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23 Sep 2005 10:51 | DragonFly | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
In an interview with the Norwegian news site Dagbladet.no, Kojima reveals many new details about Snake, MGS 4 and his game design philosophy. Here is a summary from the interview which we have proudly ripped from CVG. Technology has evolved where emoting can now be done through relying less on words and more on facial animations and subtle gesturing. On next gen, you can look at a character and know what they are feeling, as opposed to relying on hearing their voice.
Snake will not die in this game, nor is this the end of Metal Gear.
Kojima will not be as involved as previous, but he will produce the next games.
As long as the masses want Metal Gear, he will continue to make Metal Gear games.
He will not Make Metal Gear 5 himself, as it will impact the development of Kojima's next project - a project he's been thinking about for the last 2-3 years, which is totally new and 'special'.
Snake's age will be used to illustrate that he's been fighting and fighting and fighting. This will be used to give his character more colour. This mirrors Kojima's own life where he feels with each game he's ageing, and the game series itself is growing old much like Snake.
The FPS part of the trailer was meant as a joke. He wanted to use that section to show where he feels FPS games are going and simulate it. Graphically it may look like an FPS, but it's still a hide and seek game.
Everything you saw on the trailer was built on an early PS3 devkit. The developers at Kojmia Productions hate using computers to show off their games.
Everything you saw on the trailer will be possible for in-game footage...
...when the game is released next year - 2006!
Because of available higher resolution, the game looked too sharp and clean and had to be dirtied up with movie effects. Effects the team uses in cutscenes are now possible in real-time, such as light beaming through the curves in people's ears and other subtle details.
PS3's available level of detail allows customisation to go to extreme levels. The game will have over 100 weapon combinations possible to the player.
Kojima mainly makes the games for himself, or for someone he knows.
Kojima likes American and French comic books. If you missed the impressive TGS trailer you can download it here  Add Comment  1 -
MGS = POORUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 11:15 whuptie fuckin doo, this game smacks of arse. 2 -
arsefaceUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 11:18 Hi arseface. Hello Arseface! Snake is an arseface! 3 -
Fuck both of you assholes!!Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 11:37 You Guys are completely out of line.The game isn't out yet and your passing such complete moronic and imbassilic statements! It's people like you who give gamers a bad name! So Fuck YOU! You don't appreciate a game , no matter from whom, by whom and on what platform.I am personally a PS person but even I'll admit that there are some amazing games like Halo and like Soul Calibur out there. You don't deserve any game console , ASSHOLES!!! 4 -
ShamefulUnregistered - Scythe 09.23.2005 11:37 X-box fans love nothing more then getting all pissed off when something they think is impossible is proven to be very possible. Look at that not a single PS3 fan posted aything to that first it was x-box fans pissed off because they don't get this game on their system and that just makes them mad. You guys need to learn how to grow up and quite acting like kids fighting on the playground. And to Daddy when you post that same old post you do everytime about "PS3 Suxs and X-box rox" I curse you to be bald and have your tiny pencil Dick be cut off or become infested with tiny bugs that will eat it off. The next time you post that Stupid post of yours. Quit crying because something good is going on for PS and not x-box, if MS would have waited a little longer they could be adding better things to their system but they arn't, so you have to get what they are handing you. 5 -
Fuck both of you assholes!!Unregistered - G 09.23.2005 11:37 You Guys are completely out of line.The game isn't out yet and your passing such complete moronic and imbassilic statements! It's people like you who give gamers a bad name! So Fuck YOU! You don't appreciate a game , no matter from whom, by whom and on what platform.I am personally a PS person but even I'll admit that there are some amazing games like Halo and like Soul Calibur out there. You don't deserve any game console , ASSHOLES!!! 6 -
Unregistered - Game defender 09.23.2005 11:40 Thank you so much #4 .Your a true gamer.I respect you. 7 -
???Unregistered - me 09.23.2005 11:57 what the fuck are you chumps on about, MGS good? when did that happen, splinter cell pisses on it from a great height, and over at M$ we are getting top quality games that you POS3 fanbois could not even dream of, that said i might pick up a POS3 incase my george foreman breaks down in the middle of a hardcore LIVE 360 fest. 8 -
Splinter Cell Better? my assUnregistered - Scythe 09.23.2005 12:04 I played all of them and it wasn't even a challenge I beat them the very next day I bought them. Metal Gear has always given you a challenge unlike most M$ titles, like Halo. Beat it in a few hours, not even worth my time or money, good thing I just rented it. MGS I spent a long time playing it because it requires you to think about what your doing rather then just hidding in the dark and sneaking around, I mean after you killed someone that might aswell had just been asleep for the 200th time it's old and boring. No don't get me wrong I like Splinter Cell but it's just to easy to beat and other then the multiplayer it was an ok game. 9 -
Why?Unregistered - Dissapointed 09.23.2005 12:06 Why? if your such an xbox fan do you hang arroud here? Please you make this very unpleasant. So: there's a link on the left of the site for an xbox site. Go there and let those who want to to have real and honourable discussions continue like adults. Without the interruption of little children. Thank you 10 -
hmmmUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 12:07 ^^ go into the options menu and there are settings for difficulty splinter cell HARD and HALO legendery. my arse did you beat it the next day you fool. 11 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 12:15 Yeah I do start most games on hard if not the one right below but why don't i go to my old N64 and turn on my Goldeneye game and put my setting down to my weakest and the guards to the strongest maybe then I would at least be entertained. SPLINTER CELL TO EASY, HALO TO DAMN SHORT! Go back to your X-box forum and shut up because you know I'm right. All my friends that played Halo 2 we're disappointed with the story mode being so short. The Online is nice but still I want a game that has me stuck to it for a few days or weeks. I don't want to get a game beat it the next day. 12 -
huh?Unregistered - frantic wanker 09.23.2005 12:22 the reason i bought an XBOX was because PS2 games are too easy, the only thing that makes them a bit tricky is the dualshock pad it too fuckin small, you need tiny hands to use it properly, oh well horses for courses eh! 13 -
Why don't you cunts change your tune?Unregistered - Trevor 09.23.2005 13:18 Tedious. Very, very tedious. If Xbox live is so great, then why the fuck ain't you on it now? Try not to lower yourself to their gutter sniping - they're getting worried and it shows. Ignore the plebs. Anyhow, back to the artical. The demo was made on a early devkit, not the latest - that's the most interesting aspect of the artical. Just think what can be acheived on the full system. Very mouth watering. And for a closing statement : XBOXFANNYS PLEASE JUST CUNT OFF ! 14 -
just thinkUnregistered - Scythe 09.23.2005 13:38 If it's on a early dev kit imagine how much better it will look on the real thing. Whats funny is how people say it doesn't look anymore impressive then the current games for the 360, but the 360 are on the full version not the dev kits. So that means what the 360 is just on par with a early PS3 dev kit? 15 -
to #14Unregistered - Trevor 09.23.2005 13:49 I wish I could fast forward time to about 2 years time to see what both system could acheive, then see them running side by side. Only then, we will see the potential of both the next gen systems.... 16 -
Now, children...Unregistered - Maleficus the Great 09.23.2005 13:55 Isn't this supposed to be about the new developments with MGS4 rather than spouting your retarded mouths off about stuff you don't have the brain power to comment on? You xbox fanboys need to shut up and comment on your own websites about your own retarded crap. Now then, getting to the point, I think it was a bad idea to tell the public that Snake doesn't die. I was speculating that there was a good chance that he would die because he looks so old and decrepit. It is excellent to learn that MGS4 is coming out in 2006. Maybe it will be a launch title! 17 -
No KiddingUnregistered - Scythe 09.23.2005 13:56 To bad PS and MS don't make it to where you can hook into each other and play the same games, I mean I know what would be the point your thinking. Well think about how many X-box fans and PS fans there are, well we know that they both are going to have some of the same games but not everyone has the same console. So why let them hook together and play against each other, sorta how computers do on the internet. I know it's because of software and hardware differances but it still would be nice to link my PS3 to my friends 360 and play against him. But I know it won't happen to bad.... What was Dark sector running on when they did the demo for it, it looked really nice. Was it just a PS3 Title or multi console game? 18 -
PiS3 sux, 360 roxUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 15:02 PiS3 sux, 360 rox 19 -
PS3 IS TRUE NEXT GENUnregistered - Anonymous 09.23.2005 15:32 XBOX fan boys are all over the internet not talking about the 360 but the PS3 how sad jealous are we. PS3 is showing true next gen gaming xbox isnt fan boys are just screaming halo halo buying a console for one game thats sad. nintendo are more threat then xbox so XBOX fan boys FUCK OFF 20 -
PiS3 sux, 360 rox Unregistered - Your Daddy 09.23.2005 15:35 PiS3 sux, 360 rox 21 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 15:45 #13 lol funny and damn true why dont u xbox fans just go away aint u got anything better to do. You 360 fans are really pathetic really really pathetic get a life man seriously 22 -
mgs4Unregistered - ninja0327 09.23.2005 15:47 interesting facts .but just because the graphics gonna be almighty on the ps3 i don't think that the game is gonna be really good i'm not saying its going to be bad. graphics do'nt make good games they only bring the game to life.this next-gen period is gonna be about games and ms is going to show that,they don't what to have a system without anything this time around. just because someone like to read french and american books won't convice me.you're free to say anything. thank you for you time 23 -
Ignore StupidityUnregistered - Scythe 09.23.2005 15:47 Just Ignore these guys and they will go away, Remember "Never argue with a moron, because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Just act like he didn't even post.. 24 -
PiS3 sux, 360 roxUnregistered - Your Daddy 09.23.2005 16:00 PiS3 sux, 360 rox 25 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 16:16 lol @ #23 very true lets just ignore these fools there just like stupid kids if u leave them alone theyll go away !! 26 -
Jalo on PS3Unregistered - Edward R. Murrow 09.23.2005 16:20 It was just announced on Sony's website that one of the PS3 launch titles will be Jalo, which apparently is the first combination FPS/Karaoeke game. Looks pretty amazing. 27 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 16:26 Jalo ?? give us a link to that i wanna see wat ur on about (if your telling the truth) dont mind my paranoia :p 28 -
halo sucks ass!!Unregistered - MEGAXGOHAN@AOL.COM 09.23.2005 16:28 I KNOW THAT HALO SUCK SO MUCH ASS. THAT WHY ALOT OF XBOX FANS HATEN ON MGS4. IM A FAN OF BOTH BUT PREFER PLAYSTATION. 29 -
PiS3 sux, 360 roxUnregistered - Your Daddy 09.23.2005 16:34 PiS3 sux, 360 rox 30 -
To # 7 and # 29Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 17:09 MGS games have always been better than Splinter cell, why do you think the game couldnt come up with something more original, instead of copying MGS?, If your getting top quality games for your X360 why dont you go talk about them on a xbox site, instead of spouting shit about PS3 games, your just a jealous ass hole. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To # 29 Xbox sux PS3 rocks! thats how it should read, this dumb ass is confused, must be the green circle emblem for X360 hipnotizing him. 31 -
Dumb Xbot zombiesUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 17:24 Why bother paying all that money out for the X360, when all you have to do is spin your old xbox 360 degrees? cos the graphics dont look much different to the original Xbox. Even the press at last E3 played X360 with a normal Xbox playing behind them and they said the graphics looked almost identicle, great stuff! you go blow your money on something that doesnt have a single pice of next gen equipment in it, its your loss. 32 -
GRILLSTATION 2.5Unregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 17:36 how many functions has sony dropped since revealing the specs? note how many of you say 360 is poo but GOW is comparable to MGS4 while running on 1 core and unfinished, also you love to bash Halo why, cos you didnt get it for PS2, why because it could not handle the gfx, fact. also if Halo was sooooo bad why do you hail Killzone 2 as the killer app for PS3 which is just the same game with updated gfx. and finally MGS it was once a good game the first time but come on even you fanboys have to admit it's just a rehash, crazy far-fetched storyline, awfull camera angles, on-rails gameplay and enemys that dissapear into thin air when dead, wow so realistic, oh well you still have GT Vision pfffffff, PGR3 anyone. 33 -
^^^^Unregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 17:38 one more word, >>>OWNDIZZLED<<< peace nigga's 34 -
JALO WILL BE AWESOMEUnregistered - Edward R. Murrow 09.23.2005 17:50 As I mentioned in #26 above, JALO will be an awesome PS3 launch game combining FPS and Karaoeke into one incredible game. As for the anonymous post that asked for a link, read all about it as the following: http://www.playstation-club.com/ 35 -
#34Unregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 17:52 lol :] i think you got misdirected here's the link http://www.nitrolic.com/ps3controller1.php 36 -
23 - Ignore StupidityUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 17:54 23 - Ignore Stupidity Unregistered - Scythe 09.23.2005 03:47 Just Ignore these guys and they will go away, Remember "Never argue with a moron, because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Just act like he didn't even post.. Remember Guys 37 -
#36Unregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 17:57 why got nothing to come back with, just realised PS3 is doomed to failure hahahaahah, lamo's :] 38 -
One thing...Unregistered - Truth 09.23.2005 18:12 I'd just like to point of that if you really believe Gears of War and all the other games shown for the XBOX 360 are running on only one core you are truly an idiot. Keep in mind if that were true then the developers have only one month to conpletely finish the game leading me to believe that either the XBOX 360 will have all rushed games or no quality games at it's launch. 39 -
talking to X-box FansUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 18:17 This is just like someone talking to a wall that has a sign on the door that says X-box is best. No matter how much you prove to it and tell it and show it, that damn wall is still going to have that sign and it's still going to say the same damn thing. 40 -
To # 37Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 18:21 The only thing doomed is your money, soon as you hand it over for your 360 spinning Xbrick, you'd feel better if you bought your gran some slippers or something and spend the rest on a blow-up sex toy for fun and games, but instead of all that, just get the PS3, then your life will be complete, even your gran would love it. 41 -
God...Unregistered - Truth 09.23.2005 18:26 Really people, stop fucking saying one console will be better than the other. It makes you look like a complete and utter moron. Deny you're a fanboy all you want, saying one console is better than the other when NONE of them have even been released yet it just... wow. 42 -
read and weep sony fanboi'sUnregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 18:26 "According to Epic's Cliff Bleszinski, the game as it is running right now is only using one of the Xbox 360's three cores, and has been up and running on the final development kits for only about two weeks. The game had been running on Beta development kits for only a few weeks before that, so it's clear that the team at Epic is only getting started in terms of finding out how much power they can get out of the system." http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGuHiuuLPL09141133 43 -
And?Unregistered - Truth 09.23.2005 18:31 Ok, so... again... how does having it run on three cores make the game graphically better? Do the cores each have their own built in Xenos processors or something? Didn't think so. The game won't look any better so... it's a huge difference from MGS4 only using a off the shelf 7800 GTX, only 256MB of RAM and 2.4GHz of the Cells 3.2GHz. 44 -
To # 41Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 18:32 I think most of the PS followers in here are just takeing the piss, I am anyway, because X360 guys just come here to trash everything they see. Soon as a new article is posted, an xbox follower tries to trash it, do they have a braincell to actualy read this is a PS3 site? I dont go round Xbox sites trashing their games, its stupid and childish. 45 -
To # 43Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 18:37 Dont forget Cell can do graphics too, the 3 cores in X360 can only do A.I phisics and all the other code for games, PS3 has defenately got the graphics advantage next gen. 46 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 18:38 ?????????? 47 -
TO X-FUCK FANSUnregistered - PS3 FANATIC 09.23.2005 18:51 Please go back to your own websites,nobody wants you here and you're not welcome. beat it! go and talk about your stupid toy you x-bums! why you're here? because you know your system is inferior and crap! hahaha... 48 -
#46Unregistered - crazy nigga 09.23.2005 18:53 Don't hate BITCH.360 sucks,PS3 rocks. 49 -
Interview on Xbox 360Unregistered - Masta o' Disasta 09.23.2005 19:07 Last week during the Tokyo Games Show, me Rob of msxbox-world.com and Hannes from livegamers.info were invited for a 45 minutes interview with Peter Moore. Here is the full transcript, done by Rob. Many thanks to him for his time ! First question, an easy question; Can you please explain to our readers your role at Microsoft? (smiles) That might not be as easy as you think! So my title is corporate vice president of worldwide marketing/publishing. I’m responsible for six distinctive businesses. So Microsoft Game Studios reports to me so all first party games development, Rare, Bungie etc. Third party relations, so the relationship with EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc, so third party relations reports to me. Worldwide marketing; I’m the head of world wide marketing as well so all marketing of the platform reports to me. PR, Michael’s organisation reports to me. We keep PR separately because so much of what we do in PR is only marketing or interpret corporate only. Japan, I am responsible for Japan as a stand alone business for home and entertainment and the general manager Oyama San reports directly to me. And then an interesting little business that were looking at called new media franchise development senior executive Kevin Brown reports to me; and that’s about how do we leverage Halo into movie space. How do we build our licence business of our intellectual property, strategy guides, action figures. And then in the future how do we look at advertising as part of the games and Xbox Live or what have you. So futuristic views on what we think the business is going to look like a year from now 2 years from now 3 years from now. So in nutshell- head of worldwide marketing and publishing. In your opinion what does Microsoft need to do to be successful in Japan? Well, I think that you know, we’ve been through a tough period here and we’ve learnt a lot of lessons. The simple lessons were to get the industrial design right, get the games right, get the marketing right and perhaps most importantly build a relationship that is deep and sustaining with the publishers here. I think we’ve done that in fact I know we’ve done that. The ability now for us to say that every major publisher is developing for Xbox 360 it’s for me most certainly a very proud moment and certainly the team here in Japan should be very proud. If you’d have said two years ago that people like Square Enix would be stood shoulder to shoulder with us, Capcom, Namco, Konami, Bandai, Sega would all be developing multiple titles. I think people would have scoffed. And I think that our ability to have a team on the ground that’s been able to build our relationships and build what we call this global ecosystem. All of the companies I have mentioned are already making very good money on Xbox- maybe not necessarily here in Japan but certainly around the world and they take a global view not just a domestic Japanese view about the business, so its important that were successful here in Japan. I want them to be able to walk out of their front door or down the street to Akihabara and see Xbox as a powerful competitor challenging hard in this business and that’s what were going to be. If you were in the press conference yesterday and Robbie’s keynote today or on the show floor, I think you sense a real optimism despite the scepticism that people have that an American company coming over here doesn’t do Hardware, not really into entertainment, all the things that people say will never be successful; but when you look at what we’ve done in two and a half years short years, its pretty proud for us. Today and Yesterday walking on the booth this afternoon as I said I did some TV . And I actually couldn’t get on the booth! Two years ago you could roll a bowling ball down there and not hit anybody. I had to come around the side and go in the lifestyle area there on the couch and do a TV interview because I could not get through the booth. So very proud where we are at today. After the failure of Xbox in Japan, how did you manage to get all the big Japanese developers to work on Xbox 360? Where they immediately convinced by Xbox 360’s future there? Well it’s been a lot of work and it’s been work on focusing on what the future of gaming will be and quite frankly there’s been a lot of discussion about online and what online will mean in the future. But showing a commitment to the Japanese market I personally have spent a lot of time here over the last couple of years. we have a team in place right now that is very talented and very experienced. Maruyama San came from Square Enix where he was head of the US operation. We had some tough conversations, but innovative marketing plans, a real vision for the future. As a company Microsoft’s great at sharing. What we do is build platforms and the windows platform was built. There are 1000’s of companies that make billions of dollars because they sit on top of the windows platform. This is a platform (points at 360 console) this is a combination of very powerful hardware, incredible software and the ability if you have done the digital entertainment demo; I mean great games obviously but the software that allows you to turn this thing into a digital entertainment amplifier in your living room is probably only something a company like Microsoft could afford to put the resources in top make it work. And then Xbox Live, you would be amazed how that changed the perception for many of the publishers here who saw the future ultimately in online; and saw it as a way to innovate in the game experience. I think looked at our competitors and realised they really didn’t have a strategy. They primarily went game by game. Nintendo clearly didn’t focus on online at all and I think Xbox Live has been a tremendous help to us in convincing publishers that the future of gaming ultimately goes online. I mean you couldn’t dream of your computer not connecting to the internet but 10 years ago computers didn’t and we all feel so comfortable now. I think 3 or 4 years from now it will feel second nature “of course my console connects I’m always connected, my friends need to connect with me my friends need to leave me messages I need to play with them” That will be second nature! Why the choice of only one system in Japan? Don’t you feel that the gamers in Europe and America will feel cheated especially with regards to the pricing? Is 299 euros a good price, 209 pounds a good price is 299 dollars a good price. I’m not worried about what some guy in Osaka can buy something for that is in a currency that he’s have never seen before in his life or doesn’t understand the sales tax or value added tax. Believe me it all balances out. I don’t think they are going to feel cheated; our concept very much was look, lets start with the Xbox 360 system; wireless controller, HD AV pack, 20 GB HD, Seamless connection to internet Xbox Live, headset you get a ton of stuff for $399 a ton of stuff for £279. And people should look at that and say “is this good value for money” and then go test drive this thing; it controls my digital camera it connect to my PC my iPod or my MP3 player or my windows media centre edition PC it opens up the entire living room for me and I’m not worrying about what someone else is going to get. As you find in any industry products are priced in their local market depending on what the supply and demand situation is. I haven’t got the calculations 106 yen to the dollar what 37800 yen is and I’m sure the boards have got their calculators out done their maths; there’s uproar! If they want to play in the foreign exchange game business and put some takes on…fine. We priced according to the local market and built a SKU platform for the market. Remember Maruyama San said, a week after launch who knows we might have the core system as well. Japan is focused on having a hard drive because there is uniqueness about this market, particularly the MMORPGS that we feel having a HD at the beginning is going to be important. Final Fantasy XI will come out at launch and in the Beta form as we announced and you know, the utilisation of the HD is important there is common data that you need when playing an RPG of that complexity they shouldn’t worry. I know people get excited and agitated by these things but they shouldn’t worry. They should focus on “is this good value?” Is this what I want under the tree this Christmas? Will there more than 7 games for the launch day in Europe and US? Will any game be “exclusive” for one region’s launch? Maruyama san announced yesterday was what we know at this point, that number could grow. Were coming in hot like any console launch the software is coming in hot. The games were still polishing and developers have all got their final hardware now it’s a race to the finish. The bigger number is we believe that 25 to 40 games will be available by the end of the year. So people fixate on what is available day one I’ve never seen anyone walk in and buy them all on day one. Whats more important to me is there is a reason every week to keep coming back and look at stuff if you didn’t buy it the first week. I look at some console launches and I look at the launch line ups and I’m surprised that they even sold one. The guys at Sony will tell you the PS2 launch line-up was just terrible. Fantavision firework simulator was a premium game, seemed to do ok. My focus more on, is, do I have the right genres covered do I have my sports games do I have Fifa in Europe do I have Madden in US. Do I have my fighting game theres DOA 4 Do I have my racing game PGR3, Need for Speed. What have I got for action adventure, Elder Scrolls will be an RPG very early in the life cycle. People shouldn’t fixate too much on what is going to be available on day one. They should look at the launch window and the information of what is going to be available in the first couple of months. So, I’m Very comfortable with that. More than 25 less than 40. Do you think the consumers will understand the choice between the core system and the full system? Do you think it has been a gamble to use this marketing approach? I don’t think it’s a gamble at all. First of all retailers have known about this for a long time, developers have known about it for years that there was a chance that there would be a SKU that didn’t have a HD. They’ve been told to develop as if there was not a HD and that’s what they’ve done. And then People get all in a “tizzy” that detracts somehow from the game experience when really they do not understand the core technologies that are behind what we do. When you see the packaging it will be very clear; I think you may have seen already some of the packaging there. There will be completely different coloured boxes. Retail goes through training programs to explain to the consumer “this is what this has got, this is what that has got”. The core system is no different, other than the Xbox, no different than any other console that has ever been shipped; it actually has got more stuff in it. If you want to save your game you’ve got to buy a memory unit (raises arms); that’s the case with everything except the Xbox. You might want to go and buy a hard drive fact of the matter is, it slips right in it slips out. It’s not like you have to unscrew this thing (points to Xbox 360) and do some electrical wiring. I’d say the overwhelming majority of consumers are going to buy the premium version anyway in the early going. But its very important to us for the guy that price is an issue. Europe, price is a big deal in the countries where we need to make an impact, France, Spain, Italy; price is a really big deal and the ability for us to be able to offer something at 299 Euros at launch was very important to us. Some people just don’t need to save their game I mean a minority but there are some people who just don’t need that. Why isn’t the launch the same day for all territories? A lot of gamers in Europe are angry about the fact that the US always get stuff first especially software. Will there be any changes in the future? So Europe is what, ten days behind? How do you know you won’t get your software on the same day? Looking at the track record. So normally Europe gets its stuff what, 6 months, 8 months, 9 months later? Ten days! Here’s the thinking behind where were at. It is one of the most incredible logistical exercises to get first of all there is a very good reason why this has never been done before because its very hard. You’ve got to get all your systems software nailed down, localised and ready to go and start manufacturing. Then you’ve got to get all of your games finalised, localised for all of the local markets and ready to go. We’re shipping in 16 countries alone in Europe. Then what we have to figure out what is the optimal time in each market where we need to be in market. US has an earlier shopping, season there’s a thing called thanksgiving in the US which signifies that Christmas is coming; its mayhem. It’s a four day weekend; thanksgiving is always the last Thursday in November. Friday is called “Black Friday” because theoretically this is when retailers are starting to make a profit. It’s a huge shopping day and if we miss thanksgiving then we may as well start the next year because phenomenal amounts of money are spent and the big gifts for Christmas are bought that weekend typically. Then you look at Europe and its a little later as there is no thanksgiving there; so I look at the trends for the last few years and it really starts to ramp first week of December. So we nail the US and were there and we get the stuff done there then we turn our attention to Europe because we have a few days leeway. Then eventually here in Japan the phenomena is Christmas bonus, where salaried employees get a Christmas bonus that is typically paid the 3rd weekend of the Christmas season; in time for Christmas and we need to be in market to take advantage of that. How long did you (Europe) have to wait for PSP? A long time! (laughter) So 10 days I am sure the boards are all up in arms that they are waiting 10 days for their xbox and the Yanks got it early again; believe me it takes an aweful lot. Were about to do something no-one has ever done before. So if they are a glass half full bunch which they sound like they are I’m sure they will get over it as soon as they get that (xbox 360) in there hands they will soon forget about the 10 days they had to wait verses the US! I think it’s just a matter of people starting earlier on Xbox Live games. People really want to start games at the same time. Oh, I know, we were 48 hours behind on Halo 2 and it was a conspiracy theory that the yanks were having 48 hours head start on Halo 2 (laughter) you know what 2 months later then it doesn’t really matter if you have a 48 hour head start. How many 747’s can we get because there are no boats involved here this is all major aircraft? How do we flow our production, how do we get it around the world, what’s our airfreight cargo, all of our distribution methodology. I can’t ship to the UK alone I can’t ship to France alone I’ve got to be in all of the countries we need to do. So tell them to give us a break we need a few days to be able to go from one launch to another as well and were pulling off what nobody’s ever pulled off before! What is your sales goal on Xbox 360 for all 3 territories? (Interrupts) A lot! What market share would you realistically like to have? We have strong sales goals, I’m not going to share those with you we have market share goals I’m not going to share those with you either. Suffice to say this is a scale business and it’s a business that we need to be phenomenally successful in to scale towards profitability. And as successful as the Xbox has been its still not scaling to where you need to be. We talk about it being a razors and blades business, you know Gillette, BIC, Wilkinson and Sword they don’t make money on the razors they make money on the blades. Hardware is typically in the early going, subsidised. Despite the complaining that it might be too expensive it’s costing us more than it’s costing them. Then of course the business model is that you sell lots of games and then everybody is happy. The bottom line is that profitability has to be a goal here for us. The goals that we have for market share and actual units shipped clearly this is something we’re not going to share, but they are very aggressive; this is a scaled business and you reach a certain point and things start to turning over very well for you. Software attach rate is a magic number, how many games you sell per console. Growing our Xbox Live leadership position is very important. Why haven’t more details about the games been available sooner than this? We still haven’t seen much if anything from Perfect Dark Zero for example. We even could say that we know more about PS3 games that will be released in months if not years, than about games to be released in just a few weeks? Why the secrecy? So there’s two things there; tell me one PS3 game that you know about release, what its game play is? There isn’t! Anybody? The videos are good. Perfect Dark Zero we have a complete focus on X05 you are going to see it there and we felt it was important that we unveiled Joanna, figuratively speaking, in Europe and allowed you to get your hands on it there. Perfect Dark will be a popular game here but this is not the right place to show Joanna Dark and the evil minds behind the DataDyne Corporation, the heroes of the Carrington institute this is not the place to do it. Wait until Amsterdam I think you’ll be blown away. Good things come to all who wait! What will Microsoft do to help with the marketing of HDTVs in Europe? Any type of bundle planned with Samsung for example? There’s a lot of innovative things that were planning with Samsung; so when we think about what were doing right now although we can’t link Samsung directly to our World Cup plans because they are not FIFA sponsored. I really believe that the World Cup in Europe is going to be one of those moments that really tips the balance. I’m old enough to remember my dad buying a colour TV for the ‘74 World Cup and prior to that we all watched black and white TV’s in England there was no reason to buy colour. And guys my age said that the fact that Brazil played in a light shirt and then England in a white against them on a black and white TV it was very difficult to see who was who (smiles) and stupid things like that. Many people will tell you that the colour TVs that flip over from black and white to colour was caused by the World Cup! I read about a month ago that the German broadcasting authority plans for 32 cameras per game in high definition. It will be magnificent and some of the later qualifying games are going to be in high def. So I think the World Cup will be that seminal moment where you’ll go into a pub (bar) maybe as the draw is made in December. I’m thinking that maybe some of the later games this year might be broadcasting in high def; it will probably start off in pubs (bars) and places that will buy high def TV and you’ll go in there and say “Holy Sh**!”. I’ll never forget seeing it at CES 2 years ago and sports relief, walking past LG’s booth and seeing ice hockey and I’m not a hockey fan, but standing there for ten minutes with my jaw on my chest watching New York Islanders and the Boston Bruins because I could see the ice, the mist of ice as guys skating, just unbelievable. So we are working all around the world with Samsung. The interesting thing is our industry and this device (points at 360 console) is bringing high definition experiences this year well ahead of where broadcast television typically is. Interestingly in the US right now you go into a Best Buy and they’ve moved their Xbox interactive into the TV section so that people can see games like Halo 2 that actually show off what it looks like on a high definition monitor, because already were starting to support some 720p in the current generation. So the ability for us to be able to have games that must have 720p, must have 16:9 aspect ratio, must show in 5.1 surround sound, very important. We think we’ll be a major catalyst for that very interesting demographic the 18 to 34 year old male, who just got to have that thing hanging on the wall, they’ve got the money but this (points at 360 console) is what drives and yes sports as well but its going to be later with broadcast but then again were going to be in the market many many years with this thing. Its what is known as future proofing, we may be ahead of our time right now. It reminds me of Xbox Live where everyone said “what do you mean you are not offering a dial up modem, no-body connects with broadband” well that’s a conversation that happened only a few years ago and now of course everybody connects with Broadband. If you have a standard 4:3 standard definition curved TV in a few years from now it will look very primitive. How much of an impact do you think PSP will have on sales this holiday season? I think PSP will do well, I think it grows the market, I don’t think its stealing money that’s put aside for that (points at the 360). I think there is room for innovation in every market , I’m sure retailers are loving the fact that they will have hot products not only the PSP but the iPod nano, I mean there’s a lot of cool stuff that’s going to be available and that’s good for retail business. I like to think that we’ve got a lot of products that are going to drive a tremendous amount of traffic into stores and I like to think that the PSP is going to continue to be successful in Europe for example; that’s going to help us because people are coming in. Likewise people are going to be lining on the sidewalks the night of December 1st and who knows might pick up a PSP as well. I don’t think it’s an either or choice by any means. Having a hard drive for games saves and music was a unique feature of the Xbox, however core package seems to be a complete U-turn on this. Whilst having a lower price-point may prove an effective strategy what was the reasoning behind forcing core owners to purchase a memory card rather than including it with the console? The interesting thing is, put Xbox aside every console requires you to buy a memory unit if you want to save games. It’s like we have invented fire here by making you go out and while I understood the questions I didn’t understand the angst everybody seemed to have over the whole thing. It really is in Europe in particular we felt that 299 Euros was a very important price point, remember we shipped at 479 Euros a number of years ago with the Xbox now you have a choice at 299 and if you want to buy a memory unit then that’s at say 340 but that’s your choice. You would be amazed at how many people don’t save games. You guys are hardcore gamers (smiles) you’d be amazed at how many people don’t think they need to save the game. But if you do go and buy a memory unit or you want a better experience then go buy a hard drive. Hard Drive will be right there and if you feel that big about it then say to yourself all the things I know I can do is it worth 399 Euros or is it worth £279 or $399; everybody says yes, when you lay it out and understand it they all say “yes”. Our goal is to provide choice, in particular we need to be more successful in Europe and providing an option to buy in at 299 at launch and of course over a period of time that price continues to go down is something we felt was important. In the early going a huge majority are going to buy the premium package. The core system is there for people who want that opportunity. Giving people more choice always felt like a plus to me and not a negative but I guess no good deed goes unpunished (smiles). Providing next gen gaming to consumers first seems to be a prominent part of the 360 marketing. Do you think Sony will use this period prior to launching PS3 to outperform the 360 in terms of system specs and perhaps even launch titles? Well, system specs have been announced, everybody that is a lot smarter than me technically both inside at Microsoft but the analyst community around the world have looked at them and gone (gestures) well they are better there and they are better there and the bottom line is we have two great powerful machines. There is no huge advantage that either device has over the other. They are both very powerful next generation machines, the biggest difference is we’re ready to go, were here and now. I don’t know how they can do anything with launch titles when there are no titles I don’t quite understand that, I think that they’ll continue to show what is known as target videos; I haven’t been in their booth I haven’t got an invite for some reason. I’m sure they are showing a bunch of videos for games that are proposed to be in the future and that’s there prerogative they are potentially a long way from launching. What you should do is walk over to the Xbox 360 booth, grab a controller and play some games. You be the judge. I think the consumer will always be the judge here. Certainly I think there’s a lot spoken about the first mover advantage. I actually don’t worry too much about the first mover advantage; I do worry about the second mover disadvantage because we’ve been there, done that and didn’t like it. If we felt that they really would have a huge processing advantage then there would be a little more concern. From there publicly stated specs, were both driving Ferraris here! PS3 will have blu-ray, Revolution will have a brand new controller concept, so both these systems will certainly get some exclusive titles thanks to their hardware difference. What do you think is the main point for getting new developers on board Xbox 360? I’m not quite sure why having blue ray will get you exclusive development, its just storage, it doesn’t enhance the gaming experience. When it finally exists and assuming HD DVD and they don’t go at it for a couple of years like the format wars Betamax and VHS. Our focus is on what is ready here and now, DVD-9 is here we feel all of the games that are in development right now all of the developers are very comfortable with the DVD format. It’s not out strategy to wait for things to potentially happen. Sony has a vested interest obviously in Blue Ray. When you look at what we think theoretical costs of the drives could be what the cost of the medium will be verses the benefits down the road a year from now 2years from now 3 years from now. I think 3 years from now with 20-40 million units of these things and we’ll feel very comfortable of where were at. That’s not to say that down the road there is not that flexibility to do things to take advantage of new medium and what have you; but I don’t worry about our ability to compete with whatever Sony throws at us whenever they decide when they are going to launch. I welcome Nintendo’s innovation, it’s risky we shall see. I’d give you a better opinion if I could see it actually work with a game. I saw people pointing at the camera. You have to admire a company that willing to take a risk like that and if it truly does grow the business then I think we all benefit. Europe is such a fragmented region yet still classed as one. From a marketing point of view how hard is it to cater for such a diverse market place? It is difficult, it’s fragmented, the French are very different from the Germans who are very different than the Dutch who are very different than the Brits. But there is a European mentality I think we could certainly have a pan European marketing campaign that has a similar theme. We’ve always encouraged a certain amount of localisation for local tastes in the market place. The interesting thing is that the product is pretty similar PGR sells, well everybody likes to drive fast cars. Halo 2 sells great everybody likes to shoot aliens. Perfect Dark Zero will be spectacular because everybody likes to go online and have a frag fest and play for hours with all of their friends. From a marketing point of view were very sensitive to local tastes but were developing the campaign which is just about finalised now. We’ve done a ton of market research in Europe in every major country that I think will really resonate well with the gamer and that will start to show up later next month you’ll see that TV what have you. The Xbox was Microsoft’s entry level into the console market-place and has done well to establish a firm user base. Would you say your job has become easier or harder in respect to this? I think it becomes harder because the expectations get higher. When you look at what the sceptics said when the Xbox was announced that video games is about two consoles and here’s three consoles going into 2 console race. Microsoft doesn’t get it, there’s no way that powerhouses Sony and Nintendo will even feel the impact of what Xbox can do and yet we sit here today and I firmly think that in most places in the World were a firm number two and that we’ve won the hearts and minds of the people which we care about which are the hardcore gamers its very important to us and nobody says we don’t get it. People love what we’ve done whether it’s Halo, Fable, Jade Empire, Forza, PGR. The IP that we’ve developed over a short few years ; helping people bring things out, Ubisoft Splinter Cell to market, Knights of the Old republic. Content that firmly arrived on the Xbox, Doom 3, we have provided the power for these people to bring their dreams to life from a development point of view. So no, it probably makes it harder because the expectations have now become higher, for success in the next generation. Its no different than you get through the early rounds in a cup competition and all of a sudden as you get closer to the semi finals and finals the tension mounts and the stakes are higher; so from a point of view of expectation then a lot of people expect us to win. Our job is to put ourselves in a position to win. Build that platform and make it work. The core package is about giving the user a chance to expand the console if needed. Considering the price difference between the 2 packages, many gamers are opting for the premium package regardless. Do you have any projections on the percentage of sales for the core and premium packages? I think the overwhelming majority, particularly in the early months will opt for the premium package and while there will be core systems and they’ll all be gone we think that will be in the minority. Over a period of time that may balance itself out or it might flip flop but we think certainly that it’s based on forget core verses premium and look at what you get for the price and then make that decision accordingly. Will Microsoft be offering financial support to developers creating new concepts or franchises on Xbox 360? We have always prided ourselves on the ability to support development, things that are platform driving, innovative any developer that has developed on our platform will tell you we offer anything from a huge amount of technical support to co-development co-marketing funds to help them bring their products to life. It’s been part of our success it’s what we do. Microsoft in its DNA builds a platform and says to developers come and put applications on top of this platform and make a lot of money. Games are the same, we build this thing (xbox 360) we build the platform and you know we say to our partners, come on make games for this thing and make a lot of money. Talk to any publisher or developer we have programs in place all of the world that support it. It looks like Microsoft will publish or develop less game on Xbox 360 than on Xbox. Don’t you think it’s a big risk to be so highly dependant on 3rd party developers? The early strategy for MGS was quite frankly based on the theory that we might not get publisher support and that we might have to carry more of the burden on our own shoulders to be successful. Over the last few years our strategy has morphed more into, yeah you are right we’ll probably make less games, but boy will they be bigger and so you’ve got the theory if you will without being disrespectful from years ago; you are throwing mud up against a wall and only some of it is sticks and some of it slides off. The strategy is much more refined much more sophisticated, much more mature now as regards to MGS in which we look at genres where we can really redefine what the experience is. We don’t do sports any more, EA, Take 2, Konami do an excellent job and investing in competing with our partners didn’t make a lot of sense. I’d rather put the money behind Bungie or put the money behind Rare to do innovative new stuff and that is what were doing. Our goal as a first party is to create platform defining content and third parties if they take a bigger share of a growing market god bless them! We believe that we’ll have a much larger majority of share on our box than Sony’s first party which typically fluctuates between 10% and 12% .in other words 90 or 88% of their games were done by 3rd party. I think we’ll be a little higher than that in fact I know we’ll be higher than that but I’m very comfortable with that. if for some reasons I thought our relations with publishers was tentative or rocky then I might be a little worried. The relationships are great! We know that the Xbox 360 name refers to putting the player at the centre of the console. Can you clarify the reasoning behind simply not calling the console Xbox 2? And how long did it take to finalize the name? We spent a long time looking at a name that really thought would define the experience. Xbox 2 didn’t really define anything other than it was the sequel to the Xbox. And in particular when your competitors got PS3 in the market we didn’t think it was smart. So we went out and we did 4 months of global focus research we got down to about 5 names and then we went around the world and we talked to consumers here in Japan, every major country in Europe, Latin America, Thailand, Korea, China even countries that we aren’t doing business but we ultimately may be there in the future. Xbox 360, when it was explained to them it went off the charts. So yes it is an entertainment experience which revolves around you and when we announced the name as always there was 48 hours of (raises arms) uproar! No-body ever gives it a second thought anymore. It’s so natural; and when you see in context with the packaging, the rings of light it’s not a logo but it’s a feeling that we think that we give off, this bright and optimistic feeling. It’s been a long time since anybody asked me a question I mean when we first announced it at E3 time it was a subject of a lot of chat but now. Remember I’m the guy who launched a DreamCast (Laughs). How effective is advertising at a sporting event? Will we see more of this in future and can you outline any new ways you are going to use to promote the 360 especially in the west? If you can stand out, certainly our commitment were the official console of the world cup, we’ve spent a lot of time and effort now with the FIFA interactive world cup and building with our partners EA, we’ll continue to do that. When we look at sports the biggest will be football in Europe is how do you stand out from the crowd? But we recognise that sports whether that be football in Europe or American football, baseball in the US; we are doing a lot of work in making sure that were linked and culturally relevant. There’s a bunch of stuff that I’m not in a position to tell you right now but it will be tied to sports. I spent 8 years at Reebok as the head of worldwide sports marketing, so I know a thing about sports marketing as well. What you do not want to be is one of the hoardings around the pitch that is just there you’ve got to have innovative ways to stand out. We recognize the importance to our consumers what sports means to them and as such we will continue to look at that. The World Cup will be a big part of our marketing plans next year. What’s your favourite current generation title and upcoming generation title? So, current generation title I’ve lived in America a long time so I’ve played Madden right now which they continue to innovate even though they have the exclusive now on the NFL. Of all things the Incredible Hulk as well as that, I don’t know why it’s just one of those games you pop in and you start playing and I really like that. Next Generation I’ve been playing a ton of Kameo. I really fell in love with Kameo about a year ago and I spent a lot of time back and to with the team at Rare. I have a beta kit at home with Kameo on the Hard drive and I’ve just watched this game develop and develop and develop and get more beautiful, get deeper , get more fun. I’m very fortunate to have Kameo at home to play 7-8 hours if I need to. My 13 year old daughter more interestingly which is what I wanted to see just loves it! So Kameo, I haven’t been able to play a lot of PGR next gen but I’ll get my hands on that. I was in Liverpool a while back and went to see Bizarre and see where they are at with that. I’ve done a little bit of co-op on Perfect Dark which is very very cool you will see more of that at X05. 3rd Party titles I got to see King Kong in New York this weekend looks unbelievable, Call Of Duty 2 blows me away. Ghost Recon 3 looks great- what else without “dissing” anybody(laughs) once you start you’ve got to keep going! DOA 4 Itaki actually has an event this evening that I can’t get to but I think he will be showing DOA4. Mitzuguchi is one of my favourite people and 99 nights is going to be great. I’m not sure I could play that seeing as it’s not localised but that would be a title I’m getting very excited about! 50 -
What a joke!Unregistered - PS3 FANATIC 09.23.2005 19:28 this guy isn't honest to himself. they weren't man enough to name their system Xbox2 because they knew it is weaker that PS3. if they were confident, they would do it. if your system is on par with PS3 then don't be afraid and trust your customers and fans and don't think they are such morons to judge your system only by it's name. oh...by the way, PDZ, what an astonoshing graphics! i think i've seen graphics like this on PS1! hahaha....... 51 -
read this sony boy's Unregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 20:37 http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGuiNGHPdN09231558 52 -
forgot thisUnregistered - poopusher 09.23.2005 20:57 OWNDIZZLED!!!!!!! 53 -
WOWUnregistered - SE7EN 09.23.2005 21:10 you mean you found an article that was anti-PS3 on an Xbox site? Holy shit, thats amazing!!! maybe you should try to make ps3 look stupid by actually going to a neutral source, dumbass 54 -
ps3vs.xbox360Unregistered - maccdaddy 09.23.2005 22:03 im not a ps3 or xbox360 fanboy but i would like to know what is the difference if the article was on a xbox360 site or a ps3 site? if the same article was on the ps3 site it wouldnt change what he said. its not like he is being biased either or else he wouldnt of complimented the revolution controller. Second of all xbox fans have a right to be on this site but i dont think that they or ps3 fans should put down others opinions or the game systems because they are both great! i happen to like the xbox 360 more because from what ive seen visually they dont look that different. I think that the xbox 360 has the upper hand because they have more media wise things than the ps3. Plus how many people really have a 1080p resolution tv?i know i dont. and one more thing that i like about the xbox 360 more than the ps3 is the video games. they just dont suit me. The xbox 360 has everything i want in a system: music, great graphics, and of course xbox live. i guess its just what you want in a game system that matters right?i know this what i say is going to be criticized so this is my last post on this site because im apparently not welcome.Fell free to come on the xbox 360 site anytime and speak your mind. Isnt freedom great? 55 -
To all the XbotsUnregistered - fuzzyjim 09.23.2005 22:29 Have a look at this dumb ass's, its a neat little guide for you all, have fun learning the art. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a271/fuzzyjim/497234f0.gif 56 -
To # 54Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 22:51 When your finished babbleing on about how much you like the X360, maybe you can get back on topic about the latest MGS4 news, if you want to talk about how much you dont care about PS3 and how much you love X360 do it somewhere else, where people are interested in X360, this is a PS3 site. If I want to know about X360 I will look for a site where people are talking about X360, as it is, I'm not interested, same as you have just said your not into PS3, so what you here for? what your wingeing about isnt on topic, all you Xbox fanboys are the same, nothing better to do apart from hit on playstation sites, grow up and get a life. 57 -
To # 49Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 23:18 Yet another Xbot360 supporter going way off topic and very long winded at that, I didnt notice a single thing in your post that has anything to do with the topic at hand "More MGS 4 Details" can you post all your crap interviews on your Xbox 360 forum, because I find all this Xbox info useless to this website. I dont know why X360 fans have to come into a PS3 discussion, and completely change the subject, are you all afraid of MGS4 or something? jeez you Xbots sure are dumb at times. 58 -
To # 51Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 23:39 yet again what relevance does this have towards MGS4? A biased site, spewing hype and properganda. What did you come here for again? just to post that biased xbox365 link, thinking it would impress people? its lies, eventualy you will see this, thing is it will be too late once you buy into the X360 hype. I've seen the games, gears of war looks nothing like the dev shots, the charecters have bad animation and walk like they've shit themselves, this is supposed to be a highly antisipated game, I'm just thankfull its not on PS3. Anyway, take your x360 links, interviews and babbleing somewhere else, I'm more interested in MGS4 and the PS£ supporters views on the game. 59 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.23.2005 23:42 PS£ was supposed to say PS3, appologies. 60 -
The Next GenerationUnregistered - Cynical Gamer 09.24.2005 08:17 OK from this moment on I'm going to hold all the manufacturers and all the developers who make statements on the next generation accountable for the statements they make during the launch period. So Micrposoft you need to provide me with a live experience that isn't full of the whiny kids that frequent both the Xbox360 & PS3 forums, I should have more say over who I get matched with and it should be done for me. I don't want to have to go the hassle of hosting my own custom sessions, I just want to play (same goes for you Sony once you get your online up and running). That and ongoing support from Japanese developers all the way from massive scale RPG projects to boutique codeshop shooters. Sony you need to deliver me straight out the box a system that is appreciably better in terms of power and functionality than MS. That and some truly stellar first party software, of a far higher standard than the solid but unspectacular efforts that pass for AAA titles as far as you're concerned. Just to get this topic back on track before you all rush to start sniping for posting off topic. Kojima you really need to deliver a real next generation experience from MGS4. As far as I'm concerned the only real next generation leap MGS has made was when it went 3D on the PS. Since then the series has only been treading water. Sure there have been some nice ideas like the food and the real time aspect of MGS3 based on the PS2 clock but they were hardly genre defining, just touches added to largely unchanged gameplay. I want to experience something new, something that genuinely surprises me not just some fancy new graphics and a few tweaks to the existing gameplay. I know it's easy to get sucked into brand loyalty, especially with an experience as immersive as gaming. You start to associate the good times you have gaming with the console under your TV and assume no one else can be having as good a time as you. But if we all start using our intelligence, questioning rather than accepting we can all make the next generation better for every one of us. Just remember the customer is always right, not Sony, Microsoft or anyone 61 -
#55 fuzzyjimUnregistered - poopusher 09.24.2005 09:45 this is how it's done, http://www.nitrolic.com/ps3controller1.php you sony boy's with sad attempts of mocking the 360 if your gonna do it do it properly. peace out nigga's 62 -
Puberty?Unregistered - Drop Dead You Cretins!!!!!!!!!! 09.24.2005 10:22 I've just re read this whole thread from top to bottom and I'm struggling to find one post that has anything more to contribute than * is better than #, # sucks, all * fans are homos / retards / jealous. Why don't each and every one of you take you pubescant hormonal rage and do something more useful with it than posting your poisonous drivel on these forums. All your hate and bile does is prevent anyone from having a serious discussion about the next generation. You're all such simple minded idiots that any original idea or thought contrary to what you want to believe is considered a pesonal attack and responded to by quoting huge chunks of corporate propoganda like it's the gospel. I suggest the army or helping with the hurricane relief might be a better way to work out your aggression. So in closing in a language all obviously understand FUCK OFF YOU STUPID MEANINGLESS LITTLE CRETINS! All of you Sony Supporters and Xbox Fans alike are a blight on video gaming and your seriously making me consider just not buying a next gen console. Retarded little fucks. 63 -
cynical gamerUnregistered - xbox360 man 09.24.2005 10:30 cynical gamer, microsoft fixed the problem of little kids playing against you in xbox live with the gamer profiles that match you up based on your experience, or if you want to play for either fun or play with other hardcore gamers. it even makes sure that you dont get stuck playing with cheaters because there will be ratings for everybody online based on how others interact with you and think your a good or bad sport 64 -
fuck xbox360 man Unregistered - kill x360 09.24.2005 13:04 you suck also ur fuckn 360 ... 65 -
62Unregistered - Tha L 09.24.2005 13:18 Although wat u say has some truth in it theres no point cus ur just gonna get totally ignored as u shud alredy know. They never listen when people say "why are u attacking each other over this there just games consoles" they dont even replie to say "ohh we dont care" they just plain shut u out !!!. and if u dont like it then u shud just leave cus u know they aint gonna stop its as simple that :). EASY !!! 66 -
REMEMBERUnregistered - AnonymousE 09.24.2005 14:20 JUST A THOUGHT TO ALL YOU PS3 DICKS REMEMBER WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT THE EMOTION ENGINES POWER. WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT THAT TURNED OUT TO BE. ALL OF THE CELL'S STATS ARE THEORETICAL. THE 360 IS REAL 360 SPECS = 3 CUSTOM IBM POWER PC CPU THAT HAVE SYMETRICAL CORES THAT RUN AT 3.2 GHZ THAT HAVE 2 HARWARE THREADS PER CORE AND 128 VMX-128 REGISTERS PER HARDWEAR THREAD AND A 1MB L2 CAHE THATS SHARED WITH THE GPU THE GPU RUNS AT 500MHZ HAS 10MB OF EMBEDDED DRAM AND HAS 48 WAY PARALLEL FLOATING POINT DYNAMICALLY SCHEDULED SHADER PIPELINES WITH A UNIFIED SHADER ARCHITECTURE THAT CAN CALCULATE 1 TERRAFLOP (1 TRILLION FLOATING POINT OPPERATIONS PER SECOND) OR YOU COULD ALL READ THIS http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html A SPEC TEST WAS DONE AT E3 IT PROVES THAT THE PS3 IST AS POWERFULL AS YOU ALL ARE BEING LET TO BELIEVE . 67 -
#66 You need to read more...Furious 09.24.2005 14:57 #66 I should have known when your post was in all CAPS it would be worthless... I would like to start by saying the Emotion Engine has fulfilled the initial tech demos displayed during the PS2 Launch and in some ways surpased the demos. If you don't believe me check out some of the PS2 Demo footage (http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/news/video/ps2demos/psx2_3.mpg)The character design in MGS3 is on par with the Tecmo girl demo, God of War & GT4 running in 1080i looks better than any of the PS2 prelaunch footage shown. I just included a link for one demo, you should do a google search to see more. Also, remember the PS2 is running with roughly a 300MHz processor. The XBox is about twice as powerful as the PS2 if you look at the specs, but the games do not look twice as good. Now before you say I'm pro Sony I own the XBox and have my 360 on preorder. I'm just trying to prove a point, the hardware is important but software development is always the most important variable. Both consoles will be monsters from a power perspective, but the PS3 has the most potential when you review the specs. It's simple math 7 cores running at 3.2GHz (I would say 8, but 1 core is for redundancy) compared to 360 having 3 cores running at 3.2GHz. I understand it's not exactly that easy of an comparision, but if the developers write their software for the SPEs it is a fair comparison. Perhaps you should review this article on Cell development and architecture. (http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell3_v2.html) After you review the article you can discuss the Cell with a little more knowledge. The next gen war is not going to be based on hardware, it will be based on software how will the developers get the power out of the consoles. The PS2 had great AAA titles because GT4, MGS, GTA had engines developed from the ground up for the PS2 pulling all the power from the console. In the next gen war the only titles we will see truely using the consoles potential are exclusive titles built from the ground up to use the Cell/SPE achitecture. The titles from EA and other developers for multi-platforms will look great, but will not offer mind blowing graphics or special effects. The Gears of War game looks amazing, but it's only using one core on the 360! We should really see some amazing games in the years to come... Sorry about the long post, but I had to school #66 on his ignorant comments. Peace... 68 -
WELL, isn't that special.Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.24.2005 14:58 Umm.... well i guess i'm supposed to comment on MGS4 but after reading the post i feel like i should insult someone! But really did anyone read that, that was weird as hell it wasn't really an interview just a bunch of random info, cool but weird. I'm getting a 360 although i have given second thought to not getting one in case PS3 is really expensive, however im confident it wont be too much. Can't wait for this game hope realtime= gameplay from the sound of things it shouldnt be a prob. for PS3. Hope it doesn't kill the 360 though or else i will have wasted $400. lol (from the looks of things it might) 69 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.24.2005 15:08 #50 i think everyone will agree it's a term called marketing. 70 -
Itagaki: Me to stupidUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.24.2005 17:38 Itagaki: PS3 has too complicated of architecture. What a pussy in other words his team is a bunch or morons that can't do shit unless he has a Windows OS running in the background. 71 -
Stop Crying bitch...Furious 09.24.2005 17:51 #70 i agree it's bullshit some developers are crying about the next gen architecture. Trust me it's a two way street developers for both consoles are trying to understand the multi-core multithreading environment... I'm glad I will own all the next gen consoles so I should not miss out on Ninja Gaiden 2, but I hopes it's truely next gen, because DOA 3.4 oh I mean DOA 4 looks like a high res version of DOA ultimate... If I'm paying $400+ for the consoles I want to see more than high res titles with no jaggies! Come on software developers get it together! 72 -
I agree...Unregistered - Truth 09.24.2005 19:19 I personally think all the developers bithing about the next-gen consoles are just that, bitches. I don't care how prolific you are of a developer, if you can't cope with the way technology is heading and would rather stick with dated technology of the next best thing then I have no respect for you. That goes the same for the Vavle guy. I love Half-Life 2, but that's where my respect for the series stops. Bottom line: Stop bitching and learn the fucking architecture you little whiny cunts. Hideo and scores of other companies are seemingly having no trouble so suck it up. 73 -
you think you are the bestUnregistered - ninja0327 09.24.2005 19:28 to #70 and 71 you think you"re better than the developers themselves, stupid morons.what itagaki sayed was that he hoped the so called cell of the ps3 would haddle the power that sony claim it has(his not the only one who sayed that before)it depends to how dedicated a developer is to a console if his willing to to make game with great graphics he will not say its coplicated. for you own information mastering or learning a new technology isn't that easy espcially within such short period of time when you are releasing a game in 2 months (DOA4 on the x360).why do you think sony gave ps3 development kit to the developers? its because they what the developers to get familiar with the cell and the 7 SPE's technology. same apply's to the xbox360,hopefully the nintedo revolution as well.thats why those developing ps3 games are taking their time. so stop making stupid comments about developers saying game console structers are too complicated. if you not satisfied with their games, make you own. peace out 74 -
Don't be a jackassFurious 09.24.2005 20:22 #73 You can't be serious... I'm not a videogame developer, but I am a consumer and my mighty dollar determines the direction of the industry. Team Ninja and Itagaki are talented developers, but Like #72 said if you can't embrace change and the evolution of hardware it's very disapointing. The current hardware architecture required a change in design due to heat issue. I won't go into details if your curious read a book... The cell design is a great approach to create a heat friendly extremely powerful chipset for consoles. Developers will have to learn how to write software in the new enviorment and bitching about the complexity is worthless. I just find it amusing that team Ninja originally stated they wanted to work on the most advanced hardware and now they are looking at the monster that is PS3 and are scared to death... Also, if Itagaki took his time with DOA4 perhaps it would look like the Cutscenes displayed in the game. I thought the next gen games were suppose to look like the prerendered cutscenes, how weak is that...#73 bow down to a player that's greater than you! 75 -
You must be kiddingXBOX 360 and PS3 FAN 09.24.2005 22:06 I go to both xbox360news as well as here to read news about OUR systems. All i see is a bunch of idiots talking smack and swearing. Is it possable to talk about the news the way its supposed to. 76 -
...Unregistered - Truth 09.24.2005 23:22 I don't usually swear on online message boards, but I'm getting pretty fed up with the one or two game developers that are curled up in a corner sucking their thumbs because they're scared of the PS3 technology while everyone else is seemingly shrugging and working diligently on making the best games possible for launch and beyond. Makes me wonder if Itagaki wasn't paid to say that comment to make the PS3 look bad. It seems that no one else is having any problems and if they are they're not speaking up. Weird, huh? 77 -
To #66Unregistered - Trevor 09.25.2005 01:32 I read your artical titled :E3 2005: Microsoft's Xbox 360 vs. Sony's PlayStation 3 With Sony's specs out, Microsoft has sent us its a comparitive analysis. What's the outcome? 1) The report is by Microsoft - and therefore bias. 2) Microsoft would not have the actually PS3 hardware at the time of E3 - so all their conculsions are hypothetical. 3) The report was submitted by a PR (public relations) team at M$ - not a technical team. And therefor subject to the bullshit factor. 4) Quote from IGN "Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info.." I could go on - but whats the point? This artical is clearly PR drudge. If you work for any big organisation (like me), you know your PR people walk around in rose colour glasses, bemoaning their organisation as the best in the world. When in fact, they're working for the same bunch of cunts as you! 78 -
Amen #77Unregistered - Truth 09.25.2005 02:27 I don't think I, or anyone else could have said it any more eloquently. Well done. 79 -
#77Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 07:13 you say its microsofts pr durge and that you should make of it what you will and that the ps3 specs were hypothetical at e3 but it was cunts like you who were falling over thems selfs over the killzone footage(sonys pr durge) , saying "oooh look at that realtime ingame graphics" how can it be realtime in game on a machine that didnt exist at e3(according to your words you muppet) and i think you will find the ps3 specs are still not finalised (they keep cutting back because of costs to them and so the console comes out at a reasonable price) and bully for you if you work for a big organisation what you want a medal? 80 -
specs say it allUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 07:21 CPU The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games. The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit. The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming. Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one. Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs. Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions. Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically. Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time. Sony's CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to. 81 -
to #79Unregistered - Trevor 09.25.2005 08:18 No medal required. Just the £40k per annum I earn. Now fuck off and die cretin. Go and buy your cheap console. I'm sure your 2 brain cells will be more than happy with it. 82 -
To #80Unregistered - Trevor 09.25.2005 08:40 Thankyou for that cut'n'paste from yet another microsoft site... Xbox Live's Major Nelson's unofficial blog Posted: May 20, 2005 @ 10:37 am (4 months, 1 week ago) By: Major Nelson Quote: One of the great things about working at Xbox is that we have some of the smartest people in the world working on the Xbox 360. The supporting graphs are the ones reported in the PR druge posting (#66) and should therefore be dismissed. I prefer to get my information from an impartial site. This link here http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050830_185425.html talks to the head architect at IBM who should know what he's talking about - since he built / designed the thing! If you wanna know what Cell can do, read it. 83 -
# 81Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 10:20 if you earned that much ca$h you would not be on this site dickhead, you would be driving your porsche and shagging loads of fit birds, that's what id be doin anyway :] 84 -
Trevor the Liar?Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 10:45 Trevor if you really earned £40k p.a. I doubt you would be posting the same rubbish the little kids who can only afford one next generation console spout. You'd be on the AV forums with the rest of us trying to work out which HDTV to buy to really take advantage of the whole next generation. But then I suppose a man of your means has already got that taken care of and is quite happy watching television and DVD's on your audiovisual behemoth while you wait on the "only true next generation console". 85 -
# 84Unregistered - Anonymous Chump 09.25.2005 10:57 LOL 86 -
#81Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 11:46 little cretin ???? you dont even know who the fuck i am you fucking dick 40k per anum man thats whack i am a leading graphic designer for a multi nat company average earnings per year 70 grand (yea baby dances round room ) so get the fuck out of town and my age i am still only 27 woot young and stupidly rich thats me so i could buy you lots of medals 87 -
To #83 & #84Unregistered - Trevor 09.25.2005 11:51 No need for the Porsche with my good looks - besides which, my wife thinks anyone who drives those type of cars are pricks - and rightly so. Money is spent on more mundane things like a mortgage / bills /kids - still plenty left over for expensive electronic toys. I'm toying with either the Panny LXD500 or the new Tosh WLT58 - both 1500 notes. I do read the AVfourms and post on there frequently - I just come on here to wind up little Xbox fans who are saving up their pocket money to buy an inferior product. No doubt you'll be hooking your 360 up to your Argos LCD. Still won't matter sonny, with all the masturbation you're doing, the high resolution would be wasted on you! NOW FUCK OFF YOU SILLY LITTLE CUNTS. 88 -
to #74Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 11:53 itagaki has made one of the greatest looking games like ninja gaiden.with the strongest current game cosole that is the xbox. so i don't see why he cannot use a ps3 achitecture to make a game. but again maybe he's not interested in ps3.and he had enough time to make DOA4 so i expect the game to look better that it is. maybe his just throwing the public in wrong direction. only to supprise them in the end. 89 -
#80Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 11:54 no man i got it from ign and i looked at toms hardware and......oohhh the cell can run linux the xbox modding community have had linux running on the original xbox for abou 3 years all you need is a mod chip (or the 007 game save hack) and a larger harddrive 90 -
Hmmm....Unregistered - Mickus 09.25.2005 11:58 Isn't this getting a little off topic now ? No matter what people earn a year, it's their money to spend on what they want. Can't we just leave it as that? Anyhow, does anyone know of any links for MGS4 where you can download the trailer from, as opposed of just streaming it? If so, could they post here. Many thanks. 91 -
#87Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 12:00 no trev my 360 will be hooked up to my panasonic 42" plasma model th-42pa20 costing me 3grand. and you dont drive a porsche cos your wife dont like them. well your a real man aint you ? now go away and do the washing up like your wife told you to. 92 -
Specs... What Specs?Furious 09.25.2005 12:16 #80 I really enjoyed your post... The whole post was a cut and paste job from one of the Microsoft engineers statements regarding the hardware. Until 11/22 arrives we are discussing vaporware and you should take all statements with a pinch of salt. If you review my previous thread # 67 I actually stated my opinion and included links to support my thoughts, #80 you should try the same approach if you want your threads to be taken seriously. Honestly, I would prefer to hear what developers think about developing on the new hardware not competing engineers. I don't think anyone would tell you with a straight face developing for either console is an easy task. (I'm not talking about making games for 1 core, i.e. the entire 360 launch lineup) that's lame. I'm talking about designing for multiple cores and threads. I'm sure Kojima (MGS series), Yamauchi(GT series) & Rockstar are using the PS2 "Emotion Engine" in ways the designers had not envisioned. Developers are a resourceful bunch who find ways to accomplish their game visions. If I'm a betting man I would rather give these developers 7 cores to work with rather than 3. Like I stated in my previous post the only games we will see utilizing the true power of either console is specialized engines designed from the ground up for the consoles. Also, who really gives a fuck how much money Trevor makes, you guys find some stupid shit to debate on this forum...Let's get things back on track and discuss the consoles/games! 93 -
?#93Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 13:06 7 cores ? the cell is one chip yes is might contain 7 or rather 8 cores but that one chip has to calculate everything from AI to physics to graphics thus putting extra strain on the cell cpu the 360 has 3 independant cores each one runs 3.2ghz take care of computing graphics , AI , physics independant of each other ie core1 = graphics cal. core 2 =AI. and core 3= physics. its the way those 3 cores are implimented that makes them out perform the cell. and its not as simple as saying the 360 just has 3 cores it has 3 cpu's plus the L2 cache . put it this way capcom have gone on the record saying the 369 build is looking better than the ps3 build and its all because of the overly complicated cell chip. and some one posted on here saying that the developers should work even harder to embrace new technology. but why should they when they have the ease of working with the 360 chipset and getting better results than they are with the cell chipset. just like every one who has a job you always find the easy way of doing something to get the same results 94 -
~93 againUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 13:11 and who said the entire launch line up for the 360 are all running on 1 core?? if your refering to gears of war that game is still in early dev its not a launch title and if it looks that good on one core (mgs4 if footage is real game footage is utilising the cell chip to is max) then what will it loolike when they utilize the other 2 cpu's(what you lot are calling cores) 95 -
addition to 94Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 13:14 i meant to say the capcom build of resi 5 96 -
bdgUnregistered - fuck al of you 09.25.2005 15:12 This game rocks. and no one of youis gonna change that... PS: xbox360 sucks big time 97 -
to #94 you stupid or what?Unregistered - ninja 0327 09.25.2005 15:17 I love the xbox 360 as you do. BUT don't post stupid things if you don't have any reasonable comments to say .besides what you are doing on ps3 site. go to the xbox 360 site where you can post you stupidity concerning the x360 but don't give ps3 fan boys a had time. 98 -
my apologies to #94Unregistered - NINJA0327 09.25.2005 15:19 i ment #92. 99 -
#93 I guess we are all Hardware Experts...Furious 09.25.2005 15:38 #93 Let's continue our debate regarding next gen development, I doubt either one of us are qualified to discuss this topic in great detail, but never the less it's entertaining... I have a degree in computer science so I feel more confortable discuss software development, but what the hell let's keep this going. First I would like to see a link to the article stating Capcom found the 360 architecture more powerful or effective than the cell. Also, Sony engineers have stated in several articles that the Cell (8 cores I say 7 because 1 is for redundancy)was not designed to handle graphics. The core can actually handle graphics, some of the initial demos were using the cell for all the assets, but graphic rendering is not the Cell's strong point. The RSX GPU (more powerful than the GPU in the 360) is suppose to handle visuals and the Cell's 7 SPEs are suppose to handle other assets (i.e. physics, AI, etc.)The Cell calls for a whole new approach to development (The 360 chipset falls in this same camp)Since MS takes a general-purpose 3 core approach you would make a false assumption as others have taken toward the cell's architecture, in which the role of the SPEs appears to be reduced in importance.The SPEs are fully-capable processing units that are capable not only of running threads spawned off from a main program, but also running single-core, scalar programs in their entirety not only multithreading, but multitasking. The cell's SPEs can be recognized as a powerful general-purpose processors. Once again if you want to place bets on the console's potential (because at this point we are discussing vaporware) I would go with three hardware vendors Toshiba/IBM/Sony over one software vendor's design. Only time will tell, but if the Cell is not optimal for gaming it's a huge miss for three successful manufactures... Also, who said the MGS4 demo was using the cell to the max? I have not read any articles even stating how much of the cell is being used in the demo. Plus, the demo was running off Devkits (no RSX or cores running at 4.2GHz underclocked to 3.2GHz for heat concerns...)MGS4 is only the tip of the iceberg!I can't say it enough the specialized engines for the consoles will play a huge role in the next gen war. Peace... 100 -
xbox 360 v.s ps3Unregistered - not biased 09.25.2005 19:19 youre right the cell chip does have 7-8 spes on it opposed to the xbox 360's three independant cores. On the other hand, the cells 7 spes arent general purpose like the xbox 360's cores. that is why they are easier. The advantage that sony has stated is that it has a higher floating point math than the xbox 360 and thats great. But, the ps3 wont be able to use all of its power because its memory is split up into two different sections while the xbox 360's memory is put into one. even though it wont it will still have enough power to perform great. of course im just stating what i heard like everyone else on this website because ther isnt a working ps3 yet to compare to. if i do sound biased im sorry but i have to go for the xbox 360 because its what i want. some peopleare getting the ps3 because its what they want. so why argue? besides we all know that the xbox 360 is going to be as good as the ps3. the graphics arent that dramatically different. 101 -
#95Unregistered - Truth 09.25.2005 19:58 Unless each of the other two XBOX 360 cores have their own Xenos processor, Gears of War won't make a massive leap in graphics like all your XBOX fanboys want to believe. What you're seeing now is probably as good as it's going to get which is pretty damn good. And to those saying each the cores run at 3.2GHz, well yes, however not all at the same time. No cooling system on Earth right now can cool down the heat generated off a computer running at 9.6Ghz so I'm thinking each core functions independently for certain tasks. Again, the MGS4 demo might have been using the maxium capabilities of the Cell, I don't know, and neither do you. However, that doesn't negate the fact that it was still on an early dev kit which consists of a 2.4Ghz Cell processor, 256MB of RAM and a Nvidia 7800 GTX GPU. A far cry from the final kits being sent out in December which consist of a 3.2GHz Cell processor, 512MB of RAM ( 256 being that of XDR Rambus, 10x faster then the DDR ram in the XBOX 360 acording to Rambus themselves ) and the finalized RSX GPU. So, I can saftely assume that a game like MGS4 will receieve a massive upgrade in graphics with the final PS3 specs as opposed to Gears of War running on the other two cores. Either way both games will look excellent and I'll be making sure my friend picks of GoW just like I'll be picking up MGS4 so we can both enjoy each others software. I'm just saying... don't expect some Half-Life to Half-Life 2 jump in graphics for GoW as that's just wishful thinking. 102 -
nice commentsUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.25.2005 20:11 this comments are educational, keep it up guys . 103 -
Since we are discussing hardware...Furious 09.25.2005 20:28 Have you guys seen the Nintendo Revolution specs? The numbers I'm going to list are not final figures, but still interesting. Here's an insert from the article "The brains of the console are rumored to be a single dual-threaded IBM "custom" PowerPC 2.5 GHz CPU, with 256 KB L1 cache and 1 MB of L2 cache (L3 cache is rumored). The system will also sport a Physical Processing Chip (PPU) with 32MB of dedicated RAM, while the CPU itself will saddled up next to 512MB of system RAM. The custom ATI GPU solution is rumored to consist of a RN520 600MHz core, backed with 256MB of RAM and "32 parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines." While the output will theoretically be capable of putting out 1080p resolution (higher even, at 2048x1268)" Here's the link http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050923-5344.html It looks like the XBox may slide to #3 in the power department for the next gen war. I'm curious to see how this all plays out, XBox goes from #1 power to #3. Honestly I think us PS3 fans need to fear the revolution more than the XBox, because people are really starting to get excited for the new console's controller and now the increased power specs make things more interesting... 104 -
XBox 360 Developers Speak!Furious 09.25.2005 21:08 Recently Itagaki spoke about the PS3 being too complicated... Now we have XBox developers saying lack of a hard drive and DVD drive are restricting their creative process. It looks like the developer of Saints Row and The Outsiders are not completely satisfied with the new 360, read the article http://www.gametab.com/news/376237/. The final hardware has not been released, but some serious concerns are already present. I'm starting to consider not purchasing the 360 at launch, because I'm sure they will release a version with a HD-DVD drive or Blueray with a hardrive in a few months. I'm glad Sony is not rushing their console so I won't have to second guess that purchase. Think about it... 105 -
hddUnregistered - not biased 09.25.2005 21:28 if this article is really true, then the ps3 is going to get some shit too. You think about it... 106 -
#106 Think againFurious 09.25.2005 21:44 The PS3 will not have the no HD blues, because from day one developers knew the hard drive would not be included. The 360 developers were not prepared for the HD removal and are rushing to develop titles for the launch. If the developers had time to produce quality titles the lack of HD would not exist, now the DVD format is another story... Also, it's interesting to know the US consumers will be taken for granted by M$ with the console pricing. The Japanese 360 with HD is selling for $180 and the US version is $399. If XBox did not have decent US support and market share we would not be getting raped with the pricing. Also, I think it was a poor decision to remove the hard drive as a standard with the console. That's my 2 cents. 107 -
think again 107Unregistered - not biased 09.25.2005 22:36 actually, microsoft did tell game developers from the start not to expect the hard drive as a standard. the game developers dealt with it and they didnt seem to have any problems. its weird because there are a lot of deveopers but only a few are having problems. it seems to me that it isnt microsoft but a couple developing companies. so i am not that concerned with this. this is just my 3 cents lol. 108 -
by the way...Unregistered - not biased 09.25.2005 22:52 by the way, the pricing difference between japan and the u.s could be because they want to attract japanese gamers since they are struggling to keep up in that region. the lower pricing is sort of like bait so that they can reel them in and really show what they have to offer. Im pretty sure there not trying to punish the u.s in any way. i figured that microsoft doesnt have to do this in the u.s because they are doing fine here. i know what im saying isnt proven, but its smart. another example of microsoft working to get the japanese interested in them is the games. Did you notice that game developers for xbox 360 and the ps3 have different game styles? in my opinion i think that both games systems are going to be able to offer exactly what the developers want in a game. 109 -
wowUnregistered - havoc 09.26.2005 01:40 They give give us a little info about mgs and look what happens, all the haters come out. 110 -
Unregistered - CtrlAltDestroy 09.26.2005 08:19 omg some of u people r so sad... get a life.. u argue about which console is better and start called each other stupid names... grow up... 111 -
For the Good Lord's Sake...Maleficus the Great 09.26.2005 09:50 You retards don't know when to stop, do you? I made a comment way back as #16 about how you should stick to the point, which, you may be surprised, is not about one console being better than the other, but is about the new developments with MGS4. You 360 and PS3 fanboys alike need to take #23's advice and shut up. I am sick and tired of you idiots talking about things you have no way of knowing.(such as how much better the graphics are on one system than the other) You people really need to get a life and shut up. Vivicious really needs to set you fags straight. 112 -
Itagaki... is my ninja leaderUnregistered - Ryu Hayabusa 09.26.2005 10:21 More MGS 4 Details... what were they again? I forgot what I read, it was scrolled so far up I can't remember? 113 -
LOL!Unregistered - Landa 09.26.2005 20:51 114 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.26.2005 22:59 It looks like Konami are finding the PS3 easy to develope for, considering its only going to be in developement a little over a year, now look at how long gears of war has been in production, 3yrs according to its developers. To the person who said the Cell chip doesnt have cache for its SPE's, your wrong, each SPE has 256KB of cache 256KB x 7 = 1.792MB. 115 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.26.2005 23:08 I'll re-word the above I wrote: It looks like Konami are finding the PS3 easy to develope for, considering MGS4 is only going to be in developement a little over a year, now look at how long gears of war has been in production, 3yrs according to its developers. To the person who said the Cell chip doesnt have cache for its SPE's, your wrong, each SPE has 256KB of cache 256KB x 7 = 1.792MB alightly more then I see than the X360's 1MB cache. 116 -
ps3 and 360Unregistered - curious coward 09.27.2005 02:40 i keep hearing 360 is better than ps3 , ps3 is better than 360 which console is actually powerfuler could somebody give me a GOOD in depth specs reveiw of the two console if there is such a reveiw. thank you 117 -
To #103 concerning the RevolutionUnregistered - Truth 09.27.2005 03:34 Those aren't final specs like you said, in fact their not even specs at all. Nintendo has yet to release one bit of information on the internal workings of their Revolution. Take articles like this with a grain of salt man. Plus, Nintendo has stated multiple times that power and overall graphics are not a priority and that they want the Revolution to be cheap and cost effective. The stats you posted are on par, if not better that both the XBOX 360 and PS3... which would point to the Revolution being more expensive than a $399 pricetag. I don't see that as being feasible at all. Sorry. 118 -
360 vs. PS3Unregistered - Mickus 09.27.2005 08:40 I think the only way this argument will end is when both consoles have been released and ripped apart & benchmarked from a third party - and hopefully unbias, technical organisation. Only then will the truth be known... 119 -
Oh OH!!!Unregistered - QuietMan69 09.27.2005 09:33 http://www.zakzak.co.jp/top/2005_09/t2005092602.html looks like trouble brewing in the land of the rising sun 120 -
WHO CARESXBOX 360 and PS3 FAN 09.27.2005 10:47 Why is everyone fighting like kids. Who cares which system is faster, stronger, or better graphically. Even when all is said and done and the PS3 is better in some and not in others. I will buy what I buy and so will you, we'll both be happy no matter what. So why do you have to voice your opinion here, let the experts figure it out, if it really matters to you, only you will be concerned not me. 121 -
To # 116Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.27.2005 13:58 To answer your question in short, PS3 will be graphicaly more impressive, processor wise, its hard to say. The PS3's processor is very efficient at streaming data quickly with its 7 SPE's. The X360's 3 core Processor, looks like a harder design to utilise, I believe most developers if not all, are only useing 1 core, so early games may not have the best A.I, collision detection and/or phisycs to later games in its lifespan. The 10MB embeded DRAM which the X360's 3 core processor has direct access to, looks to be the only thing that may give X360 the advantage. PS3 has 256MB of GDDR3 @ 700MHz and 256MB of Rambus Ram @ 3.2GHz, both types can be shared for graphics or processing. The X360 has 512MB of GDDR3 @ 700Mhz, its safe to say PS3 wins for haveing quicker RAM. Without me actualy playing games on both systems, I cant realy give a true answer to the power of the processors, but graphics and RAM are clear winners for PS3. 122 -
#4Unregistered - Daddy 09.27.2005 14:36 Why the hell are you attacking me! I have not posted anything on this topic.........Geez at least you could give me a chance. Why would I even care about MGS. Not like it will be a big hit anyway, unless they put it XB360. 123 -
To # 122Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.27.2005 14:45 The game will be a big hit, no matter what system its on, so we can safely say PS3 has a big hit exclusive title coming to it. 124 -
WasaUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.27.2005 15:06 oh yeah it's on the 360 that mean the story will be better and the game play too.... Yeah right that's just what #4 ment, all the X-box fans are pissed because they don't get this game. "It's going to sux unless it's on the 360" yeah ok then if that's true I can say right now that all x-box titles will blow chunks because they arn't on the PS3...No I can't because I don't know that I'm not a fortune teller. You X-box fans have been talk to miss Cleo to much. What is she some X-box prophesy person? That's all I have to say in accordance with the prophesy 125 -
Wow Settle down peopleUnregistered - Punk Street 09.27.2005 18:13 I'm sure all three systems will be good, and I'm not a fanboy or anything but I happen to respect kojima because he makes great games, And probably new game developers will jump on the new consoles.If Sega makes a continuation to shinobi, those bastards need to change the battle system I mean it was an average and repetive when I played it. Honestly I hope valve makes more games for the next gen consoles because Half life 1 and 2 kicked butt. Sega has great arcade games but they need to revolutionize they're arcade style games because when I played in the arcades in the 90's that was great experience. I hope Fighting Vipers makes a come back because that has to be the origin for breaking a opponent through an wall in a fighting game, I hope more fighting games come out because online fighting tournaments would be just like the arcade experience. The way I see it everyone wins with the next gen consoles. 126 -
GamesUnregistered - Triggz 09.27.2005 19:42 I remember a time when people played games for fun and I think some of you guys are taking this out of hand, for starters all the ps3 fanboys need to listen to #4 because Ignoring the xbox fanboys will be less of annoyance. It seems no ones really talking about the games because of the flamming, also I think it's wise for Sony and Nintendo to wait till next year because it gives the developers time to get adjusted to the hardware. Also they both seem to be stepping up, Sony's letting developers use two prototype evaluation systems so developers can accurately gauge how their games will perform on the ps3 console. The Nintendos Revolution controller seems odd even though it looks like a remote, I would like to see SNK make more fighting games besides king of the fighters and samurai showdown because they released alot of fighting games on the neo geo. 127 -
quietman69 should just stay quiet!Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.27.2005 21:49 to #119, its bloody writen in japanese cant understand a damn thing!,next time post up something more useful or just keep it to yourself. 128 -
KojimaUnregistered - Up 09.28.2005 08:34 Well if kojima likes french and american comic books I guess that's probably how he came up with metal gear solid, when he produces another game or if he plans to make another game it'll probably be creative. 129 -
Unregistered - Up 09.28.2005 08:58 I meant to say a new game. 130 -
#127Unregistered - QuietMan69 09.28.2005 09:28 Here is the summary, I read an interesting article on the next gen game console battle from a Japanese newspaper. The article interviewed numerous Japanese game developers and their opinions on the upcoming console wars. -------------------------------------------------------- Some people from the industry questioned whether Kutaragi has the right vision, saying "Kutaragi has unwavering belief that evolution of the game console is the only way to expand the market, I wonder if that will truly gather support from the game fans and win the battle." Sony is touting the catch phrase "Don't stop the evolution", believing strongly that it will lead to big victory. Another person from the Japanese industry commented that "To many devlopers it's nothing but a nightmare". The reason for the nightmare is the the rising cost of developing the games. With starting investment costs for developing for PS3 rising to around $20 million, many developers are looking toward Xbox 360 instead. "In the (Japanese) game industry, many people are losing trust in Kutaragi's non-stop pursue of this evolution", "people are leaving PS3 at a rate worse than Nintendo's Game Cube era". -------------------------------------------------------- The article goes on about how some compared PS3 to a Mac, saying it is more superior and expensive, while they campare Xbox360 to windows saying it is cheaper and stable. First of all, any article that says Windows is "cheaper AND MORE stable" leaves me to question the journalistic intergrity and accuracy of the information. And who knows, maybe these so called "people from the industry" are spies planted by MS to talk badly about Sony. But still I was surprised to see this from an average newpaper in Japan. I was surprised because Sony, who seemed invincible in the Japanese game industry is showing that it does not have a strangle hold on the industry after all. Back in the days of Xbox1, there was very little coverage on Xbox in Japan and most people here doubted that Xbox would even survive to see the day of an Xbox2. Today? I think consumers are paying more attention to Xbox 360, much more than xbox1. It seems that below the surface, game developers here are also paying much more attention to MS's machine. Like a lot of developers here, I am curiously waiting to see the outcome of the consoles over the next year. PS3_hitosuji BTW, I dunno about the so called fanboys? but having 3 game consoles doing strong in the industry and each owning its own share of unique consumer base can only be good for the industry and consumers overall. Don't understnad why so many people bicker over consoles... 131 -
Wait and SeeUnregistered - Punk Street 09.28.2005 15:18 I don't know about this console war thing, but if Sony, microsoft, and Nintendo play their cards right with good launch titles I guess everything will be fine. 132 -
OKUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.28.2005 17:43 YOU GUYS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PS3 AND XBOX 360 UNTIL YOU LOOK AT THIS LINK. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html 133 -
Hmmm.....Nodieza 09.28.2005 18:08 #132 You are a retard and that is putting it lightly, I DARE you to quote the opening paragraphs that IGN wrote. But since you are a retard I can't count on you to do even that, so I'll do it for you: "We decided to put this Microsoft-provided information up undigested. Thus, enclosed is a Microsoft-made comparitive analysis. We have not altered, added, or tinkered with the data. We have not interpreted the specs. We have cut and pasted this information from the email into our site and formatted it. Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info, and we're not endorsing it, just printing their version. There is a difference." Notice the line that says "Microsoft has clearly slanted this info" also note this was back at e3 and the dev kits were just being released... hmm I smell bullshit! Forgive my being so straightfoward but somebody had to do it. Peace! 134 -
when is.....Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.28.2005 20:52 when the hell is this place gonna get any f***ing news god 135 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.29.2005 08:25 BLU RAY IS POINTLESS AND JUST ONE OF THE MANY THINGS SONY IS THROWING IN TO MAKE THE PS3 SEEM NEXT GEN. YOUR GOING TO END UP PAYING 500-600 to get the ps3, hard drive, and other accesories. PS3 people will suffer the bad choice of getting blu ray and blue tooth. Both seem cool and revolutionary but they don't offer anything better to the consumer but a futuristic title. Who cares if you may have to switch a hd dvd disk, it's still way cheaper. PS3 is not worth a couple hundred more for their small increase in performance. 136 -
Hey shut the fuck off daddy u suck!!Unregistered - Avril Lavigne 09.29.2005 13:48 mothafucka look at this u assholes 362 361 ooops..360 fanboys u really suck and ur console is too classical check this out ps3 is 7 months away anlook at the number of games.... http://www.ps3portal.com/?view=games Its even more than those on 360 thats gonna be launched with the next month... and please we dont need any more kids around here(xtoy fanbois)... 137 -
Who are you?Unregistered - PS3Player 09.30.2005 16:26 I mean common, that guy who posted that 360 IGN link is stupid he just read a few lines from the article and start running around like a crazy little bitch" Hey look the 360 is better than the PS3" Common, shut the fuck up and take your time to read the article, i don't even know why people like you play videogames, i mean for real man, no doubt you're a 360 lover because if you ever were a Sony lover, i would stop playing videogames. 138 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.01.2005 00:25 Alright first off realize that ps3 is not cheap or equivilant to the 360. As rumored and somewhat proven the console, controller, and cables/accessories will be around 400 dollars, no hard drive, no headset. Ok then we have it's counterpart from Micrsoft that includes all that ps3 does plus what I said it didn't. The hard drive that sony will not have is going to cost +80-100, and that's for the majority of serious and mediocre players. And as suspected the ps3 will have little difference in graphical improvement and general performance for their more expensive console. Sony online will be blown out of the water by xbox 360. I will admit an almost definate graphics superiority from sony but it is not worth the 100 more dollars. Also when sony is clearly beaten in other console areas. Also what kind of games could the ps3 offer americans but MGS4 and sports games. Before you choose which console make sure you weigh which games would be the best for you because the graphics difference will be almost unnoticable. PLEASE BEFORE BUYING TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HITCH YOUR WAGON TO THE BEST COMPANY. 139 -
fuck you snake hatersUnregistered - snake will kick youre snake hating asses 10.01.2005 20:22 ya know what you stupid dumbass snake haters fuck you. you probably havnt even played the game, ITS FUCKING BETTER THAN HALO,KILLZONE, AND ALL THOSE OTHER GAMES.And if youre going to cuss out hideo konjami, WELL FUCK YOU! he is one of the best people on the earth cause he creates these games that kick ass, and one more thing, this goes out to all you snake haters, FFFFUUUUCCCCKKKKK YYYYOOOOOOUUUUUUU 140 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.02.2005 00:18 JAPANESE GAMES SUCK SO MUCH, hack and slash games that make you do combos is retarted and repetative. People who play those games should be ashamed of themself. Exspecially when outcast anti-social nerds who believe that wear japanese clothes. DONT GET THE PS3 JUST BECAUSE IT CAN PERFORM SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THE XBOX 360. XBOX 360 GAMES ARE ENOUGH REASON TO GET IT. 141 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.02.2005 00:25 BLU RAY OFFERS NO CONCEIVABLE BENEFIT WORTH THE COST....SONY IS AN IDIOT. WHO CARES IF YOU CAN STORE 3-2 TIMES MORE INFORMATION ON BLU RAY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO PUT 4 GAMES ON ONE BLU RAY DISC. YOU GUYS DON'T LOOK AT THE USEFULLNESS FACTOR JUST THINK THAT SONY WILL LEAD YOU TO THE TOP WITH EXPENSIVE PARTS, BUT WILL ONLY JACK OF THE PRICE. 142 -
to #140Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.02.2005 08:49 so wat gamesd do you play then ??? 143 -
ConvertionUnregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 19:46 Long live Sony, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the PS3, is belief in reality.Long live Sony, loyalty to the end. 144 -
PAUL CERULA 10.03.2005 20:27 Having loyalty to a company, like Sony, is as dumb as being a trusting German citizen during the 1930-40s. Think about let yourself experience new products instead of blindly following Sony because you used their products before. This is more prevalent with Nintendo outcasts. And previous writer you crack me up say loyalty to the end. 145 -
fuk offUnregistered - snake 10.04.2005 00:44 i wood like to just say fuk x box it sucks look at the controler any way u have a problem wit snake then fuk u msg is 1 of the best games ever made u cant beet the story line if if u have any thing to say about the game play it and ull ull understand y i was glued to msg till i beat evry thing in the game the only thing that can touch mgs is the dmc series other than that fuk x box 146 -
PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 10:52 GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND REALIZE THAT KEN DIDN'T CONFIRM MGS4 WASN'T PRE-RENDERED. Sony has always over promised, pre-rendered, and witheld information that would deny their pre-rendering. I bring up what Ken Kootchie didn't and said at the MGS4 trailer. Tell me why wouldn't the most anticipated game for the ps3 be confirmed that it wasn't pre-rendered? Just make consumers assume that it wasn't. The reason is to make ps3 enthusiats to go along like sheep not taking into account Sony's history. This is truly one of the most basic and manipulating marketing strategies. Ps3 withholds important information against pre-rendering to let consumers be none the wiser. 147 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 14:11 Long live Sony, loyalty to the end as time draws near, the non-believers shall believe again for they will be in disbelief when the box fall and the bomb hits,succumb by shame, they shall return to claim loyalty to Sony, loyalty to the PS3.This is no fairy tale. 148 -
Vivicious 10.05.2005 10:31 Spartan, get real and understand this game was shown in realtime. Especially now, it shouldn't be that hard to believe. Why? Because it's by far not the most impressive game out there when it comes to graphics. Games like WarDevil and Too Human greatly surpass it, and games like GoW and Mass Effect are on par with it (at least). If those X360 games are rendered with the ingame engine, why wouldn't it be possible for MGS 4 to be the same? It sounds awfully biased to say otherwise, at least until we get news proving Hideo right/wrong. Most of the people here really need to get out and about or something, or at least finish grade school before posting here. The amount of profanity filled, content lacking posts is incredible. All biased kids that have nothing better to do I guess. 149 -
woopty f'n dooUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.05.2005 19:54 this games sucks, unless your g@y then you probably like to fantasize about ramin snakes shiny asssss,it looks like he's a f'n fossilised chip "n" dales dancer. what a f'n joke, you mgs fans must be flammin. 150 -
XBOX IS A BOX SLINTER CELL SUKS DIKUnregistered - SNAKE 10.06.2005 18:41 SLPINTER CELL SUKS DIK IT CANT EVEN TOUCH SNAKE IT SUKS SO MUTCH THEY DEFENENTLY GOT ALL THERE IDEAS OFF OF MGS IF U DIDNT EVEN PLAY THE GAME THEN DONT TALK FUK X BOX / XBOX BILL GATES AND ALL X BOX GAMES BESIDES HALO CAN SUK DIK 151 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.06.2005 19:31 A MUST READ> THIS IS A GREAT ARTICLE> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm 152 -
PAUL CERULA 10.16.2005 23:15 THE RESPONSE FROM SONY SHEEP IS AMAZING. SONY KEEPS THEIR CUSTOMERS THROUGH HIGH EXPECTATIONS, VAGUE INFORMATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE GREAT PART OF NAIVE VIDEO GAME CONSUMERS. 153 -
XBOX = dog spermUnregistered - Big boss 10.20.2005 21:53 i have more respect for dog sperm than i do for xbox 360 cowards. 154 -
Unregistered - h 10.28.2005 22:10 http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=DIRRTYDOGG 155 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 18:58 I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible. 156 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 18:59 I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible. 157 -
PAUL CERULA 10.31.2005 21:47 156 and 157 isn't the real spartan, just a forum pu$y with a similar name to mine 158 -
Unregistered - scott 11.02.2005 18:32 I cant wait for ps3. ps3 will leave xbox in the stone age again!!! Me i have every mgs game out there and i cant wait to get on hands on mgs4!!! thank you Add Comment |
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