Xcox all the way!

720 - The Power Of 3
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.14.2005 18:57
I Could not help but notice the startling fact that I have posted three posts before this one. Is this just mere coincidence? I think not. This is yet another addition to the uncanny phenominon of the appearance of the powers of 3 which are henceforth appearing at unprecedented rates. Refering to post 707, the xbox 360 is a series of 3 digits, all multiples of 3, (excluding 0) and their sum equals 9, also a multiple of 3. Additionally, post 707 is also a series of 3 digits, which when added equal 14, which is 5 more than the multiple of 3 times 3. Yet this prevelance of the letter 3 does not stop there. In World War II, there was the "Big 3," Franklin, Stalin, and Churchill, but even more startilingly, is the fact of the number that occurs after the number 2; 3. Yes, that is correct. What will come after WWII? WWIII. This appearance of the number 3 culminates into a most frightening scare at the consideration that the word Transformers is 3 syllables, and that the motto "Transformers, robots in disguise," is 3 words when you add 3 more words and subtract 2. Taking a leaf out of post 711's book, the chanse of the number 3 taking over the world most "possibly possible [in the] nearly possible future." We are all DOOMED.

p.s.: Additionally, I could not help but notice that the word "all" is 3 letters. Coincidence? I Think not. OMFG "I THINK NOT" IS 3 WORDS!!!! W'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! OMEFFGEEE "DIE" IS 3 LETTERS OMFG!!!!!!!!!


721 - O LORD!!!!!!
Unregistered - ashy larry 10.14.2005 19:08
SAPPERLIPOPETE! jimmy hendix is right we're all gounna die! PRAze gawd fo vitory but not really! dam i got ashes all over my body . i gotta stop smokin'...soon.

722 - kit kat or PS3?
Unregistered - kitty 10.14.2005 19:13
gimme a break, gimme a break, break me off a piece of that kunt kapers bar! mmm... kunt kapers what loads of Fun ! black gallager b*tch!WATTTTTTTOKAYYEAAAAA????!!!!????

723 - Suck my hick
Unregistered - Hick 10.14.2005 19:18
hickory dikkory dock, the b*tch ran down my cokk, the clock stuck 2, i dumped my goo, and then i ran off

i want it justin! now!


724 - hello again
Unregistered - lustin Gayhosa 10.14.2005 19:22
How do u want it(justin)? how do u feel?? Comin up as a ni99a in the cashgame livin in the fastlane im fo real! haha bizatch, u better get rid of that penis stench! its utterly gross (both french and english meanings)

725 - Freedom From the Institution of Faggotry
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.14.2005 19:23
my parents = being gone from the house at this hither of a moment, so I shall partake into the belief that i will be partaking away from the computerdora at the moment to begin the long awaited ritual of masterbation to the pornography that is of the homosexual content, thereby containing the contents of that other then women; therefore being that of men, while i touch my c*ck, being my male rooster that I keep in a shed out back. Catfish?

726 -
Unregistered - 10.14.2005 19:31
OMFG POST 711 is so f*cking god damn hallarious that i just crammed a penis into my rectum

727 -
PAUL CERULA 10.15.2005 01:56
THE RESPONSE FROM SONY SHEEP IS AMAZING. SONY KEEPS THEIR CUSTOMERS THROUGH HIGH EXPECTATIONS, VAGUE INFORMATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE GREAT PART OF NAIVE VIDEO GAME CONSUMERS.

728 - reply to #727
Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.15.2005 07:21
screw u b!tch, we going to buy ps3. not some dig sh1t box.

PS: plz get out from ps3 website.... u annoying everything on this ps3 website. go back to your box website. geez man.


729 - read this guyz
Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.15.2005 07:21
Nintendo Revolution to go on sale for $99?Oct 10, 2005 @ 4:08 am · Filed under Nintendo Revolution

Lately, there’s been a fair amount of speculation on all things Revolution-related, such as whether these leaked technical specifications are the real deal. Next up seems to be the Revolution’s price: will it really be as low as $99? Recent rumors surfacing on the internet seem to suggest that this is quite possible.

The argument in favor of this price point is that the Revolution will be the least powerful of the three consoles, and will require game developers to significantly modify games in order to achieve cross-platform playability due to the Revolution’s unique controller and reduced power.

However, since Nintendo is largely reliant on exclusive titles, their choice to go for “lightweight” hardware may work to their advantage by making the console easier to develop for.

But could it sell for $99?

Examining recent comments made by Nintendo president Saturo Iwata seems to indicate that this is possible. In an interview with television network G4, Iwata conceded that Nintendo’s next generation console would be less powerful, saying,

“If you are just going to compare the spec sheets and spec numbers, Revolution may not have an equal or higher number as the PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.”

He went on to say that he wished to expand the gaming population with the launch of the Revolution, attracting non-gamers to the world of gaming by way of its intuitive new controller, and, it would seem, a lower price tag. Iwata stated that

“Revolution’s price must be affordable for non-gamers”

and indicated that even gamers who bought the PS3 and Xbox 360 would likely purchase the Revolution - a feat not likely to be achievable unless the Revolution is priced significantly lower than Microsoft and Sony’s next-generation offerings.

Iwata, however, stopped short of giving a price point for the Revolution in his interview, leaving gamers and Nintendo fans to speculate on the possibility of a significantly cheaper next-generation console.


man if this really going to happen,..... i am going to buy Revolution... sooo kick a$ cheap. Oh wait oh cos...i am going to buy PS3....n fuk 360.


730 - Damm the Xbox 360............?Öߦ
Unregistered - §oul_§courge 10.15.2005 16:54
Down with xbox i will never support then but come on PS3 dont give up ever understand must play MGS4.........

731 - Just my thoughts, what do you think?
Unregistered - Cash Rules 10.15.2005 17:43
Even if ps3 lose some software development support, it's not the end of the world cause technically they'll sell more units and developers will flock to what ever console sells the most I mean after all that's how developers make their money. The 360 could be simply the best console ever made but, if it lacks the software people won't buy it. And since the ps3 has a sony product people will flock to it because of brand recognition. Personally i'll be going with the 360 this time around. I had my ps2 since 2000. Microsoft is workin hard to get developers to bring their brands to the 360 and that's a good thing.
Now the concensus is that the 360 is easier to develop for. Means that more companies would start to join Ms team which intern the 360 will have more games and games sales systems and could very much so out sell the ps3 this time around except maybe in japan and even their you never know what might happene. Microsoft has a good product this time around and it's giving sony a run for their money.


732 - COSTS GO DOWN
Unregistered - hyuuga kid 10.16.2005 14:18




Costs go down as years go by whats expensive today cheap tomorrow


733 - Makes sense
Unregistered - Moderator 10.16.2005 18:12
I knwo why PS3 is losing Devlopers. You see the next gen everyone is talking about is DVDs and three sore processors. Not blue ray, cells, ect. Sony is ignoring todays latest and most popular equipment and going for somthing that will be popular about ten years down the road.

The change from CDs to DVDs has just begun and Sony has decided to skip out on this transaction by presenting things that will not be in widespread use next year.

Basicly... Sony... Get with the program and stop trying to push the technology dozens of years forward. People want things that fits in with other everyday stuff such as movies on DVDs, PC games on DVDs and music DVDs. I suggest you go with DVDs for this console and use then next few years to further devlope the Blue ray technology so it will be awsome for the PS4.


734 -
PAUL CERULA 10.16.2005 23:13
QUIT WHINING PS3 SHEEP AND LET IT BE

735 - why
Unregistered - idunno 10.17.2005 00:55
Does n e 1 kno bout the recently released game Magna Carta for ps2? There's gonna b a sequel 2 it not on the ps3, but on xbox360. Why is this?

736 -
Unregistered - yo mama 10.17.2005 11:25
YES its is what i like to hear BS3 is going down

737 - You guys are retarded
Unregistered - Official PS3 affiliate 10.17.2005 21:31
FEW TIMES I CHECK THE MAGAZINE ADS, I EVEN TRY IN THE INDIAN CHAT, CUZ I WANT TO FIND THE RIGHT GIRL, I WANT A CURRY AND RICE GIRL, ..., I ASK MY DAD AND I ASK MY MOM, TO PUT MY BIO DATA ON SHADI.COM, CUZ THEY WANT TO FIND THE RIGHT GIRL, THEY REALLY DON'T WANT A WHITE GIRL!

738 - Curry and Rice
Unregistered - Official PS3 affiliate 10.17.2005 21:39
DON'T FORGET TO CHECK OUT "CURRY AND RICE FLAVOURS" COMING OUT AS A LAUNCH TITLE FOR THE PS3. KEN KUTARAGI EVEN MENTIONED THAT "[this] TITLE HAS A LOT OF MUCH TO OFFER TO THE YOUNGER COMMUNITY OF THE PS3 TREND" AND "WE ARE LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO THE LAUNCH OF 'CURRY AND RICE FLAVOURS', A GAME DEVELOPED BY THE 'FOBBED OUT' DIVISION OF TAKE-2 GAMES!

739 - How Long do you get to keep the girlfriend?
Unregistered - Official PS3 affiliate 10.17.2005 21:50
HAHA GROG! YOUS ARES TRULYS FUNNYS! TOO BAD JEZUS ISN'T WHITE GROG, HE ISN'T! HE ISN'T! TRUST ME...OKAY? JEZUS HAS A DARK COMPLEXION AND DARK HAIR, IT'S JUST THE AMERICAN SOCIETY CANNOT PERCEIVE A DARK JEZUS SO THEY MADE HIM WHITE AND SINCE YOU ARE WHITE I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR THINKING JEZUS IS WHITE, EVEN THOUGH HE ISN'T AND YEA I AM POSITIVE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HIS myspace PROFILE AND I'M ALSO SURE YOU ARE LOVING THIS RUN ON SENTENCE. MILK BABY, W000!

740 - Defference to the biblical allusions of christian ellusion in the present world of today, refering to those biblical allusions
Unregistered - jimi hendrix 10.18.2005 17:59
Dude jesusis as white as the cum on ur face, but too bad hedoesn't exist because christianity is just a fairy tail, just like cho momma is a fairy in bed with me last night when we were having hot man sex because your momma is a "tranvestite, Justin in disguise."

741 - curry and rice taste good unless they are made from curry and rice
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.18.2005 18:10
by the way, that curry and rice shat isn't even funny, it's just dumb, just because indian people can't talk right doesn't make the fact that your mom loves my penis humorous. Aside from that, I would like to additionally add that your mom loves my penis. Or does she? FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF TRANSHOMOS!!!!!!!

ROFLcopter
LOLerskates
LMAOyonase


742 - apurva and my aim conversation just so you can read it an nose into our private conversations
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.18.2005 18:23
JimiHendrix STTS (3:16:24 PM): i wrote u 2 new comments
JimiHendrix STTS (3:16:27 PM): on ps3
fastlane978 (3:16:28 PM): ok
fastlane978 (3:16:34 PM): did stephen tell u
JimiHendrix STTS (3:16:40 PM): dude as u said milkrocks
JimiHendrix STTS (3:16:44 PM): steve is afdk
fastlane978 (3:18:14 PM): lol
fastlane978 (3:18:20 PM): wat the fuk are the questions
JimiHendrix STTS (3:18:23 PM): u read them both?
fastlane978 (3:18:26 PM): yea
fastlane978 (3:18:31 PM): mines better
JimiHendrix STTS (3:18:34 PM): jesus is as white as the cum on ur face
fastlane978 (3:18:39 PM): thats dum
fastlane978 (3:18:42 PM): no stupid g*y sh*t
fastlane978 (3:18:45 PM): new rule
JimiHendrix STTS (3:19:01 PM): what
fastlane978 (3:19:10 PM): wtf are the dam questions!!!!
fastlane978 (3:19:20 PM): for english
JimiHendrix STTS (3:19:41 PM): but my comments are Deffering to the biblical allusions of christian ellusion in the present world of today, refering to those biblical allusions
JimiHendrix STTS (3:19:50 PM): where as urs are not
JimiHendrix STTS (3:20:03 PM): the
fastlane978 (3:20:05 PM): NO
fastlane978 (3:20:13 PM): wtf are the english questions
fastlane978 (3:20:15 PM): for the essay
fastlane978 (3:20:16 PM): omg
JimiHendrix STTS (3:20:19 PM): i dont know dip sh*t
JimiHendrix STTS (3:20:23 PM): steven isn't here
fastlane978 (3:20:28 PM): well he is
fastlane978 (3:20:28 PM): hes on
fastlane978 (3:20:32 PM): just no answring
JimiHendrix STTS (3:20:35 PM): now shut the fu*k up you


743 - I'm a homo sapien (minus the sapien)
Unregistered - Gregernator 10.18.2005 19:04
My name is greg and i love to suck penis all day. my hobbies include: sucking, fuking, dry humping, penis jumping, deepthroating, cum loathing ...well u get the idea. Visit my website: bukakeongreg.com for a chance unload on me!

744 - A post regarding the enormous size of my genitals
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.18.2005 19:11
My penis is large, unlike apurva's, whose name I will not captalize because he likes feeling low class and enjoys being dominated by men like with me who happen to have genitals that are of monstrous porportions. According to Albert Einstein: "Math is hard." Yes. Hard, just like apurva's penis when he catches sight of my man stick. Well that's enough about my slave for now.

745 - Look at the chickens run!
Unregistered - Chicken Chaser 10.18.2005 19:16
It's too bad the United States gives away $15 million to Israel everyday, because we could've really used that money to help the 30 million people in poverty. These people are in dire need of entertainment because visiting bukakeongreg.com just isn't enough anymore. With $15 million one could purchase (at the current rate) about 18,750 PS3s for these underprivileged beings. So, to sum up the facts listed above, we can estimate that if for every cum load on greg's face we were given 2 pennies, we'd have $15 million to buy poor kids PS3s. Ass Paste w000!

746 - WEEN?
Unregistered - jimi Hendrix 10.18.2005 19:22
Ok everyone LOOK AT THIS apurvert gaycock is a man!!!! HOLY SH*T WHAT A SURPRIZE. i was gonna put what school he goes to so you can make fun of him, but he almost had a hernia on aim. I think ill just post his email instead

747 -
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.18.2005 19:27
Throughout my life I have discerned that homosexuals are homosexual. Just though you'd like to know

748 - b payshient nigga
Unregistered - 10.18.2005 23:10
YE dem homez tink deyz ben tellin meh hoe teh ruhn meh sheet? awwwwz fukz naww homez. Dey ain't be running up dat striet tak up in herre. IZ ben lyke fuk dem haf niggz tink dey wak round lyke deyz b owning deyz playce. And iz wuz like dem nikkaz aint be rollin up in hrere cuz dat sheet aint be stiet stiele lyke dey ben saiyin cuz niggaz iz wak homez cuz u ben lyke mah mayn man homez cuz dey aint been up in herre cuz deyz CAINT ben up in herre lyke weez ben up in hrizzere IIHT? niggz me homez y mie been lyke nigga nawz cuz u aint fo reel cuz dem pee. ess.3 b cummin out sune nig so b payyyshient cuz wen we git it we b blastin dem homez up from east side cuz we west niggz be dat sheet. AIGHT????

749 - word on street
Unregistered - John Smith 10.18.2005 23:11
finally we get some niggger input 'round here!

750 - i'll have more games than you
Unregistered - green lantern 10.19.2005 13:28
haha its funny reading people fight over these systems....im getting both systems so i dont really care wats better cuz i get to experience the best games from both
systems.....i'll be playing GoW in the morning MGS4 in the afternoon HALO 3 at night then GT5 and PGR3 or maybe the new FORZA the next day.....haha ALL THE BEST GAMES ARE GONNA BE ALL MINE!!!


751 - ha ha
Ken Daou 10.20.2005 07:01
these wounds wont seem to heel, this pain is just too real thers just too much that the time cannot eraseeeeeeeeeee........

752 - U.S.A ALL THE WAY...
Unregistered - NEW GLORY 10.20.2005 17:23
M$ has done a great job to get this far, in such a short period of time. Basically they took everything sony has done and improved on it. Sony is still playing mind games with it's public and every one is seeing the difference. Yes there will still be some that's loyal to sony however, M$ is really striving to get the number one position. That coupled with their online service and software support is going to put them in the number one position. IF they can get the jap market it's over for sony. It's a long shot but not impossible. I like the ps2 and im sure the ps3 would be nice too, but the 360 is really something to behold and sony knows this. Good job bill, robbie, and j. U.S all the way babyyyyyy.

753 - N!gger????
Unregistered - Malcom ten 10.20.2005 17:29
748 AND 749, Ya'll some lil white boys and would'nt dare talk that sh!t face to face to a real nigga cause you'll get your face bashed in. 748 black people do not talk that way I mean really, you've been watch mtv or something. There are educated black men and women all over the world that stereo type your trying to showcase is the minority if it exists. Now talk about them red neck chicken sh!t mother fokers your use to. And 749 you know you a lil farm raised hill billy, chill with all that N word talk that's what's wrong with this country now. Stop the ignorance and get educated.

754 -
Unregistered - Boater 10.20.2005 21:17
to 748

u sound hella boater lol


755 - W!gger????
Unregistered - lil Bo Sue 10.20.2005 23:05
753, Ya'll some lil black boys and would'nt dare talk that p!ss ass to ass to a real wigga cause you'll get your ass bashed in. 748 white people do not talk that way I mean unreally, you've been watch vh1 or something. There are uneducated white women and men all over the world that radio type your trying to showcase is the majority if it exists. Now talk about them blue ankle cow p!ss father tokers your use to. And 753 you know you a big ghetto raised hood rat, warm with all that W word talk that's what's right with this country then. Start the ignorance and get uneducated.

756 - Black Gallager b!tch
Unregistered - Lynchanig 10.21.2005 01:30
My name is lynchnig birope and i would just like to say how ignorant people are. People are very ignorant. Ignorance plauges us all because of the ignorant. Niggers dont talk like weird people, only ignorant people think they talk weird because they are ignorant. A great man once said "those that are ignorant of nigger talk should go to hell" I agree with this non-ignorant man because he is not ignorant like many people in this blog. I think i am also not an ignorant person and because of my inignorant qualities i think you guys should follow the right path towards non-ignorant ignorance.

757 -
Unregistered - Gman 10.21.2005 08:24
If you guys are american, Americans are stupid...

758 - PS@ blows little pen is
Unregistered - ! 10.21.2005 18:47
i am american and your calling me dumb i have an iq of 109! Think before you say something you jap

759 - blak pEpulz r smart lolz
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.21.2005 20:29
Post 753:
748 AND 749, Ya'll some lil white boys and would'nt dare talk that sh!t face to face to a real nigga cause you'll get your face bashed in. 748 black people do not talk that way I mean really, you've been watch mtv or something. There are educated black men and women all over the world that stereo type your trying to showcase is the minority if it exists. Now talk about them red neck chicken sh!t mother fokers your use to. And 749 you know you a lil farm raised hill billy, chill with all that N word talk that's what's wrong with this country now. Stop the ignorance and get educated.

Hey post 753, good job showing me how all the black people aren't ignorant. Good job failing to add "ing" after watch in ". . . you've been watch mtv or something." Additionally, ". . . that stereo type your trying to showcase" you mean that stereo type "you're" trying to show case? There is a difference between your and you're. You're just proving my point that black people don't know how to talk. Weigh ta repriesint brotha.

p.s.: I do agree that there are educated black men and women. Just not many.


760 - blak pEpulz r smart lolz
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.21.2005 20:34
Post 753:
748 AND 749, Ya'll some lil white boys and would'nt dare talk that sh!t face to face to a real nigga cause you'll get your face bashed in. 748 black people do not talk that way I mean really, you've been watch mtv or something. There are educated black men and women all over the world that stereo type your trying to showcase is the minority if it exists. Now talk about them red neck chicken sh!t mother fokers your use to. And 749 you know you a lil farm raised hill billy, chill with all that N word talk that's what's wrong with this country now. Stop the ignorance and get educated.

Hey post 753, good job showing me how all the black people aren't ignorant. Good job failing to add "ing" after watch in ". . . you've been watch mtv or something." Additionally, ". . . that stereo type your trying to showcase" you mean that stereo type "you're" trying to show case? There is a difference between your and you're. You're just proving my point that black people don't know how to talk. Weigh ta repriesint brotha.

p.s.: I do agree that there are educated black men and women. Just not many.


761 - blak pEpulz r smart lolz
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.21.2005 20:34
Post 753:
748 AND 749, Ya'll some lil white boys and would'nt dare talk that sh!t face to face to a real nigga cause you'll get your face bashed in. 748 black people do not talk that way I mean really, you've been watch mtv or something. There are educated black men and women all over the world that stereo type your trying to showcase is the minority if it exists. Now talk about them red neck chicken sh!t mother fokers your use to. And 749 you know you a lil farm raised hill billy, chill with all that N word talk that's what's wrong with this country now. Stop the ignorance and get educated.

Hey post 753, good job showing me how all the black people aren't ignorant. Good job failing to add "ing" after watch in ". . . you've been watch mtv or something." Additionally, ". . . that stereo type your trying to showcase" you mean that stereo type "you're" trying to show case? There is a difference between your and you're. You're just proving my point that black people don't know how to talk. Weigh ta repriesint brotha.

p.s.: I do agree that there are educated black men and women. Just not many.


762 - blak pEpulz r smart lolz
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.21.2005 20:34
Post 753:
748 AND 749, Ya'll some lil white boys and would'nt dare talk that sh!t face to face to a real nigga cause you'll get your face bashed in. 748 black people do not talk that way I mean really, you've been watch mtv or something. There are educated black men and women all over the world that stereo type your trying to showcase is the minority if it exists. Now talk about them red neck chicken sh!t mother fokers your use to. And 749 you know you a lil farm raised hill billy, chill with all that N word talk that's what's wrong with this country now. Stop the ignorance and get educated.

Hey post 753, good job showing me how all the black people aren't ignorant. Good job failing to add "ing" after watch in ". . . you've been watch mtv or something." Additionally, ". . . that stereo type your trying to showcase" you mean that stereo type "you're" trying to show case? There is a difference between your and you're. You're just proving my point that black people don't know how to talk. Weigh ta repriesint brotha.

p.s.: I do agree that there are educated black men and women. Just not many.


763 - blak pEpulz r smart lolz
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.21.2005 20:34
Post 753:
748 AND 749, Ya'll some lil white boys and would'nt dare talk that sh!t face to face to a real nigga cause you'll get your face bashed in. 748 black people do not talk that way I mean really, you've been watch mtv or something. There are educated black men and women all over the world that stereo type your trying to showcase is the minority if it exists. Now talk about them red neck chicken sh!t mother fokers your use to. And 749 you know you a lil farm raised hill billy, chill with all that N word talk that's what's wrong with this country now. Stop the ignorance and get educated.

Hey post 753, good job showing me how all the black people aren't ignorant. Good job failing to add "ing" after watch in ". . . you've been watch mtv or something." Additionally, ". . . that stereo type your trying to showcase" you mean that stereo type "you're" trying to show case? There is a difference between your and you're. You're just proving my point that black people don't know how to talk. Weigh ta repriesint brotha.

p.s.: I do agree that there are educated black men and women. Just not many.


764 - post 753 i agrie
Unregistered - pimpin b ezy 4 mah azz 10.22.2005 22:57
Haz post 7fiddy3 i toatally agrie wit u homez just want chu ta know. gude job represintin us blak niggaz showen dem whit boyz dat we b talkin edumacated n stuf. I mean wha b i doin now? huh? wha? wha b i doin now dumass white boyz? i b talkin dats wut i be doin now huh cuz? ye dats rit dem white boyz say weez niggaz caint be non talkin but i b talkin rit now homez cuz dem white boyz iz rong fo sho yo WEST SIDE FO LIFE NIKKAZZZZZ

765 - THat's almost as funny as my body figure
Unregistered - Mrs. Jerkkquad 10.23.2005 01:51
AHAHAHA, woeuueeoo AHAHA that's quite funny there mr. jimi hendrix. too bad u suck at chess and can never beat that geneius boy u call ur friend. AHAHA im ffat

766 - The awesomeness of awesemitty
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.24.2005 18:32
dude Mrs. Jerkkquad is the best teacher ever. She gives us free McDonalds, so we can get fat and die young, in our prime, like all real men should.

767 - She'll Be A Comin' 'Round Teh Mountain When She Comes
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.24.2005 21:01
Dude you know what's funny? There's this guy named Justin at my school who thinks he's straight, but he hella is not.

dude check this out:
http://www.google.com/search?q=+jew+well+at+least+it+fixed+my+nose+harvard+american+author+book&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en


768 -
Unregistered - The truth! 10.25.2005 19:53
PS3 Losing Support? Not!
September 30th, 2005 | By Henning in PS3 software | No Comments »
At TGS this year 102 games were announced as being in development for the PS3. And yet there are rumours that the PS3 is losing support from developers. The rumours are based on a hard-to-decipher article on a Japanese website.

I think we have to keep our heads here, folks. Remember the PS2? It was extremely hard to develop for, but was by far the most successful console last round. Now the PS3 comes along, and Sony has put in a lot of effort to make it easy to develop for, and now supposedly people are abandoning the platform? Sounds like someone trying to make up some news to me.



769 - got cow?
Unregistered - Apu Nahasapemapatalan 10.26.2005 00:33
Hello how are u?
My name is APu
Beef is what i eat
i eat with my feet
and the cow goes Moo


770 - NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!! BIGGEST STORY EVER!!!!!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.26.2005 20:02
I'll tell you tommorrow

771 - timi dentrix
Unregistered - OLD FLASH!!! SMALLEST STORY EVER!! 10.27.2005 01:40
tell me now penis face

772 - elmo
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.27.2005 18:09
"Transformers, more than meets the eye. Transformers, the name of the person who just posted the previous post loves guys."
-My transformers song you nub.


773 - download my song for free
Unregistered - Timi Hendriz 10.27.2005 21:49
download my latest hit "tranformers!" FREE for only $19.99 at bukakeongreg.com ! This song is part of the long trilogy devoted to myself. Specifically, this song is a sequel to my previous hits: "bang bang, i love men" and "Look at the seamen run!"

774 - how yall like my song?
Unregistered - justine "deflower" marose 10.27.2005 22:25
uh 1 uh 2 uh 1 2 3 4
justin really likes men in bed
just like his grand daddy once said
at the beach he watches seamen run
all in all for simple pleasure and fun

bang bang i love Mr. Tin
wang wang i know it's a sin
bang bang look at the seamen run
bang bang here comes some more cum

on my face i like testis and penis all over
i think i should change my name to Ben Dover
screwing hairy men has nothing to do with shame
if your three year turns g@y I'm the one to blame

SPEACIAL OUTRO FROM PINKY FLOYD:

...but it was only fantasy
....the child he'd loved was older than three
....no matter how he tried he could not perceive
........why God looked upon him with disdain

Tranformers ROBOTS wearing gondy dots!


775 - justine "deflower" marose
Unregistered - how yall like my song? (edit) 10.27.2005 22:30
uh 1 uh 2 uh 1 2 3 4
justin really likes men in bed
just like his grand daddy once said
at the beach he watches seamen run
all in all for simple pleasure and fun

bang bang i love Mr. Tin
wang wang i know it's a sin
bang bang look at the seamen run
bang bang here comes some more cum

on my face i like testis and penis all over
i think i should change my name to Ben Dover
screwing hairy men has nothing to do with shame
if your three year old turns g@y I'm the one to blame

SPECIAL OUTRO FROM PINKY FLOYD (courtesy of Greg):

...but it was only fantasy
....the child he'd loved was older than three
....no matter how he tried he could not perceive
........why God looked upon him with disdain

Tranformers ROBOTS wearing gondy dots!



776 - poll
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 10.27.2005 23:16
is apurva straight? answer by typing 1 or 2 or 3

1=no
2=same as number 1
3=same as number 2


777 -
Unregistered - Richard Doan 10.28.2005 01:20
You dumbasses are fvcking this up beyond repair. Stop being idiots.

778 - the dumbass ^
Unregistered - the dumbass ^ 10.29.2005 03:32
yea guys stop DO-AN richard, thats really g@y!

779 - --READ THIS--
Unregistered - TRUTH HURTS 10.30.2005 14:39
--READ THIS--
IF YOU LIKE THE PS3 THAN YOU ARE A FOOL, YOU KNOW THE WAY WHEN A GAME FOR ANY PLATFORM IS BEING MADE, BE IT THE CONCEPT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS ALWAYS FALSE HYPE; I.E. - "ULTRA REALSITIC AI", WE'VE ALL HEARD THAT BEFORE AND THIS DATES BACK TO WHEN AI WAS NOT CLOSE TO REALISTIC AT ALL, NOW THE POINT THAT IM TRYING TO PROVE IS THAT ALL THOSE LITTLE TIDBITS OF PS3 KNOWLEDGE YOUR ALL KICKING AROUND IS AS MUCH A FALSE HYPE AS ABOVE. THEN THERES THE XBOX360 - THE FACTS ARE LAYED OUT, EVERYTHING IS COMING TOGETHER NICELY WITH A FEW PROMISING LOOKING LAUNCH TITLES; I.E. - CONDEMNED -CO. NOW I HEAR THAT DEVELOPERS ARE MOVING TO THE XBOX360 AWAY FROM THE PS3, THE FACTS ARE LAYED OUT AND EVERYHTING IS COMING TOGETHER NICELY.
PEOPLE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THE XBOX1 AND PS2, PS2 HAVING WAY MORE GAMES AND DOING BETTER ECONOMICALLY, -BUT- THE QUALITY OF XBOX GAMES SURPASSED PS2, NOT AS MANY GAMES, YES, BUT AS KURTZ SAYS IN APOCALYPSE NOW(NOT A DIRECT QUOTE); IF WE HAD HALF THE AMOUNT OF MEN (GAMES) FIGHTING THE WAR AND THEY WERE COMPLETELY DEVOTED (OF HIGHER QUALITY) THE WAR WOULD BE OVER BY NOW. IF XBOX HAD HALF THE AMOUNT OF GAMES BUT THEY WERE BETTER QUALITY "THE XBOX VS PS WAR" WOULD BE OVER BY NOW. I DONT NEED HUNDEREDS OF GAMES, JUST A COUPLE REAL GEMS (SPLINTER CELL, WHICH LOOKS BETTER ON XBOX COUSE OF THE SHADING, HAD TO BE DUMBED DOWN FOR PS2). ALL OF YOU DEVOTEE'S TO PS SHOULD TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK AT YOURSELF AND REALISE THAT ITS ALL COMING TO AN END, SO DONT ACT ALL SPITEFULL WHEN PS3 STOP RELEASING GAMES LIKE DREAMCAST, YOU WONT BUY A 360 BUT SULK AT A PC WHILE UPDATING YOUR GRAPHICS CARD FOR THE NEXT 2 YEARS SAYING YOU STILL THOUGHT PS3 WAS BETTER OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN YOUR DIMLY LIT COMPUTER ROOM.... MY 2 CENTS? NO, MY WHOLE ANNUAL SALARY. HELLO & GOODBYE PS3, THAT QUICK.


780 - buttocks blasphemy
Unregistered - chicken chaser 10.30.2005 16:14
THE FACTS ARE LAID OUT! THEY ARE LAID OUT YALL! IF YALL LIKE THE PS3 YALL BE FOOLS CUZ THE FACTS ARE LAID OUT YALL! THE XBOX HAS BETTER GRAPHICS EVEN THOUGH THE PS3 IS FASTER HAS MORE TECHNOLOGY AND IS JAPANESE! XBOX HAS SPECIAL POWERS YALL CUZ THE FACTS ARE LAID OUT YALL! LOOK AT THE FACTS! THEY ARE ALL LAID OUT YALL!THE MUTHER FUKIN XBOX HAS 1.1 PIXEL SHADER YALL! IT CAN SHADE LIKE HELL YALL! THE FACTS ARE LAID OUT YALL! I MEAN IF SOMEONE IS WILL TO PAY $250.83 TO GET A WIRED XBOX 360 CONTROLLER BEFORE IT COMES OUT IT MUST BE GOOD YALL! THE FACTS ARE SO LAID OUT! TAKE A REAL HAAAAAAARD LOOK AT THE SITUATION YALL! LOOK AT THE FACTS! THEY'RE RIGHT THERE YALL! HELLO AND GOOD BYE DIGNITY. THAT QUICK!

781 - assho
Unregistered - mushi sushi 10.30.2005 16:26
you dirty motho fukers ????????????????????GOT DAT? pS3 is da shizzney okay? xbox suks big time okay? I live in tokinawakilatimika, japan and i work for SCEA and we make da bomb computer consoles! 50 cent a lot A MONEY! you save fifty cent now by buyin xbox then u still dont have enough money to buy ps3! dont buy xbox buy ps3! me a man!

782 - PWNED? BBQ
Unregistered - OPTIMUS PRIME 10.30.2005 16:34
YALL...!...ARE STUPID...YALL...!...OPTIMUS PRIME AGREES WITH..."CHICKIN CHASER"...IF THE AUTOBOTS(XBOX360) HAD HAVE AS MANY GAMES(AUTOBOTS)AS THE DECEPTICONS (PS3) WE WOULD WIN THE WAR AND CAPTURE ALL THE CYBERKEYS AND THE OMEGA LOCKS AND THE ENERGON AND RULE THE WORLD...?....YALL...! THE APOCOLYPSE...MEGATRON IS COMMIN...YALL...! AND WE MUST STOP IT...YALL...! ROLL OUT...YALL...!AUTOBOTS...YALL...WAGE THEIR BATTLES...YALL...TO DEFEAT THE EVIL...YALL...FORCES...YALL...OF THE...DECEPTICONS...YALL...TRANSFORMERS ROBOTS IN DISGUISE...YALL...TRANSFROMERS...TRUTH HURTS LOVES GUYS...YALL...HEY...THE TRANSFORMERS ARE COMMIN TO SAVE THE DAY...YALL HEYY...YALL...HIPP HIPP...HORRAY...THUTH HURTS IS GAYY!...YALLL...THATS ALL MY ENGERGON...YALL ROLLOUT!!!!

783 - i love u optimus
Unregistered - babybot 10.30.2005 16:44
OMG ITS REALLY OPTIMUS PRIME AHHHHH omg CAN I HAVE YOUR ELECTRONIC AUTOGRAPH???? BTW DIDNT YOU DIE IN 2005 after a fierce battle with Megatron during a Decepticon invasion of Autobot City? O WELL, RESSURRECTION!!!! I LOUVE YOU , YOU LOVE ME, TRUTH HURTS IS AN UGLY FAGGOET QUEEN, WITH A GREAT BIG HUG AND A KISS FROM ME TO YOU, WONT YOU SAY TRUTH HURTS IS POO

784 - In Memory of Optimus Prime R.I.P. 2005
Unregistered - Rodimus Prime 10.30.2005 16:48
This is a poem by Rodimus Prime......clearing throat...Once upon a midnight dreary, The Autobots made Decepticons weary, Over many a mile to be fought, With volumes of energon to be sought, When they clashed, metal slashed, and from the mist came a flash, Optimus Prime started rapping, Autobots rollout!, with your guns zapping, The Omega is what we seek, To sell at the Cybertron store, Only this and nothing more. Thuth Hurts is a Whore!!! In Memory of Optimus Prime R.I.P. 2005

785 - BITER! - quoth the raven
Unregistered - edgar allen poe 10.30.2005 16:57
"how preposterous of thyself to interlude with my work? thy poeme is the connotative replication of my "raven"! obviously thou has employed specific literary devices such as repetition, rhyme and satire with regards to the infamous Truth Hurts (and indeed it does)the rhyming scheme is apparent on the surface intermingling with the undescipherable meaning below the surface. Palentologically speaking, we must dig deep into the peomee to find its roots of existance. And who is this Optimal Primate you so speak of? Seems of the g@y to me however his interpretation of my idealogically unconsistantially lugubreous work is substantially and complacentely objective"

- quoth the raven


786 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 19:57
I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible.

787 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 19:57
I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible.

788 -
PAUL CERULA 10.31.2005 22:45
786 and 787 isn't the real spartan, just a forum pu$y with a similar name to mine

789 - xbox 1.5?
Unregistered - jerkin gregory 11.01.2005 19:55
you mean to say Xbox 180 instead of 1.5 don't you? wat a dum asss! 1.5 is no where close to the power of 3. 180 divided by 60 ( the number of days in 2 months) = 3 u dum asss. Anyway, Xbox (autobots) to PS3 (decepticons) is like straightness to THE TRUTH HURTS yall! THE FACTS IS LAYED OUT !

790 - Aperver hitting teh cac again
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.01.2005 21:15
Stop biting off my name cause it's so extremely superior to that of which belongs to you. I know you're jealous that bukkakeongreg.com is bringing me home $150 per day. That's $350,000 per year! (If you multiply my actual earnings by 6.392694064). Ger'off deze nuts (I only accept semen on the face).

791 - democrats close senate doors in Iraq protest (My nuts itch).
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.01.2005 21:18
YOU HEARD ME RIGHT I MAKE $350,000 EVERY 6.39269406 YEARS!!!!!!!

792 - dunt nun o dem fooz been left
Unregistered - KAK (Jimi Hendrix) 11.01.2005 21:24
nowz i dunt want yallz teh git offindid, but demz democratz bien walkin oot dem senatorium. Noz i dunt wunt no dishcushion un dish sheet, cuz im just sayin dit k? i'm jusht sayin eet kay? mmmmkay. mmmmmmmmkaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAyyyyyy!!!! just lyke dem Bushes in de prezidency ben lyke accused of witchcraft or sumptin. no wait it t'waz fashism. LYKE LOLZ deem Bushes is commies now im gunna go eat a krummkake cuz it lukes lyke mah name is spelled

793 - suk on this KAK lil jim
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.01.2005 21:49
wat the frock biatchess? wat up? huh? wat up? Cucumbers taste better'n pickles! thaas rittte biatches? and what the funk net setter uppper? was gottn in yo skulz? ya think u can make fun of peep? i dont think u can! yous stupid mutha fuka? you thanks u sly with that shiazzal. yous so dam not !

STTS = semen taste testing serviceman


794 - OMG i'm being serious!
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.02.2005 00:41
Okay guys, i know i've been putting up a lot of crap lately and i would like to take this opportunity to apologize on my part. NOT!! greg's gayy ! U'll never get my bars biitchh, never!

795 - Anti-Sarcasm
Unregistered - HaHAAAHahaH 11.02.2005 09:35
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796 - idiot
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.02.2005 19:19
more like PSux 3 and XRox 360

797 - THE XBRICK
Unregistered - PES5 CHAMPION 11.02.2005 19:47
xbox rox say that in a xbox forum b*tch

PS2 90+million units
xbox 20 million units
Gamecube 18 million units
PSP 10 million Units in 10 months

FACTS B*TCH SONY STILL KINGS
XBOX360 = RUSHED PUT TOGETHER PIECE CRAP That only a moron would buy

DVD ROM SO THATS LIKE 4 DISCS FOR ONE RPG

XBOX LOSERS GO HOME AND LOOK AT THAT BIG Piece of sh*t called the xbrick no sorry i mean the xbox


798 - Mark 16:3
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 20:31
B*tch, I will have those cereal bars whether you like it or not. THE FACTS ARE LAYED OUT Y'ALL! It's even prothesized in the bible:
"On the day that cometh, marked eleven dash three,
One man will take Apurva's bar, and make history,
For whence the bar that hath been taken,
Entering thy stomach of the Gregory will not be shaken,
And henceforth it shall be known that it,
The cereal bar, will come out as his sh*t." (Mark 16:3)

And there you have it, even the bible says that your cereal bars will be in my stomach tommorrow. But the bible is make believe garbage that isn't true, so actually they probably won't be in my stomach tommorrow, but o well, it's worth a try.


799 - best check yo' self foo'
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 20:49
Yes, but Xbrick, you forgot to mention the fact that the xb0x360 has the power of 3 on it's side. Yes, the ps3 has the power of 2 3s, being composed of three digits ( p,s,3) and the power of having 3 in its name, but the xbox360 has the power of 12,000,000,000,125 3s. First, it too has the number 3 in its name. Secondly, it has the digit 6 in its name, which is two 3s. Next, its number of numbers is 3 (3,6,0) and it contains a three letter word (box). Additionally, it contains the number 360, which contains 120 3s inside itself. And finally, the number 360 refers to a cirlce. Coincidently, the earth is also a circle, so therefore, it should include all the 3s on the planet earth. Ever. According to bukkakeongreg.com, the number 3 has been spoken, written, and refered to about 12 trillion times in the history of the universe. Therefore, the xbox has the power of 12 trillion 125 3s, and since 3 is the most powerful number, the core of the bible, and even life itself, the xbox360 pwns the ps3. AHAHAHAHA and you think the ps3 can win with only two 3s? TWO??? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH omfg you ignorant people make me laugh.

p.s.: OH wait, I refered to the number 3 47 times in this article. that adds on to the 12 trillion 3s previously refered to by mankind. NOW THE XBOX HAS THE POWER OF 12,000,000,000,172 3s. AHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHHAA


800 - Don't waste your time reading this.
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 20:56
oh wait i just refered to the number 3 5 more times refering to the number 3. now the xbox360 has the power of 12,000,000,000,177 3s. But wait I just refered to it 3 more times as i was refering to how I alread refered to it. AHAHAHAHHAah that's 12,000,000,000,180 3s taht the xbox360 has the power of. Oh wait i just refered to it 3 moretimes as I was refering to how I just refered to refering to it. That's 12,000,000,000,183 3s that the xbox360 has the power of. Oh wait I just refered to it 3 more times as I was refering to how I just refered to refering about how it refered to it. That's 12,000,000,000,185 3s that the xbox360 has the power of. Oh wait I just refered to 3 more 3s refering to how I just refered to refering about when I refered to when I refered about refering to refering to my refering of the xbox360. And refering to bukkakeongreg.com, you can now join in on the ritual for only $19.99 a squirt. But I just refered to 3 12 moretimes as I was refering to when I refered to the refering of the referation of refering and refering upon the refering upon the refering of when I refered to the refering of when I refered to when I refered to the refering of when I refered to it. So the xbox360 now has the power of 12,000,000,000,212 3s.

801 - NEWS FLASH FROM POST 770 REVEALED!!!!!!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 21:07
OMFG THE NEWS IS OUT!!!!!! bukkakeongreg.com will have a new participant, Aperver Gaycock. To find out why we interviewed Greg on the matter:
"Well, as I've said before, the business for bukkakeongreg.com is growing so rapidly, that it's hard to keep up with it. It's so popular, that sometimes I'm registered for 3 male orgies at once. I've decided to allow my friend, Aperver Gaycock to help me out to at times when I'm really innundated (with semen). Of course I am still the head manager of the site, don't worry, but I figured it would be nice to add a little exotic brown man flesh for men to loose themselves on. Since Aperver won't always be able to participate, he will also be our film crew. As a result, I have created a new site, bukkakeongregwhileaperverwatches.com, feel free to check it out for more in depth information on the new merger.

Additionally, I would like to announce a new event taking place here at bukkakeongreg.com. From now on, I will be hosting a weekly man train, every friday from 6 to 11 PM. Feel free to join in on some TOOT TOOTIN FUN!!!!!"


802 - I just realized something....
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 21:09
God damnit, I wasted 1/2 an hour posting sh*t on this stupid g@y forum that no one reads. I really have no life.

803 - PS3, Xbox360, and Nintendo Revolutions are g@y together
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 22:58
Consoles are g@y. Why would someone want to spend $400 on some large piece of crap when you could buy a tub of cream cheese for ID="MainNewsBlogCom".79 at Trader Joes instead?

804 - god damn sh!tty forums messing up my crap
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 23:00
Consoles are g@y. Why would someone want to spend $400 on some large piece of crap when you could buy a tub of cream cheese for 1.79 at Trader Joes instead?

805 - em eye es es eye es es eye es es eye pee pee eye
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 23:07
I mean come on the ps3 is good and all, but it just doesn’t taste good at all. Have you ever tried to eat your ps2? Yeah that’s right it tastes pretty sh!tty, and based on what I’ve seen so far the ps3 or xbox360 won’t taste much better. As I said before Cream Cheese totally, has consoles dominated. Yeah by the the way, all the games for consoles blow, just use your pc instead, I mean you're on it right now, you might as well play on it too.jew well at least it fixed my nose harvard american author book search client google safari
Can't stop
Lose job
Mind gone
Silicon
What bomb
Get away
Pay day
Make hay
Break down
Need fix
Big six
Clickity click
Hold on
Oh no
Brrrrrrrrrring bingo!


806 - 8=====> ( o )( o )
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.02.2005 23:08
BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

807 - site down?
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.02.2005 23:45
Hi um mister greg is it? I just ventured through the internet and found your latest website bukkakeongregwhileaperverwatches.com. HoweveR, the server seems to be down due to extreme overdosage of injected fluids! Please refresh your status! I am in dire need of a stranger and without thorough motivation the process will be difficult

808 - tsk tsk tsk
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.02.2005 23:56
" HE MAN,
HE CAN DO GREG LIKE NO ONE CAN!
HE MAN,
HE MOLESTED GREG BEFORE GREG'S PUBERTY BEGAN,
HE MAN,
HE USES GREG'S PENIS AS AN ORDINARY FAN,
HE MAN,
HE BEAT GREG'S ASS INSIDE A DIRTY BLACK VAN,

HE MAN (A.K.A: MICHAEL JACKSON)"



809 - Site back up
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 00:04
CHICKEN, I sincerely appoligize that my site was temporarily down. My site didn't have enough bandwidth to support the tremendous response that I have received globally. 10,000 visitors already, and It's only been open for a couple days!

But the site should be back up soon, feel free to check it out! I have posted the vids taken of my most recent bukkakes, masterfully captured by my good friend Aperver! You can download a 15 minute vid for only $4.99! That oughta keep you busy on those cold, rainy nights! ;-) (wink)!


810 -
Unregistered - 11.03.2005 00:17
"He who hath risen from the grave,
Shall thoroughly enjoy the semen the good lord hath gave,
In his mouth the holy penis shall remain,
Forever and ever, until the Lord, Himself, hath came."
-(Greg 3:12)

Purchase a copy of The Holy Bible Bukkake Edition at bukkakeongregwhilereadingabook.com today!


811 - purchase The Holy Bible Bukkake Edition today!!!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 01:13
"Thy beast, thy knave, thy treacherous foe,
Insert thy penis, like only thouest know,
I feel as though thou hast been possessed by the demon,
But 'tis okay, as long ast upon my face I receive thy semen,
Upon my ears, I hear the man-train crow,
Tyming, and rhyming, like Edgar Allen Poe,
What hast embarked upon this flight, but a raven,
Whose sole goal hast been to enter beds, and lay men,
Upon my ears, I hear thy call that hast come and past,
As presently, I lay in bed, stroking a young man's shaft."
-(Greg 4:12)


With this many memorable quotes, the The Holy Bible Bukkake Edition is just to good to pass up. It costs only $29.99, to own something that you will treasure for a life time. Also, enrollment to three classes of Bukkake Bible Studies comes complementary with purchase. DON'T MISS IT!


812 - fvkk that bible, QURAN bittches
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 02:41
" YAH ALLAH,
he who is without sin will cast the first drop,
and the holy greg shalt rubbeth it on thy face.
he who is without sin will make semen devel-op,
that the holy greg shalt devour with no disgrace.

he who is without sin will make the holy greg gag,
and the holy greg shall accept the corn on the cob.
for he who is without sin will in the holy greg's mouth tea-bag,
and the holy greg shall give ten men a profound blowjob

Ya ALLAH"

(allah 9:11)


813 - add that to your college essays
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 02:44
hey yall, if u guys want to submit my poemmmees in your college application feel free to do so.

814 -
Unregistered - 11.03.2005 02:49
What is this Blasphemy? The Quran? Preacheth thus the Bukkake Wood Bible:
"Shooteth down from the air the Quran,
That spawns the hate of terrorists in Iran,
Only then can the omega key lock be opened,
Or else the transformers will lay dead and broken"
-(Greg 2:1)

(The Bukkake Wood Bible, sequal to The Holy Bible Bukkake Edition is now in stores!)


815 - Bukkake Wood Bible
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 02:51
Sorry guys, I forgot to post my name on that last one:


What is this Blasphemy? The Quran? Preacheth thus the Bukkake Wood Bible:
"Shooteth down from the air the Quran,
That spawns the hate of terrorists in Iran,
Only then will the omega lock open,
Or else the transformers will lay dead and broken"
-(Greg 2:1)

(The Bukkake Wood Bible, sequal to The Holy Bible Bukkake Edition is now in stores!)


816 - I'm not A race-ist
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 02:54
i LOVE RACING! IM NOT AGAINT IT! HOWEVER, I AM A STRONG RACIST!

"GREGORGY IS GAYY, GO FIGURE,
DID YALL KNO JIMI HENDRIX IS A NIGGGER?

DOWN WITH TYRANNY, WE SHALL HAVE NO MORE,
WHAT'S ALL THAT SEMEN ON THE BAR THIEF'S FLOOR?

ISLAM IS THE SHIET, GREGORGY USES A BIDET,
TO WASH HIS PANTIES FROM VICTORIA'S SECRET.

HOLDING HANDS AT NIGHT WITH A LONESOME STRANGER,
GREGORGY JUST REALIZED IT WAS HIS NUMB HAND ON HIS RANGER"


817 - THE NEXT EPISODE
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 03:09
jimi hendix, most commonly known as the "BAR THIEF" is plotting to violate my privacy through the stealialization of my cereal bars. seriously? seRiously? you fucckk rats...stop smoking your turd and wake up to the SECOND COMING. Not the first one, cuz i let that out last week. The SECOND COMING comes from my reserves. FOllow the lion into the dark ages where bukkakeongreginthedarkages.com is never down. I know you crave penis butter and jelly manwiches in the form of cereal bars but i cheked walmart and they are all out of stock!

818 - My Play
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 03:17
I'm working on a play, about the mighty bar thief, and his pwnage of Chicken Chaser everyday at lunch, but this is all I have so far:


Act 1 Scene 1:
Police Chief: Where do you think he will strike next?
Witness: I don't know sir, this bar theif is mighty unpredictable
Witness #2: Yeah sir, of his 20 heists so far, all of them have been in Chicken Chaser's backpack, but - there's no telling where he could strike next. I can't discern any pattern.
Act 1 Scence 2:
Bar Theif: MUAHAHAHHAAHHA soon, Chicken's 21st bar will be mine and will have taken $21 worth __ of his sh!t.



Will the bar theif succeed? Read more of the script at: bukkakeongregthebartheifwhocan'tkeepmakingnewwebsitesforeverylittlethinghewritesbecausehesrunningoutofdomainnames.com


819 - My Play
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 03:17
I'm working on a play, about the mighty bar thief, and his pwnage of Chicken Chaser everyday at lunch, but this is all I have so far:


Act 1 Scene 1:
Police Chief: Where do you think he will strike next?
Witness: I don't know sir, this bar theif is mighty unpredictable
Witness #2: Yeah sir, of his 20 heists so far, all of them have been in Chicken Chaser's backpack, but - there's no telling where he could strike next. I can't discern any pattern.
Act 1 Scence 2:
Bar Theif: MUAHAHAHHAAHHA soon, Chicken's 21st bar will be mine and will have taken $21 worth __ of his sh!t.



Will the bar theif succeed? Read more of the script at: bukkakeongregthebartheifwhocan'tkeepmakingnewwebsitesforeverylittlethinghewritesbecausehesrunningoutofdomainnames.com


820 - of or pertaining to my anus
Unregistered - chicken chaser 11.03.2005 03:21
dude i need to go wash my ass because I can hella smell it and my boxers are all getting sh!tted up and it's nasty brb

821 - wat the frock
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 03:23
JimiHendrix STTS: dude i need to go wash my ass because I can hella smell it and my boxers are all getting sh!tted up and it's nasty brb


THATS THE BAR THIEF NOT ME! I WEAR TIGHTY WHITIES ANYWAY!


822 - ok this is retarded
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 03:29
______ ______
/ \ \/ / \
/ \ | / \
\ (.) / | \ (.) /
\______/ | \______/


823 - dddf
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 21:57
chicken chaser = aperver

STOP TRYING TO STEAL THE LIMELIGHT ON BUKKAKEONGREG.COM!


824 - MY 38th POST!!!!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 22:19
This post commemorates my 38th post!! let's celebrate!! Free party hats at bukkakeongregpartyhatsovernightdeliveryincludedwithnotfreeshippingandhandlingcostswhichadduptothesumof19dollarsand99centsinunitedstatesofamericadollarswhichis200japaneseyenonceconvertedtotheircurrency.com!!! Get them free (+19.99s&h)!!!!
Chicken Chaser however, has posted 43 posts so far. I HAVE MORE OF A LIFE THAN HIM WOOOOT!!!!!!!! EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT I WASTED 10 MINUTES COUNTING ALL OUR POSTS!!! WOOOT


825 - smoking may be bad for your health
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.03.2005 22:24
the above counts of posts are not counting repeats, cause i have about 7 repeats and chickenchaser has 3

826 - hmm
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.03.2005 22:44
bukkakeongregpartyhatsovernightdeliveryincludedwithnotfreeshippingandhandlingcostswhichadduptothesumof19dollarsand99centsinunitedstatesofamericadollarswhichis200japaneseyenonceconvertedtotheircurrency.com!!! is that with the exclamation marks or no?

827 - A moment in life of lil' gregorgy
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.04.2005 00:31
Gregorgy = g boy = b granny = gr

B: Hey mister! when do i get that surprise?
G: WHOOOOWaHT? YEAA OKKEEY!
B: Shut up you're not lil jon
G: Alright
B: So what about that surprise again?
G: I can't give it to you, you're only 7 years old
B: But i've matured prematurely
G: DEAR ALL MIGHTY GOD! A SENSELESS CHILD WHO HAS SURPASSED THE INITIATIONS OF PREORDAINED MANHOOD?
B: You can say that agian!
G: DEAR ALL MIGHTY GOD! A SENSELESS CHILD WHO HAS SURPASSED THE INITIATIONS OF PREORDAINED MANHOOD?
B: NO! What? Your retarded!
G: Ricky? wait no...nevermind
B: Okaay.... uh so what's the surprise?
G: Cometh into "le bathroom" for the fortune at hand (snickers)
B: ALRIGHT chap, care to hold my SHAFT as we stroll?
G: GOOD GOLLY! WHAT GREAT DEED HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE A PRESTIGE OF THIS ACCORD?
B: I meant the SHAFT...the movie! You know, with the darkness brother.
G: You had me in heaven for a second and then you brought me back to this trecherous earth!

B: Are we there yet?
G: As a matter of fact we are! ... Good, granny isn't home.
B: But what about your granny's cream filled cookies you promised?
G: I've got some of my own.
B: Oh...great!

B: Well, there's the bathroom. You sure we can eat in there.
G: I've got just the provisions.
B: Where will I sit?
G: You can sit on ...(mumbles) the molester.
B: Waaa...The hoister?
G: Sure why not?
B: Okay, so where is it?

Gregorgy sits upon the latrine seat and lies the boy on thy lap.

G: There you are...just a lil to the left...perfect!
B: Something is growing.
G: It's your imagination child...it's growing!
B: Okay, so where are the cookies?
G: I have to make them first.

Keys are mingling at the door. Someone walks in.

G: God no! What ever shall I do with this infant upon my lap?
B: Just give me a tap, or fill the gap.
G: Let's be serious.
GR: GREGORGY where are you? I bought the cereal bars you wanted!
G: Mmmm. Scrumptous...however my current dilemma rests in the disposition of whether to abondon this pleasurable moment or feast upon the cereal bars.
B: Hey college boy, shut up and give me the cream cookies already.
G: Hush little baby...Don't you cry.
B: Daddy's gonna buy me a jerkingbird?
G: In a minute! GOSH NO ONE EVER LETS ME FINISH!!!!! SAPERLIPOPETTE!
GR: GREGORGY (entering the latrine) !!!
G: GRANNY DON't!
GR: OH MY! You seem to have the largest penis I've ever seen...
B: Hi!
GR: And it speaks! Marvelous!
G: Ah...yes, my oversized, unpropottional talking penis! I'm surprised you noticed!
GR: Now now...don't take your lil ol' granny for no dummy! I know a penis when I see one!


Moral: Don't live with your grandparents


828 - HAH
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.04.2005 00:45
Who does'nt have a life now??? haha

829 - HAH
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.04.2005 00:45
Who doesn't have a life now??? haha

830 - bar thief
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.04.2005 01:59
STOP PLAYING STARCRAFT!!

831 - what's in the news today?
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.04.2005 21:28
Stephanie Dowery said "The main successful character who is a good wrestler will beat other characters. Hence, he will beat them because he will beat them because he will beat them"

KAK stated in response " (sigh) I give that a seven...... only because gregorgy is going to strip in front of the class"



832 - ha ha i used ur name
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.04.2005 22:17
OH HELLZ NAH GURL I NOT BEN HERING WUT I TINK IM HERIN hreze mah script:

a-apurva g-greg God-God

a-man i just notice that i'm a faggot
g-i agree
God-well good job stating the obvious you queer phage

moral: don't be a faggot


833 - 40 year old white male, seeking 8 to 13 year old male for fornication
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.05.2005 01:35
Yes hi, I'm a 40 year old, middle aged white male looking for some 8 to 13 year old boys to molest, and ummmm if any here are interested, I was wondering if they would contact me. My AIM screen name is
Imolestboys831, and I'm on everyday from 7:30 AM - 9:00 PM. Additionally, you can call me at (512) 247-8761 (any hour of the day is fine). So if any 8 to 13 year old males here are interested, feel free to give me a ring-ring, so in my mouth I can have your Ding-a-Ling. I prefer umcircumsized (I like 'em natural), but I'll go either way.

P.S.: Please call soon, I'm getting desperate!



P.P.S.: All hail Michael Jackson, THE KING!!!! (of child molestations) HE IS SOOOO MY IDOL, I wanna be just like him.


834 -
Unregistered - 11.05.2005 01:40
wow sorry id din't realise that you were callingme gregorgy, I thought it was gregory. Alright from now on:::::


chicken chaser, a*****a = aperver
Bar thief, Jimi Hendrix, Gregory = Gregorgy


835 - wtf
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.05.2005 21:01
hey bar "retarded" thief why don't u put write somepin funny fo once ya dum asss! SATs SUKKK ASSS biatcheees

836 - niggres
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.05.2005 23:27
yeah funny like your mom in bed last night sleeping until morning and then waking up and cooking you pancakes with a waffle iron that's for waffles not pancakes

837 - get on aim you aimless mutha
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.05.2005 23:39

Hello this is Arnold Schwarnegger, reminding you to vote on Tuesday. This important election is about restoring the broken system in Sacramento. Help me build a better California by giving me the tools to do the job you elected me to do. Vote YES on propositions 74, 75, 76, and 77, to fix Sacramento and reform California. These propositions will help improve our schools, protect workers’ paychecks, balance our budgets, increase more competitive election districts. Please vote on Tuesday November 8th, and vote YES on 74, 75, 76, and 77. Your vote can make a big difference. Thank you.

- i just got that as a recorded message on my answering machine haha


838 - Analysis of the meanings of our names
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.05.2005 23:53
This is a description of what people's names mean from some message board.
http://www.bizarremag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=84063&sid=b58eb5c403b8a5189b5261e9ee012521
Bizarre Message Board :: View topic - What does your name mean?

Apurva - Likes bloke's bottoms. (So True.)
Greg - really sweet and feels sorry for himself.
Jerome - g@y, but very unhappy. (LOL, how'd they know?)
John - has no friends or life - tends to kill small animals. (I dunno, that could be John.)
Ricky - ugly sh!thead who everybody hates. (ROFLCOPTER)
Steve - popular and funny & hung like a donkey.
Taylor - happy, laughing hyena.
(They didn't have Garret, because it's some queer ass name that no one has.)



hey aperver, I think you should change over from this ps3 blog to this blog:
queerindia.blogspot.com

It's a real blog too


839 - Another name analysis from same site
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.06.2005 00:01
Phillip - stupid idiot who wishes he were cool.

840 -
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.06.2005 00:02
Man they nailed that one on the head

841 - EXfaggottory language
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.06.2005 00:08
I'm glad the bar thief finally graduated from UC Stanfuked because his subject was extremely homo. He majored in exfaggottory languages except the class changed into faggottory languages sooon after.

So where are you gonna work gregorgy? i hear they are hiring downtown (way down there where the sun doesn't shine).


842 -
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.06.2005 00:12
whooo that was a hella funny ass post aperver!!!!!!




ON OPOSITE DAY!!! LOLZ


843 - gregorgy is dead
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.06.2005 00:25
GREGORGY OMGG WHY DON"T YOU RESPOND???????? ARE YA DEAD CUZ I THINK YOU ARE. WELL IM OFF EATING KHAJAKISTANI MONKEY BRAINS
....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... but not really


844 - i'm too lazy to think of a title
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.06.2005 01:08
this is a forum not a chat screen you fruit monger

shut this bull honkey up in the roar machines because dogs are animals unlike humans that are also animals


845 - -
Unregistered - - 11.06.2005 11:25
PLAYSTATION FOREVER

846 - i kno ma video games
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.06.2005 14:33
I kno ma video games! the greatest system in the whole wolrd is the gamecast! with TV support and advanced menu options like "power save mode" this system was truly a tree hugger's dream! too bad XXbin and Pornstation started freakin up tha spot. Wit they notorious DUAL SHOCKIN controllas they ben takin the whole floor in the video game industry. If it wasernt fo they sh!t gamecast would be rulin like crazy

847 - i kno ma video games
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.06.2005 14:33
I kno ma video games! the greatest system in the whole wolrd is the gamecast! with TV support and advanced menu options like "power save mode" this system was truly a tree hugger's dream! too bad Xbin and Pornstation started freakin up tha spot. Wit they notorious DUAL SHOCKIN controllas they ben takin the whole floor in the video game industry. If it wasernt fo they sh!t gamecast would be rulin like crazy

848 -
Unregistered - YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! 11.07.2005 13:09
ALLAH IS NOT GOD, DO NOT BE DECIEVED.
WE DO NOT GIVE HONOR TO THE DEFEATED ENEMY.
WHOS BED IS PREPARED FOR HIM IN THE LAKE OF FIRE
ALONG WITH ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS. TURN BACK NOW BEFORE IT'S TO LATE.

YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!


849 - hurmpfh?
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.07.2005 18:55
wtf was that? pretty lame... Allah? why u gotta bring up sh!t about Allah. He's a God u kno, like Heseuse Christ. People respect that sh!t y'herd? so stfu about that Allah talk u ignorant bastard. Seriously? I think you're being ignorant cuz ure mom didn't pick you up rught after school. As for that cell phone, you can stick that sh!t up your ass cuz i really don't think your mom is gonna pick you up any faster even if you call. So stop talkin shizala about Allah cuz u bein a bizalla.

850 - o god
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.07.2005 19:01
ah fakkk, the dam post thing is funked up! the things goes so dam right that
u gotta scroll now wtf???? the text aint appearin right god dam stupid ps3 forums. they need to update they shiz


851 - F@ggots in Paris are burning crap cause they are dumb and are jealous that France pwns their country even though France is a crappy ass country
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.07.2005 20:48
I didn't put that post about ALLAH you chicken sh!t. I always put the name Jimi Hendrix with my posts.
It can be defined as R. Kelly once said:

Urinate on Hate
And then urinate on 15 year old girls
Oops, did i just say that out loud?
Oh well you have to empty your bladder somewhere
TRANSFORMERS ROBOTS IN DISGUISE


852 - PROTECT YOUR NUTS!!!!!!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.07.2005 20:57
come on aperver, didn't you look at the time at which that post was posted? It says 13:09 which is 1:09 P.M. I was at school then dipsh!t. And additionally, if you'd stop hitting teh cack, you'd notice that that clock is 3 hours fast, making it 10:09 A.M. Pacific time when it was posted. I was at school then to you ween machine. Now Geroff deze nuttz. I guess that A.P. Calculus BC is only making you dumber. I mean after all it says BC which stands for Before Christ, because you're a prehistoric bastard. My Class is A.P. Calculus AB which stands for After Buttrape which happened to me at the tender age of 9. Now go fly like an eagle into the future.

853 - Oh hellz nah biatch, it's biblical allusion tyme homez
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.07.2005 21:05
N!gga! now u listin herre. Itz bout tyme yo azz got skewled en da lore of The Bukkake Wood Bible

He who preacheth about death
Will find himself soon out of breath
Because Apurva got pwned at chess
When he listened to the crappy music of Wycleff
(Greg 1:6)

N!gga! Jew just got VERSED! I jus' tuk joh azz down Biblically wise! N!gga wunt sume french fries?


854 - Gayy another day
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.08.2005 19:23
BAr thief will be g@y, AAnother day.
Bar thief will be g@y, AAnother day.

It's madonna u cheesy bread.

bust a moveee mann! eeeuuueeeeuueeueueuuuueee

too bad cat's life span consists of 9 lives to complete
a cycle.

We aren't as fortunate.

Three guys made a competition to see who would make Gregordy scream louder in bed.

The first one went in, meanwhile the other two stayed out and listened for Gregordy to moan for a bit.

The second one went in and Gregorgy screamed a little bit harder.

When the third one went in, Gregorgy SCREAMED! and SCREAMED! About an hour later Gregorgy came out moaning.

The first guy asked "Wow, how did you do that?" The guy, all tired and wet replied "I simply used my head".



855 - Nabisco
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.08.2005 21:35
triscuit original baked whole grain wheat crackers

856 - more like Gregogy Crakers
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.08.2005 23:50
"original baked whole grain wheat cracker"

- is this your discription?


857 - o LORDDDDDDDD!
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.08.2005 23:56
NIgggazz is being villuns (villan), while Gregorgy is doin chil'uns (children)

The parenthesis was fo you, u dam cracker


858 - -
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.08.2005 23:58
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-----racker!!!!! (THe rest of the letters was gonna be a pain in the asss)


859 - PS3 IS JUNK!!!!!
Unregistered - PS3 IS JUNK!!!! 11.09.2005 00:58
PS3 IS JUNK!!!!

860 - who?
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.09.2005 01:22
WHY HAVE BUKAKKE BIBLE ORDERS STOPPED CUMING????? hesus chrisht!!!
I mean i understand that the American public is only interested in the
second TESTI-ment but the first one is just as good, if not jucier(with
knowledge)

Sperm = perms (when rearranged) just like Gregorgy's pressed permed pubes

OMG ALLITERATIONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!! You can do your lit device on this one bar thief!


861 - LOL BURN IN HELL WITH KRAZY KEN..PS3 LOSERS!!!!!!!
Unregistered - PS3 IS A COMPLETE JOKE...JUST LOOK AT YOU. 11.09.2005 02:36
SON, YOU GOT ISSUES, BURN IN HELL WITH YOUR BLASPHEMOUS INSULTS AND THOUGHTS.

862 - 3
Unregistered - 3 11.09.2005 07:17

PLAYSTATION 1,2,3 ALL WINNERS XBOX LOSERS


863 - The results are in!!! Xbox360 is the devil and PS3 is 1 and 1/3 times better than God!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.09.2005 18:08
In preparation for hte release of the new consoles, I have done some biblical analysis to determine their purity. My results were startilying.

The Xbox360 is made up of 7 digits: x,b,o,x,3,6,0, and when its numbers are added: 3+6+0, the result is 9. 7 plus 9 equals 16, and then once two is added, because there are two xboxes (the original and 360), the result is 18. Once factored by the trinity; father, son, and holy ghost, the result is a 6 for each part of the Trinity. 3 sixes, 666 THE DEVIL!!!! THE XBOX360 IS THE DEVIL!!!!!

After this horrifying discover, I reluctantly embarked upon researching the PS3, not sure what results awaited me there. But the results were different from what I expected. When one adds all the digits of Play Station 3: p,l,a,y,s,t,a,t,i,o.n,3, one determines that they equal 12. The 12 Deciples!!!! But then once divided by the Trinity, the resulting numeral is 4. 4 is 1.33333333333333333333333333etc. times larger than the Trinity. Therefore, PS3 is 1 and 1/3 times better THAN GOD!!! But then I realized that God doesn't exist, so therefore the PS3 is a piece of crap. So don't buy it. And don't buy the Xbox360 either, because it's the devil they both suck.

You've been warned!!!! THE FACTS R LAYED OUT YALL


864 - The results are in!!! Xbox360 is the devil and PS3 is 1 and 1/3 times better than God!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.09.2005 18:08
In preparation for hte release of the new consoles, I have done some biblical analysis to determine their purity. My results were startilying.

The Xbox360 is made up of 7 digits: x,b,o,x,3,6,0, and when its numbers are added: 3+6+0, the result is 9. 7 plus 9 equals 16, and then once two is added, because there are two xboxes (the original and 360), the result is 18. Once factored by the trinity; father, son, and holy ghost, the result is a 6 for each part of the Trinity. 3 sixes, 666 THE DEVIL!!!! THE XBOX360 IS THE DEVIL!!!!!

After this horrifying discovery, I reluctantly embarked upon researching the PS3, not sure what results awaited me there. But the results were different from what I expected. When one adds all the digits of Play Station 3: p,l,a,y,s,t,a,t,i,o.n,3, one determines that they equal 12. The 12 Deciples!!!! But then once divided by the Trinity, the resulting numeral is 4. 4 is 1.33333333333333333333333333etc. times larger than the Trinity. Therefore, PS3 is 1 and 1/3 times better THAN GOD!!! But then I realized that God doesn't exist, so therefore the PS3 is a piece of crap. So don't buy it. And don't buy the Xbox360 either, because it's the devil they both suck.

You've been warned!!!! THE FACTS R LAYED OUT YALL


865 - retard
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.09.2005 20:55
why do you post everything twice? Do you have double entendre defeciency? or are you simply retarded? we get what you are trying to say from the very first post you posted ya dam cracker. You're like that guy jon CRACK-hauer who wrote that dumasss book about retards in alaska killing themselves from excess secondary spermatogenesis. Nevermind, you're more like that supertramp who actually died in alaska from excess secondary spermatogenesis.

866 - Fat men are eating a whole............................into my heart (see bottom of post)
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:42
It's nice to hear that info from a retard who posts sh!t twice too. You've hella posted crap multiple times before. Are you retarded? Stop talking to yourself. No I'm not retarded and I'm not talking to myself. Then why are you talking right now? There's no one else in the room but yourself. STFU self, and stop talking, you're making it look like I'm talking to myself. Stop talking to myself. But you're the one talking to yourself, I'm not talking at all, except for the words I'm saying right now. Then why are you talking to yourself, which is also me, because I'm talking to myself? Yeah, that's exactly it. Stop talking to yourself. The famous scribe Greg once said: "Aperver is g@y." That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but oh well, one can't argue with the facts. Fuking Ms. Krummcake and her liberal arts program. Gosh Dangit all to China Town. "Dem onion dues can opt out my sh!te ne tyme dey want. I don't wanna be —." -(Mrz. Kinetically Aligned Krummcake)

— = straight cuz it's a strait line copterkites!

_-_
l l <-------(supposed to be a heart but I can't draw for crap)
-_-


867 - I rarely post crap twice
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:46
By the way I hardly ever post sh!t twice you dumb N!gger

868 - I hardly ever post crap twice
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:47
By the way I hardly ever post sh!t twice you dumb N!gger

869 - I hardly ever post crap twice
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:47
By the way I hardly ever post sh!t twice you dumb N!gger

870 - I hardly ever post crap twice
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:47
By the way I hardly ever post sh!t twice you dumb N!gger

871 - HA HA BBQ ID="MainNewsBlogCom".99 at SAFEWAY
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:48
see, I posted the first one once, and the second one thrice, once more than twice

872 - HA HA BBQ ID="MainNewsBlogCom".99 at SAFEWAY
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:48
see, I posted the first one once, and the second one thrice, once more than twice

873 -
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:50
I never ever post crap twice you retard

874 -
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 01:50
I never ever post crap twice you retard

875 - girlfriends
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.10.2005 20:11
Sometimes a man must grow up to be a man and other than that grey people are really dumb and also because they are growing to be farting large people they do not care about the intellectual and frags about the caring hospitals of the national federation niggger league because they have no sense what so ever since i really dont care about any of that because I'm seriously writing anything that comes to my mind, anything except for this line because i'm thinking about what i'm writing and writing that because i'm having to articulate what i'm writing about because or else it wont make much sense to grow old and freak out with cats on walls.

876 - BUKKAKE IN YOUR EARS soundtrack in stores 11/15/2005!!!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.10.2005 22:04
Be sure to pick up the -=Bukkake In Your Ears=- soundtrack, cumming out (get it?) tuesday, November 15, 2005, at bukkakeongreg'snewalbum.com, or at a store near you. It includes many title tracks, including the world renounded singles: Bang Bang I Love Men, Look at the Seamen Run, Bukkake on the Deceptecons, Bukkake on Optimus Prime too, I'm Going Off the Rails on a Man Train,
and most importantly, the monster smash hit: THE BUKKAKE BANGLED BANNER!!!!! (lyrics enclosed below)

Sing this to the tune of The Star Spangled Banner in your head:

Ooohhh say can you seeee?
through your semen caked siiiight...
How so proudly you failed,
to receive the man train’s first weening...

Whose broad weens gave you S.A.R.S.,
To live, your body must fiiiight,
Through a camera, Aperver Gaylock,
Filmed testis that needed preeeeening....

And now the long penises flare,
The semen flys through the air,
It clooouds up your sight...
by landing on your face and in your hair...

O say does thaaaat Bukkake Bangled Baaaaannneeeeeer yet wAAAAAAaaaaave...
O’er the land of the man treeeeeEEEEEEE,
Let us hooope I doooon’t get A.I.D.S.




all the rhyme scheme matches the Star Spangled Banner perfectly:

Oh, say can you see,
by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed,
at the twilight's last gleaming?

Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
were so gallantly streaming?

And the rockets' red glare,
the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night...
that our flag was still there.

O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave...
O'er the land of the free...
and the home of the brave?


877 - Ode to the bar thief
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.12.2005 01:53
oops i secreted again,
When u slept with ten men,
spanked michael jaskson,
O baby babyy

oopps you enlightened your heart,
you swallowed my fart,
spread your assscheeks apart,
o baby babyy

Oops you admitted u're gayy,
when u felt 'clock' be lay,
and on your face let him spray,
o baby babby

oopps john pissed in your asss,
you let out methaaane gas,
showed your insides some style with heaaveeeey BRASSS,
o baby babby

- Clitney spores

Times are hard, but not as hard as gregorgy gets with he
sees gayyy men dealing with thyme (herb for homos)

A great man once said: "he who is without love for children
is not gregorgy because gregorgy loves children more dearly
than he does his left hand"

Another great man once said: "he who is without love for children
is not gregorgy because gregorgy loves children more dearly
than he does his left hand"

Another great man once said: "he who is without love for children
is not gregorgy because gregorgy loves children more dearly
than he does his left hand"

Another great man once said: "he who is without love for children
is not gregorgy because gregorgy loves children more dearly
than he does his left hand"

Another great man once said: "That's enough, it's time for gregorgy to stop reading this post and move on to loving children"


878 - AH ck AH ck AH ck
Unregistered - Chiken Chaser 11.12.2005 02:15
AH ck AH ck AH ck AH ck (say it out loud- it sounds funny but u gotta
make your crazy lizard face with you do AH ck). anyway, ha


A new show reality show is coming soon on UPN

It's a survivor esque show introducing the new host "gregorgy"

Gregorgy interviewing a potential candidate for the first season:

G: gregorgy W:woman

G: uh, tell me mam', what or who would you take to the island if you
were going to be stranded there with me?

W: well i would definitely take my 3 year old son because he cannot
live without me and neither can i live without me.

G: So you would take your youngster. let me remark "EXCCELENT" that is
astoundingly superb! Why that's just what we'll do.

Well there you have it! A sneak peak of "THE FANTASTIC 2 and 1/2"
(referring to gregorgy's penis volume)

you can view the entire interview on
buKAKeongregwhileheinterviewsthewomanwhowillbringherthreeyearoldsontothenewshowforgregtoenjoythecompanyof.EDU
because the new website is educational.




879 - Okonkwo
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.13.2005 23:44
"Let us not reason like cowards," said Okonkwo. "If a man comes into my hut
and defecates on the floor, what do I do? Do I shut my eyes? No! I take a
stick ad break his head..."(Achebe, 158).


- THAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA quoth the Bar Thief's friend's friend's friend.


880 - ROAR BOARS
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.14.2005 01:26
AHAHAHAHA TRANSFORMEN P.2 IS OUT AND NOTHING CAN SAVE THE WORLD FROM IT'S AWESOMENESS DOWN LOAD IT ON LIMEWIRE ONCE STEBEN POSTS IT

881 - Chinua is a biggot and a racist
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.14.2005 18:24
I know the beat is a little off for the intro to Tranzformen p.2 but o well I was too lazy to fix it

I think that Chinua Achebe is a racist biggot who needs to be censored. Any close analyzation of his novel, Things Fall Apart, clearly supports my point of view. For example:

"Bring me a hoe said Okagbue." (p.83) Bring him a hoe? I have never of an author that so openly supports the vices of prostitution. Is this fit for children to read in their english classes? I hope not.

"I am Evil Forest, I am Dry-meat-that-fills-the-mouth, I am Fire-that-burns-without-faggots." (p. 93)
Fire that burns without faggots? The mere thought of that topic makes me want to vomit. It is apparent from this quote, that Achebe whole heartedly supports the burning of faggots in fire. In fact, he supports burning faggots in fires so much, that he feels that fire can't burn without faggots in it. This is the Salem Witch Trials all over again. Burning of witches at the stake, and now faggots. What next, the burning of Aperver?


882 - closer analysis
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.14.2005 21:32
"DRY MEAT THAT FILLS THE MOUTH????" i wonder what that could be????? HOW
VERY VERY INAPPROPRIATE unless talking about societal roles imposed on
females. then it is quite relevent, hopefully. ok bye

chinua is a racist!



883 - transformers part deux
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.14.2005 21:34
LOL bar thief, the computer thought it was this dumasss song by Pozzyy osbourne
this time for some god dam reason. anyway< HOLYYY SHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
that was the greatest song EVER OMGGGGG I LOVE THE LAST MINUTE OMGGGGGGGG
thanks dude! "TRANSFORMERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS....stephen better put this
on the internet u bastard"


884 - OMG GENIUS
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.14.2005 21:56
OMG FATASS FROM JURASSIC PARK!!! dude bar thief, u are freaking goooddd. i just realized what that scream was !!

885 -
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.14.2005 22:09
bukkakeongregwhilehemakestransformerspart2andexportsittoitunes.com
LOL


886 - Tranzformen p.2 lyrics
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.14.2005 22:25
v1: And then Optimus Prime started rappin...
Roll out Autobots zappin
Dem Deceptecons we be cappin
The omega lock is what we seek
For our energon store
Only this and nothing more
Aperver is a whore

AHAHAHAHHAH AHAHHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

v2: Deceptecons gonna kill yo momma
Dey gonna punch her in da faaaace
Deceptecons coming to kill yo momma
You can't escaaaaaape
You're gonna get raaaaaaaaaaped

v3: Once upon a midnight dreary
The autobots made the deceptecons dreary
Over many a mile they fought
With volumes of energon to be sought
When they clashed
Metal slashed
From the midst of them came a FLASH!!!!!
And Optimus Prime started rapping

Chours:
Robots in disguiiiiiiiise
TRANSFORMEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRS
Robots in disguiiiiiise
TRANSFORMEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRSSS
Robots in disgueyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyes


887 - EDDIE GUERRERO RIP
Unregistered - EDDIE GUERRERO RIP 11.16.2005 16:34

EDDIE GUERRERO RIP


888 - suck my dicck eddie
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.16.2005 20:05
chupa mes jeuwavos pintheho! stop ruining this blog with your stupid asss posts! wtf do you think this is? a place where u can just type random crap like your name and RIP? WTF? grow up idoit! FUCCCCCCCCKKKKCK get the dam funk shiiit out of here! this forum is only for ps3 haters so we don't need any of your crap! biatch

889 - Check out this Site!
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.17.2005 00:49
Guys, check out the best transformers site ever and its forums here

http://www.freewebs.com/transformerscybertron/index.htm

http://www.transformersaa.proboards79.com/index.cgi


890 - ha ha noob
Unregistered - Jimi Hendrix 11.18.2005 23:07
Apurva Alok, who attends Santa Clara High School, loves c0ck.

his AIM account is fastlane987

next post: his personal phone number


891 - Wrestlers are FAGS.....
Unregistered - kunthunt 11.20.2005 19:22
EDDIE GUERERRO IS IN HELL RIGHT NOW!!!!

Rot In Pieces.


892 - haha
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.20.2005 20:38
it must suck to be apurva alok, who ever he is cuz ppl know about his sh!t
jimi hendrix, you are not a very nice person to be giving out so much information
but who cares, i'm sure that guy doesnt cuz this blog is a worthless piece of crap


893 - shut up
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.20.2005 20:42
shut up about eddie you dum fuk, i hope he's alive and kills u

894 - containerhead
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.20.2005 20:45
"FIELD FUCCCK"

haha awsome movie, should chek it out. it would save u $890 if were planning
to buy the ps3


895 - containerhead
Unregistered - chiken chaser 11.20.2005 20:45
"FIELD FUCCCK"

haha awsome movie, should chek it out. it would save u $890 if you were planning
to buy the ps3


896 - DIE DIE DIE APPLE PIE
Unregistered - Paul A. Namath 11.21.2005 22:11
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Ok now I'm Done.


897 - DIE DIE DIE APPLE PIE
Unregistered - Paul A. Namath 11.21.2005 22:11
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Ok now I'm Done.


898 - DIE DIE DIE APPLE PIE
Unregistered - Paul A. Namath 11.21.2005 22:11
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Ok now I'm Done.


899 - DIE DIE DIE APPLE PIE
Unregistered - Paul A. Namath 11.21.2005 22:11
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Ok now I'm Done.


900 - DIE DIE DIE APPLE PIE
Unregistered - Paul A. Namath 11.21.2005 22:11
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Ok now I'm Done.


901 - DIE DIE DIE APPLE PIE
Unregistered - Paul A. Namath 11.21.2005 22:11
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