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08 Feb 2006 01:20 | Webmaster | Gaming PS3Today.com | Link to this article
In an open letter addressed to the U2 vocalist Bono, Jack urges a "fellow brother in Jesus Christ" not to proceed in a buyout of Take-Two and its GTA franchise. We are looking forward to read Bono’s reply to this, if he will reply at all that is… Re: Your Possible Purchase of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Dear Bono: I write you as a fellow brother in Jesus Christ, appreciative of your bold witness to the transforming truth of the Gospel, in both your words and your deeds. You daily "fight the good fight," serving Him as salt and as light in an unbelieving world. You inspire other Christians to confront the "culture of death" that surrounds us all, and I thank you. Because of what you do, it is easier for me to do what I have been called to do. I write to encourage you, respectfully and in a spirit of brotherly love, not to purchase Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. It is reported in the New York Post and in the San Francisco Chronicle that your Elevation Partners is engaged in talks to do just that. See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/07/EDGU9GJD7D1.DTL Allow me to provide some of the reasons why I make this fervent suggestion: 1. I appeared on CBS' 60 Minutes twice last year on behalf of two Alabama police officers and a dispatcher killed by a teen who trained on Grand Theft Auto: Vice City to kill them. We are now proceeding toward trial in our wrongful death action on their families' behalf, buoyed by three affidavits sworn to by experts who have testified before the US Congress as to this copycatting phenomenon that the American Psychological Association in August 2005 says is now irrefutably proven. Thus, if you buy Take-Two and its Grand Theft Auto franchise, you will be buying a Mature-rated murder simulator marketed and sold to teen that has been linked by law enforcement officials to numerous, specific, provable copycat killings around the country. I have appeared on roughly 70 national television programs, including NBC's Today show eight times, recounting the causation of these copycat events. More such events are on the way. Take-Two, whoever owns it, will have to deal with those pigeons when they come home to roost in the months and years ahead. Indeed, the most recent such incident tying Take-Two to murder was found in the 18-year-old Jacob Robida who went from carving up homosexuals in a "gay bar" in New Bedford, Massachusetts, to a "sucide by cop" shoot-out in Gassville, Texas. Three lay dead. Robida was an obsessive gamer, whose games included, according to detectives in Massachusetts, the Grand Theft Auto games whose scenarios he replicated precisely. In fact, the above-noted Chronicle editorial which encourages you not to buy Take-Two mentions the Oakland, California, gang called the "Nutcases," which used Take-Two Grand Theft Auto III as a carjacking and murder simulator. The older gang members trained the younger ones with the Take-Two game in order to both show how to carjack and to get "pumped up" to carjack. Said one perpetrator in jail: "We played the game by day and lived the game by night." I could cite to you dozens of similar incidents that tie GTA to murder. Is this what you want to own, along with all its coming liabilities, both legal and spiritual? 2. Take-Two has, in its most recent 10-K disclosure statement filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, lied to the investment community about the nature of its potential liabilities. For example, here we are proceeding toward trial in Alabama, most likely in January 2007, and yet Take-Two has told the investment community in its January 31, 2006, 10-K that our Alabama wrongful death action is utterly without merit. That is a lie, and a provable lie. Take-Two, therefore, is lying to the same SEC that busted it for fraudulent accounting practices, to the tune of $8 million in 2005, for "parking violations" in misstating the number of games it had sold. The SEC is also investigating Take-Two for insider trading. Are you relying upon Take-Two's own assessment of the validity of those federal investigations? Secondly, Take-Two has agreed to indemnify all other corporate defendants in the Alabama case for any verdict amounts against them. Did the Take-Two principals with whom your Elevation Partners is negotiating disclose that? Those co-defendants whose verdicts Take-Two has promised to reimburse include Wal-Mart and GameStop (who sold the Mature-rated games to a minor) and also Sony. Take-Two has agreed to this remarkable indemnification plan in a state-Alabama-that the Wall Street Journal reports has the highest verdicts against corporate defendants in the nation. Why are the verdicts so high? Because Alabama has a wrongful death statute, held constitutional, which grants money damages to bereaved plaintiffs not actual damages but solely punitive damages that are to be high enough to make sure that the corporate defendants will never do what they did again. Do you think a jury in Alabama, in the town in which their cops, with whom the townsfolk were on a first-name basis, are going to cut a break for the company that trained their killer how to kill them more efficiently. Alabamians are proud to say they are "the buckle of the Bible Belt." They don't like companies that facilitate the murder of cops. Did Take-Two tell Elevation Partners about the real dangers to the very survival of Take-Two because of the Alabama suit? Did they also tell Elevation fully about the multiplicity of current fraud and also criminal investigations of Take-Two that are currently in full-swing? I am working with those investigations. You all need to talk to me to find out what a real danger is that they pose to Take-Two, despite the fraudulent assertions in the recent 10-K that they are all "without merit." That is akin to saying that AIDS poses no threat to life. Ridiculous. The market knows that they have merit, which is precisely why Take-Two stock has plummeted. 3. Sony and Take-Two designed the GTA: Vice City game to utilize the PS2's Dual Shock controller, which sends a visceral jolt back into the hands of the player each time he kills. Thus, the entire system is a biofeedback, operant conditioning system which desensitizes the user to the act of killing. Skinner would be proud. It is right out of his playbook. As you know, Elevation Partners has a strong relationship with Pandemic Studios, which designed Full Spectrum Command/Full Spectrum Warrior for the US Department of Defense at the Institute for Creative Technologies at USC. The primary purpose of this virtual reality simulator is to "suppress the inhibition to kill of new recruits." If you doubt that, then please contact Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, retired Army Ranger, former professor at West Point, nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, and identified by President Clinton as "the one man America should listen to as to why Columbine happened" through his www.killology.com. Three hundred or more days a year Grossman addresses police and military personnel about the psychological cost of killing and how virtual reality is used to get people to kill. I have addressed the American Bar Association with Col. Grossman, on the same stage, twice. He and I are brothers in Christ and brothers on this issue. How, then, can Take-Two claim that its killing simulators do not desensitize teens to the act of killing when the video game industry, especially your partner, Pandemic, takes taxpayer dollars from the DOD to design games that do just that, biofeedback controls and all? You recently shared the cover of Time with Microsoft's Bill Gates as two of its "Persons of the Year." Good for all three of you. I assume you think Gates a man of intellect. Here is what he said recently on 60 Minutes: "These action games transport you to a world you think is real." Exactly. That is why they are dangerous. Brain scan studies at Harvard University, Indiana University, Michigan State University, and elsewhere prove that teens process these killing games in a different part of the brain than do adults, which is why copycatting is far more likely to occur by them. I was even portrayed in a Law and Order: SVU episode last year called "Game" in which teens were copycatting the Grand Theft Auto games in killing women by running over them with cars and then stomping them to death, as the 60 Minutes story itself showed. Thus, even Hollywood knows of the murderous power of the GTA game franchise you are negotiating to buy. 4. Take-Two is set to release in 2006 a game called Bully. This is a Columbine simulator that allows a student in a virtual school, whose slogan is "Dog Eat Dog," to bludgeon his classmates and teachers with bats to "settle scores." Every expert on bullying who is aware of the content of this game has called on Take-Two not to release, so sure are they that Bully will spawn more school violence. Is that what you want to be affiliated with? Take-Two has lied to the public about what is actually in this game, which lie is proven by the images in screenshots which I have been provided by an industry source. I can hear Take-Two saying to you, Bono, if I were to show you these clandestine screenshots, "Who are you going to believe, Bono; us or your lying eyes?" 5. The Apostle Paul tells us in the Bible (2 Corinthians) that believers must not be "unequally yoked" to unbelievers. You, a devout Christian, cannot be yoked to these Mature-rated murder simulators fraudulently, deceptively, and aggressively marketed to children. It will serve as a refutation of your Christian twitness, which is precisely what even the secular-minded San Francisco Chronicle has identified as the incongruity of your being yoked with such an enterprise. If you want to believe Take-Two that it does not want kids to buy these Mature-rated killing games, then why does Take-Two have its lawyers in court rooms across America alleging that children have a "First Amendment right" to buy these Mature-rated games? Hmmm? As Forrest Gump might say, "Stupid is as stupid does." One of the plaintiffs in our 60 Minutes-reported Alabama case is Steve Strickland, an ordained Methodist minister. Bono, you need to talk to him and to me about the incredible evil that Take-Two has knowingly dumped into the lives of young people. Steve lost his brother to the virtual-to-reality mayhem caused by Take-Two. The bestselling author, Malcolm Gladwell, has explained in his book Blink why the killing video games lead boys to kill in "the blink of an eye." Jesus himself warned: "If any of you should cause one of these little ones to stumble, then it would be better for you that a millstone be tied around your neck and that you be cast into the uttermost depths of the sea." Unless you, Bono, and your Elevation Partners plan to buy Take-Two for the purpose of incinerating the Grand Theft Auto games and the other murder simulator titles that Take-Two owns, such as Manhunt, which caused a hammer-bludgeoning death in Leicester, England and which has been banned for sale even to adults in Australia and New Zealand, then you will be tying a millstone around your own neck. +++++ Bono, I could go on, as there is much more to tell you, but you get the idea. We need to meet. You need to hear what I know and what Take-Two will not tell you and the others at Elevation Partners about what their true liabilities are. There is a reason that Take-Two's CEO Paul Eibeler was voted by MarketWatch "The Worst American CEO in 2005." Paul Eibeler is a liar who got caught lying to the world in the "Hot Coffee" mod scandal." Take-Two buries in its aforementioned 10-K, in Section 7, that there might be more "Hot Coffee" material in other Take-Two games that are already out there. Did Take-Two tell you that? I prepped Senator Hillary Clinton for her July 2005 news conference on the Hot Coffee matter. I convinced her that what I and others were saying about Take-Two was true. She went with it, and three days later the ESRB proved to the world that I had told her the truth. The US House of Representatives voted 355-21 to condemn and investigate Take-Two for its fraud. That FTC investigation is in full swing, and yet Take-Two tells the world in its 10-K that the multiplicity of shareholder derivative actions based on this proven fraud are baseless. Even King Canute had the sense not to order the tide not to come in. Take-Two's tide will come in, and it will drown Elevation Partners. Bono, whom are you going to believe as you make a decision whether to buy Take-Two? Are you going to believe the liars who got caught lying, or are you going to believe a fellow believer in Christ who has been targeted for actual harm by Take-Two and its dissembling Philadelphia lawyers at Blank Rome? Let me tell you about that, in conclusion. I received yesterday a letter from the Justice Department informing me that it has opened a criminal investigation of the efforts, involving Take-Two and its giant Philadelphia law firm, Blank Rome, to violate criminal statute 18 USC 241 in order to harass me into silence about Take-Two. I could fill another ten pages with descriptions of the criminal activity by Take-Two and Blank Rome toward me, but I can tell you about all that if and when we meet. I am trying to keep you, dear brother, from being run over by a careening bus. I do this to help you. A brother in Christ has now warned you. Now, do the right thing, in His powerful name I pray. In Jesus Christ, Jack Thompson ------------------------------------------------------------ Add Comment Hmm 02.09.2006 10:05 Rofl Unregistered - hardwood2001 02.09.2006 11:25 oh shut the hell up already! Halo3Sniper01 02.09.2006 11:44 Shut the hell up would somebody kill him already im sure someone out there wants to play some guy to do this just hurry out and get on with it. ROFL Unregistered - Whatever 02.09.2006 12:17 This is they guy that wants to blame everone but himself for his own actions. If a kid kills 2 cops and he blames it on a video game, he was going to do with or with out theat game eventually. We have come to a point in our socaity that no one can take responsablitly for there own actions. If I get drunk and decide to drive and kill someone one its my fault, not the fault of the beer maker or the bar or the store that sold it to me. Parents need to talk to there children and make sure they are mature enough to play video games and undrstand the differnce. Perhaps in stead of setting an age as to when people can buy certian games , movies, beer, vote ect. We should have sometime of formilized test (state or fedral) for the parents (gaurdiens) and the kids Hmm 02.09.2006 15:14 Couldnt have said it better myself. BillGatesSucks 02.09.2006 15:41 A man driving down a highway in his new RV puts on the cruise control and goes to the back of the RV to make himself a sandwich. The RV, of course, careens out of control and off the highway. The man sues the manufacturers of the RV for millions and WINS claiming he was never instructed that cruise control was only for maintaining a constant speed, that it was not in fact an "auto-pilot" of sorts. TRUE STORY people. Where is the accountability gone? There is something very wrong with a society when the practise is to point the finger somewhere else. Blaming video games developers for the actions of a demented teenager? Hey, while we're at it, let's blame the miner who works for the company who mined the metal that made the bullets that the teenager used to shoot and murder the cops. Let's blame everyone else except those who are really responsible. Where the hell were the parents? They were so uninvovled in their kid's life they couldn't see there was something wrong? If they want to point fingers I suggest they look in a mirror while doing it. Unregistered - DG 02.09.2006 18:36 Just hope this hoopla media circus doesnt get out of hand before the PS3/360 version of GTA comes out after that, ehh. Unregistered - corey 02.09.2006 18:42 This guy makes people with the slightest ammount of faith look like retards. Thanks a lot Big-T! Unregistered - d0x 02.09.2006 18:45 So those "Gang" members who were using GTA to "train" people how to jack cars...i can only imaging the poor look on those kids faces when they ran up to a (real) car with their PS2 or Xbox controller, hit the button and found nothing happened..man they must have felt like failures. Lets be honest here, this guy is a blatant nutjob who is good at one thing. Convincing people who dont know better into doing things they wouldnt do...kind like a drug dealer...interesting Unregistered - Grant 02.09.2006 19:01 who can't even write a gramatically sound letter? "Three lay dead" - should be lie, not lay. Unregistered - guest 02.09.2006 19:17 "Three lay dead" is correct. "Lay" is "lie" in the past tense. And grammar has two M's. Unregistered - GTA 02.09.2006 19:41 This guy is a complete lunatic. Unregistered - Santa 02.09.2006 19:46 Jack - please, PLEASE, for the love of God, just keep your mouth shut and your pen locked away. In the same way that you connect murders to GTA, I can connect murders to tomatoes. "In his fridge there were four tomatoes, and the trash was full of tomato waste. The man was obviously obsessed with the red color of the tomato, and that's why he killed his victim with such brutality." *sigh* If you would start looking at some *real* statistics, you'd find that that as more so-called "violence simulators" have been introduced to the market, the violent crime rates have dropped accordingly. This is simple psychology - games like these lets people have a virtual outlet of aggression, instead of taking it to the real world. Killers are mentally ill - and this is not an illness caused by games, Jack. Unregistered - Sean 02.09.2006 20:14 It's official. Jack Thompson is completely and rediculously insane. Unregistered - theragu40 02.09.2006 20:24 There are no words in the English language vulgar enough to describe my extreme distaste for Jack Thompson and people like him. You don't have to be a gamer to appreciate the enormity of the fallacies he propogates. Then to bring God into it is blasphemy. On top of this, now he is aiming to thwart a good and honest man's business dealings using his own brand of biased, b******t propoganda. Jack Thompson isn't a good, religious man as he claims; he's slimy, vulturous zealot. Go back to hell where you came from, and stop hating on my passtime. Unregistered - pk_synths 02.09.2006 20:30 This can't be right. Gamer's don't leave their homes and actually participate in anything social besides running to the nearest 7-11 for a microwaveable burrito. Oh wait nevermind Xbox Live and WoW are social. ;P -PK PS. No flames. That was sarcasm from one gamer to another hehe bloop 02.09.2006 20:46 Thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever read!!!!!!!! I nearly fell off my seat laughing when I read the "training on Vice City" part. What the hell is he on???? If thats the case, then half the planet is capable of going out their front door, stealing any car they want, kill anyone they want, take over numerous crime related bussiness's, practically overrun an entire state for christs sake etc..................all thanks to our special crime "training" courtesy of GTA. What a complete f*cking idiot, its only a f*cking game. Unregistered - blah 02.09.2006 20:48 wow! someone kill jack thompson now. Hes an idiot craving for attention. Its okay, he has 20 years of life anyway, from that white hair, I dont think hell see next next generation consoles after this one. Unregistered - The Gooch 02.09.2006 22:02 Seriously people, Jack Thompson raises some good points here. Now I think we should all just .. AHAHAHAHAaaaaa.. no, he doesn't, he's a lameass showboating ambulance chaser trying to make a name for himself off of the bad fortune of the REAL WORLD victims of crime. Jack, you are a f***ing do**hebag scumball and you should be ashamed of yourself. Unregistered - Winsor 02.09.2006 22:05 Chill guys. Let's stop fueling the only thing the poor bastard has going for him. Dicck Thompson would have a fraction of his publicity if we stopped throwing misspelled antagonism at him. We really need more action like flowers for Jack. That's the stuff that really gets to him and sends the right message to everyone in the middle. Unregistered - stee 02.09.2006 22:10 no doubt many folks with violent "tendencies" enjoy playing video games. so it may be an easy news story to find killers who played killing games. but so do many, many other folks for whom playing the games are just a fun pastime. Did Donkey Kong addicts attack gorillas in zoos? Patrick 02.09.2006 22:44 Man this guy gives Christians a bad name, I grew up with my father a Minister and grandfather and Brother and brother in law all ministers. Yet I have played the Grand theft auto games and although they arent my favorite type of game, and i wouldnt let my 4 yr old play them, I have and found them entertaining. I dont think they should play along with these Killers and support them saying that GTA made them do it. Thats just like saying I watched Die hard and blew up the upper floors of a building cause Bruce willis made it look cool and entertaining. QUIT letting these idiots off by blaming entertainment. I love the Resident evil and silent hill games but have never ever considered blowing someones head off cause they looked like a zombie or something, I also love Delta force type games but again never shot anyone or thought about shooting anyone dressed in Camo. GET REAL. This Jack Thompson is an idiot and needs to get a life and stop trying to get rich and well known off bashing GTA. Its America, Freedom of speech and all, start telling us what to make and play and we lose what it is that makes us FREE. Let them blame games and win and they will move to blaming movies and then comics ... ect, where does it end? People Need to be responsible for the choices they make and should be dealt with harshly and not have the luxury of blaming something else... I'm done. Patrick 02.09.2006 22:48 oh and to #6 BillGatesSucks ... WELL SAID. Unregistered - Benito Juarez 02.09.2006 23:39 I play all these murder simulators so my attention span isnt that good, and my memory only functions when im thinking about killing, but for the life of me i cant remember this. Jack Thompson wrote "Jacob Robida who went from carving up homosexuals in a "g*y bar" in New Bedford, Massachusetts, to a "sucide by cop" shoot-out in Gassville, Texas. Three lay dead. Robida was an obsessive gamer, whose games included, according to detectives in Massachusetts, the Grand Theft Auto games whose scenarios he replicated precisely." In what GTA game "precisely" do you shoot up a g*y bar and then commit suicide by cop? Maybe I was too busy killing all the obviously homosexual characters that the gta series has to notice. And for those that dont know suicide by cop is when you dont have the cojones to kill yourself so you go out and do something stupid so a police officer will shoot you. I am reasonably sure AVOIDING being killed by police is a somewhat important part of any GTA game. How can Jack Thompson get away with such BLATANT lies? Unregistered - Rich 02.10.2006 01:31 All of you. Learn to spell. Your comments just look silly when "there speled liek this". "Sosiaty" ...? I mean, seriously? Don't try and use big words if you can't spell them. Stick to words with 3 letters. Unregistered - pk_synths 02.10.2006 01:41 #24 hit it on the head. Suicide by cops has been around for centuries. Mobsters did it in the 40s (they played video games), medieval crimals did it in the 17th century (they played video games), hostage takers did it since the beginning of time (those fools played video games too). It's all to blame on video games. It has nothing to do with 1. having no respect for humankind and society 2. being of sound mind 3. jealousy 4. religion 5. personal gain 6. lover's quarrel 7. revenge 8. self defence 9. just being stupid.......... it's the video games that are to blame. No one has the power or intention of commiting a murder or rape or rob or hate crime without playing a video game. It's that simple. No none of this existed since the FPS or "murder simulators" came out. .....GIMME A BREAK. It's called human nature and blame upon blame upon blame is just blame. Jack reminds me of those laywers that throw a basketball onto the highway and cause a 50 car pile up just so he can walk around and hand out his business card. Last time I checked almost all American based media glorifies violence, sexuality, hatred, bigamy, racism, and everything else under the sun. It's the people that choose to act not the media that makes them act. -PK Unregistered - unregistered 02.10.2006 01:58 I also agree with the main thrust of all this feedback, and i had similar thoughts to what several people wrote. (BTW... forgive me for any spelling/grammar errors... it's very late for me and i'm very tired :) Anyways... my thoughts... This guy is a complete moron. I also have enjoyed playing these types of games although i never bought any of them past GTA 2 cause they seemed to be the same old thing in a different city, but that's beside the point. My point is, i also enjoyed playing GTA because its a fun game. Does this mean i somehow harbor thoughts of killing people in the back of my mind? Does this mean that if i start playing them again that my "psyche" will one day catch up with me and make me start killing cops? Does this mean that if i am good enough at GTA and being "trained" in these criminal behaviors that i will someday be able to say steal a car and start running people over? Then magically after i have killed enough people the cops show up so i kill them? Then when i kill enough cops i will get 5 stars and within seconds the army will show up? Then because i have been well "trained" in what to do by playing so much will i be able to steal the army tank and drive around my city blowing up everything i want and be completely indestrucatble in my tank??? (if so maybe i will that sounds FUN... btw... incase it is not completely obvious yet i am trying to be COMPLETELY sarcastic here--- just incase this is monitored by law enforcement--lol) Where was i? oh yeah... my tank. So if for some reason if i decide to get out of my tank can i blame Take Two and sue them for all they're worth because its "their fault i did all that"? Am i not responsible for my actions? Are not EVERY single one of us born with a little something with a conscience? Those sick, messed up psychopaths that do go on these killing sprees are just that- sick, messed up psychopaths who CHOSE to IGNORE their conscience. By human nature there is something in us that tells us it is WRONG to kill... there's no way to logically argue that. Another thought... this guy is retarded! His thought process in this whole thing is like saying that the (delete the choice words that i would like to use in reference to these people) terrorists that were responsible for 9/11 should be allowed to blame Microsoft for what they did (or whichever flight simulator they supposedly used when they planned that horrific, sinful, heartless act that sad day). I understand this is a far fetch and maybe i'm getting off subject, but the way our society is heading today with the ridiculous lawsuits because there was no warning that specifically told you not to do what anyone with half a brain would never do, this is not that far fetched. There is NO accountability anymore. So by saying that Take Two is responsible for training the average gaming teenager to kill, is like saying the that flight simulator maker should be responsible for training terrorists. if people somehow bought into that thought (and i pray they never would), where would it end from there? Can every act of crime be blamed on some corporation because they made some type of game that has a virtual depiction of anything someone might think to do in real life? do we need to sue the companies that made games like duke nukem for killing? games like the sims for idk, maybe "teaching" the gamer to build a fence around someone so they cant use the bathroom, sleep, eat, etc. until they die? (come on dont try to say you never did that on the sims if you have played it- its pretty funny!) games like bomberman for training people how to blow stuff up? where would the madness end???? hopefully i have made my point. i am very tired so i'll shut up soon, but a couple more thoughts. i also am a christian and am very disappointed in the way this moron makes christians look. We are NOT all as stupid, naive, and braindead as he is. also... maybe i'm out of the loop but since when did bono start having such a strong christian testimony??? ok, i'm done now... how can i summarize my feelings about this in one sentence?... WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!! Unregistered - I was a US soldier 02.10.2006 03:31 Yea I hate the guy (I don't like religious extremist). It doesn't change the fact that Take Two stepped over a thin line with violence in video games. GTA sucked anyway -- I was bored with it. There is no fun or excitement in beating and shooting helpless people on the street. The plot sucked too. Aah now comes the stupid comments telling me who plays GTA for the Plot. Then what the HELL do you play it for - Senseless violence - ! True gamers play games that have a real story that may contain action, adventure, drama, or thrills and chills (horror). Do You think that in real life soldiers on the battlefield just go out and unload ammo gleefully looking for a gunfight that's bu$$sh!#. Have any of you shot at a live person before or how about shooting back at people trying to kill you but can't because there's a crowd of innocent people being used as a shield in front of you. It's nothing like the movies or video games. At least with Resident Evil and Call of Duty (or similiar games) there is a sense of purpose -- a goal of good vs evil (a plot like in RES. EVIL which you got to get you and the president's daught out alive and sometimes violence isn't an option). Some of you say that violence in games (but for the sake of arguement lets include book and movies) don't motivate people to be violent is like saying Porn magazines/movies don't motivate men and women sexually! Yea right! or why did the US Army come out with a videogame that gives gamers a sense of what it's like to be a soldier -- Because they hope that the game will entice you to become a freakn soldier. Anyway I'm out here, if you guys want realism the nearest thing (and it's still not that close) to reality is Stealth base videogames. Try MGS or Splinter Cell. Games like that with limited ammo is far more realistic and they both have a decent story-line that drives the action. TAKE TWO sucks and their games bite! Unregistered - booyakasha 02.10.2006 04:22 My god, what is wrong with this guy? Sir, i highly reccomend you seek help...immediately. Unregistered - John 02.10.2006 04:44 man you should try staying off the crack for more than a couple of seconds. anyone who thinks they can train themselves to kill police or rob cars by playing a console game must have more than a few screws loose. do yourself a favour and pull your head out of your a** long enough to have an actual looks at the game and you'll see how riculous you are. eejit!!! Unregistered - Annemie 02.10.2006 06:51 So.. We should all play *Barbie's horse adventure* in order to NOT become coldhearted killers.. All righty! Unregistered - Loki424 02.10.2006 07:11 Number 28, just curious and not trying to sound like a smartass, but are you in the military? I don't overly disagree with anything you said, but like I mentioned...I'm just curious. Unregistered - Loki424 02.10.2006 07:21 Nevermind...I'm an idiot. I didn't see the little gray text under your title. Looks like I need a nap. Unregistered - Kurt 02.10.2006 07:59 My favorite part is where Jack explained how there's no way the defendants in his whacko trial in Alabama can get a fair hearing. I wonder if the judge read your "Open Slander" -- oh, sorry, I mean "Open Letter", Jack?? CB75 02.10.2006 08:11 what's up with all the grammar police, who cares how people spell u get the d@mn point don't u? anyways, this guys is a jackoff and developers of the next gta need to make him a character in the game that u get to kill over and over and over then maybe one of those people that gets training from the game will take that education and apply it in real life. what a spoon this guy is. Unregistered - The Apostle 02.10.2006 08:55 although I find Jack Thompson an aggravating and ill informed boor, and the likelihood of Bono ever replying, he makes a legitimate point in his tirade; Bono claims to be a Christian and espouses those values. Jack is calling him on that claim. The activities in GTA are clearly against Christian teaching (pc disclaimer, also buddah, mohammed, confuscious, ghandi, mother theresa, and the new guy with the pointy hat in rome). My two cents, and worth every penny Unregistered - PapaPerv 02.10.2006 09:43 You all are a bunch of crazy FOGS!!! Let the man die with his own opinions!! Unregistered - Loki424 02.10.2006 09:57 Facts aside, I think we can all agree that Thompson's methodology is questionable at best. Also, it's not spelled 'boor'; it's spelled 'f*cktard'. That's a technical term, of course. Unregistered - SOME GUY. 02.10.2006 10:16 I hate the guy too, however... His overall point is... children should not be playing these games. I agree. He thinks they train them to do bad things. And they do... look at kids after watching ninja turtles or a violent cartoon. I agree. Kids should not be allowed to play these games.... HOWEVER>>>> Any ethical person knows that the responsibility for raising a child falls directly on the parent. Jack knows this, however, parents have no money. No point sueing parents... a guy needs to make a living off of large court settlements. This is all about money for Jack. That is all. If you think otherwise then you believe all his christian ramblings and maybe he is doing this out of some skewed view of his religion. That being said... Kids should only play games with a waiver signed by parents to the game developer.... OR sell / rent games like this in ADULT stores only. Why not? all the people over 18 will still go get them... if the company complains about revenue... then you know they were marketing to kids at walmart. Also, about the public in general... There are a lot more uninformed people than there are informed people. This was the whole premis of Bush's election campaign and it holds true for all elected officials, harp on something that sounds righteous and go with it. Unregistered - wiman 02.10.2006 11:36 The problem is not that kids play gta. The problem is that they can get hold of guns in the USA. People play this games in Europe where i live to. So why havent there been alot of "gta killings" over here? Maybe im wrong and stupid but thats how i see it. Unregistered - Riotsheld 02.10.2006 13:46 Did he really write this in the letter or is it a typo above: "It will serve as a refutation of your Christian twitness, which is precisely what even the secular-minded San Francisco Chronicle has identified as the incongruity of your being yoked with such an enterprise." Unregistered - I was a US soldier 02.10.2006 16:26 I did serve in the military. I also went to Iraq when it was a war and not this dangerous police action crap my buddies are enduring over there. I have one friend who was hit by a road side IED and still suffering phsycologically from the attack. He lost a couple of good friends and another is permanently injured. I was in the first wave of Iraqi freedom. One War was enough for me so I got out. I've seen alot of soldiers get really mess up trying a second term (heck some didn't make it through the first) in Iraq. I couldn't afford to role the dice with my life a second time. I almost died twice the first time but I survived and pushed on. I've got two boys to look after. I just want to add that videogames, unless it has a light gun that imitates the weapon, really can't train someone to kill. IT CAN desensitize people to violence and can even glorify it - which is what I personally think GTA does. All a gang member has to do is jack up a new recruit with drugs and put a bat, club, or gun in a kids hands and they believe they are instoppable and that their "In The Game" to copy a quote used by EA's Madden football. Some here mentioned that some of these kids would have done it regardless, and while that may be true, you wouldn't give a loaded gun to a lunatic or a sucide victim now would you. These kids with mental problems, as long as not entice and given ideas to do stupid stuff, usually won't and their mental problems are usually discovered before they do anybody bodily harm and may even be treatable. Games like GTA need to stay out of the hands of Children and we need laws because there are alot of sh$$bag parents out their who don't teach there kids squat or treat them with love and respect. These kids are prime recruits for gangs and terrorist. Heck -- if video simulation can train sharpshooters then maybe the terrorist in Iraq should play more video games (joke) because they shoot like crap! what's the saying can't hit the broadside of a barn. Maybe that's why there are so many IEDs in Iraq -- you don't need to aim as much. Unregistered - Clic 02.10.2006 16:40 some of you will say I play GTA and I wont kill anybody. That may be for you. But for other people it is a whole different crazy story. though the game is not real there is still a form of concept too it all. I dont mind bloody games but the way GTA represents its way of gameplay and story, it is wrong. I used too play gta but later on it got too me that it was a sick game. I can understand why you would want too play the game ( expecially for the ps3 ) but when you narrow it down its sick. bloop 02.10.2006 16:49 I agree that kids should not play GTA, thats obvious, but its not Take Two that are putting copies of the games in kids hands. Why is he going after Take Two?? Theyre just putting out a fun game that adults enjoy. I think he's targeting the wrong people here. Theyre not responsible for kids playing it, it has a mature rating for that reason. Besides, there are films I and Im sure you have seen that are a whole lot worse than GTA so why hasnt he said anything about the movie industry??? I love the GTA games and am really looking forward to the next, its harmless (and fictional with unrealistic graphics for that matter). This guy is just a fool trying to make a name for himself at our (the gamers) expense. Unregistered - Nick 02.10.2006 18:27 Dear Jack I would like to inform you GTA is not banned in New Zealand, it is simply R18. Please foad. Unregistered - mark, a marines brother 02.10.2006 18:30 a lot of people GTA is nasty...desensitizing(SP)...not realistic..and just plain wrong....i am a a FAN of GTA and i do own all 4 of the earliest one...(not the classics)......maybe this is just me, but when i play GTA i dont think of the people in the game as being "real"...i think of the people not even as people...they aer just parts of the game....i have probably logged in over 500hrs of GTA playing time...and i am still as squemish as ever...after i started playing it, i didnt start to go on the internet and look at graphic videos or pictures... but maybe i am the select few who sees it that way...but i think of it as most of the parents fault....they have to tell their kid(s) that this is just a game.... to the US soldier i am sorry for your losses, and my best friend, mike, is going to Iraq in Sept....he is a marine and he said that is his going to go atleast 3 times(or 3 tours is what i think it is called)....i dont know how it would be over there...i have never been in those situations...and would never want to be, that is why i did select myself to go into the service...but i dont see how anybody can relate GTA to anything real....or training....but maybe this is just me and mike....and maybe that is just becuase we have been playing videogames for so long that we already know that it isnt real, becuase it is just a game.... Unregistered - solo... 02.10.2006 19:16 What it ALL comes down to is parenting and the environment in which these psycho kids grow up in. Im not condoning that little kids should be able to play gta, but it would NOT be a factor in them doing something violent. Hey, numerous serial killers have been found with the book, "Catcher in the Rye". Are you telling me that book made people into serial killers? Hell no. And for those that say it desensitizes you. you see a lot worse on the evening news or nearly any primetime programming. my point is that these violent idiots are just violent idiots that happen to play violent games. Unregistered - I was a U.S. soldier 02.11.2006 06:40 Let me say this again. Books, videos, games (that includes video),music advertisements, etc.. they all influence people whether they know it or not. I'll use this example again since you must of missed it the first time. Porn -- your telling us that a Porn movies/magazines don't get men and woman aroused. Now comes the little quote from you I didn't say anything about Porn -- I used porn in place of GTA to make a point. All GTA is is Hard core violence. Just like Porn is selling Hard core sex to people, Take Two is selling Hard core violence to people. Why does Porn exist - because there are people who get off seeing Porn. Why does GTA exist - Because Take Two knows there are a bunch of sick violent Freaks out there who get off watching/reading violence and they are trying to find them and make a buck regardless whose hands it may fall too and what may come of it. Problem is these poeple get bored watching the fake stuff so they start experimenting and try the real thing for kicks. Porn freaks who get bored eventually end up trying to imitate what they watch in their videos/mags and the same goes for the violent freaks whether it be books, internet, magazines, movies, and yes -- videogames. There have been books taken off the market, movies, magazine, and internet sites have been shut down because of Ultraviolence and propaganda(heck even the Porn industry has had that happen to them because it was inappropriate sexual behavoir). Why should GTA be any different. It just seems like Take Two is being singled out -- but not intentionally. GTA just happens to be in the Minority in the Videogame business world. Most game developers are smart enough not to cross the line when making violent videogames -- Push the Limits, Yes -- Cross the boundry, No. This arguement could and has been used with other subjects like the previouly mention porn, racism, terrorism, cults etc... I don't even understand why anybody is defending this game. Game wise it sucks, boring, stupid, no plot, on top of the fact that it has sensless violence. We all just have to face the facts that no matter what we do in life, the choices we make will be influenced by the enviroment around us - pure unmanipulated human thought/choices don't exist. Peace out! bloop 02.11.2006 09:45 "the choices we make will be influenced by the enviroment around us" If that is the case, then how come the millions of people playing the game ALL havent turned into psycho's??? As someone mentioned in an earlier post, these were criminally insane people who just happenned to play the game. That is no reason to target the game industry, and if banned, unfair to the sane people that enjoy these games. I really enjoy the GTA games, and thought Manhunt was great, but not for the violence, but the gameplay and plot, and I am most certainly not a psyhcho killer!!!!! You said earlier you enjoyed the Splinter Cell and MGS games (I love them too), so if I sneak up behind someone and break their neck, will this idiot try and have them banned too????? These are just games, they dont make psycho's, they're already out there. Unregistered - solo... 02.11.2006 10:07 you see there is just one HUGE glaring problem with the analogy you made with gta and porn... gta is NOT REAL. porn only works to get people aroused because it IS REAL. What about all the countless super-violent movies out there. why arent people trying to get these banned? i mean, there is a good rating system in place that governs both video games and movies. it all comes back down to the person playing the game. whether that person is playing gta or Britneys dance beat, it has NO baring on whether or not they are gonna go out and kill someone. Unregistered - I was a U.S. soldier 02.11.2006 15:18 #49 I never said that it influenced people in the same way, I just said that we are influenced by our enviroment. For example, it has influenced you -- it may have not turned you into a psycho killer but you are here defending something that supposedly isn't an influence in your life. What do you care if GTA stays on the market or not, if it supposedly has no affect on your life. Ahh, like or not you've been influenced. It just takes one psycho to kill alot of people. One person killed by psycho is unacceptable. GTA may or may not have caused the person to be psycho but it's like dropping a small pebble in a pond or dropping a huge astroid into the ocean. The effect causes a ripple when dropped in to a body of water. The pebble doesn't really do any damage but the pebble/astroid is still influenced by the whatever dropped it in the water. The water is also influenced by the Pebble/Astroid and creates a ripple effect. A huge astroid, on the other hand, causes the same affect but to a larger degree causing major damage. We would never know what forces influenced the astroid that specifically hit the earth. Unfortunately, there is no way for us to change those events, big or small, that influenced the astroid to hit the earth. A phsyco, terrorist, gang, religious extremist they are astroids in a sense. GTA, as well as other media, are the events that influence those groups(astroids) and when they do hit they hit with a bang and people get hurt... die. The difference between the Astroid analogy and the groups is that we do have control over the events that influenced these psychos or terror groups. We can lessen the Amount of Astroids (groups) that strike the earth, maybe even prevent any from striking the earth at all. One innocent life taken is unacceptable. I'm glad that your a pebble and not an astroid but if GTA is not an influence in your life you can live without it or Take Two -- or can you? -- ripple... ripple.... #50 First of all, it doesn't have to be real to influence you. The human mind has this wonderful and sometime not so wonderful ability to fill in the missing pieces. Otherwise, there wouldn't be an Anime Porn industry (yes unfortunately its made its way here in America) In World War II cartoons were used as propaganda on both sides of the playing field (Axis and Allied) And for your information, there are people trying to band these movies, books, commercials etc.. Sometimes they win, sometimes big corporation wins. It's just that the Videogame industry is getting all the Lime Light in the news lately. Didn't we just get over a big news coverage about sexual content in commercials a couple years ago. I swear there was a commericial that started it by some Big Burger Company (I think it was Burger King) a couple a years ago that was making the same kind of Headlines as Take Two. The company had to have it pulled. Heck even the Beer companies were force to tone down their comercials. Well anyway, your wrong and there are groups that are trying to stop the Senseless violence, and Hardcore Porn, Racial Groups, terror groups and the propaganda they use to influence others. Heck, it works for them why not for the good guys. That's what the U.S. Army is hoping with their certified videogame experience (that's assuming you consider the U.S Army on the good guy side) Unregistered - solo... 02.11.2006 17:41 first of all, you dont need to inform me of what the human mind can do, im into my second year of getting my doctrine for psychology. so im well aware of what the brain can constrew from cartoons and videogames... but if you think that the effects of real images on the brain, and fake(cartoon, videogames) images on the brain do the same thing, you are sorely mistaken(or misinformed, i dont know which). i am also aware of all the activist groups that there are out there. but there will always be those ultra-conservative(and liberal for that matter) hippie groups that protest everything if it doesnt promote world peace and free frickin love. thats just the way america is. all im saying is that if we are going to direct our attention to preventing violence why spend so much time and money on things so miniscule( and yes, they are miniscule compared to the aspects of this issue that matter). i mean if you want to chop a tree down, you dont start at the top. Unregistered - mark 02.11.2006 18:15 ok....i can understand that you dont like GTA....i dont like final fantasy...and metal gear solid is alright...but never really got into that either.....everyone is different...everyone is going to like something different, be it GTA, FF, or MGS....but just becuase you like something doesnt mean that you have been influenced by it.....i think that if an ADULT, and over 18 person, wants to play a video game where he can kill people...HE CAN!...why?...becaues this is a free country....i understand that a little 8 year old shouldnt be able to watch porn or play ultra-violent video games....but once someone has matured enough to be able to say...i can join the military and die for my country....then that person should be able to watch....play....whatever he wants as long as it doesnt infringe on someone elses rights..... and to the point of people getting off on GTA....for 1)...i think the graphics are too poor to so....2) not everyone is that sick, i am not...all my friends that play GTA are not...and i have never even heard of that.... take-two sees what people want to be....video games are to be like a different reality....and take two has seen that people want to be a Gangster...but they dont really want to rub someone out...just like Socom...they may have want to PRETEND they are in war...but they dont realy want to be there....that is the thing about video games....you can ESCAPE reality...if only for a few measily hours....you can become something you are not, you can be a pilot in WWII, the MVP of your favorite PRO sport, in the olympics, a secret spy, britney spears...or even a hero in a far off galaxy....and witout video games...the only way we would be able to do that....is watch movies...or TV...and that is still not even close to being as immersive as playing a video game...... Unregistered - tyler 02.11.2006 19:47 I am a christian and was upset when I read this. What upsets me is how fellow christians try to preach and convict the world for their sins. When all the while as christians we are perfect in no way. Yes, it is true that the world is immoral but Im not going to do things like this and make a fuss. In church you are taught to lead by example not by your words. To do otherwise makes us hipocrates.( I know this may sound corny) But the only way to make a diiference is to be the difference. Sadly, that is the thing that most christians today have lost sight of. Unregistered - #52 02.12.2006 01:31 I can believe your degree is in Psychology. You over analyzed everything I said -- typical. I never once ever said that cartoons affected the brain the same way that reality or realistic looking depictions do. I just said that it doesn't have to be real to influence people. I also was just complimenting the human mind for its ability to compensate -- that's all... no more ... no less. You should know more than anybody(since you're supposedly going to school on the subject) that just because something affects the brain differently doesn't mean the outcome or the results are going to be different. In other words, there's more than one way to achieve the same results. Anime porn, I'll agree, it probably affects the brain in other ways than Real Porn ... Who freakn CARES! What these people want are the results -- not how they were able to achieve those results. Both have the same damn result --they get people off. A psycho killer, who idolizes Hitler, psychologically been affect differently than a psycho killer who wanted to take GTA to the next level of reality. Who freakn' cares about the differences. What we care about is the results and what caused those results. In My Psycho Killer analogy, people died -- the same result from different influences and stimuli. Come on, this is first and second year psychology undergradute information. We need to stop allowing inappropriate behavoir from influencing our children (heck adults). There's a saying that goes "There's more than one way to skin a cat" So what .. there's more the one way. What that cat should be concerned about is that no matter which technique is chosen to skin the cat -- the CAT WILL BE SKINNED. Go back to school..... Unregistered - hmm 02.12.2006 02:53 You say that cartoons dont make people do bad things, but games do? The GTA games dont even have good graphics, they look worse than cartoons. The other thing that i dont get is, you say "psycho killer", right? And then you say that GTA is the "stimulis" for this? "HE" IS A PSYCHO! Seeing someone shot on TV could set "him" off. How do you know what set "him" off? People who kill other people for the sole reason of enjoyment, have something terribly wrong with their minds. Someone could pick out anything, and could realate it to a killer. "He ate frosted flakes on the day he went on a rampage. THE TIGER MADE HIM DO IT!! Tigers are violent animals, therefore, he wanted to act like a tiger and hunt and kill his prey." I mean what the crap. Seriously, people look way into things. Back in the day the government had beheadings, it was the norm, and they let the kids watch the man die while the crowd cheered. Yes this was wrong, but did they all turn into killers and eventually kill everyone in the country? NO! Games are supposed to be fictional, people who think of them as a reality are delusional. Unregistered - solo... 02.12.2006 11:53 i couldnt agree more... you hit it right on the money, but this guy isnt going to get it through his head. look at his response to mine, he doesnt even defend where he was wrong? i think he is just on here trying to start an arguement because he can. i mean this subject is a joke, that is why jack thompson is laughed at by his own colleagues. all this boils down to is that video games are FAKE.... the real world is REAL.... the fact that a specific killer kills someone, and that this killer played gta have ZERO relevance. oh, and trust me, there have been numerous studies done on violent images shown to sane and insane people, and there effects.... THE DIFFERENCE IS SANE PEOPLE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FANTASY AND REALITY... can people become desensitized? of course, but this has NO barring on whether or not they will kill someone. those are two different variables all together.... now seriously #55, do some research before you post your presumptious, dr. phil-like info. Unregistered - jason 02.13.2006 00:50 omg the vice president must of been playing duck hunt again. because he shout someone while quail hunting. see video games do affect real life...lmao... my 2 cents. 1. video games are not for everyone thats why they have age limits. most parents and stores do not enforce the selling of games to minors. but that is not the company's fault. 2. i believe that there are far worse things out there to influence someone to kill others more then gta come on. before gta there where other video games , before video games it was movies, before movies it was books. before books there where cave drawings. lmao well you get my point. people just need to take responsibility of there own actions. im 31 i been playing violent video games and watching horror movies since i was about 12 well i gues the games where not to violent back then. not sure if i should of at that age but i was. never once have i thought of killing someone. but i have on a bad day when someone makes me made turned on a video game and shot some stuff up to fell better. and it works. much better then killing and going to jail... imho Unregistered - I was a U.S. Soldier 02.13.2006 00:51 Hey again -- everyone is stuck on the cause and ignoring the effect whether it is real or not it stills causes a negative reaction. Look at what the Danish people are having to endure. A simple negative CARTOON has cause a major Negative conflict between them and the Muslin WORLD. Unfortunately, muslin extremist groups are totally using it to promote their own agendas. If Danish people go with the attitude that hey, its just a cartoon -- the newspaper has a right -- and ignore it and allow it to continue they're inviting certain violent retaliation from these extremist groups and people will get hurt. If the Danish people on the other hand show the Muslum community that they are serious about repairing the damage done by the newspaper who printed the cartoon and put laws in effect that prevent it from happening again they will greatly diminish the danager (hopefully stop it all together but if Iraqis and Iranians are any indication of the overall personalities of the Muslum world they are very stubborn proud people). If you see where I'm getting to by this example, it doesn't matter what YOU think or how YOU percieve the videogame, it matters how the rest of the world perceives a cartoon, videogame, book etc. One life taken is not worth playing a game. Do you really want to take a chance the kid or adult next door to you is not unstable and somehow GTA was part of his overall motivation for going on a murder or beating spree in your neighborhood. I don't. It's just a game -- why do you have to hold onto it so much. Why do you have to defend it so much that you need to have the ability to have it on the market. There are other great games that don't cross social boundries and there will hopefully be many more. It's just a game so let it go. It's obvious that other people out there see reality differently. You are right, you never know what will set these sick people off. Its like playing russian roulette with a revolver. The person has a better chance living with only one bullet than a fully loaded gun (which is pretty much suicide). By allowing inappropriate matterial like GTA, or any kind of inappropriate Media, we as a society are only playing russian roulette with our lives. It would be nice to live in a world where there was no bullet in the chamber but that would not be reality now would it. Let's not add any more bullets (inappropriate Media) than we need too. Remember that this isn't about YOU so don't take it personally. This about those children and adults who see reality differently and the Parents who raise there children incorrectly. That is what this about. Just trying to keep me, my children, and the world safe from all them physcos. Peace Unregistered - solo... 02.13.2006 01:52 .......wow.......seriously man, thats all i can really say. i mean i know what youre saying, youre against people being killed. which is quite comendable and i hope everyone is, but do you actually know what you are saying? i mean, all of that is nice but you need to come back down to a little place i like to call earth. youre talkin about some real extreme censorship that will just never happen(or at least i hope not). i just dont know why people want to further censor something that has a very fair rating system, even more. if there are kids playing these games (which are intended for adults btw), thats not the game industries fault. thats why, like i said before, attention needs to be focused much more on whats happening in these kids' homes and schools. but anyway, i said my piece, so peace.... oh, and btw, i dont even like gta, so i would be just fine without it. Unregistered - mark 02.13.2006 01:59 that is all i have to say about you comments for now on....is just wow...you must not understand what i said....if you are what the US is making into soldiers....i do feel sorry for you.......and i just hae to ask are you army, navy, or marines? Unregistered - Philip 02.13.2006 06:50 I see a lot of comments here calling JT a whole range of names and calling into question this man's sanity. But I see very few posts actually refuting any of the points Jack has raised in this letter. I have read through the entire letter and it seems like Jack has some real points; and his advice to Bono is fairly solid. If you don't agree, I would like to hear exactly what you disagree with. JT has listed the different points and even numbered each point. I will be interested in hearing which of the numbered points is false / debateable / misconstrued. Unregistered - JUMPMAN 02.13.2006 11:01 his whole, rather ludacris arguement, is aimed at the effect of this game on KIDS. now as someone said earlier, if the parents do their job and the retailers do their job, this game would be much less a problem, as this game is FOR ADULTS. in which JT even admits that it doesnt effect adults like it does the kids. which should be obvious. should we stop making guns and rifles because kids could get a hold of them and kill...or should we stop making pharmacudical drugs because kids can get a hold of them?? i mean, this is getting out of hand. and if they get rid of gta they might as well get rid of any game where killing is involved. why just stop at gta. look, its well known that JT is a greedy, publicitly whore who is just hiding behind his christianity to get his face out there and make some more money. dont believe me, do some research. the fact that there is already a legit rating system in place for video games, and that gta is rated MATURE, make ALL of JT's points moot. Unregistered - Guardian 02.13.2006 11:11 I understand what you mean, why Bono would want to be attached to something as controversal as Rockstar or Take Two is beyond me, however, it is also an investment and a good one. Now here's why JT doesn't make any sense. He's taking Correlation and calling it Casaution. Did you know that Ice Cream sales cause murders? Well of course they dont, but if you did a study about the relationship between them you'd find that as ice cream sales go up, so do murder rates. Are they truly connected? More than likely no, but are they correlated? Yup. The same is true for GTA. It's is time people start A: watching their kids or B: Teaching them better. It is NOT the fault of a game that you decide to go try a weapon. It is the responsibility of the adult and child to know what is real from fake. Case in point, myself. I hate guns, I can't stand them, however I grew up playing all sorts of violent video games. Still do as a matter of fact (Note, I hate GTA but that's cause I think it sucks. It has no point. It is fun however to turn on some codes and run around and cause mayhem.) Now according to JT anyone who plays these games will do such an act. If that were true, people would be dying in the streets by the second. There are millions of GTA players. So is it more logical to base JT's stereotype on 1 kid who didn't have parental supervision and was a little out to begin with more than likely, or the millions of other law abiding citizens that play the same game. I'd say number 2 makes more sense. And what about the positive effects of GTA? Yes there are some, for example the robbers that were caught when they heard the cop voices from GTA in the house they were going to rob and thought they had been discovered. So according to JT logic, GTA would be an effective security system as well. Note this will only stop dumb robbers. Basically it comes down to if you aren't smart enough to know what is a game and reality then don't play. And as far as Parents go, I think we should have more parents and less people with kids. Unregistered - mark 02.14.2006 02:41 that is what i have been trying to say...and i think i have said it...not exactly of course...and you do come up with better points.....but i dont think the guy nicknamed i am a US soldier will listen....he just comes back saying the same thing over again....oh well...some people are just too hard headed... Unregistered - . 02.14.2006 16:43 This isnt that big of a deal. This kinda stuff happends all the time By the way U2 SUCKS. Unregistered - I was a U.S. soldier 02.15.2006 02:37 This is why there are problems in the world. First of all, I never said I was a spokesperson representing the U.S. military so leave my friends out of it. They all have their own opinions so don't stereotype. I just said I was a u.s soldier who's been through some sh$$ and it kind of changes your aspect on life pretty quick. Before the war, I probably wouldn't have had an opinion just let life slide by. I never once said we had to band violence from everybody. I just think it needs to be less accessible that's all and was defending the fact that the inappropriate material, whether real or fantasy, can affect children(and some adults) and standby my arguements. I'm definitely against children having access and I am for fining Stores who sell to underage minors but Parents need to be held accountable by law too. I still haven't seen or heard any real legislature punishing parents harshly just stores and game developers which isn't fair. The rating system is also weak and needs to be strengthen. I am glad the console companies are stepping up on stronger parental controls. I'm all for allowing people their right to watch/play adult content and ultra-violent media if it can be regulated correctly. The movie industry does a pretty good job -- look what kind of sick movies they churn out -- and yes it still gets into chidren's hands -- and yes children and adults have used ideas out of movies to do inappropriate things but at least the movie industry does more to regulate than a simple rating system -- such as seperating Adult content, education of rating system, cracking down on I.D. for R movies and above. Of course, in the real world you can't save everybody, but man, we can at least all come together to minimize the damage. Take Two is more in trouble for marketing and advertisement issues and if it's true -- then that's they're fault and they deserve punishment -- if not then everybody needs to leave them the hell alone. If you think about, when we see a movie, the rating system has been imprinted into our minds so much that even if the rating system doesn't apply us, we are still vaguely aware of what rating the movie is. The videogame industry does not have this cultural brainwashing (for lack of a better word). Alot of adults, especially those who grew up before PS2 or Xbox (yes there are quite a few of those out there) still look at every video-game as a kiddy thing. So maybe all we need is commercials like the cigarette commercials bombarding every home educating people about the rating system -- it could be that simple. Business as usual isn't working and everybody needs to pitch in and make it happen so that it is fair and safe for everyone. Some of you people are like the Jack Thompsons of GTA( that's extremist freaks for the opposing side of the issue) Peace Unregistered - Kat Smith 03.20.2006 11:45 Jack, stay away from my favourite band! I swear to the one you call God I'll punch your teeth down your throat. I seriously doubt Bono would respond, let alone READ all of that garbage. By the by, religion makes you look fat. Unregistered - New Zealand 05.24.2006 20:44 Only in America could such a messed up state of affairs occur. Why don't American politicians and law makers look around the world and see how other countries, deal with this issue regarding enforcement of ratings systems, education of children, how many murders based on GTA and other so called "murder simulators" have been reported in Germany, Australia, UK, very few so much so that they are the exception to the rule. I have nothing against America as some of the best times of my life have been spent in that magnificent country, as well as many other countries, and everywhere i've been America describes itself as a great country and leader of the free world, but the way America is perceived by the world is as a country that wants to control everything in the world or at least manipulate in its own favour to the detriment of everyone else (thats selfish)and its citizens as people who don't want to take responsibility for their own lives they want it regulated by the government (thats not accepting liabilty for your actions), this is not free speech or freedom of thought (that is state control, akin to communism), which are two fundamental rights for every person in the world. I know this is not true of the majority of American citizens, yet the miority that do ascribe to this idea seem to be telling the majority this is the way things are. While the majority just sits and complains about it in forums like this (thats Apathy). Now I know this may upset a lot of people with my saying this but If America is so great, why does half the world perceive it as a bully which tries to enforce it's will on others. Why is it in the top 10 countries for the loosest laws on gun controls in the world. (Reference this to a quote from our idiot friend Jack Thompson. Kids have been taking guns to school for 200 years and are only now turning them on each other?!?!?!?). There is something seriously fundamentally f****d up about anyone with a mentality like that, kids carrying guns I would think is the bigger issue, but in that interview in which that quote was made no one called him on it they were too wrapped up in the relatively minor issue of video games causing violence. Why do Americans allow the minority groups to control and dictate the laws to the majority of people. These should be bigger issues than replying to the bait fired out by brain dead religious fanatical lawyers, who have such poor self esteem issue with their own lives that they need to harass others to make themselves feel better. And to close think about this in Auckland, New Zealand with a population of approximately 1 million people there are only 2 registered gun stores, thats 0.0000002 gun stores per person, has anyone looked at this figure in a standard US city and seen what the ratio of gun stores to people actually is. If it's greater than Auckland then maybe something should be done. Add Comment |
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