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16 Sep 2005 05:48 | Webmaster | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article
The 2005 Tokyo Game Show just started a few hours ago and the highly anticipated trailer for Metal Gear Solid 4 is now playing at the Konami booth. You are not prepared for what you are just going to see, trust me! The game is subtitled Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots and will feature much more intense action than any previous MGS game, but enough with the talking just watch the trailer and see for your self. Click here to download the trailer - Forget pre-rendered stuff! This is all real-time baby! Note: Konami never said that this was gameplay footage, but a trailer rendered in real-time. MGS games have always used cinematic sequences that are rendered in real-time using the in-game engine. Update: If you still think that this trailer was CGI check out http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656 Apparently, MGS 4 sees Kojima and his uber-talented team take on the task of 'creating inner qualities' to the unfolding gameplay. Kojima explains that this aspect is "unseen and establishes the presence only through time and the volition of the player. This will pave the way forward to a revolutionary change that will lead us away from past concepts based on 'realism' as we move towards the 'natural'". We can't say we entirely understand what all that means, but as always with Kojima's ideas, it's an intriguing concept. Source : CVG Update: More info on MGS4 ![]() ![]() ![]() Add Comment Unregistered - DieH@rd 09.16.2005 06:35 OMG! OMG! OMG! great trailer, but i think there will be another trailer mgs4 at TGS. Kojima said that Raiden will appear in it... Nodieza 09.16.2005 06:41 Sweet Jesus!!!... phew, I can sleep at night now. Thank you Kojima!!!! What more proof do we need?... Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 06:52 Looks great. I'd like to see how the game is actually played. Unregistered - who? 09.16.2005 07:24 first of all I just got to get this of my chest OMG,HOLY CRAP BATMAN,WHAT THE F***,I JUST S*** MY PANTS!.well got that out of the way,and I now this is going to be off topic here but,who do you think would win in a CQC(close quarter combat,for all you noobs out there) out of snake and sam fisher form splinter cell,seeing as they are both very similar.they are both old, good with a combat knife,master's of stealth(hide'n'go seek),have pretty much the same build and it look's like they kinda wear the same suit.....so who do you think would win? Unregistered - Fish Man 09.16.2005 07:59 I guess snake not because it's solid snake but because he fights friggen giant nucular mechs and the works. Sam has only gone against lackeys and some professinals. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 08:20 I think sam would win because he is sneakier. He would just hang down from the ceiling and snap snakes neck. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 08:21 what a great trailer!!!But i really don´t want to see snake like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!So old!!!!!! I hope it´s not him Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 08:31 plz take that moustache out Unregistered - Fish Man 09.16.2005 08:35 I think thats the boss because of the eye patch. XBOX FAN 09.16.2005 08:56 Come on quit showing me these video's and show me ACTUAL game play. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 09:00 Who wants a mustache ride. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 09:03 I still think kojima should take Raiden out NOW. What the hell is he thinking. That character allmost single handedly ruined Sons of Liberty, although with the stupid story it didn't really need any help from him. If Raiden has a big part in this one I am gonna sit this one out. XBOX FAN 09.16.2005 09:26 There must only be a couple of good games for PS3. They keep showing this crap over and pver, oooh wow another screen shot. This site doesn't really have much meaningful news to report so they report anything that comes there way! Unregistered - BigDong 09.16.2005 09:33 Great movie. Stonking visuals. Stonking sound. Agreed on the tash - it has to go ! Remember the Maddens Xbox360 showcase earlier in the year? Looked good then. Not so sure now.... http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000767058544/ (snigger) Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 09:37 "This game looks so freaking awesome that Sony fanboys are now going to invade every 360 forum out there just to rub it in." It looks like our host is a fan boy which would explain why fanboyism is so rampant on this site. This trailer looks great but that is all it is. I hope the in game footage is this awesome but who will know until we actually see real gameplay. Unregistered - BogDong 09.16.2005 09:44 ...'cos it's a Sony PS3 site run by PS fans for PS fans. That's why its called PS3TODAY.COM. Spud. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 09:44 haha snake is so old and this stinks of a pre render how can it be realtime when the final final final spec of he ps3 havent been finalised yet???? ps3 is roughly 2 years away (2007) but if this pre render shit keeps you sonyboys happy who am i to stand in the way when i see real time (ie some one actually controling the on screen action) then i will get xcited. remember killzone at e3?? every one said it was realtime, but after the fuss had died down it was leaked that it was a cg render intended to take the shine away from the 360. i am no fanboy , it just annoys me how so many people can be fooled if sony said black was actually white and white was no longer white it was now red you would all go along with it and not question it Unregistered - someone whos does not wear rose tinted glasses. 09.16.2005 09:47 i'll believe it when i see it, sony the masters of smoke and mirrors. Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 09:57 In case you hadn't figured it for yourself by now there is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. I you don't understand this already then it not worth explaining. Unregistered - Silverback 09.16.2005 09:58 In case you hadn't figured it for yourself by now there is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. If you don't understand this already then it not worth explaining. Unregistered - Scythe 09.16.2005 10:06 I'm a big PS fan but that looked nothing more amazing then Final Fantasy Cut scenes. How is that Real Time, Maybe I just don't understand but if it's real time I wana see some GAME PLAY! Not just the system playing for me, now if it goes straight from that to game play then great but they should have show that. To me that just looked like a cut scene to me, sorry PS fans but I was expecting more when they said in game I wanted to see it from someone playing it. Unregistered - Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:13 This is actually more believably realtime than the scanned screens from a few days ago, in the hi-res screens it's more obvious that it's pretty feasable this is possible. I also don't get what the xbox fanboys are bitching about that this can't be done. It's on par with GoW, and especially WarDevil, so why wouldn't it be possible on the PS3? Unregistered - Ryu Hyabusa 09.16.2005 10:14 I love PS3! The game play of MGS4 is almost as good as Killzone 2... oh wait a second that was CGI... oops. I can't wait to get this game and... play by myself... maybe my mom will come watch me, 'cause no one else gives a fuck. Muhahaha! Unregistered - Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:26 How can you even think this is CGI? I don't get it. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 10:30 I think that snake would probably win because he has more experience in that field than sam. I think MGS took place in the cold war so I think snake has more experience from it. Unregistered - BigDong 09.16.2005 10:31 Whatever. I'm off to a few Xbox sites to spread the word in a fanboy stylee... Let me see, there's: ILikeXboxCosImGay.com ILikeItupTheShitterFromBillGates.com TheBillGatesAppreciationSocietyForNerdsGeeksAndHomos.com and my favourite: imonlybuyinganxbox360cositsoutfirst butisuspectitstechnicallyinferiortothemarketleadersstunninglypowerfulconsole.com Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 10:35 I say where someone said they hope that's not really Snake but it did say it's 10 Years later after Big Shell, wasn't Big Shell the MGS2 Game? It's been awhile, since I've played and MGS Game. If So then that Snake, OLD Snake looks pretty bad off. But I hope it's not true that he's old like that because if I play with him doing rolls and stuff he might break a hip. LOL j/k I liked the video just wish it was game play footage. Unregistered - Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:36 Both the Xbox and PS fanboys are acting like morons. Come on people, this DOES look awesome (stares at Xbox fanboys) and it's not blowing anybody away, because GoW and WarDevil look at least just as good. (Stares at PS fanboys). Just get a life, and enjoy these trailers without bitching all the time. Unregistered - me 09.16.2005 10:38 spread what, that MGS4 looks inferior to GOW, ok have fun then. :] Webmaster 09.16.2005 10:41 I see how my comment is open for misinterpretation, my point was simply that this trailer is for sure gonna start a few heated discussions in message boards around the net. And I am a Sony fan alright, but not anymore than I am an Xbox fan. I play games on all consoles, I even have a Nintendo DS, and actually the Dreamcast is my favorite system of all times :) Vivicious 09.16.2005 10:44 #30, Obviously, you definently weren't that far off ;-) Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 11:00 I for one am very impressed with potenial of the new Nintendo controller. Hopefully Sony will come up with a similar type of tech for games like this. Unregistered - Truth 09.16.2005 11:11 Yes, you're right, SONY is the undisputed king of smoke and mirrors... however this is a KONAMI game made by HIDEO KOJIMA. A THIRD PARTY game developer. So get your facts straight. And personally I think the game looks better than anything else out there right now, not to mention Kojima said he still has alot of power to work with as this is being developed on the near complete dev kits not the final PS3 hardware. Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 11:22 What exactly about this game do you think looks better than anything else out there? I think it looks great graphically but not better than other titles such as gears of war or war devil both of whom are very detailed. Regarding actual game play we know nothing. Please inform. I'm not saying other titles look better just on par with them. Unregistered - Mickus 09.16.2005 11:44 Well, quite a nice insight to what to expect from MGS4. But nothing more. Me, like most peps wanna see it being played before going mental for it... Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 11:59 So #33, you think Sony has nothing at all to do with Metal Gear4? I think they have some kind of influence on Kojima. Unregistered - mgs fan 09.16.2005 12:07 well i am excited about MGS 4, but i really am just waiting for metal gear solid 3: subsistence. that'll be sweetr. but nice trailer! Unregistered - Daddy 09.16.2005 12:09 It's not going to do well because it's going to be put on an inferior system. Think about it, who is going to play it. Older PiS3 fanboys are not going to pay $599 for a system then pay $75 for a game that could easily could run on the Xbox360. Your Mommies and Daddies aren't going to cover you guys this time either.Do you know what your Mommies are going to tell you? (In Mommy voice )"If you do well in English class and get something hire than a "C" then I will consider". You see your Momma knows that aint gonna happen ( I know this for a fact, studies prove PiS3 fanboys are not as Smart as Xbox fanboys) because PiS3 fanboys don't even know how to turn caps lock off. Anyway Moms will probably say " Honey gas prices are too high right now to afford such a thing, beside I need that money to buy crack". Putting MGS4 on PiS3 is like the Nintendo Revolution controllers..............just a bad idea. Unregistered - spiderman 09.16.2005 12:20 lmao, sony fanboi's are dumber that is true, my friend is one and he still swears blind that GT4 is better than FORZA *sighs* also he says san-andreas is better on the POS2 how can they be so blind? Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 12:21 I'm not sure I agree with you about Nintendo's controller. I think it could potentially, I'm not saying this generation necessarily, help to change the future of controllers. I am interested to see how it does. Just a note... please lay off the nasty comments they don't elevate you at all. Vivicious 09.16.2005 12:22 LoL #38, not a single grain of truth in the entire post, but pretty funny :P Unregistered - #38 09.16.2005 12:33 wrong oh so wrong, but funny. i am in then ninth grade and i am taking 10th grade english. i have had nothing less than an "a" yet. lmao, that was entertaining, however. Unregistered - batman 09.16.2005 12:46 nothing less than a A eh!! but still you use lower case for i. Unregistered - Maleficus the Great 09.16.2005 12:46 You are pretty much the only person with intelligence who writes on this website. The xbox fanboys are in denial about how good the PS3 is going to be. I'm not saying the 360 is not going to be good, but the PS3 is going to have better games with better stories. I can't wait to see a Final Fantasy on the PS3. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 12:51 all of you sony fanboys are such f u c k i n g p u s s y's get a f*cking life! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 12:52 CAPS ON caps off, OMG! I know how to turn them on & off, but this can't be I'm a PS3 Fanboy....Assuming your Facts are true this should not be possible. But some how it is so if this proves your facts that PS Fanboys don't know how to turn off the caps then I guess EVERYTHING else you said must be False aswell. Stupid X-botox fanboy go masterbate to you Halo pictures and shut up. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 13:23 I think the graphics is better that killzone.......what u ppl think? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 13:24 I think the graphics is better that killzone.......what u ppl think? Unregistered - silverback 09.16.2005 13:36 Please define what "better" games means? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 13:42 XBOX 360 looks amazing...got some great games in development that are gunna be awesome. PS3 again looks amazing and shows that its got the capability to leave the xbox 360 dead in the water in terms of graphics BUT Sony need to show people that its true by SHOWING PEOPLE PLAYING THE FUCKING GAMES.....sure they can dress them up to look amazing but everyone wants to see gameplay...if sony do that and it lives up to what they've stated then PS3 is going to revolutionize gaming. Fair play to microsoft they have created a monster of a console and i think sony underestimated them a bit. I personally wouldnt like to pick. Xbox 360 at the moment because of it proving how good it is and having some crazily good games. But if sony shock us soon with playable demos and show what it can really do then ps3 is the way forward in gaming. What does everyone think? Unregistered - PS3 FAN2 09.16.2005 13:50 Get the fuck out of here Xbox fans throw ur jealousy and then return to this site.U cant c the ps3 lead the way.Ur just jealous of the ps3 grafix..... Unregistered - egg n bacon 09.16.2005 13:55 daddy is gay hahahahaha ha "cough" "cough" Unregistered - Maleficus the Great 09.16.2005 14:31 I am sorry, Vivicious. I accidently called you vivacious in a previous comment. Haha! I just saw the mgs4 movie and it looks great. Vivicious 09.16.2005 14:40 Np, though I'll take vivacious as well, as I am quite charming for example ;-) Didn't even think of my name bearing a resemblence to that word until now. XBOX FAN 09.16.2005 14:51 Why is everyone fighting like little children? These graphics that everyone is talking about is just video's, it's not even actual gameplay until it is actually played on the machine, because they havn't been made yet!! Anyone can create a movie and take stills from it and call it actual fotage. So for people to get this mad over plain old video's is ridiculous. GROW UP! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 15:00 egg Unregistered - Furious 09.16.2005 15:10 I'm extremely excited about the next generation consoles ALL of the consoles... I consider myself a hardcore gamer so I own all of the current generation consoles and plan to purchase the next batch of consoles. I viewed the GOW & the MGS 4 trailers, both are extremely impressive visually and I'm looking forward to eventually owning both titles. I don't understand why you message board geeks insist on bashing consoles in favor of another... Don't you idiots realize if we did not have variety and competition the videogame industry would suffer. The PS2 brought gaming to a larger older audience. The Xbox proved an American company could compete and pushed online gaming into the lime light. Also, you have Nintendo who focuses on bringing new inovative gaming experiences to the pubilic. Each manufacturer brings a unique important piece to the video game industry. If the Xbox did not exist we would more than likely have to wait until 2008 or longer for a new Sony console... If you want one company to win the war look at the Madden series and how they obtained an exclusive agreement with the NFL and the Next Gen Madden looks like shit & Madden 06 was not very impressive. Instead of bitching about the consoles concentrate on the software bitches...Think about it! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 15:11 haha man that trialer freak me out, but nothing that that 360 can't handle, 360 can do the same thing, ps3 might be fast processor wise, but GPU WISE which always matter, 360 will rule in that category. ATI RULES OVER NVIDIA REMEMBER. Unregistered - neutral 09.16.2005 15:19 wassup again,,,here ya go again , going at it...MGS4 looks good but u cant compare it to GOW until u see actual footage...but i Sony if they dont have one cuz its too early for actual footage. The game do look promising, but i hope that robot thing doesnt follow u around all the timei n the game, it mite get annoying. but i will definately get this game, I love the MGS series. By the way, did ya hear the news...Tenchu 4 and Armored Core 4 is also coming to xbox360. Unregistered - neutral 09.16.2005 15:20 sorry i meant " i don't blame Sony if they dont have gameplay footage." XBOX 360 and PS3 FAN 09.16.2005 15:40 I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with this game. Some sequals are good but I'm hoping that they come out with some NEW titles. Also does this site just post screen shots or is there any real news to report, or are they trying to hard to keep up with the xbox 360 site. Give me something to use!! Nodieza 09.16.2005 16:01 Seems like I have to correct everyone, IT IS REAL TIME, real time rendering, no not on ps3 but on ps3 DEV KITS, which means the potential for the real game is ever HIGHER, KOJIMA DOESN'T LIE, it's real time. Go to IGN and watch the realtime demo of them playing the game Gundam, controller in hand and you'll see it looks EXACLY like the gundam trailer video proving all the videos shown back at e3 were VERY possible and now Kojima nailed the coffin by 100% proving it yet your all still in denial. xbox fans/fanboys quit your bitchin because it's annoying, Black and White is being shown right in front of your face, #38 shut up, your stupid, have you seen the pics for perfect dark? It looks like half life 2 with better lighting, go to psinext and read there article on "the real world comparison of xbox 360 and ps3" Maybe you'll wake up, and then we can have real discussions. Unregistered - Fish Man 09.16.2005 16:07 Is their a way to filter out the Xbox fan boys anyways can't wait until this game comes out first Sony supports the little guys who start out like Rock Star when the ps came out and All mircosoft is doing is getting well known major Japanese developers. Secondly I think sonys hasn't shown much of their titles because their recruiting lesser known dvelopers right now like SCE Sana Monica studios (God of War). Third I hope Double dragon comes back. Unregistered - neutral 09.16.2005 16:50 sup, me again.i meant i want to see gameplay footage of MGS4, like they did with Gundam. But why all the hate on eachother,, Just enjoy all the pics and video. And why is everyoen talking bout graphics? especially psfans? u know GTA graphics was wack compare to everthing else, but the game was gud, so give PDZ a chance! which imma get too. I espect the ps3 to be a lil more powerful then 360, bt its nto gonna be a huge leap..just enjoy both consoles man!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 16:52 PiS3 sux, 360 rox Vivicious 09.16.2005 16:56 Noone can have real discussions with you Nodieza, if you're going to believe articles coming from psinext. Unregistered - Bored 09.16.2005 17:35 Honestly you all need to get over your petty little rivalries. Both Sony and Microsoft are BUSINESSES which means they exist to generate profits for their SHAREHOLDERS. Neither of them considers gaming as any more than a revenue stream and to buy into the dream that they are in it for the love of the medium shows a staggering level of naivety. The facts of the current round of pre launch slanging as I see them are:- (1)Microsoft comes out with the 360 and catches Sony unawares. (2)Sony doesn't like not being the centre of attention and reverts to a tried and tested trick. Giving people what they want the next generation to be rather than what it actually is. Remember all that Dreamcast is no better than Playstation 1.5 talk - sound familiar? Hell if you all think the PS3 will be a quantum leap in all factors of game play you won't be rushing out to buy 360's will you. (3)Microsoft carries on with its own strategy regardless of actually showing the public what it has - honesty is often the best policy. At the end of the day looking at everything that has been released into the public domain I believe that of the two Microsoft has the clearer strategy regarding this generation but looking at the tribalism that exists in the culture it is beyond even their marketing spend to erode Sony's dominance by a significant factor. Based on this I expect another round of bickering prior to the launch of the Xbox3 and PS4. Vivicious 09.16.2005 18:20 #67, trust me, you'll never get across to most of the troublemakers here :P Unregistered - 360 09.16.2005 18:21 LOL! Snake has grey hair, thats fucked up. They have the many sequels lol. Dont get me wrong ps3 will serve its purpose for the fans no doubt, but personally it's all about that 360 this holiday. (YEAAHHHHHH!!). Hey, ps3 fans you'll have your change (only God know's when)2007, 2008, who know's. By the time the ps3 does hit, the developers will have a better hold on the 360 and the games'll get better and better and better. I cant wait. Sony is all talk. They will have a great system, but not the one you were promised. Unregistered - PS3 09.16.2005 18:40 I've tried, but I just can't do it. I cannot for the love it get excited for the ps3. I was looking forward to it the whole time I had my ps2. Now it's like I have no interest in it, none what so ever. I think I may become interested in it once my friends have'em and i'm playing with them. As it stand everytime i see an image of the 360 my I get a very good feeling. I think thats my instinct letting me know which one to get. I'm definitely getting the 360. I'm not putting down the ps3 at all i'm sure it'll do well and will be embraced by many world wide. I just have a real strong gut instinct about the 360. Unregistered - SGT. PLAYSTAION 360 09.16.2005 20:06 To all you sad ass, faggot ass, lame ass PS3 fan bitches! You whine and you cry about ps3 " being better " knowin damn well you will be crying to mommy and daddy a thousand and why reasons why they should pre order your xbox 360's. That's right fucks I said it. You want a 360 because its about video games not the name sony. Sony will put out the same thing microsoft is putting out. A video game system. You wouldnt really give a fuck it's sony. You want to play games. Right now sony doesnt even know exactly when the ps3 is slated for. You love games that much (I know you do) you cant wait that long on sony. Your little nasty ass friends will be telling you they'll wait, when they go home they'll be so glad momma and daddy got them a 360, and you'll be wishing you had one too. NO! not cause its microsoft, but because its a video games system. You love video games. You would play need for speed or madden or your favorite games on any system available to you sony or microsoft it does not matter to you. You know it, so calm the fuck down. Stop fucking acting like you are so damn superior and all this self righteous bull shit. Get back to loving games and enjoying them no matter what system their on. You little peices of shit fragments. You cant even fucking barely spell playstation 3 or xbox 360 and have the nerve to talk shit. Little spoiled bitches. Stiff up that lip and go enjoy gaming as its meant to be enjoyed you little dumb fucks!!!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous 09.16.2005 20:30 I think it's kinda sad that everyones arguing over what system has better graphics. If you play games because they look good, then you shouldn't be playing them at all. Unregistered - No one 09.16.2005 20:35 I'm sorry was anyone else hearing the crys of a X-box Fanboy just a little while ago? Unregistered - Anonymous Pimp 09.16.2005 20:39 I dont think he was cryin or a fan boy, he was actually tellin the truth. It dont matter what system a game is on. It's about lovin games period no matter if its on a microsoft or sony system. That's real. Look at his name, it includes both company's I think he needs to breathe a little tho. woooooo sahhhhhh Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 21:03 It's Metal Gear whiners. It's known to have good gameplay. Sheesh. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 21:04 Oh by the way, the trailer seems to have been removed. Unregistered - Got Next Admin 09.16.2005 21:37 We changed the filename. Also put in hotlink protection... since PS3 Today didn't ask if they could link. We don't like to limit hotlinking, but we also don't like excessive bandwidth charges. If you want to see the trailer, go directly to http://www.got-next.com. If PS3 Today would like to host the file, they should email Chris, the EiC (email link found on site). I'm not sure we can give permission to host it or not, since we didn't make it. Oh, and it's not filmed by us. That should be evident by the non-GN logo at the start of the trailer. Unregistered - MGS Fan 09.16.2005 22:48 Just a reminder...but when has mgs ever used prerendered visuals? and quit complaining about the systems...my god. Wait until one of them actually comes out. Buy it if you want. Who cares what others are going to get. Do what you want. Its so annoying. And MGS4 is going to kick ass anyways. I dont care what the graphics look like...they are just great games all around. So quit your bitching. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.16.2005 23:30 This must be a joke. Over 100 titles anounced for the ps3 at TGS, but non of them are playable. How can this be real? If this is real, it's still not that impressive. Unregistered - lildaddy 09.17.2005 00:18 Hey I've seen the GOW trailer, War Devil trailer, and now the MGS4 trailer and honestly they all look great. We can argue all day about which is better or whether its prerendered, realtime or not (although most reasonable gamers know that the MSG4 is obviously CGI or some kind of prerendered movie) but my point is that whether you are an XBOX fan or a PS3 fan, both systems will be good...the games will be the deciding factor and of course online play will be a key element for next gen games. If Sony online service can compete with XBOX live this time around, then I don't think there will be a clear winner, except for all of us the CONSUMER......competition is good, Enjoy it! One note though, as a videogame fan, Im truly dissapointed with the new Revolution controller, WTF!???, change is not always good, please dont do it Nintendo! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 00:36 Back to the staement made about the person being boss it cant Big Boss lost his other eye!!!!!!!!! Unregistered - godenver 09.17.2005 01:16 Yeah the trailer is kick ass, but it is all animation. If it were the real game I would be the first one in line to buy it. I can't wait now for screenshots of the actual game. Nodieza 09.17.2005 01:42 #66 What the hell do you mean no one will have a discussion with me if I believe the articles on psinext? My best friend Daniel happens to work for them and writes great articles, they surely know all of the technical shit that everyone here couldn't grasp there minds around, they are very unbiased unlike ppl here, and yet again they KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT and they don't have stupid xbox or ps3 pwsorzed your azz, all over there forums. So please think next time before you speak and maybe when you can tell me the hit/miss cycle of 360's multicore processor then we can have a little chit chat again. P.S. obviously it's snake, Otacon knows him and is obviously friends with him in the trailer, and nothing is wrong with snakes eye, it's just a device, gps, etc I am certain, modern army soldiers use them nowadays so surely Snake can too. #34 maybe when you see a high resolution trailer you'll understand that the game is running over 9000Xxxxx and your computer couldn't even begin to play nor could your monitor view such glorious video, don't compare it to gears of war, you must be blind if you don't think it looks better, computers can run Unreal engine computers can't run Mgs 4 engine guaranteed, didn't you see the lighting? the animations? all the shit flying in the air?... why do I waste my time.... Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 02:33 I will admit, Gears of War and MGS4 are pretty tied in the graphical department. HOWEVER, the XBOX 360 is done. Games like Gears of War and Forza cannot look any better then they already do because the 360's been finalized as it's being released in what, November? On the other hand you have the PS3 dev kits which are still susbstanically less powerful then the final product. I believe they're running on a base 7800 GTX ( much less powerful than the RSX ) and only 256mb of RAM instead of the actual 512mb. So there's a huge amount of difference in what we're seeing and the final product Even Kojima confirmed this. Unregistered - FEDERICO CAJADE 09.17.2005 04:18 ok just read this please.ps3 will be a great system and i might end up getting one most likley i will but ps3 has sh*t to show XBOX 360 is the only one showing IN-GAME FOOTAGE ps3 only shows cinimatic scenes wich is pissin me off obviously it looks good its cinimatic show some in-game footage then we can talk but for now i already pre-orderd my 360 and im stickin to it.XBOX 360 Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 05:55 "(although most reasonable gamers know that the MSG4 is obviously CGI or some kind of prerendered movie)" ---------- I laugh at your ignorance. Hideo Kojima has never used pre-rendered video in the MGS series. And has met or exceeded what he's shown in the previous iterations trailers. So, please don't even go there. This also brings me to the conclusion that you most likely didn't even watch the MGS4 trailer. If you did you would have noticed in the first 30 seconds something along the lines of a huge white FPS flashing on the screen followed by, "Forget Pre-rendered Stuff!" appears. Again, I laugh at you. Unregistered - sparco220 09.17.2005 06:17 OMG No!!! This game looks amazing, but please dont tell me you have to play as a fukkin 90 year old snake!!?? noooooooooooo! Those graphics though!! they were brilliant. Thats coming from an Xbox360 fan btw =) Thos graphics were jus amazing, i duno how to say it =P but i h8 snake. Why they make him an old man?? I reckon its gonna ruin it. But still, the game itself looks awesome! Unregistered - Fish Man 09.17.2005 06:47 Most of the people who said that the games matter are right I mean why argue over systems.Plus the Xbox fans boys need to stop with the playstation sucks because thats ridicioulous the trailers in realtime. Oh #87 if you played or did play metal gear solid the twin snakes you'll know why he's old. Unregistered - Concern Gamer 09.17.2005 07:30 For those people that keep saying that the PS3 have nothing to show interms of gameplay, obviously have'nt being paying much attention to whats being going on in the past 5 months,the reason MS have released in-game footage is because the XBOX 360 set to release soon,so they have to cater for as much potential customers as possible, by showing them what the system is capable of and what kind of games(and gameplay) they can expect form the XBOX 360.SONY on the other hand have been approaching the "war of the consoles"in a more layed back manner,unlike MS they have not yet announced their systems(PS3)release date giving them and their developers the luxury of time and also easing any unwanted pressure of rushing a project,as they say "time makes the wine".But also expect SONY to release more details on the ps3 and some real in-game footage in the coming weeks and espacialy just before the release of the XBOX 360(22nd of November),as they would want to stem the flow of sales MS makes by showing that the PS3 is just as powerfull if not powerfuller and can only get stronger and better with time. Unregistered - lildaddy 09.17.2005 08:09 Come on brah, you can't be that brainwashed, that is cleary a prerendered, cinematic piece or whatever you might want to call but just don't call it a realtime playable demo. The trailer shown is nothing more than a cinematic piece, eye candy....look at how the camera is freely moving all over the place, thats because it showing cutscenes just like all MGS titles do, only better. I mean think logically for yourself, if you had a realtime playable demo why would you not show it off, oooh because that would KILL ANY DOUBT that it was realtime graphics and not just CGI, or PRERENDERED STUFF, instead I'll just tell you its not, and see if you believe it like a majic trick. Don't worry brah, don't piss yourself Kojima will make a badass MGS4, he obviously knows what the PS3 is capable of and it will be good in the end, its just not there yet. Yes I did see the trailer which if you watch closely to the footage and not just the words in the "first 30 seconds" only proves my point. If you beleive that Kojima is completely independent of Sony's pressure in this business then you are truly brainwashed. See unlike you Iam not brainwashed and Iam a fan of all the systems and I can clearly see that XBOX is definitely farther ahead of the ballgame, but at least I didn't call you ignorant. Unregistered - Concern Gamer 09.17.2005 10:02 you must'nt be able to read that well, I never said that was gameplay,if you did think that was gameplay you must really have a few lose screw's.all I was stating was the reason sony haven't shown any actual in-gameplay is because unlike MS their not releasing their system any time soon.I suggest you read my post again #89 BRAH!. Unregistered - PS3 FAN2 09.17.2005 10:12 DADDY UR THE MOST DISGUSTED XBOX FAN EVER TO BE BORN ON THIS PLANET.U KNOW SOMETHING UR NOTHING BUT AN ASS.XBOX WONT BE THAT MUCH SHIT BUT U FAN UAAAAH IM WORMITING ON U GUYS(DADDY) Unregistered - Patrick 09.17.2005 10:50 #89. Once again you speak the truth and tell how it is. Its about time someone in here has some sense. And you say it without cursing every other word. Thanks. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 11:14 Just to let u guys know ...after the footage was shown..the developers manipulated the traler..changing the effects,light etc in realtime on the alpha kits..It was stated by many and kojima that its done in realtime..THIS brings me back to the unveiling of MGS2 back when people thought it was CGI..but what happen, kojima proved those fanboys wrong and it was all in realtime..get over it..this is konami where talking about..like the trailer said..4get prerendered stuff. this is the next gen gaming.. what do ya expect. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 12:22 NIce video looked cool but i dont see what the big deal is about cutscenes what your all jizzin in your pants about is something youll be wanting 2 skip 2 play the game wich we have no idea what will look like. But i'm sure it will look good. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.17.2005 12:28 I think so far the only Grillstation 3 gameplay footage we've seen is need 4 speed since EA has stated the games will look the same 4 both systems Unregistered - CPL 09.17.2005 13:32 MGS has never used "more detailed models" for its cut-scenes. Ever uploaded a custom camo in MGS3? Guess what, it shows-up as Snake's clothes in MGS3 in the cut scenes. So, any sort of argument to the contrary is pointless. This is the equivelant of gameplay footage. Live with it. Unregistered - Bored 09.17.2005 13:43 Anyone played Shenmue on the DC? On disc 4 there were some extras including various characters from the game talking about the in game features. The graphics on these characters were at the time amazing, and completely rendered in real time. You could rotate them around and change the light sources etc. The point is the characters in the game looked nothing like these due to the existence of a surrounding world, characters etc. My point is without a game engine in place you can't take these cut scenes seriously on any system. I'm sure that the cut scenes in the final game where they can max out the hardware potential without having to carry out realtime calculations based on player input will be incredible on all next gen systems but once gameplay becomes a factor the graphics will have to be scaled back a factor. Think about it you see it on the current generation where hi res cut scenes are the norm with the detail dropping back a notch once the gameplay begins. Remember holding a controller and manipulating light sources on a tech demo does not gameplay make. Unregistered - Fish Man 09.17.2005 14:47 What I really want from the consoles is to bring some origianl games and sequels to old school games. Double Dragon and final fight for nintendo kicked ass in the day and Sega had streets of rage and fighting vipers. Vector man would be nice to bring back and Battle arena toshiden and the original dynasty warriors was better than the sequels because it was a fighting game. Their were so many good games I can think of in the day that were good like the good games right now. Oh Square Enix needs to bring back parasite eve and the crono trigger series and someone needs to bring final fight type games back they kicked ass. Unregistered - To #90 and #98 09.17.2005 17:42 Listen man ( #90 )... if they can at anytime stop the demo and rotate the camera to pan out, zoom in or fly around the map and then be able to change lighting effects and such on the fly is proof and debunks your clain of CGI. If you honesly think it's CGI then you're just being stupid. I'm beginning to think you're the brainwashed one and quite possibly a XBOX fanboy. To #98, of course by stopping the demo and showing it's real time doesn't show it's gameplay. But... for fucks sake, this is Metal Gear Solid and Hideo Kojima. When.? WHEN? When, do I ask you has he let us down in terms of gameplay. Ludacrious. It's like people are just finding the most assinine thinks to nit-pick about. Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 17:47 http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656 There's a link to Kojima proving the MGS4 demo was realtime. Please look up the facts before you try and speak them. Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:10 I believe the game can be played in 2 different ways, the standard view which we are all used to and first person view, like playing a first person shooter. I havent looked at the video the author of this article posted, but if you have seen the extended version of the movie, you actualy see ingame footage right at the begining, through a soldiers eyes, until snake grabs the soldier, basicaly what you see in the movie, is the quality of graphics you will see in gameplay. There is also a realtime movie, where they pan and go around snake, and change lighting effects, so any nah sayers out there better be prepared to eat their words, when this game gets released, its real and you better believe it. Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:27 Here's the extended movie http://www.jeux-france.com/ftp/Divers/Metal_Gear_Solid_4.wmv I believe you can switch between viewpoints within the game at anytime (normal metalgear style/FPS style) The first person shooter style of camera will also be used in the upcomming MGS3 Subsistence. Unregistered - Truth 09.17.2005 18:34 Note: Konami never said that this was gameplay footage, but a trailer rendered in real-time. MGS games have always used cinematic sequences that are rendered in real-time using the in-game engine. ---- Ta-daaa! No one was saying this is gameplay footage so those trying to say it is are wrong. It's simply real-time cinematic footage being rendered by the PS3 dev kit. Which, I might add are currently not using the RSX GPU and are running on half ( 256mb ) the RAM the final PS3 will have. And to #103, I really hope we get an option to switch between full blown FPS and familiar MGS third person aspect on the fly. That would add alot to the gameplay in my view. Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:42 Kojima actualy mentioned it in an interview, being able to switch views in realtime anywhere in the game. Kojima said he gets camera sickness, with FPS cameras but he's testing it with MGS3 subsistence then putting it in MGS4. Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 18:54 here's the interview I was taliking about, http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html Unregistered - Dev 09.17.2005 19:44 Here's the shorter higher quality movie of MGS4 its about 30meg: http://xboxattitude.free.fr/videos/mgs4_tgs2005.wmv Unregistered - havoc 09.17.2005 21:18 In every mgs game when it goes to non game-play footage or a cut scene they use the same graphics as the actuall gameplay. So even in the footage you see when you first turn on a mgs game it's the same as how the game will look. It's similar to grand theft auto's cutescenes they look just like the game. More than likely the very first begining of the mgs4 trailer will be how the game will play. Unregistered - lildaddy 09.17.2005 23:09 Whoa! Sticks and Stones..........usually when people get upset and start calling names, without making any valid point its because they don't like to hear the truth. Lets just be honest here, cutscences are cutscneces whether they take place before the game, in the middle of the game, or at the end, in some cases the cutscenes may still be considered realtime, but lets face it, if you're not physically playing the cutscence its all the same, every MGS title is full of them, and just like in all the previous MGS games and most all games for that matter the cutscenes are always a little sharper and crisper than the in-game playable graphics. Im not knocking MGS4, actually if you read all my comments, I keep saying that I know Kojima will make a great game, like all the previous titles, Im simply calling it what it is, but some people try to deny the truth, split hairs, so that they sound smart, "aahhh technically speaking if its running on the in-game engine then its still considered realtime...so Im right and you're wrong ha,ha!"....come on grow up if you are not physically playing whats being shown on the screen then its not truly realtime, so go ahead and use whatever terminology you like, be you can't get around that one fact. Lastly, I made the simple but true statement that XBOX was cleary farther ahead no duh?-they will launch in about 2 months, the point I was trying make is that Kojima has plenty of time to make MGS4 in-game playable graphics as good as what we saw, so why if you disagree with a PS3 fan, then you have to be an XBOX fanboy?, thats ridicolous because I own all 3 systems, and I'll probably at least buy a 360 and PS3. So I'm expecting a great game just like all the rest of the PS3 fans. Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 00:02 Sorry, still wrong. If you go back and actually do your homework you'd know that all PS2 MGS games have used the same graphics for both cutscenes and gameplay. I could only find one, ONE, instance where this little fact was debunked and that was on the Gamecube. In MGS: The Twin Snakes, the cutscenes were dropped from 60 fps, to 30 fps to make use of full scene anti-aliasing. Since the PS2 is incapable of full scene anti-aliasing this wouldn't be an option and therefore they'd have no reason or way of making the cutscenes any sharper or more detailed then they already were. Now, in the case of MGS4, could they have possibly spruced up the graphics slightly to make it more appealing since such little tricks like full scene anti-aliasing can be used? I don't know, and neither do you. However, based on Hideo Kojimas track record I don't think thats the case and what we've seen is only half, if not less, of what the PS3's capable of. As I'm sure I've mentioned before, the PS3 devkit which is currently being used to make the MGS4 trailer is only running off 256mb ( half of the final systems RAM ) and a Nvidia 7800 GTX graphics card which significantly less powerful that the final PS3's Nvidia RSX GPU. Unregistered - Furious 09.18.2005 01:11 The direct feed is now posted on the metal gear site! !http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html! This is truely the best footage I have seen for the next gen. The only other trailer that compares is the Res.5 footage, but Capcom has not confirmed that the footage was in game. Personally I think the trailer is more impressive that the infamous Killzone trailer. Honestly I think the footage is more impressive than GOW I like the character design in MGS4 the characters do not look plastic... Just my 2 cents. Let the flamming begin! Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 01:27 Thanks for the heads up on the trailer man. Unregistered - Furious 09.18.2005 01:32 I have to take back my original comment concerning Killzone I watched the trailer again after watching the MGS4 direct feed and it's still the most impressive trailer. I know the K2/K3 footage is not the in game engine, but the MGS4 footage shows the quality is possible. I doubt we will see it in the first batch of games, but eventually we will... I don't want to start the whole Killzone debate again, but that trailer is incredible. I just can't wait for the next batch of consoles we are in for a fun ride!!! Unregistered - King J 09.18.2005 01:40 Whoopty do, the same cinematic touched up show piece we've already seen. You should be proud of yourself, you saved the world with that bit of information. Furious 09.18.2005 01:43 The footage is a direct feed with better res. Get a clue and don't waste space on the board with bullshit comments. Don't hate appreciate... Unregistered - Soulman 09.18.2005 01:47 Sorry #110 and have to agree with 109, the cutscences in all the previous MG's do look slightly better than the actual gameplay. I dont know why but they do. Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 02:02 Could you please explain how the MGS cutscenes seemingly look magically better than actual gameplay? Does Kojima and Co. have some mysterious way of pulling high resolution textures out of their ass? Or rather, did they unlock some hidden hardware that allows for full scene anti-aliasing? It's just not possible. Perhaps in the Gamecube version like I stated above, but not in the PS2 versions, sorry. Unless someone can prove that the cutscenes look better with technical explanations then that's my stance on the matter. Unregistered - Soulman 09.18.2005 02:09 Truth is it? or How about Blind! Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 02:15 Come up with that all by yourself? Pat yourself on the back, poke a gold sticker on your forehead and keep walking down the moron trail buddy. Anyways... yes, there are slight differences with the direct feed trailer compared to the one I'm sure everyone has seen the past few days. Odd. I wonder if this hints at two trailers? Overall I thought the trailer was wonderful. I just hope a higher resolution one is released that I can enjoy at - at least 1024 resolution. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.18.2005 02:15 #89. Once again you speak the truth i like when you stick your hard dick in my ass and tell me how it is. Its about time someone in here has some sense. And you say it without cursing every other word. Thanks baby. Furious 09.18.2005 02:22 What's the deal with 120 too bad we can't band idiots from posting... Unregistered - me myself and I 09.18.2005 02:46 I want gameplay footage. Chrome Hounds gameplay looks better to me. I am not a fanboy, just a real boy. Sony has not shown gameplay footage yet. Do you know what that is? Well here you go. http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/665/665181/vids_1.html Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 02:53 Well of course they're not going to show gameplay yet, the console is a little more than 8 months away. The XBOX 360 is what, 2 months away? They HAVE to show footage or else no one will but their system at launch. It's all about marketing. Wait untill E3 2006 or right before the PS3's launch for the explosion of gameplay. Unregistered - me myself and i 09.18.2005 03:33 I don't care how far launch is away. If the PS3 is the big shit then they have gameplay footage. M$ showed gameplay on alpha kits why not Sony? Sony lies alot. But we will see when it hits the street. Still a good TECH DEMO and thats it. I will not pay $50-$70 for a tech demo. I like to play my games. Still might get a PS3. But I want gameplay now. I thought this is what TGS was about. Mybe Sony should have kept the PS3 away. The whole problem is they don't what us the see them as frauds untill we spend $. I hope I don't spend $300-$500 on a console that will not live up to the hype like PS2. That was such a graphical rip. And if you are a Sony fan you can't help but to be upset about this. Good perifs little support. I wanted my emotion engine to show emotion. I wanted toy story graphics, I got block headed GTA. And they redesigned to console, but did not support the HDD. Great online play was a promise also. I hope the PS3 lives up to the hype. If they don't will we trust them for PS4. I bet I won't burn me twice and I will not support you anymore. Unregistered - Mr Big 09.18.2005 03:56 When well you dumbass 360/PS3 fans learn that both these companies are in the business to make money, they both will claim that their system is superior to the other -thats business 101, just like Xbox and PS2 did, now look at both systems, X looks slighty better to me but theres no major difference, just depends on what games you want to play. Kojima would never do this or that, like you fucking know him personally don't be a dumbass Kojima and Sony are partners in crime, he'll say whatever they tell him to. and all of you lying PS3 faggs are going to get an 360 and all you lying Xbox punks are going to buy a PS3, unless of course the shit is too fucking high, who the hell does that guy think he is, you going to want to work hard for a PS3???? Fuck him, this is America, remember NEO GEO was suppose to be so great, but we are not going to kiss your ass for the shit! Unregistered - Truth 09.18.2005 04:06 The PS2 was a graphical rip? Are you a gamer? I guess not, because if you were you'd now that graphics aren't anything. Gameplay always comes first, then graphics. Always has, always will be. You would also know that if you were a Playstation fan having to endure the taunts of laughter of fellow gamers at their inferior hardware. Yeah, my PS2 can't crank out the graphics of some computer in a box... so what? Why games are more fun than yours and I have more of a selection so in the long run I win. God of War, GTA, GT, MGS2/3, Smackdown!, and so many more plus the Playstation one archive of games lead to endless gaming. The PS2 has come a long way since Ridge Racer on it's launch and I'm happy I bought one. I have my friend if I wan't to play the XBOX or Gamecube so I win either way, however I don't need graphics to make my gaming experience any better. I still break out the NES, SNES and Sega Master System to play Metroid, Super Mario Brothers 3 and so on and so forth. So, like I said before. The XBOX 360 comes out November 22nd, they HAVE to show gameplay or else their system won't sell. Sony doesn't HAVE to show gameplay yet because they have a little over 8 months before their launch of the PS3. When they want to show gameplay, they'll show it. I'm not Sony, you're not Sony, no one knows their stragety by apparently it's working as they've sold over 200 million Playstation units and the hype for their machine is huge even though they haven't shown an ounce of gameplay footage. All I can say is deal with it for now... everyone else is. When it comes it'll come in a tidalwave and you'll be glad you waited. Unregistered - Concern Gamer 09.18.2005 05:29 aaah for those that have been dieing to see an actual in-game demo of the ps3(aside from gundam) now you can at gamespot.com check out the news section.the game is sonic and it looks great so far and was running off a ps3 dev ket,so check it out! Unregistered - Mickus 09.18.2005 06:08 http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000277059281/ Unregistered - fuzzylogic 09.18.2005 06:57 |