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Sony Confirms DevStation PS3 Developer EU Conference
12 Jan 2006 10:15 | Webmaster | Playstation 3
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According to Gamasutra.com, DevStation, Sony Europe's yearly development conference for Sony platform developers, will this year focus exclusively on game development for the PS3.

The conference, which will take place in London's Brick Lane from March 1st to March 2nd, has posted an extensive agenda online, which includes significant discussion on the Cell chip, graphics, art, performance, audio, networking, and a new tool named PSSG, which is described as "a PS3 optimised cross-platform graphics engine and tool-chain."

There will also be a third-party demonstration and a lecture from Unreal Engine creator Epic, as well as middleware input from companies such as Havok and Ageia, who have already officially signed up to provide their physics technology to PlayStation 3 developers.

More information on the conference is available on its official website, which notes: "DevStation 2006 is a PlayStation 3 Development Conference, to receive a delegate space your company would have to have an executed TMLA agreement with Sony Computer Entertainment Europe."

Source: Gamasutra.com







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1 -
Unregistered - meh 01.12.2006 11:14


MEH, NO NEWS

SONY OFFERS HYPE AND NO PROOF


2 - great more fake videos!
Unregistered - hardwood2001 01.12.2006 11:19
great more fake videos! can't wait to see what the future of pc graphic cards can do!

3 - whores
Unregistered - Tha L 01.12.2006 13:32
and the firts ones to post are stupid whinning b!tches that have nothing better to than b!tch about the ps3

pathetic


4 - ^^^^^ Typo
Unregistered - Tha L 01.12.2006 13:33
first*

5 - Shhhh
BOSS 01.12.2006 14:03
Notice sony is only letting developers into the conference. No reporters NO writers. They will probally tell the developers to keep their mouths shut while they work on debugging the hardware.

6 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.12.2006 14:15
LOL you lil Xbot, what do you expect from a developers conference? Xbots are the funniest creatures I ever saw, when it's about Sony they are whinning about everything they only can and are happy in the same time to be a$$f@cked by Billy: They pay $100 for the cheapest 20GB HDD possible and are still happy buahahahahaha Xbots are so amusing pheeewwwwwww

7 - Help!
BOSS 01.12.2006 14:39
I dont think the developers are very happy right now with the ps3.To expensive to hard to write code for and its behind schedule. Other than that everythings fine!

8 -
Unregistered - wotter 01.12.2006 14:42
Pff some developers say it's hard and some say it's easy (ut2007 creator), but it's definatelly more easy than the ps2. Sony does its best to please the devs.

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Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 17:24
If this is about GDC which I think it is, then yes it is for developers, although I know of a few people (none developers) who got invites from Sony, through either competitions or other means and can say quite abit happens at these events, BTW I only read posters views ( BOSS ) and not the actual article yet so if it isnt about GDC forget this post. GDC is in march GDC = Game developers conference.

10 - To BOSS
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 17:28
I dont see EPIC games complaining and they are PC developers, most japanese peeps develope for console, so I think you got something wrong somewhere, or maybe your just a fanboy, yea thats it your a fanboy of Xflop.

(I may have to register to this site, quite interesting, with all these silly little fanboys makeing rumours out of their ass's!


11 -
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 17:37
OK its not GDC, looks like something new, never heard of this event before, good stuff if it is new, looks like theyre getting closer to devs and helping them more, nice one Sony.

12 - Fony Fakestation 2.5
BOSS 01.12.2006 17:41
Why is sony so quite right now. Dont you think they would love to still some of MS thunder at this time. Everyone must admit sony has a track record of lying to all of us. Rememmber the Emotion engine inside the ps2. It was hyped as the greatest thing since slice bread. One year later MS destroyed the ps2 with better graphics.

13 -
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.12.2006 17:52
PS Why don't you go and preorder your xternal HD-DVD drive and spend another
100-150$ Just another way Mr FU@KING BILL GATES Fu@ks You XcrapBox360
FanBit@hes right up the AS$$$S$$$ or do you prefer 500-800$ for a HD DVD player


PS. one more thing BOSS SFU XcrapOnIt360 FanBit@h


14 - To BOSS
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 17:53
What thunder has Microsoft got right now exactly? yea exactly, your dreaming fanboy zombie. They cant even supply X360's to people who pre owned em, they have "JUNK" HDD's dont have a next gen opticle drive, and the internet speed is too slow for next gen with its weak 100BASE-T ethernet, the only thing they got is LIVE, big Focking wow! nuff said.

15 - Let me change all the mistakes made in last post
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 17:57
What thunder has Microsoft got right now exactly? yea exactly, NONE, your a dreaming fanboy zombie. They cant even supply X360's to people who pre ordered them, they have "JUNK" HDD's dont have a next gen opticle drive, and the internet speed is too slow for next gen. With its weak 100BASE-T ethernet, the only thing they got is LIVE, big Focking wow! nuff said.

16 - What Happen?
BOSS 01.12.2006 17:59
I used to be a hardcore playstation fan. I just dont know what happen to me. Maybe I was bitten by a Xbox fan who knows. What i do know is ,I had both systems and I found myself playing the Xbox and Xboxlive more than the ps2. I think thats the reason guys. What do you think?

17 - Help Me
BOSS 01.12.2006 18:06
Is there a cure. Let me know.

18 - To BOSS
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 18:16
I dont know my friend, maybe it was the slightly better graphics and online experience, but I know Sony will have both those covered next gen, PS2 was only testing online with PS2, thats why they didn't push it like M$, M$ has done a great job with Live, but I am not buying a system just for an online experience. I know Sony will offer something better this time, than what was on PS2, otherwise their processor and large 1000BASe-T ethernet support would'nt be included in PS3, which it is, so they have something planned.

19 - Xbox 360 Falls Short of Sales Projections
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.12.2006 18:18
Yes there is stop Fu@king posting Sh!t on a PS3 forum and go play your
XboxCrapOnIt360

PS.I will join you when the XBox and XB360 out sell the PS2
Check this link out
http://www.ps3portal.com/xbox360/article/246.html




20 - Oops
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 18:19
Hey BOSS. I just realized that I am an insufferable Sony fanboy, and I have no idea WHAT the PS3 is going to look like since all I have seen is prerendered cut scenes and what some magazine fanboys have told me.
I am going out to buy an Xbox360 right now.


21 - To Someone
BOSS 01.12.2006 18:21
Have you ever played on Xboxlive. If so what did you think of it. Let ma Know.

22 - I agree with Someone.
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.12.2006 18:21
I am so angry that I can only express myself in vulgar curse words and my funny made up XBox names. I think I will follow Someone to my local Best Buy and start my next-gen gaming. I am sick of waiting for any new info from Sony.

23 - zerocool/someone
BOSS 01.12.2006 18:28
Dont tell me the Xbug got you guys to.

24 - To Boss
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 18:29
I had a few good matches with people (Xbox not X360) but some where like obsessed and pi$$ed off if you beat them, not too bad, I prefer a machine though where I dont have to pay for my internet connection and on top of that a gameing service, Sony offers what I want and next gen will be better.

25 - To # 22
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 18:32
Your a @$2o* now just disapear, because your a fool.

26 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.12.2006 18:37
LOL Boss, destroyed? Xbox launched more than one year later and had SLIGHTLY better graphics, pretty poor if you ask me.
Sony is so quite now, cause they have nothing to worry about. If they would, they would be bombing us with infos and try to disturb Xflop's launch. Even you Xbot should see that Sony ain't worried and one for sure, if Sony would release first MS would try all they can to disturb it.
What track record of lying are you talking about? I think I have to remind you of the GT3 and MGS2 demos before the PS2 launch. At that time everybody was saying this isn't realtime and the games won't look like that. And guess what? When some months later PS2 launched , GT3 and MGS2 looked same or even better. I'm sure GT5 and MGS4 won't look worse than the demos. Sony never developed some dream demos, if they showed demos, the final games looked at least as good as the demos. The only lie I can think of is that they said something about a Toystory like graphics, but what are you whinning about, everybody makes mistakes and MS is far worse when it comes to lies.
Then what thunder are you talkin about? I see hundreds of people selling their Xflops on Ebay and guess what? I just saw Xflop Core goin for only $330. Hmm only $30 more than in a shop, now thats really poor if you add to it that it's sold out. Looks like many people besides the fanatic Xbots are pretty unhappy with Xflop hehe yeah right thunder hehe you probably also so angry cause Sony is so quite and calm


27 - To BOSS that should have been
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 18:40
where I have to pay for my internet aswell as a service to Xbox live, I dont pay extra service to play PC games so why should I pay for Xbox live?

28 -
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.12.2006 18:40
BOSS WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Did you read anything i said

http://www.ps3portal.com/xbox360/article/246.html

PS. stop using my name #22

22 - I agree with Someone.
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.12.2006 18:21
I am so angry that I can only express myself in vulgar curse words and my funny made up XBox names. I think I will follow Someone to my local Best Buy and start my next-gen gaming. I am sick of waiting for any new info from Sony


29 - To # 26
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 18:54
GT vision was basicaly GT4 with extra cars on track and fully animated pit crew, just imagine what GT5 will realy be like when complete? as for MGS4 that will look better than what is shown on beta kits, as its due out 2007 I believe.

30 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.12.2006 19:00
Thats why I said they won't look worse, I also expect that they will look better than the demos. Xbugs make the tissues ready or your pillow will get wet come launch time.

31 - To Fake ZeroCool
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.12.2006 19:03
HaHa very funny XcrapOnIt360 fanbit@h owner of PS1 and PS2 and soon PS3
so whay don't you SFU FanBit@h let me guess your mom got you XB360 for
XMes and its the greatest system you ever played that is untill the PS3
comes out.

PS check This out you XcrapOnIt360 FanBit@h
http://www.ps3portal.com/xbox360/article/246.html


32 - To all Xbox followers
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 19:16
Smething that has been puzzling me for a while now, where did the Xbox followers actualy come from? are they Dreamcast decendents or just off spring from the PC gamer? please let us know, because I think this is quite interesting, to me at least and maybe many other people, so please express why you went the Xbox route.

NO FLAMEWARS PLEASE!


33 - someone
BOSS 01.12.2006 19:26
Xbox just seems to have a better vibe you know what I mean. Its fun playing people from all over the world. Although some are real idiots. I like the controller alot better than the ps2 and its an American product.

34 - To BOSS
Unregistered - Someone 01.12.2006 19:43
Those are fair personal comments and like I said earlier XBlive ain't too bad apart from the odd D1CK on their. I haven't played 360 so cant comment on that.

Anyone else want to tell us how you got associated with the M$ Xbox brand?


35 - Why I bought the original Xbox...
Unregistered - Cray 01.12.2006 20:11
I remember back when Microsoft was talking about the original Xbox. Yes, I DID have a Dreamcast. But sitting right next to it was the original Playstation. I was playing Quake and NFL2K on the Dreamcast online, and that was awesome. I kept up with all of my Playstation games at the same time. But you didn't see anything like Seaman(who when I told I liked Shawshank Redemption went into some detail about Stephen King, and that was REALLY cool.) Anyway, that was around the time I was reading in magazines about how Microsoft was talking about coming out with a console and the PS2 was also just being talked about.

Microsoft was saying everything I wanted to hear as a gamer at that point. Broadband online service(and after playing both PS2 online and Xbox Live online, Xbox Live is just so easy to find my frineds... which is why I like it so much, plain and simplye), hard drive(I don't HAVE to buy a memory card?), downloadable content(I can keep updating my games), I can rip CDs and listen to them in game(although at the time I thought it was going to be like the 360 now... any game at any time). And they were making it pretty powerful. I was excited about NFL Fever because every game your players stats could change and then if there were changes, you could download them. But other than, I didn't know what else to be excited about as far as software. I was excited about PS2 as well, but there wasn't a single game inparticular that I was excited about.

I was excited about both sets of hardware, and I have played both ever since. I do love my Xbox even though I had a lot of problems with the very first one I bought. I have bought and sold my PS2 two times, accidentally threw it across a parking lot once, and bought a replacement for that. I think both systems are awesome, but when it comes down to playing all night with friends, I stand by my Xbox and Xbox Live. When I want to roll up a big pile of crap, I play Katamari on PS2.

Sorry that was so long, but that is my answer.


36 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.12.2006 20:12
Now we got Boss, he is mainy Xbot cause it is an AMERICAN product, what a jerk...Xbots are mosty Sega decendents or just new gamers. I don't think any serious PC player is an Xbot. You get most of Xflops games on PC, way too many FPS there, PC is the King for FPS games. I own a very good PC and it would be stupid if I would buy me Xflop. Sony unlike MS has great games on their system that you never won't get on PC. Also only GT is for me reason enough to buy PS3. Billy couldn't develope a serious GT Killer in the whole Xflop existance, now thats really poor.

37 - to # 34
Unregistered - ninja0327 01.12.2006 20:19
.....because xbox fanatics have money to spend unlike YOU. the reason i say this is because ps3 fans say to xbox fans they will regret ever buying 360. i don't see the problem with buying a 360, if it doesn't satisfy my needs as gamer , well i'll dump it or sell it and buy another console. its simple as that, no flaming wars needed.its not like i'm gonna spend the rest of my life with a 360.oh and one more thing i like to try different products that way i know whats best on the market instead of sticking to the same product like most of you guys, well i don't blame you guys you grew up with ps thats all you've known

peace


38 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.12.2006 20:43
Well if you got friends you maybe don't need to buy a product to try it out. I played all consoles including 360 since NES and was a Nintendo fan before, but they screwed N64 and thats why I converted. From what I saw and played, I wouldn't give a penny for 360. It's just like Xflop a PC hybrid with mostly PS type of games.

39 -
Havoc 01.12.2006 21:19
Yea I've owned or co-owned almost every single console from the Sega Genisis, Dreamcast, Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Xbox, and all the playstations and I plan on getting both the 360 and ps3. I love to play on every console but I'm always down with Sony.

40 -
Unregistered - unknown 01.12.2006 21:45
Boss, if you like your 360 that much, what the f$%# are you doing on this site with all the post. Also, get a life instead of sitting in front of you tv and 360 to play with a whole bunch of fagot around the world that you do not even know.

41 -
Unregistered - JIN 01.12.2006 22:34
I feel bad for the xbox fans. They are always on here, scared to death because they know they made a wrong choice and are shaking in their boots. The 360 is a piece of crap, and we all know it. HAHA, add-on HD-DVD. What a waste. Look at the games that are out....at best a little above average from the current gen consoles. DID worse in japan than the last XBOX. News flash, Japan is the second largest console consumer in the world, behind US. PS3 is gonna sell out in Japan quicker than you can say "I want to return my XFLOP" and sell out in US quicker than you can say "My XFLOP over heated again". PS3 won by a first round Knockout last generation, they are going to win by a first round Knockout this generation.

42 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.12.2006 22:36
This time around PS3 already won at the weigh-in buahahahahahahaha

43 -
Unregistered - meh 01.13.2006 00:01

ANY GOOD NEWS LATELY.....I didn't think so

1. Kojima and all other developers: PS3 = Xbox 360
2. U.S. and Europe Launch : October -- December
3. Blu-ray not by any means a definate format
4. No original ps3 games
5. No Live

Having to wait an additional year for an equivalent console....PRICELESS or retarded



44 - #43
BillGatesSucks 01.13.2006 00:47
1. Kojima and all other developers: PS3 = Xbox 3

Um, no, Kojima said both consoles were powerful. That doesn't mean they're the same. All developers say they're the same, ALL? Well, I'm going to have to call you out on that one sand say gimme a link, smart guy.


2. U.S. and Europe Launch : October -- December

And you know this how? Crystal ball? Or crystal meth?


3. Blu-ray not by any means a definate format

Maybe not definate, but it has the most support so far.


4. No original ps3 games

Hello? MGS4 ... GT Vision ... The Getaway ... Warhawk ... Gretzky NHL ... Heavenly Sword ... Motorstorm ... I-8 ... Killzone ... Lair.


5. No Live

So what? It's estimated only 5 - 10% of gamers play online.


45 - reply to 43
Unregistered - dragn avengr 01.13.2006 02:29
on your stupid question number
4. No original ps3 games.

hahhhahaha, what r u freaken joke sh!t. no original ps3 games. oh man thatwas r good one...

u want r lists for it... stupid F@G.


46 - reply to 44
Unregistered - dragn avengr 01.13.2006 02:30
NICE one man.

47 - seriously.
Unregistered - some guy from Sony 01.13.2006 07:11
I have a Live account, and I play socom online with my PS2.

I play Halo2 and Socom.. two pretty good shooters.

In my opinion. Seriously that is all I have is my opinion...

Socom 2 and socom 3 are better than Halo2. The single player game of Halo2 kicks ass, but when I go online I meet up with the people on XBOX Live.

All of the Xbox fanboys here (and lets face it, if you crash a Playstation website preaching about xbox... you are a fanboy) can probably agree with me that about 93% of the people on Live are either of these typical people:

A) Little kid that likes to talk too much (sugar rush kid - SRK)
B) Pre-teen racist potty mouth guy (pre-teen racist - PTR)
C) Hill billy frank with temper issues (High stunk Hick - HSH)
D) Comic book Guy (CBG)
E) The guy that ruins it for everyone by cheating, glitching, team killing (A$$ Fark - AF)

generally these are the people on Live.

The other 7% are nice people that are fun to play with.

On Socom I have met a lot of great people and I would say that 90% of the people online with sony are the nice people.


48 - Interesting
Dark Samurai 01.13.2006 09:03
ATI R580 (X1900 XTX) will do 1.1 teraflops
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28954

compare it to RSX with 1.8 teraflops and it's obvious what a monster the PS3 GPU will be.Note that both use traditional non-unified shader pipes and are comparable to each other.


49 - to PAUL CERULA no 4
Dante 01.13.2006 10:02
ANY GOOD NEWS LATELY.....I didn't think so

1. Kojima and all other developers: PS3 = Xbox 360
2. U.S. and Europe Launch : October -- December
3. Blu-ray not by any means a definate format
4. No original ps3 games
5. No Live

Having to wait an additional year for an equivalent console....PRICELESS or retarded...


Plz stop repeating the same sh1t over and


50 - to PAUL CERULA no 43
Dante 01.13.2006 10:06
"ANY GOOD NEWS LATELY.....I didn't think so

1. Kojima and all other developers: PS3 = Xbox 360
2. U.S. and Europe Launch : October -- December
3. Blu-ray not by any means a definate format
4. No original ps3 games
5. No Live"

Having to wait an additional year for an equivalent console....PRICELESS or retarded...


Plz stop repeating the same sh1t over and over with different names...ur not convincing any body with ur sh1tty talk.


51 -
Unregistered - theman19 01.13.2006 10:40
do you think wo could see something from guerilla at this thing. i havent heard anything from them but i guess there is a possibility.

52 -
Unregistered - theman19 01.13.2006 11:06
o and to all the xbox 360 fanboys... ps3 will be worth the wait.. it is not an "equivalent console" ps3 will ps3 will have great games great graphics a great online service. i dont have ps2 online but i do play socom FTB on my psp and it is a very simple, pleasent, and FREE experience. xbox live is overhyped. my friend who has an xbobx 360 (who is going to by a ps3 when is comes out) his like live chat thiing doesnt even work. he was not impressed by much with the 360. i mean the powerbrick is about as big as the system. and he told me we had to put it on a flat surface thats not carpet or the system will overheat. i was laughiung my ass off. to make a long story shot im not all against the 360. i just think ps3 is going to be a superior system and thats why i will buy it FIRST. when 360 price go down im gonna snatch one of them up. its still a very nice system... just not as nice as ps3.
ps. anyone who wants a ps3 forum where u actually talk about the system and not fend of fanboys, go to ps3forums.com


53 - Good Point #48
Unregistered - dragonopolis 01.13.2006 16:51
That's what I've been trying to tell all the xbots and stress out Sony Fans. We don't need to wait when the proof is already here in the form of PC Nvidia Cards and Ati Cards. All the hardware reviews at legit sights point to Nvidia as leader in real world game graphics. ATI's newest R500 series cards, in most cases, do not compete against the current offering of Nvidia. Some websites suggest that if you are an owner of an ATI 800 series card, not to uprade unless you are planning to fork over the cash for an ATI 1800XT. Ouch, that's sad! It's even worse -- MS and ATI had to slap a daught die (chip -EDRAM) to get the performance they needed out of an already dead GPU in the XFLOP. The real truth is Sony made the right decision and went with Nvidia King of GPU's. Xbots can just wet there Pants and worried Sony fans can breath a sigh of relief that Sony has alread won half the battle (not bad for a system not even out yet)

54 - #46 and #47
BillGatesSucks 01.13.2006 16:56
#46 - Thank you

#47 - Your categorical breakdown of the xbox live player is hilarious - thanks for the laugh. What makes it funny is it's most likely %100 accurate.


55 -
Unregistered - travis 01.13.2006 19:57
you sony guys are a joke. I am sorry but life is to short to wait for the ps3 I am getting 360 now .I really dont care anymore about how good the ps3 is going to be or what it can do .it might be better so what. I dont live my life on dreams

56 - TekkeN VS DoA
Unregistered - ZeroCool 01.13.2006 21:45
Check this Link out it shows Tekken sales for part 1-4 total of over 20 Million
plus.It dose not include the sales of Tekken5 since the Article was released
Before tekken5 came out.If DOA franchise beats the sales I will agree that DOA
Franchise is better then Tekken.And I know that DOA4 just came out.

PS. http://www.totalvideogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803
PSS DOA4 dose have Hotttter Girls in The Game LOL I got to give you that.



57 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.13.2006 22:00
Are you crazy? DOA can never be better than Tekken. Nothing can be better, Tekken is the King of beat'em ups. Most fighters, most fighting styles, best gameplay => TEKKEN RULES BIGTIME !!!

58 - Extracts from an article at Forbes on the CELL processor
Unregistered - Gamer 01.14.2006 00:19
I'll post a link at the end, you need to sign up to read the whole article.

"Cell's creators needed to strike a balance between raw power and the versatility to do more than just play games. Special graphics chips are superspeedy, but for only one task. General-purpose chips like those made by Intel devote a lot of muscle to the ability to handle a wide variety of jobs, but they aren't superfast at any one of them. For two decades Intel boosted performance by cramming more transistors onto a chip, but now chips draw so much power and generate so much heat that they can't be cranked up much more. Intel and others boost performance by lashing together two or more thinking elements on a single chip. Intel makes dual-core chips. Sun's Niagara boasts eight cores. For Microsoft's Xbox 360, IBM linked three Power cores. But even these multicore chips will not be powerful enough to drive the next wave, Kahle argues. Cell needed an entirely new design."

"The good news: Some designers say creating games for Cell is far less complicated than writing for PlayStation 2. "Anyone who worked on the PlayStation 2 is jumping for joy," says Jeremy Gordon, chief executive of Secret Level, a gamemaker in San Francisco that is remaking a classic 1980s Sega videogame for the new Sony box."

"Selling Cell, Hofstee last year gave eight speeches at technical conferences. He and Kahle have visited more than 50 companies, enduring abundant skepticism from jaded industry veterans--until they ran their speedy Cell demos. "It's just amazing to go meet with people who have been in the industry for 25 years and just see their jaws drop," Kahle says. When a famous chip designer, a veteran of Motorola and Apple, visited Austin for a demo in 2004, Kahle showed him images from the Mount Rainier flyover, eliciting stunned silence. "He just got really quiet," as he realized "what this is going to do to the industry," Kahle says.

Toshiba demos a Cell-based "Magic Mirror" that turns an LCD screen into a virtual mirror by combining feeds from several cameras. Look left, look right and your "reflection" mimics you on screen, thanks to that tiny Cell chip zipping away. In the next generation of TV sets Toshiba hopes to lay the foundation for interactive viewing. One day you might watch a football game from the quarterback's perspective and shift to a seat up high on the 50-yard line, then zoom up to watch from the blimp overhead, backflips that videogame players take in stride.

Masakazu Suzuoki, Sony's lead designer on Cell, says Sony aims to use this power to create movies that are interactive and changeable, with multiple story lines, so people will watch the same flick more than once. Another idea Sony is kicking around: placing ads in the background of movies and TV shows and customizing them to suit the viewer, with Cell processors keeping track of who sees what.

Breakthrough chips easily inspire such big ideas, but Cell enjoys a running start that previous chips didn't have. It is likely to end up in millions upon millions of homes around the world as the PlayStation 3 rolls out. Once these Cells throb away in game consoles, TV sets and set-top boxes, they can be fed digital fare by new networks of Cell-based servers. "As the clients become very powerful, then the servers will have to become very powerful, too," Kahle says.

The PlayStation hook inspires confidence at Raytheon, the Waltham, Mass. defense contractor, which has studied Cell for 15 months and plans to use it in scores of next-generation systems. "Sonar, infrared sensors--there are hundreds of products that Raytheon designs that could use this type of technology," says Peter Pao, chief technology officer. "Current chips are going to run out of steam. We always look to the future."

At Mercury Computer Systems in Chelmsford, Mass. engineers are working on a Cell system called Turismo, which is due later this year and will pack up to 128 Cell chips into a 6-foot-high rack, producing up to 25 trillion calculations per second. Mercury, which sells modules for medical gear made by General Electric, Philips and Siemens, says Turismo could make a CT scanner so fast that it will be able to paint a 3-D image in four seconds versus five minutes on an Intel Pentium. Mercury is even pushing Cell to firms that create computer-generated special effects for movies. "This chip is opening doors for us," says Joel Radford, a Mercury vice president.

Back in Austin Kahle talks about "immersive interaction," 3-D virtual worlds modeled with such detail that you can see, from your screen, exactly what it looks like when you're standing on the corner of Fifth Avenue and 23rd Street in Manhattan. "This is going to open a whole new realm of how people interact with computers and each other, where we'll mix reality with virtual reality," he says. For his entire career Kahle has been driven to create a chip that could change the world; now, he says, it has arrived. "This project is the culmination of that desire."

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0130/076.html

The future is almost here people and I sure as hell cant wait



59 - From IGN's Forum Q&A
Unregistered - Gamer 01.14.2006 04:20
Originally Posted by clifftrapremover
Oi Tommy i just saw the ep where you wore Video Games Live shirt on Judgement Day, sneaky sneaky [face_tongue]

I am wondering, how do you feel about the new PS3 controler (AKA the Boomerang)?
Personaly after seeing this pic, it looked rather comfortable to me...

http://tinypic.com/jv116b.jpg


Tommy Tallarico

I hated the boomerang design. They got enough negative feedback from developers to make it similar to the current PS2. There will NOT be a boomerang (thank God!)

Aparently he got the information from SCEA CEO Kaz hirai, who he talked to at CES


60 -
Unregistered - Someone 01.14.2006 05:34
There wont be no news from this event, its developers only, it say's so on the site, something I did find at the site though, was this:

"Mike Kavallierou
Director
Mike has been back at SCEE since May 2003, having spent the previous 2 and a half years at Microsoft working on Xbox and Xbox Live. His first industry job was also at SCEE working on PlayStation and PlayStation 2 in developer support up until the day of European launch. He has a great collection of NDAs from his previous employers, and his current focus is network technologies on all platforms.

Mike is going to talk about PS3 networking"


61 - GUESS WHAT GUY'S?
Unregistered - Someone 01.14.2006 06:00
I think I found out what Sony's secret event is, they did the same thing for PS2 check this out http://home.znet.com/kbender/tokyo/psfest/psfest.htm

What do ya think?


62 -
Unregistered - Someone 01.14.2006 06:06
Another link http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=11199

63 -
Unregistered - Someone 01.14.2006 06:22
Yea I'm pretty certain Playstation festival will be held again in February: here is another great link explaining the run up to PS2's launch.

http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/february04/ps2timeline/index2.shtml


64 - To Someone
Havoc 01.14.2006 16:24
Yea Sony was doing an event in February but cancelled it and said they would do
a different kind of event that would surprise gamers.

This was posted back in September.

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/ps3stillanoshow.shtml

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6671

I don't think we should get too excited untill Sony reconfirms this though.


65 - Open your eyes!!!!!!!!
Unregistered - Lord Seiryu 01.14.2006 20:19
Open your eyes sonyfanboys before its too late look to the future of gaming in xboxlive. When sony ps3 comes out the xbox360 will be in Christmas like 330 or less and will have more games and a GREAT service of Xbox Live than ps3, don't ignore that MTV and Direct TV are making their way to the XboxLive Service. What sony its doing its trying to push the Blue Ray disk technology using you guys Videogame fans, right now we don't need that amount of space in the discs. How much for a Blue-Ray disk player? ($2,000-$1,800) - HD-DVD players ($700-$500). the only way that you will see a dfferences in ghaphics in a PS3 than a Xbox 360 its in the 1080p. Do you have a 1080p TV? Yes? good for you. No? Well stop planning to buy a new car and get one of those expensive HDTV's. Oh and another thing, ( http://vterrain.org/packages/IUE/ ) enjoy it.

66 - ABOVE
Unregistered - jojo 01.14.2006 20:42
YOU ARE THE LORD OF SH!T!!!STOP POSTING FROM YOUR A@@ FANBOY!

67 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.14.2006 21:59
You should open your eyes, Billy is screwing you, cause you have to pay $100 for a cheap 20GB HDD. Sorry but I'm not that dumb and I also won't pay $400 for a console with normal DVD-Drive. I better pay $500-$600 for a PS3 with Blue-Ray. How much did you say will a Blue-Ray player cost? $1800-$2000? Now the PS3 sound like a best buy for me and I've got much more in it than in a normal Blue-Ray player. You say Sony is rushing Blue-Ray and they are using us. Wake up Xbug, Sony is thinking about future. Do you really think we won't need Blue-Ray, let's say in about 2 years? Think twice Xbug before you post. Nobody of us will buy your beloved Xflop cause of your ridiculous posts. Xflop is junk compared to PS3, better CPU, better GPU, better games and Blue-Ray => PS3 RULES BIGTIME !!! Sony will dominate the market like last time, no they will dominate even more now that they have the superior console.

68 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.14.2006 22:00
And oh Xbug, I forgot to say that by the time PS3 is out, the price for HDTV will surely drop.

69 - Do u know ?
Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 01:42
hey 67! Do you know how much space its going to take the new stupid security code of sonylandia in the Blue-Ray? So how much space is left? oh and another thing, How much its going to cost a Blue-Ray disk? Do you know? HD-DVD its going to be a 30gb only? NO oh i make a research and theres a 40gb coming soon! ooohh and another thing i don't buy a video game console to see movies!!!!!! JA JA JA oohhh and if i buy a Blue-Ray Player i have to buy again all my movies and series collection like "Band of Brothers HBO, Last Samurai, Gladiator, 13 days, SeaBiscuit, Seven, Shindler's List, Sea Biscuit, Friends, Star Wars, my Anime Collection "Cowboy Beebop, Macross, Akira, Ghost in the Shell". etc. etc. alot of DVD's right? so why Blue-Ray when a HD-DVD Disk can do the same? the only difference its in the space. If you buy a 360 without a HDD of course you need to buy 1 HDD so its $300+$100= retarded move no doubt. Why MS Xbox leave NVidia for ATI? Interesting Huh? Do you know how much a 1080p TV cost? Why MS Xbox360 don't use the 1080p? Hey i have money and im not planning to buy a Expensive 1080p HDTV now! are u planning to buy one? Hello "1080p" . So you are collecting to buy a PS3? Guess what me too (for Gran Turismo and Ace Combat) but not right now im going to wait for his 3rd year to buy it, if the Blue-Ray by any miracle win cause hey "the consumer its the one who Choose" this sound like Betamax vs VHS to me. oh and another thing xbox360 don't use a HD-DVD or a Blue-Ray Drive, Right? Then why Fight night Round 3 look the same in both consoles PS3 and Xbox360? at 720p of course? oh and by the way make a research to find out who have better performance in GPU, CPU and Bandwith. LIVE its the future in VideoGame Consoles THE ONLINE, YEAH WHERE U CAN PLAY MMO GAMES! OH and Halo its not the only good game in Xbox WHAT ABOUT DoA Serie, Ninja Gaiden Black (and sorry NO theres no Team Ninja Games coming to PS3 Sorry), Doom3 and Resurrection of Evil, Fable, Forza Motorsport, etc. etc. oh and another thing you prefer to pay 200 more for a Videogame console? Whoa thats Stupid! Shame on u! a videogame console?. oh my god! sony whant me to work more hours to collect money to buy a stupid console? Dude theres people starving in the world and u are working more hours to buy a console that its going to do the same graphics of the xbox360. Oh and by the way ( http://vterrain.org/packages/IUE/ ).

70 - oh another thing 67
Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 02:16
I play video games since atari and i collect consoles since Nintendo. Im not a fanboy of MS! im just trying to tell u guys that sony is taking advantage of the videogame industry! Do we really need Blue Ray????? Is there a lot of life in HD-DVD????? oooh i see MOVIE Business! thats all im hearing from sonylandia. Who make the Sony PlayStation? Who make the Blue-Ray? Of course they are going to use the Blue-Ray in the Ps3 cause they have more videogame fans (for the moment) that mean more Blue-Ray Clients!
Do we really need Blue-Ray (more expensive than HD-DVD's) I have a question for u. What if the Blue-Ray fall, What are u going to do with your PS3BLueRay? Kojima said that theres no big difference in PS3 and Xbox360 in Graphics. Tomonobu Itagaki said that Team Ninja its going to support the most powerfull console, 2 respected videogame designers. oh and by the way Ninja Gaiden Black Rules!!!!!!!!!


71 - patience
BillGatesSucks 01.15.2006 02:59
The main reason I want the PS3 to launch? To shut up brain dead idiots like #70. Hey brain dead, this is a PS3 sight devoted to news about the PS3, go preach your crap somewhere else.

72 - To # 69
Unregistered - James 01.15.2006 08:14
"Do you know how much space its going to take the new stupid security"

Not much space, probably a little more than the security on a DVD or didn't you know DVD had security too? and CD


73 - to 71
Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 10:07
The security code not only take "MORE MORE" space than the NTSC in a DVD, its a new stupid and ridiculous idea too, and its not going to favor us. READ about it! oh and by the way i have a 360 and im planning to buy 3 more for my LanParty & OnlineParty with my friends here in my house, the same day that ps3 comes out, cause now u make me a Xboxfan. Xbox360 & The Revolution (YEAH the REV) are the only ones favoring us the videogames consumer with their new ideas for today and the future, (READ) stop been such a psfan for the moment and u will notice, its not only all about the Graphics. mmm... Xbox & Game Cube trow better Graphics than the ps2 but anyway... oh why the ps2 win over the Dreamcast? Read about i! The DVD player "MOVIE Business", it favor the games? NO but u pay for it anyway. Why they are not offering the Blue-Ray only in the Movie Arena (Blue-Ray Disk Players for movies Hello!) cause people will notice that the only difference it just a little space bettewn them (HD-DVDs are not only going to be 30gb or 40gb only) so what are they doing? taking advantage from u the videogame consumer trowing u all that hype ("You will see Graphics like TOY STORY" -ps2 yeah right! "Now they say u will see Graphics like Jurasic Park" -ps3) Dream its so easy!
in 5 years Nintendo and Xbox are going to be big steps in front in the online business than PS. so who's looking to the future favoring you uh! I bet You start playing videogames since PS1 and don't have Xbox with XboxLIVE. I never saw a PS control making his way to the PC Game arena, What about the new X360 controller? Ha! do u think that people in japan are only waiting for ps3, don't forget "The Rev", Yeah im buying that too. Im not a MS Xboxfan, im a Videogame fan in general, but i don't like whats sony its doing to the Videogame industry "We want people to work more hours to buy a ps3" You want to see who's favoring the videogame industry?
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars?83366


74 - To # 73
Unregistered - James 01.15.2006 11:42
Your a fool, Sony are looking to the future with PS3, Blu-ray wont be just 25/50gig they have in the lab a 200gig disc. 1080p the highest high def resolution available today with dual output makes PS3 future proof. The games are the best on PS3, dont understand why you think otherwise, Shadow of the collosus for instance, THE best game to date on any system according to IGN.
Since you supplied a link for people to read, so will I:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html
Hope you enjoy the read
When you have finished with that, why not watch the video review for shadow of the collosus here http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/490/490849/vids_1.html


75 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.15.2006 13:44
"ooohh and another thing i don't buy a video game console to see movies!!!!!!"
Ooooohhhh you must know more than the whole world besides Sony. Are you sure there won't be no Blue-Ray games, let's say about in 2-3 years?

"JA JA JA oohhh and if i buy a Blue-Ray Player i have to buy again all my movies"
Ohhhhh lil Xbug, now you really show how much you know. I think I have to tell you that Blue-Ray can just like HD-DVD play normal dvds so you don't need to buy all your movies again ;-)

" If you buy a 360 without a HDD of course you need to buy 1 HDD so its $300+$100"
Ohhhh Xbug, how do you know HD-DVD for your Xflop will cost $100(you must know again more than the whole world ;-))? Ohhhhh, MS already said it won't be cheap, expect a price between $200-$300. So you have to pay $600-$700 for a console that have a useless DVD-Drive, cause you could use HD-DVD for both IF MS would do it from the start.

"Why MS Xbox leave NVidia for ATI?"
Are you sure it was that way? Ohhhh Xbug, I have to tell you NVidia is the King of GPU's.

"Why MS Xbox360 don't use the 1080p?"
Simple question with simple answer: Xflop360 just doesn't have enough power.

"Hey i have money and im not planning to buy a Expensive 1080p HDTV now! are u planning to buy one?"
Not now Xbug, we have some time untill the PS3 launch and the price for HD-TV will surely drop untill then.

"if the Blue-Ray by any miracle win"
So you take the HD-DVD win for granted and when Blue-Ray would win, it would be a miracle?
Ohhhh Xbug, I have to tell you that most experts declare Blue-Ray the winner.

"Then why Fight night Round 3 look the same in both consoles PS3 and Xbox360?"
Multiplatfrom games look always almoust same, cause it's too expensive to take the full advantages of all consoles. You will see big differences only in PS3 exclusive games.

"oh and by the way make a research to find out who have better performance in GPU, CPU and Bandwith."
Yes my friend, I did it several times, here is one site of many:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614783p1.html
PS3 is better in every aspect, CPU, GPU, Memory, Network and wireless input.
Do you really think 100BASE-TX Ethernet is future proof? Think about it my friend.

"LIVE its the future in VideoGame Consoles THE ONLINE, YEAH WHERE U CAN PLAY MMO GAMES!"
Only 5%-10% of people use XboxLive and such service is not a future. I play MMO GAMES since years on my PC and this for free. This is future my friend, FREE online gaming.

"Ninja Gaiden Black (and sorry NO theres no Team Ninja Games coming to PS3 Sorry)"
Now we come to the best part ;-) Sorry, but Sony beats MS handsdown when it comes to games. I get most of your Xflop stuff on my great PC and we don't need NG, we have enough of great games that you can only dream of, even if you got a powerful PC.

"oh and another thing you prefer to pay 200 more for a Videogame console? Whoa thats Stupid! Shame on u! a videogame console?"
Well my friend, you must be stupid, you pay $400 bucks for a $hitty console, I pay $600 for a technically superior multimedia system. Yes my friend, multimedia system and not console. If I add to it that Blue-Ray players will cost about $1000-$1800, well then PS3 appears to me like a best buy.

"What if the Blue-Ray fall, What are u going to do with your PS3BLueRay?"
Playing Blue-Ray games? One question for you, what if HD-DVD fails? Will Billy release then an external Blue-Ray drive? What about all the people that already bought the HD-DVD? Will they get it replaced? Probably not, they will get screwed, cause they can't use it even for games.

"Kojima said that theres no big difference in PS3 and Xbox360 in Graphics."
He never said that, he only said that MGS4 would be technically possible on 360. But that doesn't mean it would look same my friend. His comparison is btw nonsense, cause he never worked with the 360. Even developers need to work with the hardware to know about it. How many times did we have developers that couldn't do everything they first wanted and realised that only in the middle of the progress, after they already spend a lot of time working with the hardware? Way to many times my friend. Kojima is a developer my friend and not a clairvoyant.

"Tomonobu Itagaki said that Team Ninja its going to support the most powerfull console, 2 respected videogame designers."
Sorry Xbug, you got something wrong here, they said MS has Xboxlive, Nintedo the innovative controller and sony the powerful console.

"oh and by the way i have a 360 and im planning to buy 3 more for my LanParty & OnlineParty with my friends here in my house"
Well my friend, 2 PS3 would be enough for it. You should know PS3 handles 2 screens. That makes 4 screens with 14 players. That would cost around $1200.
4 Xflop360 would handle also 4 screens and only with 2 more players. That would cost around $1600 or little less if you would go for the cheap version without wireless and HDD.
Soooooo dear Xbug, as hard as it sounds, it appears PS3 is way better for lan and onlineparty. You can even throw with one console a small lanparty with 7 players and 2 screens.

"Xbox360 & The Revolution (YEAH the REV) are the only ones favoring us the videogames consumer with their new ideas for today and the future"

I have nothing against BigN but MS is a joke. What ideas? Screwing you with the cheap 20GB HDD for $100? Screwing you with the normal DVD-Drive? This are surely great ideas ;-)

"stop been such a psfan for the moment and u will notice, its not only all about the Graphics"
It's about graphics and games my friend.

"Xbox & Game Cube trow better Graphics than the ps2"
But have the inferior games and let's not forget that they were both relesed more than 1 year later.

"("You will see Graphics like TOY STORY" -ps2 yeah right! "Now they say u will see Graphics like Jurasic Park" -ps3)"
Sony made a mistake with the Toy Story statement, but hell who doesn't? MS is way worse when it comes to lies. I don't know where you have the Jurasic Park statement from, but we expect games like the demos that were shown. Sony always delivered when they showed demos before.

"in 5 years Nintendo and Xbox are going to be big steps in front in the online business than PS"
With 100BASE-TX Ethernet? Buahahahahaha, but hey, MS will surely be big steps in front in screwing you with Xboxlive. I already pay for my broadband internet and expect online gaming for free. If Sony decides to do something like Live and wants money for it, I surely won't use it. To be honest, I'm pretty happy with my free PC online gaming.

"I never saw a PS control making his way to the PC Game arena, What about the new X360 controller?Ha!"
But I saw thousands of copies of the PS controller. Sony btw unlike MS doesn't produce PC input devices, or are there many Sony mouses around?

"Yeah im buying that too. Im not a MS Xboxfan, im a Videogame fan in general"

No my friend, you are a big Billyballswinger and a passionate Sony hater.

So to sum it up dear Xbug, MS is screwing you with the cheap 20GB HDD, normal DVD-Drive, 100BASE-TX Ethernet, hell the whole $hitty Xflop and Xboxlive. Sorry Xbug, time to open your eyes, MS is screwing you bigtime.


76 - Previous post was to #69, 70, 73 aka Lord Xbug
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.15.2006 13:47
Checkmate Xbot buahahahahaha

77 - This time Sony its in danger.
Unregistered - CrazyTrigger 01.15.2006 14:39
im planning to buy a PS3 and a Xbox360 and i like Sony for real but... I heard bad news about their online service, its not comparable with the xboxlive service. sony online service its free but its like that Freecheap xboxlive its only $50 a year just $50 and theres a big rumor that in the weekends its goin to be free for the silver live subscribers thats good news.


78 - Everybody go to:
Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 14:47
http:///arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars?83366

79 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.15.2006 15:28
For $50 I get a game, I wouldn't pay a dime for it. I'm already paying for my broadband internet and that should be enough.

80 - Its just $50 dude
Unregistered - CrazyTrigger 01.15.2006 15:43
if you pay $50 for the xboxlive you are receiving a great online service. But when its free what you expect from a free service?

81 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.15.2006 16:06
Xbug, this guy is mostly talking about the Xenon. What we need is a comparison and I already red many and Cell beats Xenon handsdown. You must be a jerk if you think different. IBM btw developed both CPU's and they are only really excited about the Cell. Checkmate.

82 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.15.2006 16:09
Well, I have very much fun with my PC online games and I won't pay a dime for some service I don't need.

83 - don't be a fool DaGame
Unregistered - N Guy 01.15.2006 16:46
you are just another PS3 fan too just like Xboxfans
cell processor its good for games just like the xenon and you know it but the X its just slightly more powerfull for all his features, accept that, theres a lot of developers jumping to the xbox360 cause developing for the ps3 its more expensive just to give the same quality. I don't see square enix staying just with PS3, and Kojima its not going to be so stupid to stay with PS3 only


84 - to comment 83
Havoc 01.15.2006 17:36


Ted Price Insomniac Games PSM INTERVIEW

- PSM, What excites you, as a developer, about the ps3?

- Ted Price, as a developer, says memory and processing power excites him most about working with the PS3. Also, he seems to love Blu-Ray Disc format.

- PSM, What's your honest opinion of xbox 360 versus ps3?

- Ted Price, They're both very powerful machines, but like every console war to date, it's all about the games. While xbox 360 has the advantage of coming out earlier and reputedly being easier to develop on, PS3 has more raw horsepower. I think what you'll see on ps3 at luanch are games that look as good or better than xbox 360 games, but a couple years down the road, the gap will widen between the ps3 games and xbox 360 games as ps3 developers discover better ways to take advantage of the cell's unique architecture.

PSM: What's one big thing you can tell us about your next game that will get us even more excited about it?

Ted Price: While there aren't any Lambaxes in the game, you definitely get to blow lots of stuff up! Plus we'll be drawing 529,670,000,000 polygons per frame (give or take a few), the game will be run by an AI that can also do your taxes or your homework for you and we'll support full-body biofeedback suits. Probably. (Editor's note; Ted is just being silly here. We think. You never know...)


"LAIR" developer

Ultimately, the decision to become a PS3 developer boiled down to finding the best fit. "It came down to talking to Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, but Sony just [made the most convincing argument]," Eggebrecht says. "I'd love in the future to work on another Star Wars title, [but] working on an original IP is so much more exciting. It was tough finding a publisher, but Sony was totally cool about it."

http://ps3.qj.net/

Developers will keep developing for ps3 if the installed user base is big enough regardless of cost. The ps3 may be expensive to dev for but the 360 aint cheap either. After time goes by the cost to develop games will go down, and you'll start to see more games cheap looking games like Britney's Dance Beat and olsen twins' adventures. But if anything you'll start to see more support on the ps3 for example games like Half Life 2 which couldn't really be done on the ps2 becuase of the limitations of the hardware. There will definatly be more support from the pc on the ps3 then there was on the ps2.


85 - woohoo
Unregistered - arkayeis 01.16.2006 03:20
Famitsu reported that Tecmo's president Yoshimi Yasuda will be revealing the company's plans for PlayStation 3, most likely at the PlayStation Conference in February 2006.

86 - To Havoc
Unregistered - Someone 01.16.2006 04:45
Here is a more up to date link http://www.ps3portal.com/general/article/252.html
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"The PlayStation Conference is due to arrive in February, an ideal time to release new information before the system's current launch window. Past conferences have yielded valuable information about upcoming PlayStation games and products, suggesting

In early March, the PlayStation 3 Developer's conference is also due to occur in London. The conference is promised to cover nearly every part of PlayStation 3 development, including software and hardware components of the console. Presentations from various developers are also expected, raising the chance of the release of information about launch titles.

Although events like the Tokyo Gaming Show and the Consumer Electronics Show have failed to release vital details on Sony's new machine, there are still plenty of events left to debut all the system's details. All gamers can do now is be patient, and wait for February to come. Stay tuned to PS3Portal for the latest PlayStation 3 developments."
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So they either show something in FEB or wait till GDC in March, I wish they would hurry up and announce something, I think Sony has had us waiting too long now.


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