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16 Sep 2005 05:48 | Webmaster | Playstation 3
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The 2005 Tokyo Game Show just started a few hours ago and the highly anticipated trailer for Metal Gear Solid 4 is now playing at the Konami booth. You are not prepared for what you are just going to see, trust me! The game is subtitled Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots and will feature much more intense action than any previous MGS game, but enough with the talking just watch the trailer and see for your self.

Click here to download the trailer
   - Forget pre-rendered stuff! This is all real-time baby!

Note:
 Konami never said that this was gameplay footage, but a trailer rendered in real-time. MGS games have always used cinematic sequences that are rendered in real-time using the in-game engine.

Update: If you still think that this trailer was CGI check out http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656

Apparently, MGS 4 sees Kojima and his uber-talented team take on the task of 'creating inner qualities' to the unfolding gameplay. Kojima explains that this aspect is "unseen and establishes the presence only through time and the volition of the player. This will pave the way forward to a revolutionary change that will lead us away from past concepts based on 'realism' as we move towards the 'natural'". We can't say we entirely understand what all that means, but as always with Kojima's ideas, it's an intriguing concept. Source : CVG

Update: More info on MGS4

Kojima Productions:
"Unseen" could be described as the inner aspect. For instance, if one were to talk about realistic graphics in the gaming industry, he or she would be referring to an image that is photograph-like. That, however, is reality from an external perspective and does not necessarily take into account the inner aspect. In the past, buildings in games were similar to those found on movie or stage sets and were merely pictures or photographs of wall-material pasted on the surface of a polygon model. The characters created on infinitesimally thin boards were also devoid of any signs of inner flesh, blood, or heart.

With next-generation hardware, Hideo Kojima intends to undertake the task of creating the inner qualities of these elements. When objects break, the sound generated from the breakage differs according to the weight and hardness of the object, and the content of the objects becomes exposed. When a character sustains an injury, not only would he experience physical change, but his physical agony would inevitably be accompanied by an emotional, sensory, and spiritual change. For instance, when the wind blows, there is a gradual shift in the configuration of the sand. When trees are burned to the ground, new seeds in the scorched earth sprout and bloom into flowers.

The inner aspect is unseen and establishes its presence only through time and the will of the player. This will pave the way toward a revolutionary change that will lead us away from the past concept based on "reality" towards the "natural."

The setting for Metal Gear Solid 4 (MGS4) is a time far beyond where MGS ends and MGS2 picks up.

The player once again takes on the form of Solid Snake and undertakes new missions.

In MGS and MGS2, the player snuck into man-made buildings, and in MGS3 the player tackled the natural landscape of the 1960's. What follows with MGS4 is a whole new concept in which the harshest infiltration missions will need to be performed in completely new situations.

In the first Metal Gear Solid title, Liquid Snake, who has the same genetic makeup as Solid Snake, takes over the advanced weapon system at Shadow Moses, an island located in the northern sea off of Alaska. He demands the release of the body of Big Boss by the US government in exchange for the nuclear weapon system, Metal Gear Rex. Solid Snake is sent on a solo mission to infiltrate the cold, deserted island to confront his brother, the other Snake.

In MGS2, Raiden, a new member of the Foxhound group, is sent on a solo mission to intercept the plans of the terrorist group who have built a fortress at Big Shell, the wastewater purification facility off the coast of New York. In the process of carrying out the mission, the existence of a powerful organization that has worked behind the scenes to aid the prosperous development of the American Republic gradually comes to light.

MGS3, the latest release, goes back to the Cold War era and tells the tale of the original Solid Snake. It vividly depicts the birth of Big Boss.

With the fourth installment of the MGS series, the storyline is once again set in the near future. The next-generation PlayStation 3 platform will be infiltrated by an all-star cast and loaded with shocking new scenerios. The secret behind winning the warfare of the next-gen is not found in any "place" but rather in "Sense."

Click here
visit the official MGS4 website.













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1 -
Unregistered - DieH@rd 09.16.2005 06:35
OMG! OMG! OMG!
great trailer, but i think there will be another trailer mgs4 at TGS. Kojima said that Raiden will appear in it...


2 -
Nodieza 09.16.2005 06:41
Sweet Jesus!!!... phew, I can sleep at night now. Thank you Kojima!!!! What more proof do we need?...

3 - interesting
Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 06:52
Looks great. I'd like to see how the game is actually played.

4 - solid snake Vs sam Fisher! CQC who would win
Unregistered - who? 09.16.2005 07:24
first of all I just got to get this of my chest OMG,HOLY CRAP BATMAN,WHAT THE F***,I JUST S*** MY PANTS!.well got that out of the way,and I now this is going to be off topic here but,who do you think would win in a CQC(close quarter combat,for all you noobs out there) out of snake and sam fisher form splinter cell,seeing as they are both very similar.they are both old, good with a combat knife,master's of stealth(hide'n'go seek),have pretty much the same build and it look's like they kinda wear the same suit.....so who do you think would win?

5 - Snake vs Sam
Unregistered - Fish Man 09.16.2005 07:59
I guess snake not because it's solid snake but because he fights friggen giant nucular mechs and the works. Sam has only gone against lackeys and some professinals.

6 - Sam would win
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 08:20
I think sam would win because he is sneakier. He would just hang down from the ceiling and snap snakes neck.

7 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 08:21
what a great trailer!!!But i really don´t want to see snake like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!So old!!!!!! I hope it´s not him

8 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 08:31
plz take that moustache out

9 - Boss???
Unregistered - Fish Man 09.16.2005 08:35
I think thats the boss because of the eye patch.

10 - Boooooooring
XBOX FAN 09.16.2005 08:56
Come on quit showing me these video's and show me ACTUAL game play.

11 - Metal Gear Mustache
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 09:00
Who wants a mustache ride.

12 - No Raiden!!!!
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 09:03
I still think kojima should take Raiden out NOW. What the hell is he thinking. That character allmost single handedly ruined Sons of Liberty, although with the stupid story it didn't really need any help from him. If Raiden has a big part in this one I am gonna sit this one out.

13 - This is it.
XBOX FAN 09.16.2005 09:26
There must only be a couple of good games for PS3. They keep showing this crap over and pver, oooh wow another screen shot. This site doesn't really have much meaningful news to report so they report anything that comes there way!

14 -
Unregistered - BigDong 09.16.2005 09:33
Great movie. Stonking visuals. Stonking sound. Agreed on the tash - it has to go !

Remember the Maddens Xbox360 showcase earlier in the year? Looked good then.
Not so sure now....

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000767058544/

(snigger)


15 - to the host
Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 09:37
"This game looks so freaking awesome that Sony fanboys are now going to invade every 360 forum out there just to rub it in."

It looks like our host is a fan boy which would explain why fanboyism is so rampant on this site. This trailer looks great but that is all it is. I hope the in game footage is this awesome but who will know until we actually see real gameplay.


16 - Silverback...
Unregistered - BogDong 09.16.2005 09:44
...'cos it's a Sony PS3 site run by PS fans for PS fans. That's why its called
PS3TODAY.COM. Spud.


17 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 09:44
haha snake is so old
and this stinks of a pre render
how can it be realtime when the final final final spec of he ps3
havent been finalised yet????
ps3 is roughly 2 years away (2007)
but if this pre render shit keeps you sonyboys happy who am i to stand in the way
when i see real time (ie some one actually controling the on screen action)
then i will get xcited.
remember killzone at e3?? every one said it was realtime, but after the fuss had died down it was leaked that it was a cg render intended to take the shine away from the 360. i am no fanboy , it just annoys me how so many people can be fooled
if sony said black was actually white and white was no longer white it was now red you would all go along with it and not question it


18 - hmmmm
Unregistered - someone whos does not wear rose tinted glasses. 09.16.2005 09:47
i'll believe it when i see it, sony the masters of smoke and mirrors.

19 - BogDong
Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 09:57
In case you hadn't figured it for yourself by now there is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. I you don't understand this already then it not worth explaining.

20 - BogDong
Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 09:58
In case you hadn't figured it for yourself by now there is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. If you don't understand this already then it not worth explaining.

21 - Nice
Unregistered - Scythe 09.16.2005 10:06
I'm a big PS fan but that looked nothing more amazing then Final Fantasy Cut scenes. How is that Real Time, Maybe I just don't understand but if it's real time I wana see some GAME PLAY! Not just the system playing for me, now if it goes straight from that to game play then great but they should have show that. To me that just looked like a cut scene to me, sorry PS fans but I was expecting more when they said in game I wanted to see it from someone playing it.

22 -
Unregistered - Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:13
This is actually more believably realtime than the scanned screens from a few days ago, in the hi-res screens it's more obvious that it's pretty feasable this is possible. I also don't get what the xbox fanboys are bitching about that this can't be done. It's on par with GoW, and especially WarDevil, so why wouldn't it be possible on the PS3?

23 - CGI rocks!
Unregistered - Ryu Hyabusa 09.16.2005 10:14
I love PS3! The game play of MGS4 is almost as good as Killzone 2... oh wait a second that was CGI... oops. I can't wait to get this game and... play by myself... maybe my mom will come watch me, 'cause no one else gives a fuck.
Muhahaha!


24 -
Unregistered - Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:26
How can you even think this is CGI? I don't get it.

25 - response to 4
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 10:30
I think that snake would probably win because he has more experience in that field than sam. I think MGS took place in the cold war so I think snake has more experience from it.

26 - to #18 & #19
Unregistered - BigDong 09.16.2005 10:31
Whatever.

I'm off to a few Xbox sites to spread the word in a fanboy stylee...

Let me see, there's:

ILikeXboxCosImGay.com
ILikeItupTheShitterFromBillGates.com
TheBillGatesAppreciationSocietyForNerdsGeeksAndHomos.com
and my favourite:
imonlybuyinganxbox360cositsoutfirst
butisuspectitstechnicallyinferiortothemarketleadersstunninglypowerfulconsole.com


27 - 10 Years Later
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 10:35
I say where someone said they hope that's not really Snake but it did say it's 10 Years later after Big Shell, wasn't Big Shell the MGS2 Game? It's been awhile, since I've played and MGS Game. If So then that Snake, OLD Snake looks pretty bad off. But I hope it's not true that he's old like that because if I play with him doing rolls and stuff he might break a hip. LOL j/k I liked the video just wish it was game play footage.

28 -
Unregistered - Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:36
Both the Xbox and PS fanboys are acting like morons. Come on people, this DOES look awesome (stares at Xbox fanboys) and it's not blowing anybody away, because GoW and WarDevil look at least just as good. (Stares at PS fanboys). Just get a life, and enjoy these trailers without bitching all the time.

29 - 26 = CHUMP
Unregistered - me 09.16.2005 10:38
spread what, that MGS4 looks inferior to GOW, ok have fun then. :]

30 - To Silverback
Webmaster 09.16.2005 10:41
I see how my comment is open for misinterpretation, my point was simply that this trailer is for sure gonna start a few heated discussions in message boards around the net. And I am a Sony fan alright, but not anymore than I am an Xbox fan. I play games on all consoles, I even have a Nintendo DS, and actually the Dreamcast is my favorite system of all times :)

31 -
Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:44
#30, Obviously, you definently weren't that far off ;-)

32 - revolution controller
Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 11:00
I for one am very impressed with potenial of the new Nintendo controller. Hopefully Sony will come up with a similar type of tech for games like this.

33 - To #16
Unregistered - Truth 09.16.2005 11:11
Yes, you're right, SONY is the undisputed king of smoke and mirrors... however this is a KONAMI game made by HIDEO KOJIMA. A THIRD PARTY game developer. So get your facts straight. And personally I think the game looks better than anything else out there right now, not to mention Kojima said he still has alot of power to work with as this is being developed on the near complete dev kits not the final PS3 hardware.

34 - to #33
Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 11:22
What exactly about this game do you think looks better than anything else out there? I think it looks great graphically but not better than other titles such as gears of war or war devil both of whom are very detailed. Regarding actual game play we know nothing. Please inform. I'm not saying other titles look better just on par with them.

35 - An insight.
Unregistered - Mickus 09.16.2005 11:44
Well, quite a nice insight to what to expect from MGS4. But nothing more. Me, like most peps wanna see it being played before going mental for it...

36 - Grubby little fingers
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 11:59
So #33, you think Sony has nothing at all to do with Metal Gear4? I think they have some kind of influence on Kojima.

37 - i can't wait but.....
Unregistered - mgs fan 09.16.2005 12:07
well i am excited about MGS 4, but i really am just waiting for metal gear solid 3: subsistence. that'll be sweetr. but nice trailer!

38 - It's Daddy time! It looks great but.........
Unregistered - Daddy 09.16.2005 12:09
It's not going to do well because it's going to be put on an inferior system. Think about it, who is going to play it. Older PiS3 fanboys are not going to pay $599 for a system then pay $75 for a game that could easily could run on the Xbox360. Your Mommies and Daddies aren't going to cover you guys this time either.Do you know what your Mommies are going to tell you? (In Mommy voice )"If you do well in English class and get something hire than a "C" then I will consider". You see your Momma knows that aint gonna happen ( I know this for a fact, studies prove PiS3 fanboys are not as Smart as Xbox fanboys) because PiS3 fanboys don't even know how to turn caps lock off. Anyway Moms will probably say " Honey gas prices are too high right now to afford such a thing, beside I need that money to buy crack". Putting MGS4 on PiS3 is like the Nintendo Revolution controllers..............just a bad idea.

39 - #38
Unregistered - spiderman 09.16.2005 12:20
lmao, sony fanboi's are dumber that is true, my friend is one and he still swears blind that GT4 is better than FORZA *sighs* also he says san-andreas is better on the POS2 how can they be so blind?

40 -
Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 12:21
I'm not sure I agree with you about Nintendo's controller. I think it could potentially, I'm not saying this generation necessarily, help to change the future of controllers. I am interested to see how it does. Just a note... please lay off the nasty comments they don't elevate you at all.

41 -
Vivicious 09.16.2005 12:22
LoL #38, not a single grain of truth in the entire post, but pretty funny :P

42 - lmao
Unregistered - #38 09.16.2005 12:33
wrong oh so wrong, but funny. i am in then ninth grade and i am taking 10th grade english. i have had nothing less than an "a" yet. lmao, that was entertaining, however.

43 - #42
Unregistered - batman 09.16.2005 12:46
nothing less than a A eh!! but still you use lower case for i.

44 - To Vivacious
Unregistered - Maleficus the Great 09.16.2005 12:46
You are pretty much the only person with intelligence who writes on this website. The xbox fanboys are in denial about how good the PS3 is going to be. I'm not saying the 360 is not going to be good, but the PS3 is going to have better games with better stories. I can't wait to see a Final Fantasy on the PS3.

45 - fanboys galore
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 12:51
all of you sony fanboys are such f u c k i n g p u s s y's
get a f*cking life!


46 - to #38
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 12:52
CAPS ON caps off, OMG! I know how to turn them on & off, but this can't be I'm a PS3 Fanboy....Assuming your Facts are true this should not be possible. But some how it is so if this proves your facts that PS Fanboys don't know how to turn off the caps then I guess EVERYTHING else you said must be False aswell.

Stupid X-botox fanboy go masterbate to you Halo pictures and shut up.


47 - yeah
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 13:23
I think the graphics is better that killzone.......what u ppl think?


48 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 13:24
I think the graphics is better that killzone.......what u ppl think?


49 - to #44
Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 13:36
Please define what "better" games means?

50 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 13:42
XBOX 360 looks amazing...got some great games in development that are gunna be awesome. PS3 again looks amazing and shows that its got the capability to leave the xbox 360 dead in the water in terms of graphics BUT Sony need to show people that its true by SHOWING PEOPLE PLAYING THE FUCKING GAMES.....sure they can dress them up to look amazing but everyone wants to see gameplay...if sony do that and it lives up to what they've stated then PS3 is going to revolutionize gaming. Fair play to microsoft they have created a monster of a console and i think sony underestimated them a bit. I personally wouldnt like to pick. Xbox 360 at the moment because of it proving how good it is and having some crazily good games. But if sony shock us soon with playable demos and show what it can really do then ps3 is the way forward in gaming. What does everyone think?

51 - Fuckin hell
Unregistered - PS3 FAN2 09.16.2005 13:50
Get the fuck out of here Xbox fans throw ur jealousy and then return to this site.U cant c the ps3 lead the way.Ur just jealous of the ps3 grafix.....

52 - daddy
Unregistered - egg n bacon 09.16.2005 13:55
daddy is gay hahahahaha ha "cough" "cough"

53 - Sorry
Unregistered - Maleficus the Great 09.16.2005 14:31
I am sorry, Vivicious. I accidently called you vivacious in a previous comment.
Haha! I just saw the mgs4 movie and it looks great.


54 -
Vivicious 09.16.2005 14:40
Np, though I'll take vivacious as well, as I am quite charming for example ;-) Didn't even think of my name bearing a resemblence to that word until now.

55 - What graphics
XBOX FAN 09.16.2005 14:51
Why is everyone fighting like little children? These graphics that everyone is talking about is just video's, it's not even actual gameplay until it is actually played on the machine, because they havn't been made yet!! Anyone can create a movie and take stills from it and call it actual fotage. So for people to get this mad over plain old video's is ridiculous. GROW UP!

56 - egg
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 15:00
egg


57 - I just don't understand...
Unregistered - Furious 09.16.2005 15:10
I'm extremely excited about the next generation consoles ALL of the consoles... I consider myself a hardcore gamer so I own all of the current generation consoles and plan to purchase the next batch of consoles. I viewed the GOW & the MGS 4 trailers, both are extremely impressive visually and I'm looking forward to eventually owning both titles. I don't understand why you message board geeks insist on bashing consoles in favor of another... Don't you idiots realize if we did not have variety and competition the videogame industry would suffer. The PS2 brought gaming to a larger older audience. The Xbox proved an American company could compete and pushed online gaming into the lime light. Also, you have Nintendo who focuses on bringing new inovative gaming experiences to the pubilic. Each manufacturer brings a unique important piece to the video game industry. If the Xbox did not exist we would more than likely have to wait until 2008 or longer for a new Sony console... If you want one company to win the war look at the Madden series and how they obtained an exclusive agreement with the NFL and the Next Gen Madden looks like shit & Madden 06 was not very impressive. Instead of bitching about the consoles concentrate on the software bitches...Think about it!

58 - joe
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 15:11
haha man that trialer freak me out, but nothing that that 360 can't handle, 360 can do the same thing, ps3 might be fast processor wise, but GPU WISE which always matter, 360 will rule in that category. ATI RULES OVER NVIDIA REMEMBER.

59 - it looks gud
Unregistered - neutral 09.16.2005 15:19
wassup again,,,here ya go again , going at it...MGS4 looks good but u cant compare it to GOW until u see actual footage...but i Sony if they dont have one cuz its too early for actual footage. The game do look promising, but i hope that robot thing doesnt follow u around all the timei n the game, it mite get annoying. but i will definately get this game, I love the MGS series. By the way, did ya hear the news...Tenchu 4 and Armored Core 4 is also coming to xbox360.

60 - mistake
Unregistered - neutral 09.16.2005 15:20
sorry i meant " i don't blame Sony if they dont have gameplay footage."

61 - Sorry
XBOX 360 and PS3 FAN 09.16.2005 15:40
I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with this game. Some sequals are good but I'm hoping that they come out with some NEW titles. Also does this site just post screen shots or is there any real news to report, or are they trying to hard to keep up with the xbox 360 site. Give me something to use!!

62 -
Nodieza 09.16.2005 16:01
Seems like I have to correct everyone, IT IS REAL TIME, real time rendering, no not on ps3 but on ps3 DEV KITS, which means the potential for the real game is ever HIGHER, KOJIMA DOESN'T LIE, it's real time. Go to IGN and watch the realtime demo of them playing the game Gundam, controller in hand and you'll see it looks EXACLY like the gundam trailer video proving all the videos shown back at e3 were VERY possible and now Kojima nailed the coffin by 100% proving it yet your all still in denial. xbox fans/fanboys quit your bitchin because it's annoying, Black and White is being shown right in front of your face, #38 shut up, your stupid, have you seen the pics for perfect dark? It looks like half life 2 with better lighting, go to psinext and read there article on "the real world comparison of xbox 360 and ps3" Maybe you'll wake up, and then we can have real discussions.

63 - Games
Unregistered - Fish Man 09.16.2005 16:07
Is their a way to filter out the Xbox fan boys anyways can't wait until this game comes out first Sony supports the little guys who start out like Rock Star when the ps came out and All mircosoft is doing is getting well known major Japanese developers.

Secondly I think sonys hasn't shown much of their titles because their recruiting lesser known dvelopers right now like SCE Sana Monica studios (God of War). Third I hope Double dragon comes back.


64 -
Unregistered - neutral 09.16.2005 16:50
sup, me again.i meant i want to see gameplay footage of MGS4, like they did with Gundam. But why all the hate on eachother,, Just enjoy all the pics and video. And why is everyoen talking bout graphics? especially psfans? u know GTA graphics was wack compare to everthing else, but the game was gud, so give PDZ a chance! which imma get too. I espect the ps3 to be a lil more powerful then 360, bt its nto gonna be a huge leap..just enjoy both consoles man!!

65 - PiS3 sux, 360 rox
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 16:52
PiS3 sux, 360 rox

66 -
Vivicious 09.16.2005 16:56
Noone can have real discussions with you Nodieza, if you're going to believe articles coming from psinext.

67 - Big Business
Unregistered - Bored 09.16.2005 17:35
Honestly you all need to get over your petty little rivalries. Both Sony and Microsoft are BUSINESSES which means they exist to generate profits for their SHAREHOLDERS. Neither of them considers gaming as any more than a revenue stream and to buy into the dream that they are in it for the love of the medium shows a staggering level of naivety.

The facts of the current round of pre launch slanging as I see them are:-

(1)Microsoft comes out with the 360 and catches Sony unawares.

(2)Sony doesn't like not being the centre of attention and reverts to a tried and tested trick. Giving people what they want the next generation to be rather than what it actually is. Remember all that Dreamcast is no better than Playstation 1.5 talk - sound familiar? Hell if you all think the PS3 will be a quantum leap in all factors of game play you won't be rushing out to buy 360's will you.

(3)Microsoft carries on with its own strategy regardless of actually showing the public what it has - honesty is often the best policy.

At the end of the day looking at everything that has been released into the public domain I believe that of the two Microsoft has the clearer strategy regarding this generation but looking at the tribalism that exists in the culture it is beyond even their marketing spend to erode Sony's dominance by a significant factor.

Based on this I expect another round of bickering prior to the launch of the Xbox3 and PS4.


68 -
Vivicious 09.16.2005 18:20
#67, trust me, you'll never get across to most of the troublemakers here :P

69 - 11/22/05
Unregistered - 360 09.16.2005 18:21
LOL! Snake has grey hair, thats fucked up. They have the many sequels lol.
Dont get me wrong ps3 will serve its purpose for the fans no doubt, but personally it's all about that 360 this holiday. (YEAAHHHHHH!!). Hey, ps3 fans you'll have your change (only God know's when)2007, 2008, who know's. By the time the ps3 does hit, the developers will have a better hold on the 360 and the games'll get better and better and better. I cant wait. Sony is all talk.
They will have a great system, but not the one you were promised.


70 - I've tried, but cant.
Unregistered - PS3 09.16.2005 18:40
I've tried, but I just can't do it. I cannot for the love it get excited for the ps3. I was looking forward to it the whole time I had my ps2. Now it's like I have no interest in it, none what so ever. I think I may become interested in it once my friends have'em and i'm playing with them. As it stand everytime i see an image of the 360 my I get a very good feeling. I think thats my instinct letting me know which one to get. I'm definitely getting the 360. I'm not putting down the ps3 at all i'm sure it'll do well and will be embraced by many world wide. I just have a real strong gut instinct about the 360.


71 - STOP YOUR BITCHING!!!!!!!!!!
Unregistered - SGT. PLAYSTAION 360 09.16.2005 20:06
To all you sad ass, faggot ass, lame ass PS3 fan bitches! You whine and you cry about ps3 " being better " knowin damn well you will be crying to mommy and daddy a thousand and why reasons why they should pre order your xbox 360's. That's right fucks I said it. You want a 360 because its about video games not the name sony. Sony will put out the same thing microsoft is putting out. A video game system. You wouldnt really give a fuck it's sony. You want to play games. Right now sony doesnt even know exactly when the ps3 is slated for. You love games that much (I know you do) you cant wait that long on sony. Your little nasty ass friends will be telling you they'll wait, when they go home they'll be so glad momma and daddy got them a 360, and you'll be wishing you had one too. NO! not cause its microsoft, but because its a video games system. You love video games. You would play need for speed or madden or your favorite games on any system available to you sony or microsoft it does not matter to you. You know it, so calm the fuck down. Stop fucking acting like you are so damn superior and all this self righteous bull shit. Get back to loving games and enjoying them no matter what system their on. You little peices of shit fragments. You cant even fucking barely spell playstation 3 or xbox 360 and have the nerve to talk shit. Little spoiled bitches. Stiff up that lip and go enjoy gaming as its meant to be enjoyed you little dumb fucks!!!!!!


72 - Its just graphics...
Unregistered - Anonymous 09.16.2005 20:30
I think it's kinda sad that everyones arguing over what system has better graphics. If you play games because they look good, then you shouldn't be playing them at all.

73 - ^ take a Laxitive man and let that shit out
Unregistered - No one 09.16.2005 20:35
I'm sorry was anyone else hearing the crys of a X-box Fanboy just a little while ago?

74 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Pimp 09.16.2005 20:39
I dont think he was cryin or a fan boy, he was actually tellin the truth. It dont matter what system a game is on. It's about lovin games period no matter if its on a microsoft or sony system. That's real. Look at his name, it includes both company's I think he needs to breathe a little tho.
woooooo sahhhhhh


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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 21:03
It's Metal Gear whiners. It's known to have good gameplay. Sheesh.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 21:04
Oh by the way, the trailer seems to have been removed.

77 - Not removed...
Unregistered - Got Next Admin 09.16.2005 21:37
We changed the filename. Also put in hotlink protection... since PS3 Today didn't ask if they could link. We don't like to limit hotlinking, but we also don't like excessive bandwidth charges.

If you want to see the trailer, go directly to http://www.got-next.com. If PS3 Today would like to host the file, they should email Chris, the EiC (email link found on site). I'm not sure we can give permission to host it or not, since we didn't make it.

Oh, and it's not filmed by us. That should be evident by the non-GN logo at the start of the trailer.


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Unregistered - MGS Fan 09.16.2005 22:48
Just a reminder...but when has mgs ever used prerendered visuals?

and quit complaining about the systems...my god. Wait until one of them actually comes out. Buy it if you want. Who cares what others are going to get. Do what you want. Its so annoying.

And MGS4 is going to kick ass anyways. I dont care what the graphics look like...they are just great games all around. So quit your bitching.


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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 23:30
This must be a joke. Over 100 titles anounced for the ps3 at TGS, but non of them are playable. How can this be real? If this is real, it's still not that impressive.

80 - Dont be Ridiculous
Unregistered - lildaddy 09.17.2005 00:18
Hey I've seen the GOW trailer, War Devil trailer, and now the MGS4 trailer and honestly they all look great. We can argue all day about which is better or whether its prerendered, realtime or not (although most reasonable gamers know that the MSG4 is obviously CGI or some kind of prerendered movie) but my point is that whether you are an XBOX fan or a PS3 fan, both systems will be good...the games will be the deciding factor and of course online play will be a key element for next gen games. If Sony online service can compete with XBOX live this time around, then I don't think there will be a clear winner, except for all of us the CONSUMER......competition is good, Enjoy it! One note though, as a videogame fan, Im truly dissapointed with the new Revolution controller, WTF!???, change is not always good, please dont do it Nintendo!

81 - Not Boss
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 00:36
Back to the staement made about the person being boss it cant Big Boss lost his other eye!!!!!!!!!


82 - Nice but not really what the game will be like.
Unregistered - godenver 09.17.2005 01:16
Yeah the trailer is kick ass, but it is all animation. If it were the real game I would be the first one in line to buy it. I can't wait now for screenshots of the actual game.

83 - Tisk tisk
Nodieza 09.17.2005 01:42
#66 What the hell do you mean no one will have a discussion with me if I believe the articles on psinext? My best friend Daniel happens to work for them and writes great articles, they surely know all of the technical shit that everyone here couldn't grasp there minds around, they are very unbiased unlike ppl here, and yet again they KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT and they don't have stupid xbox or ps3 pwsorzed your azz, all over there forums. So please think next time before you speak and maybe when you can tell me the hit/miss cycle of 360's multicore processor then we can have a little chit chat again. P.S. obviously it's snake, Otacon knows him and is obviously friends with him in the trailer, and nothing is wrong with snakes eye, it's just a device, gps, etc I am certain, modern army soldiers use them nowadays so surely Snake can too. #34 maybe when you see a high resolution trailer you'll understand that the game is running over 9000Xxxxx and your computer couldn't even begin to play nor could your monitor view such glorious video, don't compare it to gears of war, you must be blind if you don't think it looks better, computers can run Unreal engine computers can't run Mgs 4 engine guaranteed, didn't you see the lighting? the animations? all the shit flying in the air?... why do I waste my time....

84 - To #34
Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 02:33
I will admit, Gears of War and MGS4 are pretty tied in the graphical department. HOWEVER, the XBOX 360 is done. Games like Gears of War and Forza cannot look any better then they already do because the 360's been finalized as it's being released in what, November? On the other hand you have the PS3 dev kits which are still susbstanically less powerful then the final product. I believe they're running on a base 7800 GTX ( much less powerful than the RSX ) and only 256mb of RAM instead of the actual 512mb. So there's a huge amount of difference in what we're seeing and the final product Even Kojima confirmed this.

85 - BLAH ! BLAH ! BLAH !
Unregistered - FEDERICO CAJADE 09.17.2005 04:18
ok just read this please.ps3 will be a great system and i might end up getting one most likley i will but ps3 has sh*t to show XBOX 360 is the only one showing IN-GAME FOOTAGE ps3 only shows cinimatic scenes wich is pissin me off obviously it looks good its cinimatic show some in-game footage then we can talk but for now i already pre-orderd my 360 and im stickin to it.XBOX 360

86 - To #80
Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 05:55
"(although most reasonable gamers know that the MSG4 is obviously CGI or some kind of prerendered movie)" ---------- I laugh at your ignorance. Hideo Kojima has never used pre-rendered video in the MGS series. And has met or exceeded what he's shown in the previous iterations trailers. So, please don't even go there. This also brings me to the conclusion that you most likely didn't even watch the MGS4 trailer. If you did you would have noticed in the first 30 seconds something along the lines of a huge white FPS flashing on the screen followed by, "Forget Pre-rendered Stuff!" appears. Again, I laugh at you.

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Unregistered - sparco220 09.17.2005 06:17
OMG No!!! This game looks amazing, but please dont tell me you have to play as a fukkin 90 year old snake!!?? noooooooooooo! Those graphics though!! they were brilliant. Thats coming from an Xbox360 fan btw =) Thos graphics were jus amazing, i duno how to say it =P but i h8 snake. Why they make him an old man?? I reckon its gonna ruin it. But still, the game itself looks awesome!

88 - Games
Unregistered - Fish Man 09.17.2005 06:47
Most of the people who said that the games matter are right I mean why argue over systems.Plus the Xbox fans boys need to stop with the playstation sucks because thats ridicioulous the trailers in realtime. Oh #87 if you played or did play metal gear solid the twin snakes you'll know why he's old.



89 - sony have time on their side!
Unregistered - Concern Gamer 09.17.2005 07:30
For those people that keep saying that the PS3 have nothing to show interms of gameplay, obviously have'nt being paying much attention to whats being going on in the past 5 months,the reason MS have released in-game footage is because the XBOX 360 set to release soon,so they have to cater for as much potential customers as possible, by showing them what the system is capable of and what kind of games(and gameplay) they can expect form the XBOX 360.SONY on the other hand have been approaching the "war of the consoles"in a more layed back manner,unlike MS they have not yet announced their systems(PS3)release date giving them and their developers the luxury of time and also easing any unwanted pressure of rushing a project,as they say "time makes the wine".But also expect SONY to release more details on the ps3 and some real in-game footage in the coming weeks and espacialy just before the release of the XBOX 360(22nd of November),as they would want to stem the flow of sales MS makes by showing that the PS3 is just as powerfull if not powerfuller and can only get stronger and better with time.

90 - #86
Unregistered - lildaddy 09.17.2005 08:09
Come on brah, you can't be that brainwashed, that is cleary a prerendered, cinematic piece or whatever you might want to call but just don't call it a realtime playable demo. The trailer shown is nothing more than a cinematic piece, eye candy....look at how the camera is freely moving all over the place, thats because it showing cutscenes just like all MGS titles do, only better. I mean think logically for yourself, if you had a realtime playable demo why would you not show it off, oooh because that would KILL ANY DOUBT that it was realtime graphics and not just CGI, or PRERENDERED STUFF, instead I'll just tell you its not, and see if you believe it like a majic trick. Don't worry brah, don't piss yourself Kojima will make a badass MGS4, he obviously knows what the PS3 is capable of and it will be good in the end, its just not there yet. Yes I did see the trailer which if you watch closely to the footage and not just the words in the "first 30 seconds" only proves my point. If you beleive that Kojima is completely independent of Sony's pressure in this business then you are truly brainwashed. See unlike you Iam not brainwashed and Iam a fan of all the systems and I can clearly see that XBOX is definitely farther ahead of the ballgame, but at least I didn't call you ignorant.

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Unregistered - Concern Gamer 09.17.2005 10:02
you must'nt be able to read that well, I never said that was gameplay,if you did think that was gameplay you must really have a few lose screw's.all I was stating was the reason sony haven't shown any actual in-gameplay is because unlike MS their not releasing their system any time soon.I suggest you read my post again #89 BRAH!.

92 - DISGUSTING
Unregistered - PS3 FAN2 09.17.2005 10:12
DADDY UR THE MOST DISGUSTED XBOX FAN EVER TO BE BORN ON THIS PLANET.U KNOW SOMETHING UR NOTHING BUT AN ASS.XBOX WONT BE THAT MUCH SHIT BUT U FAN UAAAAH IM WORMITING ON U GUYS(DADDY)

93 - Concern gamer
Unregistered - Patrick 09.17.2005 10:50
#89. Once again you speak the truth and tell how it is. Its about time someone in here has some sense. And you say it without cursing every other word. Thanks.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 11:14
Just to let u guys know ...after the footage was shown..the developers manipulated the traler..changing the effects,light etc in realtime on the alpha kits..It was stated by many and kojima that its done in realtime..THIS brings me back to the unveiling of MGS2 back when people thought it was CGI..but what happen, kojima proved those fanboys wrong and it was all in realtime..get over it..this is konami where talking about..like the trailer said..4get prerendered stuff. this is the next gen gaming.. what do ya expect.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 12:22
NIce video looked cool but i dont see what the big deal is about cutscenes what your all jizzin in your pants about is something youll be wanting 2 skip 2 play the game wich we have no idea what will look like. But i'm sure it will look good.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 12:28
I think so far the only Grillstation 3 gameplay footage we've seen is need 4 speed since EA has stated the games will look the same 4 both systems

97 - In-Game for sure.
Unregistered - CPL 09.17.2005 13:32
MGS has never used "more detailed models" for its cut-scenes. Ever uploaded a custom camo in MGS3? Guess what, it shows-up as Snake's clothes in MGS3 in the cut scenes.

So, any sort of argument to the contrary is pointless. This is the equivelant of gameplay footage. Live with it.


98 - Real Time Rendering
Unregistered - Bored 09.17.2005 13:43
Anyone played Shenmue on the DC? On disc 4 there were some extras including various characters from the game talking about the in game features. The graphics on these characters were at the time amazing, and completely rendered in real time. You could rotate them around and change the light sources etc. The point is the characters in the game looked nothing like these due to the existence of a surrounding world, characters etc.

My point is without a game engine in place you can't take these cut scenes seriously on any system. I'm sure that the cut scenes in the final game where they can max out the hardware potential without having to carry out realtime calculations based on player input will be incredible on all next gen systems but once gameplay becomes a factor the graphics will have to be scaled back a factor. Think about it you see it on the current generation where hi res cut scenes are the norm with the detail dropping back a notch once the gameplay begins.

Remember holding a controller and manipulating light sources on a tech demo does not gameplay make.


99 - Games
Unregistered - Fish Man 09.17.2005 14:47
What I really want from the consoles is to bring some origianl games and sequels to old school games. Double Dragon and final fight for nintendo kicked ass in the day and Sega had streets of rage and fighting vipers.

Vector man would be nice to bring back and Battle arena toshiden and the original dynasty warriors was better than the sequels because it was a fighting game.

Their were so many good games I can think of in the day that were good like the good games right now. Oh Square Enix needs to bring back parasite eve and the crono trigger series and someone needs to bring final fight type games back they kicked ass.



100 - Truth
Unregistered - To #90 and #98 09.17.2005 17:42
Listen man ( #90 )... if they can at anytime stop the demo and rotate the camera to pan out, zoom in or fly around the map and then be able to change lighting effects and such on the fly is proof and debunks your clain of CGI. If you honesly think it's CGI then you're just being stupid. I'm beginning to think you're the brainwashed one and quite possibly a XBOX fanboy. To #98, of course by stopping the demo and showing it's real time doesn't show it's gameplay. But... for fucks sake, this is Metal Gear Solid and Hideo Kojima. When.? WHEN? When, do I ask you has he let us down in terms of gameplay. Ludacrious. It's like people are just finding the most assinine thinks to nit-pick about.

101 - To #90... ownt
Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 17:47
http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656 There's a link to Kojima proving the MGS4 demo was realtime. Please look up the facts before you try and speak them.

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Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:10
I believe the game can be played in 2 different ways, the standard view which we are all used to and first person view, like playing a first person shooter.
I havent looked at the video the author of this article posted, but if you have seen the extended version of the movie, you actualy see ingame footage right at the begining, through a soldiers eyes, until snake grabs the soldier, basicaly what you see in the movie, is the quality of graphics you will see in gameplay.
There is also a realtime movie, where they pan and go around snake, and change lighting effects, so any nah sayers out there better be prepared to eat their words, when this game gets released, its real and you better believe it.


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Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:27
Here's the extended movie http://www.jeux-france.com/ftp/Divers/Metal_Gear_Solid_4.wmv
I believe you can switch between viewpoints within the game at anytime (normal metalgear style/FPS style) The first person shooter style of camera will also be used in the upcomming MGS3 Subsistence.


104 - Summing it all up...
Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 18:34
Note: Konami never said that this was gameplay footage, but a trailer rendered in real-time. MGS games have always used cinematic sequences that are rendered in real-time using the in-game engine. ---- Ta-daaa! No one was saying this is gameplay footage so those trying to say it is are wrong. It's simply real-time cinematic footage being rendered by the PS3 dev kit. Which, I might add are currently not using the RSX GPU and are running on half ( 256mb ) the RAM the final PS3 will have. And to #103, I really hope we get an option to switch between full blown FPS and familiar MGS third person aspect on the fly. That would add alot to the gameplay in my view.

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Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:42
Kojima actualy mentioned it in an interview, being able to switch views in realtime anywhere in the game. Kojima said he gets camera sickness, with FPS cameras but he's testing it with MGS3 subsistence then putting it in MGS4.

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Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:54
here's the interview I was taliking about, http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html

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Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 19:44
Here's the shorter higher quality movie of MGS4 its about 30meg: http://xboxattitude.free.fr/videos/mgs4_tgs2005.wmv


108 - every
Unregistered - havoc 09.17.2005 21:18
In every mgs game when it goes to non game-play footage or a cut scene they use the same graphics as the actuall gameplay. So even in the footage you see when you first turn on a mgs game it's the same as how the game will look. It's similar to grand theft auto's cutescenes they look just like the game. More than likely the very first begining of the mgs4 trailer will be how the game will play.

109 - #92
Unregistered - lildaddy 09.17.2005 23:09
Whoa! Sticks and Stones..........usually when people get upset and start calling names, without making any valid point its because they don't like to hear the truth. Lets just be honest here, cutscences are cutscneces whether they take place before the game, in the middle of the game, or at the end, in some cases the cutscenes may still be considered realtime, but lets face it, if you're not physically playing the cutscence its all the same, every MGS title is full of them, and just like in all the previous MGS games and most all games for that matter the cutscenes are always a little sharper and crisper than the in-game playable graphics. Im not knocking MGS4, actually if you read all my comments, I keep saying that I know Kojima will make a great game, like all the previous titles, Im simply calling it what it is, but some people try to deny the truth, split hairs, so that they sound smart, "aahhh technically speaking if its running on the in-game engine then its still considered realtime...so Im right and you're wrong ha,ha!"....come on grow up if you are not physically playing whats being shown on the screen then its not truly realtime, so go ahead and use whatever terminology you like, be you can't get around that one fact. Lastly, I made the simple but true statement that XBOX was cleary farther ahead no duh?-they will launch in about 2 months, the point I was trying make is that Kojima has plenty of time to make MGS4 in-game playable graphics as good as what we saw, so why if you disagree with a PS3 fan, then you have to be an XBOX fanboy?, thats ridicolous because I own all 3 systems, and I'll probably at least buy a 360 and PS3. So I'm expecting a great game just like all the rest of the PS3 fans.


110 - #109
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 00:02
Sorry, still wrong. If you go back and actually do your homework you'd know that all PS2 MGS games have used the same graphics for both cutscenes and gameplay. I could only find one, ONE, instance where this little fact was debunked and that was on the Gamecube. In MGS: The Twin Snakes, the cutscenes were dropped from 60 fps, to 30 fps to make use of full scene anti-aliasing. Since the PS2 is incapable of full scene anti-aliasing this wouldn't be an option and therefore they'd have no reason or way of making the cutscenes any sharper or more detailed then they already were. Now, in the case of MGS4, could they have possibly spruced up the graphics slightly to make it more appealing since such little tricks like full scene anti-aliasing can be used? I don't know, and neither do you. However, based on Hideo Kojimas track record I don't think thats the case and what we've seen is only half, if not less, of what the PS3's capable of. As I'm sure I've mentioned before, the PS3 devkit which is currently being used to make the MGS4 trailer is only running off 256mb ( half of the final systems RAM ) and a Nvidia 7800 GTX graphics card which significantly less powerful that the final PS3's Nvidia RSX GPU.

111 - See the trailer in it's full glory!
Unregistered - Furious 09.18.2005 01:11
The direct feed is now posted on the metal gear site! !http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html!
This is truely the best footage I have seen for the next gen.
The only other trailer that compares is the Res.5 footage, but Capcom has not confirmed that the footage was in game. Personally I think the trailer is more impressive that the infamous Killzone trailer. Honestly I think the footage is more impressive than GOW I like the character design in MGS4 the characters do not look plastic... Just my 2 cents. Let the flamming begin!


112 - :D
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 01:27
Thanks for the heads up on the trailer man.

113 - My bad...
Unregistered - Furious 09.18.2005 01:32
I have to take back my original comment concerning Killzone I watched the trailer again after watching the MGS4 direct feed and it's still the most impressive trailer. I know the K2/K3 footage is not the in game engine, but the MGS4 footage shows the quality is possible. I doubt we will see it in the first batch of games, but eventually we will... I don't want to start the whole Killzone debate again, but that trailer is incredible. I just can't wait for the next batch of consoles we are in for a fun ride!!!

114 - #111
Unregistered - King J 09.18.2005 01:40
Whoopty do, the same cinematic touched up show piece we've already seen. You should be proud of yourself, you saved the world with that bit of information.

115 - Dumb ass
Furious 09.18.2005 01:43
The footage is a direct feed with better res.
Get a clue and don't waste space on the board with bullshit comments.
Don't hate appreciate...


116 - 110
Unregistered - Soulman 09.18.2005 01:47
Sorry #110 and have to agree with 109, the cutscences in all the previous MG's do look slightly better than the actual gameplay. I dont know why but they do.

117 - To #116
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 02:02
Could you please explain how the MGS cutscenes seemingly look magically better than actual gameplay? Does Kojima and Co. have some mysterious way of pulling high resolution textures out of their ass? Or rather, did they unlock some hidden hardware that allows for full scene anti-aliasing? It's just not possible. Perhaps in the Gamecube version like I stated above, but not in the PS2 versions, sorry. Unless someone can prove that the cutscenes look better with technical explanations then that's my stance on the matter.

118 - 117
Unregistered - Soulman 09.18.2005 02:09
Truth is it? or How about Blind!

119 - Wow...
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 02:15
Come up with that all by yourself? Pat yourself on the back, poke a gold sticker on your forehead and keep walking down the moron trail buddy. Anyways... yes, there are slight differences with the direct feed trailer compared to the one I'm sure everyone has seen the past few days. Odd. I wonder if this hints at two trailers? Overall I thought the trailer was wonderful. I just hope a higher resolution one is released that I can enjoy at - at least 1024 resolution.

120 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 02:15
#89. Once again you speak the truth i like when you stick your hard dick in my ass and tell me how it is. Its about time someone in here has some sense. And you say it without cursing every other word. Thanks baby.

121 - WTF
Furious 09.18.2005 02:22
What's the deal with 120 too bad we can't band idiots from posting...

122 - darn tech demo
Unregistered - me myself and I 09.18.2005 02:46
I want gameplay footage. Chrome Hounds gameplay looks better to me. I am not a fanboy, just a real boy. Sony has not shown gameplay footage yet. Do you know what that is? Well here you go.


http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/665/665181/vids_1.html


123 - ...
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 02:53
Well of course they're not going to show gameplay yet, the console is a little more than 8 months away. The XBOX 360 is what, 2 months away? They HAVE to show footage or else no one will but their system at launch. It's all about marketing. Wait untill E3 2006 or right before the PS3's launch for the explosion of gameplay.

124 - #123 gameplay?
Unregistered - me myself and i 09.18.2005 03:33
I don't care how far launch is away. If the PS3 is the big shit then they have gameplay footage. M$ showed gameplay on alpha kits why not Sony? Sony lies alot. But we will see when it hits the street. Still a good TECH DEMO and thats it. I will not pay $50-$70 for a tech demo. I like to play my games. Still might get a PS3. But I want gameplay now. I thought this is what TGS was about. Mybe Sony should have kept the PS3 away. The whole problem is they don't what us the see them as frauds untill we spend $. I hope I don't spend $300-$500 on a console that will not live up to the hype like PS2. That was such a graphical rip. And if you are a Sony fan you can't help but to be upset about this. Good perifs little support. I wanted my emotion engine to show emotion. I wanted toy story graphics, I got block headed GTA. And they redesigned to console, but did not support the HDD. Great online play was a promise also. I hope the PS3 lives up to the hype. If they don't will we trust them for PS4. I bet I won't burn me twice and I will not support you anymore.

125 - Dumbass label lovers
Unregistered - Mr Big 09.18.2005 03:56
When well you dumbass 360/PS3 fans learn that both these companies are in the business to make money, they both will claim that their system is superior to the other -thats business 101, just like Xbox and PS2 did, now look at both systems, X looks slighty better to me but theres no major difference, just depends on what games you want to play. Kojima would never do this or that, like you fucking know him personally don't be a dumbass Kojima and Sony are partners in crime, he'll say whatever they tell him to. and all of you lying PS3 faggs are going to get an 360 and all you lying Xbox punks are going to buy a PS3, unless of course the shit is too fucking high, who the hell does that guy think he is, you going to want to work hard for a PS3???? Fuck him, this is America, remember NEO GEO was suppose to be so great, but we are not going to kiss your ass for the shit!

126 - What the... ?
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 04:06
The PS2 was a graphical rip? Are you a gamer? I guess not, because if you were you'd now that graphics aren't anything. Gameplay always comes first, then graphics. Always has, always will be. You would also know that if you were a Playstation fan having to endure the taunts of laughter of fellow gamers at their inferior hardware. Yeah, my PS2 can't crank out the graphics of some computer in a box... so what? Why games are more fun than yours and I have more of a selection so in the long run I win. God of War, GTA, GT, MGS2/3, Smackdown!, and so many more plus the Playstation one archive of games lead to endless gaming. The PS2 has come a long way since Ridge Racer on it's launch and I'm happy I bought one. I have my friend if I wan't to play the XBOX or Gamecube so I win either way, however I don't need graphics to make my gaming experience any better. I still break out the NES, SNES and Sega Master System to play Metroid, Super Mario Brothers 3 and so on and so forth. So, like I said before. The XBOX 360 comes out November 22nd, they HAVE to show gameplay or else their system won't sell. Sony doesn't HAVE to show gameplay yet because they have a little over 8 months before their launch of the PS3. When they want to show gameplay, they'll show it. I'm not Sony, you're not Sony, no one knows their stragety by apparently it's working as they've sold over 200 million Playstation units and the hype for their machine is huge even though they haven't shown an ounce of gameplay footage. All I can say is deal with it for now... everyone else is. When it comes it'll come in a tidalwave and you'll be glad you waited.

127 - aaaah yes same actual gameplay at last,with sonic
Unregistered - Concern Gamer 09.18.2005 05:29
aaah for those that have been dieing to see an actual in-game demo of the ps3(aside from gundam) now you can at gamespot.com check out the news section.the game is sonic and it looks great so far and was running off a ps3 dev ket,so check it out!

128 - Real Time?
Unregistered - Mickus 09.18.2005 06:08

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000277059281/



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Unregistered - fuzzylogic 09.18.2005 06:57
I'd just like to say, Konami is not owned by Sony, whatever Konami come up with, or if Kojima has something to say about a console, they tell the truth. Whoever thinks the trailer to MGS4, is Sony's way of trying to fool people with the graphics, your idiots. Kojima has said some bad things about PS2, he or his company are not owned by Sony, they can say or do what they want in the gameing industry. The trailer for MGS4 uses the same in-game engine for cutscenes, people who dont believe that, dont believe Konami, not Sony. Every game I've seen made by Konami has delivered what they showed before its release, I have no doubt in my mind, that Konami will deliver the goods with MGS4.

130 - More Whining I See
Unregistered - CPL 09.18.2005 07:25
Yep, just as I expected, more cries of foul from peple who just don't "get it". Graphics aren't that important, gameplay is? Its MGS, its KNOWN for its incredible gameplay. Heck, I haven't played a game that Hideo Kojima was in involved in which had horrible gameplay Its not gameplay footage? As said over and over and over again, gameplay and cinematics are the exact same engine in the MGS series. The only reason they "seem" more impressive in a cinema is because the camera is much closer to the models than it normally would in the gameplay.

So, we have two facts. That IS what gameplay footage is going to look like, and there WILL be the same great gameplay that we've seen in the rest of the series. Anyone who says otherwise is just in denial.


131 - 128 and 129
Unregistered - King J 09.18.2005 07:30
128 that doesn't prove anything, why all the cryptic language "Kojima interacts with MGS4" either its realtime and you can play it or its not truly realtime. I don't care about the lighting and camera angles, I want to play what you are showing off, if they had something realtime that was playable Kojima would have shown it off but I agree with you #129 I think Konami and Kojima will deliver, Sony has a history of over promising, but not Kojima, I think what he's trying to do is show what MGS4 will look like when its all said and done.

132 - 128 and 129
Unregistered - King J 09.18.2005 07:30
128 that doesn't prove anything, why all the cryptic language "Kojima interacts with MGS4" either its realtime and you can play it or its not truly realtime. I don't care about the lighting and camera angles, I want to play what you are showing off, if they had something realtime that was playable Kojima would have shown it off but I agree with you #129 I think Konami and Kojima will deliver, Sony has a history of over promising, but not Kojima, I think what he's trying to do is show what MGS4 will look like when its all said and done.

133 - MGS4 last MGS game for Kojima
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 08:03
At the Tokyo game show, Kojima has said MGS4 will be the last MGS game he will work on, because he wants to do other stuff, I wonder if he means it this time? Read about it here http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/17/news_6133766.html

134 - #132
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 08:13
No, he's not showing us what is will look like, he's showing us what it DOES look like. Which is still substancially less than what the PS3 is capable of because it's running off the dev kits and not the final hardware. And to those saying Sony owns and dictates what Konami and Kojima say and do. I laugh at you. When the PS3 first came out, it was in fact Kojima who was one of the first to smash on it. How's that for loyalty?

135 - I think ....
Unregistered - Xbox Rocks 09.18.2005 10:56
It was a mighty nice "TRAILER"! No where in there did you see any gameplay. Sorry for not being that impressed, but cut scenes don't make me pop wood. You want that, show me game play with those exact same visuals.

Funny thing is, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter's Cut Scene looked even more impressive then this, but you never heard anything about it. When I see game play that resmebles anything close to Kameo (Probably the greatest water effects in any game of all time), GR:AW (Awesome In Game visuals with great gameplay), Project Gotham Racing 3 (Speechless), and any other 360 game that is playable.

If you want beautiful cut scenes, check out the 99 Nights trailer, because that trailer, makes MGS 4's trailer look like trash :)


136 - A Warning for all Mankind
Unregistered - Bored 09.18.2005 10:57
OK so everyone is agreed that the trailer is in fact real time. By this I mean running some next gen model's through a preprogrammed script thus allowing them to max out the system without worrying about the loads on processing power of AI, complex real time physics calculations etc.

We are also agreed that the MGS games so far (with the exception of Acid - my opinion don't hold it against me) have delivered in the gameplay department as well.

I'm quite excited about the whole of the next generation of consoles but can we please get a sense of perspective about things. No individual console is better than the games on it and no manufacturer has a monopoly on AAA titles.

Remember without competition in the video games market there is no incentive to move thing's forward. Don't wish too hard for one machine to fail because if it does you'll see how much your favourite brand really loves you, and to quote Dr. Zaius "you may not like what you find".



137 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 11:09
FPS. Forget Prerendered Stuff. So... are they saying that this is real time? Because if they are holy crap.

138 - Number 136 is right
Unregistered - Fish Man 09.18.2005 11:41
#136 is right man if a system dies all your favorite games are gone luckly Sega became a software company because Spartan total warrior is looking good, I have a feeling that Sega will make another console in the future.

I mean if Sony, Microsoft, and nintendo went out of business no one would be able to play their favorite games so to all you fanboys, it's not about the graphics it's about the developers who make them.

So stop all this console hating and crap because it's getting old and ridicoulus. Also I hope Double Dragon comes back because super double dragon ruled
on the Super Nintendo.


139 - Some people are just slow
Furious 09.18.2005 12:37
#135 it's obvious you are a XBox fanboy with nothing of value to add to this discussion. The whole point of the MGS4 demonstration was to show fans the actual graphics rendered by the game engine. The game is 8 to 12 months away, how can any sane person expect to see actual game play. The game play mechanics are still being developed idiots. What we saw is more than likely 5 - 10% completion of the project and I doubt that. I was personally impressed to see what the game engine can deliver and if you have a short memory people said the same shit about the MGS2 trailer for PS2 and Kojima delivered. You did state a good point with the XBox 360 footage the games used prerendered CG for their cutscenes (i.e. Ghost recon, 99 nights & DOA4) I personally think the approach is weak. If the developers really knew what they were doing they could provide the same level of graphics in game... I don't want to see gorgeous cutscenes and then actual game footage it makes me wish I was playing the cutscene and that's current generation console thinking... Also, remember the purpose of the cell processor is to handle physics and all in game AI etc. The graphics for MGS4 should not take a hit when the additional assets are added if the developers know how to harness the power of the console. I plan to own both the 360 and PS3, but you console fanboys need stop with the bullshit!

140 - To # 139
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 13:02
I agree with you on what you say, but when you see the soldier at the bigining of the trailer, I believe gameplay graphics will be just like that, if not better as the clip was of poor quality.

141 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 13:14
1st of all nobody has mentioned SPlinter Cell i personally think its has been a better game so far and most experts would agree (Chaos Theory reviews) But come on people we all know that when u watch these game advertisments the gameplay never looks that good. I know that if i was playing a game with a boring 9 minute cutscene in it i'd be pissed off. I'm sure this game will kick ass but i cant beleiev all u fanboys are so pumped about a movie. So u can all have fun dreaming about how the gameplay may look and looking at your Foreman grill pretending its your PS3. While i'll be palaying next gen games 4 almost a whole year b4 u just like all u fools who didnt buy a DReamcast because u were brainwashed by Sony. I bought 1 on 9/9/99 and never truned on my PS1 again so wake up fools and enjoy the nextgen when it starts.

142 -
Unregistered - fuzzylogic 09.18.2005 13:49
I'd just like to say, Konami has cute guys designing for them and unlike my hot tight ass is owned by Sony, whatever Konami come up with for raping me, or if Kojima has something to say about my sperm filled cock, they tell the truth. Whoever thinks the trailer to MGS4 wasnt sexy as hell, is Sony's way of trying to fool people with the graphics in reality we love gay sex, your idiots if you think we will turn straight bitches its gay pride for life. Kojima has said some bad things about PS2 like we're bit gay enough, he or his company are not aware of just how gay we are and thats even by Sonys standard we are the highest gay population in the world ps3 for life, they can say or do what they want but us being truly truly the gayiest in the gameing industry. The trailer for MGS4 uses the same in-game engine for cutscenes, but what people dont knw is that when its finished we'll have a special edition that shows him fucking a black guy similar to the hot coffee mod in gta, people who dont believe that, dont believe Konami is mounting up with strong gay influences, not just Sony. Every man I've seen or made love to was brought to me by Konami it has delivered what they showed before only better bigger dicks and balls for my jaws, i sucked so hard he just want to release down my throat, I have no doubt in my mind, that Konami will deliver a few more good good men via MGS4.
ps3 rules...and fucks my ass til i shit blood....ps3!!


143 - ...
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 14:05
You're the kind of shit stain on Earth that should have been dropped on your head and stepped on as soon as you were born fuzzylogic. No really, take a knife, jam it into your arm and cut down the length of your forearm and tell me what happens after you let yourself bleed out for an hour or so. And to Furious, I sincerely doubt this game will be coming out in a year, perhaps two is a more accurate number. And since this is supposedly Kojima last game I want him to put everything into it and not rush one bit, eh? Heh.

144 -
Unregistered - The naked truth about me 09.18.2005 14:54
You're the kind of man ive been looking for stained forever by your sweet cum on shirt that should have been dropped on my head and stepped on as soon as you were born i would have loved to just see you naked lying there so sexy and manly fuzzylogic. No really, take a your clothes off and pull out your huge cock and, jam it into my ass and yes its the length of my arm and tell me what happens after you let yourself cum sooooo hard over and over for about an hour or so. And the Furious love we'll make drives me wild baby, I sincerely doubt this is a game what we have is real its serious i will be coming out to see you again soon, perhaps two is a more accurate number, you know me and christopher. And since this is supposedly Kojima last game I want him to put everything into this relationship and not rush one bit thinking about you makes feel sooo sooo ummmm i cummmin, eh? Heh.

145 - You're a joke
Furious 09.18.2005 15:37
All I can do is laugh at your post you're a joke, bitch.
I think Truth was on the right path with his post, but instead of a knife just shoot yourself in the fucking face.
Go to some other message board and start shit...


146 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 19:11
i like playstation but their fans scare me

147 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 19:11
sorry *fanboys

148 - I love games
Unregistered - Anonymous Pimp 09.18.2005 19:23
Hey how do you guys figure one system is better than another? I think that we live in an age where its okay to have choices. Thats a wonderful thing. I can walk in a store and say hmmmm what do I want today xbox 360 or a ps3. I think thats hot. When most of you guys were playing the original ps. I was playing my n64. Then when the ps2 came out i got a chance to play the ps2 version of alot of games that i missed out on with the original ps. Now that the xbox 360 is here im excited because I would now have a chance to play the 360 version of alot of games that I missed out on with the original xbox. People these are exciting times for gaming. My 360 is pre ordered and paid for thats exciting to me. I knew that I would have a ps3 or an 360 just happens the 360 is out the gate first and im happy with that. I did the ps thing now im doing the xbox thing. I personally dont think that one is better than the other just as long as you have one or the other enjoy gaming.

149 - Read this
Unregistered - --------------- 09.18.2005 21:06
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/18/news_6133820.html

150 - Thanks...
Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 22:34
It was a good read, thanks again.

151 - Good article #149
Furious 09.18.2005 22:38
Based on the goals of team Kojima MGS4 should be one of the first truely next gen games. Since the focus is not just visually, but the entire gaming experience. It just sounds like we will not see this game until 2007, it should be worth the wait...


152 - For the #150
Unregistered - Ken Daou 09.19.2005 10:04
Hey u truth or lie whatever u think urself pretty much smart huh.. actually
MGS4 was running completely on a PS3 hardware not on dev-kits or any other shit
you mentioned before and thats the extreme power could PS3 process if thats real so measure every crapped word u say... by the way this is solid's snake father with the trailer and screenshots and thats not the actual solid snake that all of us know...


153 - to #92 and Truth
Maleficus the Great 09.19.2005 13:00
Yes, #92, daddy's comments had me "wormiting" too. Truth made a very good point about the gameplay being the most important aspect of a game. I agree with you on that point, and I also think that a game's story is equally important. Graphics are lower on the importance rating scale, so everyone who wastes my time with retardo arguments about whether it is a cutscene or not can go to hell.


154 - #152
Unregistered - Truth 09.19.2005 13:59
Oh really... the MGS4 demo was running off the final PS3 hardware? Interesting seeing as the RSX isn't even in silicon yet and Kojima has stated to various sources that it was runnin on the dev kit. Wait, let me show you proof because you can't seem to handle the concept. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/news_6133820.html that's the article to which it states, and I quote, "After showing the full eight-minute MGS4 trailer, director Kojima and an assistant began a real-time demonstration on a PS3 development kit featuring scenes from the preview.: Wait. What was that? "...on a PS3 development kit" Hah. And Kojima hasn't said anything about the Snake in the video aside from it's Snake. No other information so don't pretend like you know. Inlike some poeple I actually read up on the facts.

155 - Kojima is a genius
Maleficus the Great 09.19.2005 14:00
Thank you for telling people about that site, #149. Hideo Kojima is a true genius, and is probably the greatest video game visionary in the history of games. What he has done for video games is greater than what any one else has done. No, xbox fanboys, Bungie can't come close to his greatness. Square Soft/Enix are the only ones who can come close. No, GTA fans, that crappy franchise does not come close to the absolute greatness displayed by Kojima and his team. A game that is all about squeezing a gun's trigger to kill as many cops,pedestrians,grannies, or anything else cannot be considered a good game. It is just mindless killing, which is the only reason Rockstar is famous. Manhunt, which I am glad to say I have never come close to playing, is a disgusting affront to human society.(Don't try to defend it, saying that I never played it and therefore don't know what it's like. I've seen reviews of it and saw Cinematec.)

156 - This Movie is how people saw it, almost.
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.19.2005 18:55
Here's a better quality movie, although the gamma is set a little bright, no sound, full trailer about 100MB: http://www.bromagames.com/stuff/mgs4.avi


157 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.19.2005 18:56
Check this out: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/629/untitled11ra.jpg

158 - you can check this out too.....or not
Unregistered - who? 09.19.2005 20:29
you can also check out the long awaited DMC4 trailer at 1up.com....not as good as the MGS4 it like only 25 seconds long and doesnt really cater for the wait.

159 - #156 thanks good file
Furious 09.19.2005 21:32
Thanks for posting the file I think the larger screen allows you to notice more details in the trailer. The brightness is a little high but the large screen is a great way to view the trailer. Kojima's attention to detail is truely amazing. I know it's been said a thousand times, but I can't wait for this game! The DMC4 trailer was impressive visually, but too short and I'm not really a DMC fan perhaps part 4 may change my mind...

160 - Stop Hating
Furious 09.19.2005 21:33
Anyone who says the MGS4 footage is not CG quality is blind and a hater...

161 - @@##$%%
Unregistered - superman 09.20.2005 11:56
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU BUNCH OF BITCHIN WHORES, BOTH SYSTEMS WILL BE JUST AS GOOD AS EACH OTHER, SONY & M$ WILL HAVE GOOD FIRST PARTY GAMES FOR THEIR MACHINES, AS FOR ME I FAVOUR THE M$ VARIETY OF GAMES, DOES NOT MEAN XBOX IS BETTER THAN THE PS3 IT'S JUST MY CHOICE, AND BY THE WAY MGS4 STINKS OF ASS SPLINTER CELL WILL RAPE IT REPEATEDLY :]

162 - DAMNNNNN
Unregistered - DISCIPLE 09.20.2005 12:10
AYE YO THIS TRAILA WAS OFF THE FUCKIN CHAIN IF YOU DONT LIKE IT SUMINS WRONG WITCHA.
AND YOU KNOW THIS IS THE GAMES REAL GRPHICS CUZ THE MG SERIES HAS ALWAYS USED IN-GAME GRAPHICS FOR THEIR CUTSCENES.
SORRY X BOX BUT NOW MY WALLETS TUGGIN TWARDS THE PS3.


163 - Real??? So What
Unregistered - QuietMan69 09.20.2005 13:38
This is what is real about the PS. http://www.nitrolic.com/ps3controller1.php An all time favorite. Sing along if you care.

164 - man
Unregistered - havoc 09.20.2005 15:15
I rented mgs3 and beat the whole game it was so good I rented it again and beat the whole game. Then I rented splinter cell chaos theory from gamefly and sent it back the next day. The story doesn't pull you in like mgs games plus in mgs3 when you fight the bosses you really feel like your in a movie. Splinter cell is a good game but don't mention it around metal gear solid. I mean come on ms fanboys y'all know this game looks beautiful there shouldn't be any arguments. You will have your turn when halo 3 comes out.

165 - Hahahaha
Unregistered - Landa 09.20.2005 18:39
LOL! I just heard someone saying "Splinter Cell"??? What is that shit?

166 - ????
Unregistered - DISCIPLE 111 09.20.2005 22:01
YALL SUM DUMB GAYASS SONS OF BITCHES
YALL SOUND MO STUPID THAN A WILLIAM HUNG SONG, WHAT YALL
TALKIN BOUT HOW A GAME GONE RAPE ANOTHER GAME AND BY THE WAY THEY BOTH A MALE TYPE OF GAME, FUCKIN REDUNDANT BASTARDASS LIL BOYS. FUCK OFF WID THAT
KORNYNESS.


167 - TO #121
Unregistered - DISCIPLE 09.20.2005 22:10
AYE THE SITE CANT STOP FAGS FROM TYPIN, BUT THIS NIGGA CAN
I VE DONE TO ABOUT 6 OTHER PEOPLE, IF YA WANT FAG BOY ANONYMOUS COWARD TO STOP
JUST LET EM SAY SUMTHIN 2 ME.


168 - Something I've been thinking about...
Unregistered - Truth 09.21.2005 04:58
I doubt were seeing even 20% of what the PS3 is capable of, yes, that's right, including the MGS4 trailer as well. Just think about it. Right now the Cell is only running at 2.4GHz with 256MB of XDR RAM: Proof - http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635630/img_2928334.html

Keep in mind that is what was running the MGS4 trailer. Also note that the Cell chip is severly underclocked, lack of the RSX GPU ( most probably has a Nvidia 7800 GTX at the moment ) and only 256MB of RAM.

In a few months this is what will be released: http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635630/img_2928336.html , the main difference being the addition of 256MB more RAM.

And then sometime in December the "final reference tool" will be released to developers: http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635630/img_2928342.html , Basically the final rendition of the dev kit with all the middleware and full specs. This is the monster we and the developers are waiting for. The Cell chip is at it's max for the PS3 ( 3.2GHz, it's theoretical high is 4.2GHz but because mainly of heating issues it's been underclocked to 3.2GHz ) and the Nvidia 7800 GTX will be taken out to put in the RSX GPU.

So, this brings me to why I stated even a game like MGS4 is severly under the PS3's ultimate potential. This addresses peoples questions about poor textures and other graphical shortcomings I've been hearing of I hope?

The bottom line is we aint seen nothing yet folks and I would dare say that by E3 2006, MGS4, along with every other game shown thus far will look radically different... in a good way of course.

Your thoughts? [face_peace]


169 - ^^^^^^^^^
Unregistered - Mickus 09.21.2005 06:48
Damn right baby - it's just a taste of what's to come. All I know is this. MGS4 was running at 1080i (That's 1920 x 1080 resolution)interlaced @ 60 frames per second. With more to come from the processor & GFX card, 1080p should be achievable.

I know for a fact that GoW runs at 30 frames a second - and I'm going assume that's 720p (that's 1280x720 resolution). But also, in fairness that it's been noted that only one of the 3 cores is being utilised - so expect improvement in the frame rate department and/or resolution. On a person note, some improvement to the in game animation would go a miss as it look rather this gen than next gen.

Get saving for those 1080p HDTVs !!!


170 - Reply to 164
Unregistered - QuietMan69 09.21.2005 07:58
Funny, but I think Splintercell got the better ratings, you are just a fanboy
Splintercell has always been better than MGS


171 - To # 168
Unregistered - fuzzylogic 09.21.2005 08:04
If you believe the PS3 dev kit has only 256MB of ram, your a stupid fanboy and before you say **** off stupid Xbox fanboy, I'm not, I follow Sony. The 7800 isnt much different to RSX, both require ram and the PS3 design has 256MB for graphics, 256MB for system, are you saying then that the PS3 has half that for graphics and half that for system? why only use half? it doesnt make sense, unless Sony are debateing weather to use 256MB or 512MB in the PS3, do you see how stupid it sounds? whats wrong, cant Sony find an extra 256MB for each of the devkits to bring it upto 512MB? you can believe what you want, but I would take what you have read with a large pinch of salt if I were you.
(peace)


172 - To # 170
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.21.2005 08:15
Splinter cell was a boreing game, which I found I couldt be bothered to complete, it had nothing to make me want to finish the game, Splinter cell was trying to be an MGS game and failed. Every metal gear game I've played had me intrigued till the end, and left me gagging for more, MGS4 will defenately take the genre to the next level and no doubt Spliter cell will try to copy and fail yet again.

173 - to #171
Unregistered - Mickus 09.21.2005 08:31
He's probably refering to early specifications of the PS3 where 512 of XDR ram was going to used. However, the data transfer speed for 512 was HALF the speed of thw 256 ram. In the quest for finding a fine balance, Sony decided through-put was more desirable than capacity - epesically given the high data transfers of Blu-Ray - streaming the data is probably best solution.
As for RSX vs 7800 the core speed is 10% faster in the RSX & RSX will share the XDR main memory (which runs at an effect rate of 3.2 GHz) - so quite a bit of difference. A 30% processor speed increase ain't to be sniffed at either.


174 - to # 172
Unregistered - QuietMan69 09.21.2005 08:55
Not what the experts say, better ratings for splintercell = Fact, you can have your opinion tainted by your fanboy-ism

175 - snake!!!!!!!
Unregistered - i am not an ass hole 09.21.2005 09:07
good game , good graphic, good weapons ,but..........to bad snake it too old :(

176 - To #171
Unregistered - Truth 09.21.2005 10:50
That's exactly what I'm implying because that's what Sony said was in the development kits you dumb ass. The first dev kits were only running 256MB of GDDR RAM you can ask any development studio who recieved one. A few, like Konami recieved the betas which Sony has included another 256MB of Rambus XDR RAM. The Rambus RAM runs at 10x the speed of the GDDR RAM and has been specifically developed to make full use of the Cell processor along with the GDDR RAM and the RSX GPU.

Now, you saying the 7800 GTX isn't much different than the RSX shows me how much of a moron you are. Not only is the clock frequency of the RSX significantly higher than the 7800 GTX, but it has been made especially for the Cell meaning the data tranfer speeds between the GPU and the processor are at an unheard of 20-30GB/s. Nothing out there touches this kind of performance aside from the Xenos in the XBOX 360.

I stand by my statement. We ain't seen nothing yet.


177 -
Unregistered - The Truth 09.21.2005 16:05
MG4 looks promising I heard that Kojimas going to let you change between lst person and 3rd person view in the game I guess. Plus #174 who cares about ratings everyone has their different opinions on what games they like to play.

178 - PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Unregistered - GAMEFACE 09.22.2005 01:42
Im sick of all the excuses for why this looked liked that, why its realtime but not playable because of this or that....bottom line is we know MGS4 will be a great game, Kojima or Sony doesn't need a bunch of fanboys trying to explain technical issues for them, we all saw the trailer, it looked great and I expect the final product to be just as good. I happen to favor XBOX over the PS3 because Sony usually promises a lot more than what you get but I hope the MGS4 turns out great because it only pushes the XBOX titles like Splinter Cell to be even better the next time around and same for PS3 titles, in the end I just want HIGH QUALITY GAMES and I think 360 will deliver the majority of them.

179 - Well in that case....
Unregistered - Mickus 09.22.2005 04:26
...we'll 'put up' with the PS3, whereas you can.....

180 - sad #179
Unregistered - GAMEFACE 09.22.2005 05:07
WOW....that was really orginal, with interesting comments like that I guess I should have just ignored you like the rest of the world does. Lonely huh?

181 - to #180
Unregistered - Trevor 09.22.2005 06:16
Looks like you ask for that!
He's not as sad as you - coming onto a PS3 site just to stir it up.

NOW TO ALL XBOX FANNYBOYS - JUST FUCK OFF


182 - #178
Unregistered - Truth 09.22.2005 18:24
I was simply explaining my thoughts on why the MGS4 trailer is only showing us a fraction of what the PS3 is capable of. How does that make me a fanboy again? Did I state one comment on how this somehow makes the PS3 superior to the XBOX 360? Did I state somewhere that because of this the games would be better or the PS3 would sell more or something like that? Didn't think so.

So really, you're the one coming off as a fanboy for calling people fanboys for no apparent reason. And like the guy above me said, "FUCK OFF!"


183 - Oh no, the tough guy is going to kick my ass if I dont Fuck Off!
Unregistered - GAMFACE 09.22.2005 20:21
Yeah thats exactly right you have to be a fanboy if all you can do is say "Fuck OFF" if someone disagrees with you. I wasn't calling everyone on this site a fanboy, maybe I should have made that clear, my bad.....I think at least some of the posts made good points, including Truth, but even you have got to be sick of the dumbass ones that just say "PS3 rules, XBOX sucks" and I hate the ones from XBOX fans "XBOX rocks Fuck the Grillstation" oh really, thats very informative THANKS...yeah I understand that sites like this are just for individual opinions, so people are free to write whatever they like, just have a little imagination OK....make a point and then explain yourself, if we disagree then thats fine but a least express your idea to the reader, unless all you can think of is mindless shit like "Fuck off", but well I should expect some people to say anything when there sitting behind a computer, then everyones a big badass tough guy huh?

184 - #183
Unregistered - Truth 09.23.2005 02:26
If you were calling me a fanboy then the comment of "FUCK OFF" still stands, if not, then I apologize for jumping the gun as it sounded like you were calling me out for trying to explain my opinion on the PS3 which was in no way, shape or form a fanboy comment.

And I, like you, are extremely tired of the "PiS3 sux, XBOX 360 rox" crap. It seems that imtelligent posters like you, I and a select few others are being pushed away by the more ignorant, simple minded, bullshit spewing fanboys who's only logic for blindly following their system is, "it's teh onli 1 i oWn!"


185 - Truth
Unregistered - GAMEFACE 09.23.2005 03:57
OK sounds like you are a reasonable guy and I appreciate the apology. Like I said earlier I do favor the XBOX, but at the same time I don't want to sound like Im hating on the PS3, actually the only reason I was checking out this site was because I like MGS (and a few other PS titles as well) so I wanted to see whats up with the game, and even though Im buying the 360(yeah and its already paid for Baby!)oh excuse, me like I was saying, I know a few of my friends will get PS3 along with MGS4 when it comes out, so I'll play it anyway and then I don't need to buy a PS3 just for the few games I like, yeah I could buy both systems, but financially it doesn't make a lot of sense, but then again who knows what I will do in a year or so from now....hell one of them already called me, talking shit about how good its going to be, I told him "yeah, yeah calm down I already saw the trailer....it was weak as hell!"(being sarcastic) Anyway I'll keep checking out this site just to listen to what others think about this game and other games I like.

186 - Yep...
Unregistered - Truth 09.23.2005 05:32
Like me you're buying one console while your friend gets the other. However I'm doing the exact opposite ( PS3 and friend is getting the XBOX 360 ). Now, this is based squarely off the PS3's future line up of games and personal preference. I like the XBOx 360, just not enough to buy one at launch. I can live with kicking my friends ass off long enough to get some Gears of War or Bluedragon in untill the PS3 is released. Again, this is purely on prefernce not wether I believe one console is better than the other. I can see myself getting an XBOX 360 sometime down the road when the price drops, just not right when it comes out. I'll most probably have to end up buying it when Halo 3 comes out though, hehehe.

187 - PS3 Rules...
Unregistered - Xtreme PS3 09.23.2005 06:58
I think that main thing we had it on in our hole life is the confirmation of the PS3 we sony fans so as ive read about the specs of The 360 and PS3 onthe totalnextgen.com it was easy to find how would ps3 surpass the 360 so im sorry 360 fans i see that gay(tes) got no ability to provide u a competitive system to that of sony..

188 - 7800GTX V's PS3 V's X360
Unregistered - who cares 09.23.2005 09:12
Here's how the 7800GTX, PS3 and X360 stack up against each other http://www.hardspell.com/newsimage/2005-6-21-16-10-14-654986702.gif

189 - #188
Unregistered - Truth 09.23.2005 18:23
Considering the RSX hasn't even been put on silicon yet and Nvidia hasn't released any official specificantions I'm still open that it will change for the better. So that, while a nice and comprehensive break down of the numbers is still nothing if finalized numbers haven't been laid down. Not to mention the interations of the RSX with the Cell and the R5000 with the XBOX 360's three cores.

190 - 187 pay attention
Unregistered - GAMEFACE 09.24.2005 01:08
I understand you are a PS3 fan, which is fine, however if you are really doing your homework about both systems, you would also know that spec sheets while important do not simply make one system better than the other, which is not my words but has been said repeatedly on many game sights like Gamespot for one. Although I do agree that if you are simply talking brute power most sites THINK that PS3 is more powerful but they go on to say that its very close(both have a 3.2 Ghz CPU, no shit huh?). Anyway the more important aspect for both systems will be how efficiently can the game developers utilize the power of the each system or basicly which system is easier to make games for. So it will be the games like always that really count and of course developers want to make as much money as possible so they will make great games for both systems despite which is more difficult to make games for, but when they start to think in terms of making an exclusive title then thats when they will probably decide it makes sense to choose the one thats easier to work with, and thats where we will notice the difference, but lets not forget to factor in personal preferences like say: "Im Mr. A" game developer and just I prefer to make games for PS3 or "Im Mr. B" and I prefer to make games for XBOX 360 .....So the bottom line is there will be a lot of multiplatform games that are basicly the same with a few minor differences and then there will be some very good titles exclusively for one system or the other, which will THANKFULLY set them apart.

191 - To # 190
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.24.2005 02:54
Well from what I heard about the release date of MGS4 and the length of time Gears of war has been in production, I would say PS3 is easier and quicker to program for. Aparently MGS4 will be released next year, so only a year in production (or there abouts) Gears of war on the other hand has been in production 3 years according to developers in an interview.



192 - #191 please try and keep up
Unregistered - GAMEFACE 09.24.2005 03:58
I honestly dont know how long either game has been in development because its IRRELEVANT at this point....If Im a game developer who's working on a next gen game for any system thats NOT EVEN OUT YET and I'm running off of INFERIOR dev kits then off course I will take my sweet time right up until the system is about to launch and thats only if I'm insisting on it being a launch title if not then I will wait a month or two after launch so I can polish it up because they usually get the best hardware if not the final hardware close to the anticipated release date. It only makes sense that if Im a game developer and Im licensed to work on a 360 title for launch day which is lets say 2 yrs away why would I tell anyone let alone MS that it only took me a year and Im completely finished even though I've only been using a first run dev kit. So what Im saying is even if they could develop and finish a game well before the system launch date, why would any company in their right mind want to do that?....so under the circumstances its a lot harder for a developer to make a game for any system right now and therefore the time it takes to develop a game for either system right now is totally IRREVELANT to the time it will take for them to do the same thing in the future.

193 - #191
Unregistered - GAMEFACE 09.24.2005 04:08
Oh and by the way if you think that MGS4 has only been in production for about a year when its released next year, then you are seriously not thinking....but like I said its IRREVELANT, because Kojima's a smart man and he'll take all the time he needs.

194 - # 193 ur right
Unregistered - PlayBall 09.24.2005 12:33
I think that kojima wont launch MGS4 before a long time yet since he's not a complete idiot he would prove that his last title in MGS series would be the best ever game of all time so let us wait until this date...

195 - Sony won't lanuch on time.
Unregistered - The Dahkness 09.26.2005 16:35
I just wanted to point some things out.

#1 Everyone who says that its all real time rendering for those CGI Videos of killzone, how can it be real time when ps3 has just NOW began making dev kits, they don't even have a beta yet. Everything you saw at E3 was not running on anything that represents the hardware that the ps3 will run. Ergo: Preren.

#2 How will sony launch in less then a year, when barley ANY developers have dev kits to develop on, what they do have are barley alpha kits, they don't even have a beta PS3 because they still are sorting out the cell architecture.
xbox 360, on the other hand, people have been developing for it for up to 2 years.


#2.1 If the devs don't have dev kits, for at least a year, they definatly won't have any games at their "lanuch date" you watch, ps3 will be pushed back until fall of 2006.

#3 The head of sony even said that the ps3 is not meant to be an all out gaming system, check teamxbox for a link to the interview.

#4 DOA Franchise is coming exclusivly to xbox360, and even the creator of the title just called the xbox 360 "The best video gaming system ever created". You can read that article on gameinformer.com (reporting from tokyo gameshow.)

I understand brand loyalty, and respect what ps has done for the gaming industry, but mark my words, sony will turn itself more into a home entertainment system that also runs game, and xbox 360 will rule the gaming side of the industry.

It's what MS does.

peace be with you <3


196 - To # 195
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.26.2005 23:23
Cell's design is complete, IBM already tested it before E3 and run an earth simulator on it rendered in realtime by just 1 Cell chip on its own, without a graphic chip/card. The same demo was played at Sony's E3. The Cell chip is already in devkits, its the RSX that isnt finished, so they are useing the next best thing the Geforce 7800GTX. Toshiba has also tested the Cell chip running multiple video streams, I dont remember how many they said they run, but it was a large number.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.26.2005 23:41
Why do I get the strainge feeling, PS3 final specs for the processor will be a lower clocked processor? how do they plan to cool a 3.2gig Cell? have you seen the size of the dev kits? they're Huge! with plenty of cooling fans I bet and the Cell chip thats in them are clocked at 2.4gig.
Look at the size of these things http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/628/628048/ps3-dev-kit-appears-20050622111220126-000.jpg
X360 is useing water cooling I believe, will PS3 use the same method maybe?


198 - YAH
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.28.2005 17:46
YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT XBOX 360 AND PS3 UNTIL YOU READ THIS FULL TRUTHFULL ARTICLE

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html


199 - coward!
Unregistered - Ultimate DMC Fan 09.28.2005 21:21
Coward i bet ur posting that SAME thing all opver the forums! Ur just an x box 3-6feet *** kisser! I already read everything all about the x box 3-6feet. I saw everything about PS3. And the true winner will be..............................................PS3! I got word from Kutaragi that he IS"NT gonna make the SAME mistake again! This time he is gonna make sure the SPECS are way more powerful in everyway! x box 360 is GOING DOWN!!

200 - ......
Unregistered - Ultimate DMC Fan 09.28.2005 21:25
Also apparently.....those are the REAL graphics of PS3! As Sony said...the RSX (Reality Synthesizer) is what will render EVERY SINGLE shade, detail shine,and shadow where it's SUPPOSED to BE! And like Sony said ,'' The RSX is gonna render MOVE-QUALITY graphics!'' Therefor PS3 is the superior system as well as the games and its features!

201 - #195 Petty talk!!
Nodieza 09.28.2005 21:46
Please man let's get some things straight.

1.Forget E3 Mgs4 should shut your complaining ass, it looked great and you know it.

2.Games will come out because of the licencing of the Unreal 3 engine, and havok which will cut costs and development time drasticly.

3.Computers aren't full blown "gaming machines" and they still make most consoles look like a joke and oh god I am certain xbox 460 is a full blown gaming console, good for ps3, the more it can do the better!

4.DOA isn't so good, tekken is better, shit virtua fighter is better, also Team Ninja might make ps3 games. Doa 4 doesn't look so impressive.

5. Microsoft doesn't rule shit, they have a manopoly on OS's, oh wow! Bill Gates has nothing to gain nor nothing to lose, you think with all that money he would be able to make the best gaming system. Side not Apple is going with Blu Ray, hmm Apple usually has the best made products... coincidence? I think not!


202 - Ok.............
Unregistered - Ultimate DMC Fan 09.29.2005 23:44
I agree with ya Nodieza...I say PS3 will be the top system and best ever! My lil bro is gonna get x box 360 and Im gonna get PS3! So basically it does'nt matter what ANYONE thinks! I still say PS3 will be better especially the games!

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.01.2005 00:25
Alright first off realize that ps3 is not cheap or equivilant to the 360. As rumored and somewhat proven the console, controller, and cables/accessories will be around 400 dollars, no hard drive, no headset. Ok then we have it's counterpart from Micrsoft that includes all that ps3 does plus what I said it didn't. The hard drive that sony will not have is going to cost +80-100, and that's for the majority of serious and mediocre players. And as suspected the ps3 will have little difference in graphical improvement and general performance for their more expensive console. Sony online will be blown out of the water by xbox 360. I will admit an almost definate graphics superiority from sony but it is not worth the 100 more dollars. Also when sony is clearly beaten in other console areas. Also what kind of games could the ps3 offer americans but MGS4 and sports games. Before you choose which console make sure you weigh which games would be the best for you because the graphics difference will be almost unnoticable. PLEASE BEFORE BUYING TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HITCH YOUR WAGON TO THE BEST COMPANY.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.01.2005 02:05
SONY HAS A SOLID HISTORY OF PRE-RENDERING AND OVER PROMISING, WAKE UP

205 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.01.2005 09:27
a history thats the past stop bringing up the past you jealous xboxfanboy

206 - Yay real posts finally!
Nodieza 10.01.2005 10:25
Thank you for decent argument but I must disagree and agree on a few things.

1. Hard Drives are super cheap nowadays, 200 gig for about $80 if you know where to look, and I guarantee it's not going to be 200gig so let's say 80gig, it can't possibly cost sony more than $30 bucks for one. Mass Producing, etc.

2. Everyone will want a hardrive, the benefits are almost required, custom soundtracks? Who WOULDN't want that with all the shitty EA game TRAX'ez. Plus nuemerous other benefits I am certain all you Xbox users already know.

3. Don't get me started on general performance, Cell with 3 Spe's can match up to xbox, but it has 8, one for redundancy, 7 which is still more than 3. One for physics, one for Ai and one for real time animations and Cell to do the rest and you got one smooth mutha for a console, same scenario with 360 and the three processors will just be juggling everything around like a standard multicore computer.

4. Comments on the internet service is pointless buddy, Sony hasn't revealed theirs yet. Please don't make stabs in the dark, your only making yourself look that much more unprofessional. Side note: I don't play games online so even IF ps3 is lacking wouldn't change my mind, yet again it's all about taste.

5. Even if it is 100 more dollars I believe it'll be worth it for the blu ray player alone, shit they are going to be costing around $300 (the cheapest) around the time Ps3 comes out if not hundreds more. Standard 1080 resoloution will make all ps3 games jump out and give them a wow factor.

6. Americans love Devil May Cry. Resi Evil(on xbox 360 as well I know), Katamari fucking owned, Castlevania, Sonic (360), Dynasty Warriors(maybe 360), and Americans like RPG's too man, If the FF series wasn't going to shitz things would be better in the RPG scene. Armored Core (360). It just depends on taste. The Japanese TEND to be more original I am personally sick of war games and sports games and I have about 32 ps2 games none of which are sports or war(ww2) games so there must be great appeal towards me and I am an american, Halo fine HL2 fine, Doom 3 fine,Battlefield awsome... but enough with the WW2 games.... anyways

7. Glad all comments were made without an Xbot 360 or Ps3 sux, I've not mentioned that any system will "rape" the other because I think it just depends on what you are looking for. I HAVE to own a ps3 because of metal gear, that's my franchise, but I am definity not going to ignore the 360, Perfect Dark has and always will be my favorite FPS so I am in a bind.

8. Your last sentance is worth quoting "PLEASE BEFORE BUYING TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HITCH YOUR WAGON TO THE BEST COMPANY." Peace Man!




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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.02.2005 00:18
JAPANESE GAMES SUCK SO MUCH, hack and slash games that make you do combos is retarted and repetative. People who play those games should be ashamed of themself. Exspecially when outcast anti-social nerds who believe that wear japanese clothes. DONT GET THE PS3 JUST BECAUSE IT CAN PERFORM SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THE XBOX 360. XBOX 360 GAMES ARE ENOUGH REASON TO GET IT.

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Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.02.2005 00:26
BLU RAY OFFERS NO CONCEIVABLE BENEFIT WORTH THE COST....SONY IS AN IDIOT. WHO CARES IF YOU CAN STORE 3-2 TIMES MORE INFORMATION ON BLU RAY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO PUT 4 GAMES ON ONE BLU RAY DISC. YOU GUYS DON'T LOOK AT THE USEFULLNESS FACTOR JUST THINK THAT SONY WILL LEAD YOU TO THE TOP WITH EXPENSIVE PARTS, BUT WILL ONLY JACK OF THE PRICE.

209 - Do some research 208
Unregistered - ZZZII 10.02.2005 11:24
You don't put 4 games on a Blu-ray disc! next-gen games are going to be 20GB+.
Tell me how devs are going to put everything on a 9gb disc.


210 - Holy shit
Unregistered - poop 10.02.2005 11:33
OMG!!! There are idiots here(#207).
Why don't the Xbox fans go somewhere else


211 - :) :) :) :>
Unregistered - DISCIPLE 10.02.2005 20:15
HA HAHA AHHAAAA......
WHY DONT XBOX FANS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE HAAAA,
THATS FUNNY HHHHHH. SWUU MAN I'M HIGH.


212 - Convertion
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.03.2005 19:48
Long live Sony, loyalty to the end, the ones who went away shall come back when the light hits them in the arriving war, time will tell it all. Believe in the PS3, is belief in reality.Long live Sony, loyalty to the end.

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PAUL CERULA 10.03.2005 22:12
Having loyalty to a company, like Sony, is as dumb as being a trusting German citizen during the 1930-40s. Think and let yourself experience new products instead of blindly following Sony because you used their products before. This is more prevalent with Nintendo outcasts. And previous writer you crack me up say loyalty to the end.



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PAUL CERULA 10.04.2005 10:54
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND REALIZE THAT KEN DIDN'T CONFIRM MGS4 WASN'T PRE-RENDERED. Sony has always over promised, pre-rendered, and witheld information that would deny their pre-rendering. I bring up what Ken Kootchie didn't and said at the MGS4 trailer. Tell me why wouldn't the most anticipated game for the ps3 be confirmed that it wasn't pre-rendered? Just make consumers assume that it wasn't. The reason is to make ps3 enthusiats to go along like sheep not taking into account Sony's history. This is truly one of the most basic and manipulating marketing strategies. Ps3 withholds important information against pre-rendering to let consumers be none the wiser.

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Unregistered - PS3Player 10.04.2005 14:12
Long live Sony, loyalty to the end as time draws near, the non-believers shall believe again for they will be in disbelief when the box fall and the bomb hits,succumb by shame, they shall return to claim loyalty to Sony, loyalty to the PS3.This is no fairy tale.

216 - # 215
Unregistered - PS3Gayer 10.13.2005 17:33
Your comment may be no fairy tale but you certainly are a fairy

217 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.14.2005 23:19
Long live Microsoft, loyalty to the end as time draws near, the non-believers shall believe again for they will be in disbelief when the PS3 fall and the bomb hits,succumb by shame, they shall return to claim loyalty to Microsoft, loyalty to the 360.This is no fairy tale.

218 - gekkou and the ninja
Unregistered - cillian 10.15.2005 06:13
this new metal gear (gekkou meaning moonlight) seems to be an infantry support metal gear. i think that is why gekkou is so fast. i believe the ninja will either be naomi, rose, or raiden. naomi because her hatred of snake for killing grey fox, rose because the la-li-lu-le-lo snatched her baby and forced her into the armour, then raiden because of his katana skills after defating a master swordsman (solidus).

219 - # 217
Unregistered - J Allard 10.15.2005 09:40
Er............o.k then, there may be room for you on my team after all, PS3player..............welcome to the dark side

220 -
Unregistered - IHATESONY 10.20.2005 23:56
I hate everyone going OMG!! OMG!!! they are not in game graphics its Cg, Instead of crapping your little frilly panties go to game trailers and take a look at xbox 360`s Elder Scrolls Oblivion...Now that is good! -==-=-=-=-HAIL XBOX 360!!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

221 - Denial isn't a river...
Unregistered - Svetlana 10.26.2005 16:09
Come on now, you don't have to be Einstein to come to the conclusion that Metal Gear Solid 4 is probably the best looking game created so far. I don't want to come across as the fangirl, because such pettiness doesn't appeal to me one iota, but the MGS4 demo is quite clearly running in its own race.
I don't find it encouraging to see that the Xbox 360 hasn't got a single game that looks half as good as MGS4 (including Gears of War, Elder Scrolls), especially considering that developers are getting to grips with a fully powered development kit. Who knows - developers might pull something out of the bag and surpass MGS4's graphics.
People who say that the PS3 is difficult to develop for should take a look at Metal Gear Solid 4, Warhawk and Formula 1 PS3 and be prepared to eat their hat. Carmack has the audacity to say that the PS3 is difficult to develop for - and it probably is if you don't have the talent. Something which Hideo Kojima has an abundance of.


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PAUL CERULA 10.26.2005 20:14
You can't say this is the best game created so far because it isn't finished and DOES NOT SHOW INGAME PLAYING. Just a teaser trailer of a very highly programmed script. My gosh you ps3 fans are sheep. I don't care what Ken Kutchy says, he's made this in thinking that when it comes time to ship this game ps3 will give these kind of graphics IN 2007!!! That's a long ways away quit being idiots about it

223 -
Unregistered - da man 10.30.2005 15:34
i smell a hater(spartan)

224 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 19:00
I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible.

225 -
xxxxxx 10.31.2005 19:00
I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible.

226 -
PAUL CERULA 10.31.2005 21:49
224 and 225 isn't the real spartan, just a forum pu$y with a similar name to mine

227 - WRONG!
Unregistered - T.C. 11.01.2005 14:36
THEY PUT THE EYEPATCH ON THE WRONG EYE!

228 - ...
Unregistered - UnunbiunDave 01.20.2006 02:13
Pretty graphics, but ultimately unimpressive. The intriguing part is how the gameplay might evolve. If the PS3 can actually render those graphics, cool. It's pretty pointless, however, if you have great visuals and mediocre gameplay. I'm confident that Kojima can improve the Metal Gear series, and it is that driving forward that makes people like him, Miyamoto, and Mikami so amazing. Let's hope that Nintendo isn't the only one to start a revolution this year.

229 - The Best Thing In The World
Unregistered - King 03.30.2006 08:37
mgs4 looks so unbelievable the trailer is immense a must buy

230 - MGS4 gonna rock!
Unregistered - Gatsu 04.06.2006 10:15
Imho MGS4 is going to one if the best games ever, trailer looks awesome and I'm sure the gameplay looks awesome too. Just stop the friggin PS3 vs XBox stuff, you should comment about MGS4 and not f****ng start some childish fight,geez. XBox guys can get the **** off.

According to www.wikipedia.com, some developers have already announced their PS3 games. MGS4: Guns of the Patriots, Resident Evil 5, Killzone, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Tekken 6, Final Fantasy VII(new graphics), Shin Megami Tensei etc.

Imo Hideo Kojima really knows how to make cool games and great stories ^_^. MGS4 is probably the last MGS game, so can't wait to play it RAWR! Also Snake's moustache looks cute. MGS4 gonnnna pwn!!! <3.


231 - oops
Unregistered - Gatsu 04.06.2006 10:27
Forgot to check the list at wiki, which shows over 200 games :P.

232 - Metal Gear Solid 4 Release Date Confirmed
Unregistered - Richard Manis 06.05.2006 09:50
I Have a confirmed release date will be 07/07/07,because they want it to take place 6 years after The Big Shell time.In stead of 10 years.So X years does not mean 10 years on roman time,but to mean undentafied time.So to all who Reads this,that is 1year,1month,2days left before it is released to everyone to buy.But you ask still how do I know this??? fine I will tell you.I read it in an article facts some where through out the web. thanks Richard Manis

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