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09 Sep 2005 06:25 | DragonFly | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
A few days ago we reported that a company named Ageia had supposedly performed a physics test on both the XBox 360 and PS3. It stated that the 360 couldn't handle certain physics in games. Ageia has now retracted the statement claiming they don't know what each system can handle. So as we suspected the whole circus started because of a communication error between Ageia and the press.
"The summary of the information below is that AGEIA would like to go on record that we do not have data to support performance comparisons for the PS3 or Xbox360 that would impact any of our physics features," Keane said in an email, which was also sent to other news organizations. "Specifically, statements that the Xbox360 cannot run fluid simulations are not correct. In addition, conclusions about relative performance should not have been stated or implied in our presentations."
In an interview, Keane acknowledged that the original claims regarding the Xbox 360, as reported by ExtremeTech, were a part of the presentation. However, the Ageia employees that presented at the European GDC did not develop the presentation, and did not provide the information in its proper context, Keane said. The slide has since been removed, he added. "We really have no clue," Keane said in an interview, regarding the capabilities of the Xbox 360 and its ability to process the Ageia physics SDK, known as Novodex. However, the company has tested Novodex on single-core and dual-core PC processors, as well as the Ageia chip, so those comparisons remain valid, Keane said. The benchmarks run on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 simply tested to see if the SDK would run, and do not provide performance data, unlike the performance tests run on the PC systems. In videos shown in the presentation, the physics computations of the boulder demonstration were running in software in the first case, typically between 4-6 frames per second on high-end PC processors, consuming almost all of the CPU cycles, Keane said. The second demo, performed using the PhysX processor, consumed about 20 percent of one processor and generated between 40 and 50 frames per second.
Keane, who was a former vice president of marketing at graphics-chip pioneer 3Dfx, said evaluating physics processing would prompt its own set of debates, in much the same way a graphics chip's performance is heavily scrutinized. "That's why we think that benchmarking physics is going to be as big a war as [benchmarking] a GPU," Keane said. You can read the full story at ExtremeNano Add Comment  1 -
Unregistered - neutral 09.09.2005 09:41 I figured that much. Both systems are going to be about the same in peformance. I will be getting both since both have excellent exclusive titles! 2 -
Thats rightDusty 09.09.2005 09:50 Both systems are going to be great, people need to stop hating the consoles they don't have or don't plan to get. Personally I play games I don't play consoles, I am looking just as much forward to playing MGS4 on PS3 as Halo 3 on the 360. 3 -
Daddy has spoken once agian!Unregistered - Daddy 09.09.2005 10:33 Is this really surprising? I mean really....we are talking about PiS3 here. PiS3 fanboys will believe anything hahahahaha....... 4 -
That is so trueUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.09.2005 11:11 They will beleive anything. Ken Kutaragi:"The PS3 will be able to cook for you and have sex with you." PiS3 Fanboy:"Wow. Now I will never have to find a girl who can tolerate my stupidity." 5 -
Lucid360 09.09.2005 11:56 lmao @ #4 .... i AGREE TOTALLY with #1... There will be minor differences that each system will have as pluses... Xbox online communityy is tons better than PS, and the PS has a good set of exclusive titles... The Xbox also. The Playstations minor graphics lead will be negligible to the normal eye in the hands of equally knowledgible programmers. 6 -
HELLOUnregistered - ANS 09.09.2005 15:18 Hello ps3 and and xbox 360 fans.I knew this would happen wen i read the news about the Geforce 7800 and RSX.First it said geforce7800 is stronger then Rsx and then Rsx is stronger than geforce so dont believe on these stories nothing can be told unless both syestems comes out.These sites r really fuckin shit they just wanna make the fans of both consoles do a war against each other and abuse over each other. FUCK THESE SITES THEY R A LIE. 7 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.09.2005 17:19 XBOX360 RULES 8 -
steupezUnregistered - snot 09.09.2005 18:39 fuckbox 360 totally sucks...xbox 360 coming out to beat the ps2 in graphics because xbox graphics wasn’t hotter.......u stupid assholes 9 -
"Hey Ageia, it's Bill"Unregistered - Jordan 09.09.2005 19:15 Ring Ring. "Hello?" "Hi Ageia, this is Bill over at Microsoft. What is this I here about you guys saying the PS3's CELL chip is better at handling physics?" "Well, yes... the SPE's are better suited for our engine." "Ageia, I would like to remind you about the lucrative contract we have to utilize your software on all 360 Dev kits. I would also like to remind you that we can that we can promote your competitor Havok physics and make your PC business much tougher" "I understand Bill, what should we do?" "Play dumb, you don't have to take everything back just say you don't know and people will eat it up" "Bill, do you mean a 'non-denial denial'?" "Exactly. Get it done." Bill puts down his phone, wipes his brow, and curses Ageia under his breath. 10 -
umfff~ leathel 09.09.2005 20:47 How is a company trying to benchmark the two consoles to start off with? I'm pretty sure that they work so much different and the software wouldn't test the consoles potential of neither consoles. that is really dumb... 11 -
sorryUnregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.10.2005 04:48 sorry ps3 sony fanboy boy toys you lose bitchs 12 -
omgzUnregistered - lardface 09.10.2005 07:27 xbox 360 will lose the war. When this hit the news PS3 was better Bill Gates probably hitched a deal with ageia as stated above. xbox360 will be the best when released but once ps3 out then itz ass will b kicked 13 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.10.2005 07:46 Such a load of bull! PS3 fanbitches when the heard that supposedly ageia said that ps3 was better than xbox 360 at physics! The second this state was retracted bcoz it was not true! PS3 Fanboys:Bill gates paid ageia to say it did not say that! SUre ps3 fanboys!You had what u thought better physics but now cry cry....boo.hoo....... Think last generation there was xbox more powerful but the graphics were made for the lowest common denominator. Meaning they made the game 4 the weakest computer graphics wise and then done the same thing for the more powerful console so they would not have to make 2 versions of the same game!examples:all ea titles etc. To tired to think of anymore but any multiplatform game will have the same graphics! 14 -
#9Lucid360 09.10.2005 11:55 Shorter one happened before that phonecall from the Microsoft Lawyers stating if they really enjoyed having a business to please clarify the chaos of the tests, or they will be owned my microsoft. 15 -
Um what war?Unregistered - xero coo1 09.10.2005 12:42 The war is made by the gaming companies just to get their sales up because it gets the fanboys all excited. Look, both are going to be amazing and have awesome graphics. So please...stop fighting about the consoles. Oh by the way have you noticed that PS3 hasn't released any screenshots from the PS3 games of actual gameplay unless the game is for both systems? It's only been the game trailers. Hmm... 16 -
......Unregistered - dragn avengr 09.11.2005 02:53 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! 17 -
Unregistered - xero coo1 09.11.2005 12:12 any comments? 18 -
uhhh yeahUnregistered - the man 09.11.2005 14:52 your a fag 19 -
REPLY TO #9Unregistered - neutral 09.11.2005 15:26 So you saying that Sony did the same thing to Nvidia, when Nvidia said that the ps3 is going to be less powerful then 2 7800 GT cards???? then they switched the story around the next day. 20 -
Unregistered - xero coo1 09.11.2005 15:41 Real mature the man. Show me gameplay footage of a PS3 game that is not prerendered or on both systems then you guys can start talking smack about the xbox again. 21 -
GUNDAMUnregistered - the man 09.11.2005 16:13 www.ign.com GUNDAM for PS3 22 -
Reply to #19's reply to #9Unregistered - Me 09.11.2005 16:36 NO, with Nvidia the statement was misread or mistyped. This is different, This company made a bold straight forward statement in a presentation it was giving. I for one think they were telling the truth and didnt think about it before they said it. And they may have very well recieved correspondence from Microsoft to help then to decide to change the statment. Now I like xbox to but some of you are just afraid its true so you will say what ever to make yourself feel better about it. I hate to break it to you but PS3 will most likely be better. After all, This is SONY and that says enough right there. 23 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.11.2005 17:43 Actually, even Gundam is prerendered, it's just supposedly prerendered using the engine the game is going to use. There's still quite a difference, they don't have to worry about alot of things that affect FPS, so they can soop up the graphics. 24 -
Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 09.11.2005 17:45 #22, It's not really that realistic, X360 should be easily capable of extremely advanced phsyics in general, if there was any case of it not working. It would be more likely be faulty programming by Aegis that would cause such a test to fail. I think it was more like they were asked to back up their claim by, of course, several party's, and it came out it was more a future guess of what would happen IF they would even subject the X360 to rigorous testing. 25 -
1st thingskooby 09.12.2005 23:48 1st thing to remember is that Sony hasn't released hardware yet. 2nd thing is that MS just released final hardware last week (to selected developers). There whole premise is flawed, better to wait for actual machines in 2006 (or 2007 for PS3) and then run a test. 26 -
The one guy was right....Unregistered - Anonymous Pimp 09.16.2005 16:01 You guys do believe everything sony says. 27 -
To # 26Unregistered - Fuzzylogic 09.17.2005 22:16 If they dont have the hardware yet, how did they run any tests at all? read what the author of this article posted again, here I'll help you "The benchmarks run on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 simply tested to see if the SDK would run, and do not provide performance data, unlike the performance tests run on the PC systems." The thing is I saw these tests posted on Ageia's site, and then all of a sudden, they change their mind, I cant think why? Add Comment |
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