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02 Jan 2006 14:47 | Webmaster | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
Tommy Tallarico who review games for G4 and who also has been involved in over 200 game projects in his 15 years in the game biz has made some interesting comments about the PS3 games that are currently in development. After seeing some of the games in action he was clearly impressed with what he saw, stating that the first generation of PS3 games is much more impressive than what we have seen on the Xbox 360 so far[ "Unfortunately I am under strict NDA and cannot mention any titles. The gameplay graphics look a little better than minor... but it more of the way the worlds and environments are being created and built. For example... in Project Gotham racing if you stop on the side of the road and look at a tree... it is basically just two texture maps pasted together in a cross pattern (like games have done for the past 10 years)... but some of the stuff I'm seeing on the PS3 has every element of a tree including branches, leaves, etc... and it all gets affected by the wind as your car passes by... as well as the lighting. Not saying the 360 CAN'T do that... I'm just saying that from what I've seen.... I'm a lot more impressed with the 1st generation PS3 titles compared to the 1st gen 360 titles. "] Add Comment  1 -
Unregistered - nothing new here 01.02.2006 15:08 i think we all saw this comming sin first gen x360 titles were not developed on the full potential of the system.........nothing new here. 2 -
We all know this.Unregistered - Oblivion 01.02.2006 15:30 ^^True words.They havent even scratched the surface of the 360 yet.When the ps3 comes out we'll be seing roughly the same qaulity of graphic on both consoles. Just look at Gears of War.It stands its own against any of the "realtime" ps3 games so far. Most oof are Qs will be answered in a few days at CES. 3 -
Tommy Tallico?Unregistered - Cray 01.02.2006 15:46 Yes. I have seen him on G4. But come on. Do we really need his "expert" advice on next-gen gaming? At least it is an article with an actual name. I hate that this site is scrounging for news. Just give me a release date. 4 -
?????????????Unregistered - ninja0327 01.02.2006 16:02 with the prevoius post about "ps3's problems" and this new post i really don't know what to beleive. 5 -
Unregistered - gamerzg 01.02.2006 16:18 He has actualy had a hands on experiance with the system he is under a NCDA, which is a non-circumvention agreement. Basicly means he can't share any information he has experienced or he can face legal trouble. 6 -
Unregistered - this is for number 4 01.02.2006 16:36 this forum is just for fun,dont believe anyway,util u can see it with your own eyes and hold it with your own hands 99% what we know about the ps3 is simply specilation. since there is still no playable games out. 7 -
More BS by SonyUnregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.02.2006 17:23 Another person supposedly claiming PS3 is better. WHERE is the PROOF? all I hear is words and some real-time BS. Sony must be really worried about something to put out propaganda like this. Show something real like a working PS3 or a playable demo. Until that time all this is BS and just propaganda. I am sure Sony doesn’t have anything to show at CES. They will give you more real-time. They would not even show a working PS3. Which Sony fanboy think they are going to see a playable demo at CES? 8 -
to comment 7Havoc 01.02.2006 17:33 Stop crying, do you really think Sony is going to show more trailers at CES? 9 -
Hmm...Unregistered - Hmm... 01.02.2006 17:59 No.7, can you feel the pressure ? Sh*tting your pants yet sonny boy ? Looks like you are. I mean its a bit silly of accusing Sony of this being propaganda if you look at things Microsoft has done in the past which were a bit...desperate. You seem like another Xflambe fanboy thats in denial that Sonys currently doing very well to 'woo' the crowd. 10 -
Unregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 18:38 Xbot fanbois in panic mode, cos they know Sony is gonna deliver at CES. I've actualy seen the trees in PGR3 and the guy is right in what he says, it was actualy the first thing I noticed about the game, how bad the trees looked. 11 -
okUnregistered - BK 01.02.2006 18:54 first of all u cant thrust what is based on one persons opinion. he may like eating snail do you? its opiniong based so this really doest resolve anything or show anything to anyone. and stpo with the CES thins. you guys made the same big hype for E3 and all u got were some demos. you really cant say sony will orwill not deliver at CES. are any of you actually going there? i bet not. and stop specualating CES is a few more days away so stop flamng at eachother like fags. and stop the crap with xbots your worse than any xbox fanboy because you are so close minded with all the "hpe ur house burns down cuz ur 360" yet we all no only 4% are affected and microsoft replaces them on the spot. and we all got through the which system is better thing that is also opiniong based and here where i am its a free country and anyone can think what they want. Bring some facts and we'll discuss them but this is just opinion and this can prove absollutely nothing. 12 -
xbox2 and ps3Unregistered - ok 01.02.2006 18:55 ok seriously i know the xbox360 games that came out used like 40% of the console power.ok i know that gears of war looks great.ok i know that ps3 dosent have playable demos. but then i still can compare two games thats not playable and realtime proof gears of war Vs MGS4 Seriously i got both trailer in high def and after like watchin them 100times for me and i repeat for me MGS4 looks better. thats that the rest i dont care. 13 -
12 correctionUnregistered - 12 01.02.2006 18:56 i wanted to say non playable BUT realtime proof :) 14 -
Unregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 18:58 Hey Xbots, they havent even scratched the surface of the PS3 yet either, or did you forget the system isnt even out yet? not only that but first games (just like X360 games) wont be finished on final devkits you morons, developers dont switch devkits when the game is almost complete, final devkits for PS3 were released in December. 15 -
PS3 IS BETTERbraddog 01.02.2006 18:58 Lately i seen some awesome reviews of xbox360 games, i gotta admit they look cool. But so far what i have seen the, PS3 games will better then the xbox360 first release games out now. Better graphics to the max! 16 -
omgUnregistered - BK 01.02.2006 19:11 none of the things you saw where in game gameplay. they where a demo of the engine. It was a sequence that showed what the in game COULD look like. thing is it was a movie and in a movie everything is predictable but to eliminate lags and stuff their going to need to tone down everything just like how ps2 happened. the first gen xbox 360 titles used less than a mere 20% of the console while a game like MGS4 uses about 75% especially at points with particles and everything flying everywhere (IF thats how in game will be which will not). MS put a lot of time in developing hardware while sony did the opposite and is working on software. and devs have already scratched the surface of both consoles my friend nice try. 17 -
andUnregistered - BK 01.02.2006 19:15 beta dev kits which where 90% as good as the ifnal dev kits were released in the beginning of the year again nice try. i dont know if u guyz are stupid or u work hard to be stupid. your jsut making stuff up and selling them to people gullible enough to buy into it. pathetic simply pathetic. 18 -
TO BKUnregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 19:37 "beta dev kits which where 90% as good as the ifnal dev kits were released in the beginning of the year again nice try." You got a link that states that? I thought not, "NICE TRY" 19 -
Unregistered - huh? 01.02.2006 19:38 I don't even get the importance of this article? I'd think everyone would be pretty pissed off if games released almost 6-12 months after X360 launch titles weren't superior =P This has nothing to do with the fact they're PS3 games, or PC or X360 games for that matter, it's all common sense that they look better. Imagine how it would look if they didn't look better! Now that would be news worthy. 20 -
Unregistered - huh? 01.02.2006 19:41 Braddog, don't you expect a year old PC game to not look as good as games being released now? Of course they will look better, Sony isn't stupid =P What you need to compare, is the games being released for PC and X360 WHEN the PS3 launch titles are released. Which is beyond games like Gears of War for example, or (obviously) UT 2007 for PC...makes you think. 21 -
To # 16Unregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 19:44 "MS put a lot of time in developing hardware while sony did the opposite and is working on software." Sony has spent close to 2 billion on Cell, you know how much M$ invested in its tri core processor? 200+ million about 250 Million. The link I gave in the previouse article to this also shows that M$ didnt start working on its GPU until 1 year after Sony started on theirs with nVidia, now tell me, which console has had the most thought and money put into it again? 22 -
Unregistered - figured something out 01.02.2006 19:45 sorry to post yet again (last 2 were mine too), but something seems pretty obvious to me, and shows how close all platforms will be (in my opinion). By the time PS3 comes out, we will probably have seen games like Gears of War and UT 2007, well looking at the newest movie for GoW, or screens from UT2007...All those demo's from Motorstorm, MGS4, etc. don't really seem that overly impressive. Wait, wrong wording, of course they're impressive; but so are GoW and UT2007! So all these "expected final product" PS3 movies don't seem that impossible anymore. At least, not in my opinion. Unless someone can show me some games with more detail than those UT 2007 screens, newest GoW movie, or the MGS video. In my opinion (from what we've seen), GoW looks the best so far, but quite a few unbiased people I know prefer MGS, so I guess that mainly has to do with style. They must be pretty similar in the graphics department. 23 -
Unregistered - #21 01.02.2006 19:48 Look it up, and don't follow your one link too closely. You're forgetting a few things. The Cell tech that cost that much money, is not the one you'll be finding in the PS3, it's actually still even in development. Also, if you'd use google a bit more, you'd see that your source is actually even wrong about something else. Microsoft had started research/development of their CPU/GPU 6-12 months after they finished the Xbox. Which is only a few months after it's introduction to the public. 24 -
To 23Unregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 19:55 The Cell in PS3 is the same Cell they are still working on and improveing yields to bring future production costs down, you crack me up sometimes you Xbox fangirls. 25 -
BK U SUCKUnregistered - jojo 01.02.2006 19:57 YOUR INTELLIGENCE IS 20% LESS THAN A MONKEY AND 75%OF YOUR BRAIN CRASHED LIKE THE 360.AND STOP ALL OF YOU WITH PERCENTAGE BULLCRAP..... YOU DON'T KNOW SH!T! 26 -
To 23 againUnregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 20:04 When Xbox was finished PS3 was already undergoing R&D when PS2 launched about 1.9 months before Xbox came out. M$ was undicided on which GPU manufacturer to go with and 1 year after PS3 GPU from Nvidia was in developement, M$ opted for ATI for its next gen system, if you can call it next gen that is. I follow the news all the time, unlike you who just pulls stuff from your ass. 27 -
To 23 Unregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 20:10 That was supposed to be 1 year and 9 months that the PS3 was in R&D before Xbox launched 28 -
who caresUnregistered - hoehand 01.02.2006 20:16 it dosent how good their first gen looks by then ill be starting my second gen of 360 29 -
Unregistered - not an xbox fan 01.02.2006 20:37 yeah good, in racing game you are really going to stop and look at a tree for 30 mins 30 -
To # 29Unregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 20:49 That isnt the point, you dont have to stop and look at the trees in PGR3 to see they look bad, like I said it was the first thing I noticed, the trees looked out of place for the game. The car models look great and in c0ckpit mode on certain tracks the game looks pretty realistic, but the trees... well they shouldn't have even included them, they make the game look dated. 31 -
Two thumbs downBOSS 01.02.2006 21:05 First gen movies more impessive than Xbox 360 games. Any body got some popcorn? 32 -
And all the xbots in xville cried boo hoo hooBillGatesSucks 01.02.2006 21:16 I am SO glad this news has been posted here on this site. I've seen it discussed in other forums but now that it's here, I am happy. It has all you pathetic little xbots stomping your feet in frustration. Huddy cries "The PS3 is unrefined!" and you all shout. Kojima declares the "technical possibility" for MGS4 to run on the 360 and you're overjoyed. Now, Tallarico states 1st gen PS3 games are far more impressive than 1st gen 360 games, and suddenly you're crying foul. "first of all u cant thrust what is based on one persons opinion" But we can trust YOUR opinion, right BK? Because....why? I think I will trust the opinion of an industry expert rather than yours. 33 -
Unregistered - dave 01.02.2006 21:23 good for ps3 thay had more time to develope the games, the xbox games where rushed. 34 -
Unregistered - Dave 01.02.2006 21:24 they have i ment, sry. 35 -
To # 33Unregistered - someone 01.02.2006 21:51 Not just the games were rushed, the console build was rushed and the launch was rushed, M$ are in such a rush to try grab as many gamers as possible, just a shame most people are interested in PS3 or should I say, waiting to see what Sony has to offer before buying a console. Sony are in no rush and have never been first to market with a console, Ms head start doesnt worry Sony, they will reveal all about PS3 when they are ready and give people a taste of playable content, when they are ready. All I can see all over the net is M$, some gameing sites and the Xbot fangirls all in panic mode, as CES grows ever nearer. 36 -
Unregistered - To #23 01.02.2006 22:02 I laugh at your ignorance! 37 -
It's overUnregistered - code_x 01.02.2006 22:10 PS3 is simply more powerful...game over. 38 -
XboxBOSS 01.02.2006 22:14 Microsoft has simply more money ..... game over 39 -
PAUL CERULA 01.02.2006 22:24 Look MGS4 and killzone both set to release A YEAR LATER in 2007. Plus the actual game does not have to be what the trailer ran and looked like. If your basing your decision on MGS4 and killzone trailers your being a fool. The guy who's making mgs4 kojima said both consoles are equal in power but ps3 is just a very very tad bit powerful. 40 -
ughUnregistered - BK 01.02.2006 22:31 1) NO IDIOT company starts making their next console after the second their current console has come out. so you sire are an idiot to think sony was making ps3 right after their ps2 came out. they wait a year or so. 2)i never said anything against this guy but as long as he could be paid 1k$ to say one company is better then the other you cant thrust his opinion. first of all he said nothing of which game or when because he will get in legal trouble? this is all an advertisement. im sure none of you know of hex 128 (i think it was 128) or origin or the psp graphities all over the US. you guyz no nothing of marketing and you see someones remarks and you go crazy over it. and the reason why you cant especially listong to this guy is because he has no facts at least the ATi dude had some facts behind him. 3) beta dev kits. have you ever heard of beta software or test beta version? beta is almost as good as the final why is it not final? because it still has a few bugs that needs to be taken care of. All beta dev kits are 90% above as good as their final counter parts because everything is finalized but there may be a few bugs in the functions. MS or M$ as you put it updates their consoles via xbox live something that sony doesnt so even if anything needs to be updated in the xbox 360 it can be easily done the moment you sign in xbox live. 4) and for the last damn time sony is done with their hardware so no the cell will no longer be updated!!!! 41 -
TO BKUnregistered - Gamer 01.02.2006 23:04 1) Your the one who is the "IDIOT" Sony are already thinking about PS4, Kutaragi has already expressed his dream for future consoles. PS2 was in R&D straight after PSX launch same with PS3 after PS2 launch, dont you read the god damn news? 2) I dont have a clue what you were trying to say their, must be some un-known Xbot language, I've never seen before. 3) I know what beta devkits are but you clearly don't, PS3's Beta devkit was running a Cell chip at 2.4Ghz with 6800 ultra, is that realy 90% of final hardware? NO, so STFU. IF! beta kits were 90% of final hardware, then you are now playing 90% of the overall power on your X360 by your thinking, as the launch games were finalised on beta kits. 4)The cell will be updated you moron, Sony, Toshiba and IBM will not continue to produce the Cell processor @ 90nm they are working to go to 65nm then 45nm to reduce production costs, stop pulling shee out of your ass, your nothing but an Xbox fanboi, with no brains. 42 -
BK you klutzUnregistered - bo 01.02.2006 23:09 "1) NO IDIOT company starts making their next console after the second their current console has come out. so you sire are an idiot to think sony was making ps3 right after their ps2 came out. they wait a year or so." Wrong. Nintendo Revolution was being developed right after the cube came out. PS3, as the guy above said, started development when Xbox 1 was finished. Xbox 360 development started right after Xbox 1 was released, as J. Allard said. The difference is that PS3 has been almost 6 years in development, while the 360 took 4, if not a little less. Way to be a fan, putz. "2)i never said anything against this guy but as long as he could be paid 1k$ to say one company is better then the other you cant thrust his opinion. " Where is your proof for that? How do you know he is being bribed? Is it so hard to believe that the PS3 is way better than you expected? "first of all he said nothing of which game or when because he will get in legal trouble? this is all an advertisement." It's called a contract, dumbass. Developers can't talk about consoles unless they are allowed, otherwise their asses will be sued. Just like Kojima found it hard to keep the Revolution controller secret, but he had to, there is a contract. "im sure none of you know of hex 128 (i think it was 128) or origin or the psp graphities all over the US." Yeah, we don't "no" anything, because you are the only gamer here, despite the fact that you will most likely get a 360 and just a 360. "you guyz no nothing of marketing and you see someones remarks and you go crazy over it." Actually, it is usually the 360 fanboys that had penis envy over the PS2 this generation because it outsold the Xbox by more than a 4:1 ratio, so they need to shout every time something good favors 360. "and the reason why you cant especially listong to this guy is because he has no facts at least the ATi dude had some facts behind him." Umm... what? The ATI dude, a Microsoft provider, hasn't seen PS3 games. Tallarico has seen games on both sides. This guy has worked for games on several consoles, not exclusively for one team, so who do you think is more biased, asshole? "3) beta dev kits. have you ever heard of beta software or test beta version? beta is almost as good as the final why is it not final? because it still has a few bugs that needs to be taken care of. All beta dev kits are 90% above as good as their final counter parts because everything is finalized but there may be a few bugs in the functions." And you pulled those statistics out of where... your ass I suppose? How do you know it's 90% and not 75%? or 80%? Or any number between 90 and 50 for that matter? "MS or M$ as you put it" Or $ony as you may put it " updates their consoles via xbox live" That's why they can screw up, "we'll do this later" "something that sony doesnt" Because it isn't needed? It's called quality control. You know... the Japanese do it more often than Americans. Also it is because the content is all in one disc, as it should always be without the need to pay extra for enjoying a game you bought already? " so even if anything needs to be updated in the xbox 360 it can be easily done the moment you sign in xbox live." Translation: 360 is rushed, so it'll need to be updated constantly. "4) and for the last damn time sony is done with their hardware so no the cell will no longer be updated!!!! " Umm, the hardware can still be updated just as Microsoft changed providers for the Xbox 1 DVD player. The thing is, they won't shell out as many crappy consoles, but hardware is always being optimized. So just in case, 2nd gen or 3rd gen PS3s could get optimized while still running the same games, but 1st gen PS3s will work fine, just with an older not so optimized hardware for production. 43 -
to comment 39Havoc 01.02.2006 23:46 No Paul your being a fool, so your saying don't buy a ps3 because MGS4 is coming out in 2007, then you would agree don't buy a xbox 360 because halo 3 is coming out in 2007. Look at yourself your being a hypocrite, do you believe Kojima or not. Oh you belive him when he says the ps3 and 360 are close in performence but you don't believe in the MGS4 realtime demo Kojima showed off. You just think the game is going to look totally different graphic wise. I mean Kojima tells you it's real time ingame engine then proves it to you but you just blow it off like it's nothing, then Kojima says yea this can be technically done on the 360 and you take that in with open arms and say the ps3 is just a very very tad bit powerful. Splinter cell can technically be done on the ps2 So does that mean the xbox is just a very very tad bit powerful than the ps2? We don't know how close the ps3 and 360 are in performence. Just stop it you sound like a Microsoft representative. 44 -
PAUL CERULA 01.03.2006 00:06 Havoc, First of all I said not to base your decision on the TRAILERS...not the system Second I didn't denounce buying a console for a game like mgs4 and halo 3 The fact that mgs4 trailer was in realtime was probably true but may not be the actual gameplay you experience. Like a cutscene in a game that looks better than the actual gameplay. Like putting more effort into a cutscene or trailer to give off the notion that that will be what the gameplay is. It may be...it can be by that time having close to two more years until launch. The most common comment from kojima is that you can run mgs4 easily on a xbox 360. This is not where I get the fact that he said both consoles are very close to equal. 1up.com had a episode with kojima and the host talks about his comments. I think its the 9th episode. 45 -
PAUL CERULA 01.03.2006 00:08 When i said 2 more years till launch i meant the game mgs4 in 2007 46 -
tommy tallorico is a credible sourceagent864 01.03.2006 00:31 this is the first unbiased credible source commenting on the PS3. I say that because I watch him on G4 and he tells it like it is. So hopefully we'll get to see some more in just a few short days .... Vegas CES 2006 baby! the buggy PS3 rumours may also be true, but its from an unnamed source who reportedly was exposed to an early dev kit, so I take some salt with that. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak so lets all wait and see. 47 -
It really hits homeUnregistered - Dragonopolis 01.03.2006 00:57 I wanted a xbox360. I read the reviews saw live demos of the Xbox360 and decided that the system was powerful enough for the money and had enough platform only titles that I like playing to feel good about the purchase. Sony boys plastered the news on the net about Xbox360 hardware problems and making it seem like MS was secretly playing down the hardware issue problems. Just Sony fanboy talk, right! Funny thing is I was going to get my first live try of a Xbox360 but still haven't because my friends Xbox360 got the red light of death (I guess microsoft decided blue wasn't enough). Then shortly after that, my buddy's friend got the red light of death on his Xbox360 (both got their 360's from totally different sources). I know sony had issues during the PS2 Launch, but I don't remember ever hearing any of my friends complaining about or suffering any major failures nor did I hear about it through the usual gossip chain about their friends having problems. My opinion, when you push the hype you better deliver and MS didn't. They instead rush out a beta machine that should have waited six months so games like GoW, Halo, and other killer titles could have had more time to be polished. Microsoft could have done more hardware testing and produced more units to make the World Wide launch smoother. If Xbox360 is truly more refine, (as the ATI guy puts it), then why did MS have to release so early. If us xboxfanboys supposedly know so much about marketing then we would know that first to market generally has a history of being the loser as far as electronic consumer market is concerned. Microsoft does have more money to throw at marketing since sony blew most of their money on cell and video display technology (one their main money makers). This would have put more pressure on Sony and sometimes people buckle under pressure. Microsoft will have had games comparable to games coming out on PS3 graphic wise and microsoft does have more room to play with as far as price of system because the Xbox360 is cheaper to produce than PS3. ( I personally believe MS could have sold the Xbox360 for less than they currently have set the prices at). I have come to the conclusion that MS's only reason for coming out this early was that they wanted to milk us Xboxfanboy's for more $. I believe they knew that alot of the Xbox360 units going out were beta units disguised as final units. They probably had tons of evil MS analysts calculate the cost of fixing those units vs waiting six months and battling out with Sony and discovered that they would make more money doing it this way. But analysts aren't human. They're cold calculating machines disguised as humans to trick us humans into battling amongst ourselves for money and toys. Anywho, MS took a gamble to make a buck and are going to pay the consequences for it. I and my friends and their friends (and so on) have passed the word of mouth and at least in my circle of friends we are P#s$ off at MS and that's alot of Xbox fans pissed of. Not good for business. Now how many Xbox fans have similar stories? It appears that the internet news was not quite hype up as thought. Having real life Xbox360 failures close to home and dismal Launch titles, I'll just sit tight and wait for CES. Sony needs to WOW us here -- NO movies --real games and the world might not come to the end after all. Oh wait, there's Nintendo. Hey, if they can produce Xbox 1.5 graphics (who cares about HD) and guarantee consistant 60fps for around $200 and a cool new controller to boot. I'm in! 48 -
Something for all of you to think aboutDev1032 01.03.2006 01:39 I'll make it simple for you all PS3 does raytracing X360 doesnt, X360 uses a different method which is called Procedural Synthesis, raytracing is a realistic method of rendering images or frames. Procedural Synthesis involves creating new data, geometry, textures, etc at runtime, which isnt a realistic form of rendering graphics. On top of that the X360 is useing compression, as a DVD only holds 9Gig of info, resulting in degraded content on the disc, which I actualy mentioned in another thread on here somewhere. 49 -
Whatever!!BOSS 01.03.2006 01:40 Microsoft will sell every XBOX 360 shipped to the USA. Regardless of what any of you say. 50 -
DOA4BOSS 01.03.2006 01:45 Have you guys seen Dead or Alive 4. Looks great doesnt it? 51 -
WHO!!!!!!BOSS 01.03.2006 01:48 Who the hell is Tommy Tallarico. Isnt He the janitor at McDonalds. 52 -
Specs for RSX have been released! Can you say multi-core?BillGatesSucks 01.03.2006 02:45 I posted this link in another thread but considering this is the hottest thread right now I thought I should post here as well. The specs for the RSX have been released and it appears Nvidia has been learning some lessons from Sony. The RSX is going to be multi-cored much like the Cell processor. The site is in translated Chinese so the grammar will seem a bit strange but the message is pretty obvious. http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fgames.sina.com.cn%2Fy%2Fn%2F2006-01-01%2F1357138708.shtml&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 53 -
Ha...Truth 01.03.2006 03:41 To the people spouting the current generation of XBOX 360 games haven't even scratched the surface... I laugh at you. CPU's today, especially multicored ones are meant to suck as much juice out of the GPU's as possible. It's all about efficiency boys and girls and the Cell is beyond comparison to the Xenos processor in the XBOX 360. There is no comparison so don't even try. So to those saying, "OMGOOZORROZ GEERS OF WAR IZ ONLE RUNIN ON 1 OF DA XBOX 360's PROCEZORS!!" again, I laugh at you. Even with a game like Gears of War running on all three processors it's not going to make the game look like the XBOX 720 or whatever shat name Microsoft decides to come up with. You may get slightly better physics and whatnot, but no where near the extent of what you'll get out of the Cell processor. Put it this way. You can have one of the 360's processors work on physics, another AI and what's the other left for? Hey... graphics. Then you have the Cell. One for physics, hell TWO for physics, one for... what the hell TWO for AI and you STILL have THREE left for graphics and whatnot. And that's ONLY the SPE's not the main Cell processor itself. Wow. Numbers are fun, eh? Yes, each of the Cell's SPE's run at 3.2GHZ so they are all as powerful as the XBOX 360's processors. :) People also forget that the Cell in itself is a GPU. Couple it's power with that of the RSX which is rumored to be a more advanced 512MB Nvidia Geforce 7800 GTX with extra goodies and forget about it man. The battle is cut, dry and hanging for all to see. But again, as one person said... the proof is in the pudding. I'm willing to eat my words come CES or perhaps E3. Untill then though. PS3 baby. P.S.3. 54 -
Tommy Tallarico is an idjit...Unregistered - Cray 01.03.2006 03:42 Yes, the guy is an idjit. I am glad you feel that he tells like it is, but after having met the guy at IGN Live: not only is he short, he is brainless. I couldn't care less about his opinion. And I am all about stopping to smell the roses, but stopping my game to ogle the tree just is not my cup of soup. ARGH! I cannot wait for some real, credible information in the hopes these flame wars can stop. I have an Xbox 360. I don't think I have actually turned it off since I got it on 22 Nov. Really. I have friends and friends and more friends who have them and have not had a problem. I think we hear more about the problems these days because people use forums like these more than they did when the PS2 came out. Am I going to buy the PS3? Yes. Heck, I'll even preorder it as soon as we get a real date. My 360 is awesome, and I am sure the PS3 is going to be just as fun... fun, because that is kind of what it is about... right? right? 55 -
BillGatesSucks!Truth 01.03.2006 03:46 Let me just say I skipped over your link to the RSX schematics the first time through... however, -IF- that article is true than the XBOX 360 is officially owned. 56 -
One more thing...Truth 01.03.2006 03:56 "I'll make it simple for you all PS3 does raytracing X360 doesnt, X360 uses a different method which is called Procedural Synthesis, raytracing is a realistic method of rendering images or frames. Procedural Synthesis involves creating new data, geometry, textures, etc at runtime, which isnt a realistic form of rendering graphics. On top of that the X360 is useing compression, as a DVD only holds 9Gig of info, resulting in degraded content on the disc, which I actualy mentioned in another thread on here somewhere." ---------------------------------------------------------- Dev1032 couldn't have said it any better and I really wish he would post more and more fanboys of a "CERTAIN" system would listen. Two words in his whole post summed it up perfectly. Raytracing and compression. Why raytracing and compression? Because raytracing is what computer farms do to render images like say, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Compression is what game developers don't have to do on the Blu-ray format of disks. Those nice high resolution textures on that new GTA game are going to take up alot more than 9GB's kiddies. So don't expect to be playing that streaming 10 city landscape of the next GTA on your shiny XBOX 360 as the puny 9GB disc won't cut it. ESPECIALLY on 720p or 1080p resolutions which push up the disc space usage immensely. ;) 57 -
ps3 all ways better Unregistered - uc 01.03.2006 04:18 plz reply what means (CES)??????? 58 -
To 57Truth 01.03.2006 04:36 It's like E3 except bigger and yet... not? Just go to the site, heh. http://www.cesweb.org/default_flash.asp 59 -
To TruthDev1032 01.03.2006 05:11 I dont post much because I'm quite a busy person, not only that I hate all the flame wars that happen on here. BTW I forgot to mention, PS3 does Precedural Synthesis too, the speed tree middleware that comes with devkits uses Precedural Sythesis to render trees. I also forgot to mention that Blu-Ray still uses compression for video content, just not as heavy as what will be used for Hi-Def video on a DVD disc. Uncompressed video in 1080p @ 24fps would take up 537GB per hour, the Bandwidth Required = 150MB/sec add a bit more for uncompressed sound, which would roughly require a 22x blu-ray drive or a 108x DVD drive. 60 -
Uh huh...Truth 01.03.2006 05:30 Yeah I figured the PS3 would require it in some places as well as 1080p taking up enormous amount of disc space. In your opinion though, which is a better format for the next generation of content. Be it movies, games, music, etc... Blu-ray or HD-DVD? More specifically lets say when then have upwards of 8x dual layered Blu-ray disc's and players. And one more question. Does the XBOX 360 support raytracing in any way? In forethought I would think it does in a limited way as it's really just the way light reflects, absorbs and such. You're the expert though. :) 61 -
To TruthDev1032 01.03.2006 06:11 I would have to say blu-ray, its more future proof, more and more capacity will be needed as time goes by, HD-DVD cant offer the same capacity as blu-ray, in the coming years upto next gen media. No X360 doesnt support raytracing, if it does I've never heard about it, and I dont remember reading about it in the white papers. 62 -
To BillGatesSucksDark Samurai 01.03.2006 06:33 About the article link you posted, i'll be surprised if it's true. Because GPUs have parallel processing inherently. When they increase the number of pipelines each generation, it's like adding a core. For example ATI X800 has 16 pixelpipes or 4 quads (4 times 4 pipes). Plus, when you bring the added complexity of programming into account.....ummm, i don't know. Perhaps it's better to wait for CES. 63 -
To TruthDev1032 01.03.2006 06:36 I realy dont think raytracing is possible, due to the arcitecture of X360, even when you run procedural synthesis algorithms on X360, one of the Xenon CPU cores can lock a portion of the 1 MB shared L2 cache, so I'm not gonna say anything else on this. 64 -
about sony and MSUnregistered - kain 01.03.2006 06:51 well, in my opinion, simply, MS (all that comes from them, including windows, office, software, hardware, etc) stinks, on the other hand, Sony (allmost everything that comes from them, mainly hardware, etc) is top quality... So, I would stick to PS3. I own a bunch of machines like, PC (with all that Ms software), xbox, ps2, psx, and many others, and belive me, all that comes from Japan is GOOD, period. 65 -
Unregistered - toearly 01.03.2006 07:32 Its because the xbox360 was released to early. The hardware is good but devs got final hardaware just 2 months before launch. THats why the games right now dont look that great. 66 -
To 65Dev1032 01.03.2006 08:26 The truth is, most games were ports and all launch games were finished on beta kits, for example, PGR3 wasn't a port, thats why it looks better than other launch titles, but still doesn't represent what final hardware is capable of, because it also was built on beta kits, only the ports look the worst, weather this will effect Microsoft, is yet to be seen, but this is how Sony beat Sega which didn't have the financial backing like Microsoft, Microsoft could bounce back, but I think Sony has invested too much into next gen hardware this time round and it will show. Microsoft launching first to me seems like a bad mistake and thats as far as I go on what I'm going to say about this. 67 -
Unregistered - ME 01.03.2006 09:55 HERE'S MORE TOMMY TALLARICO TALKING ABOUT HOW THE PS3 IS BETTER STRAIGHT FROM AN IGN Q/A SESSION. SORRY 360 FANBOYS. rockman1974 posted:Hi Tommy, I myself have been within this industry in one form or another for some time now. I just recently opened up a videogame media website and I know how it feels to talk to the general public. Sometimes people are just insane. But enough about that... I've been lucky to see a few things on the PS3 but man, when I say a few things, it's more like one thing. I'm nowhere near your position so I'm curious how a few things are coming along. From what you know, the controller will not be released as is (a la the boomerang). I have been told that the Duel Shock 2 is being used as the blueprint for all PS3 games. In fact I've been told that no one knows what the final design will be. I just wanted to know if you think Sony should just keep the PS2 controller and call it a day. I've been using that controller for what, 8 years now. I also wanted to know what is your single most anticipated PS3 title. You can surely tell us one game you are looking farward to above all else, can't you...if it has been announced that is. I also want your take on the real time vs pre-rendered footage we've been hearing so much about. It's starting to get on my nerves that everyone is saying everything on the PS3 is pre-rendered. After everyone says this, we see Kojima-san prove that MGS4 will be looking extremely nice in real time. So what's your take on this. Will PS3 be a Killzone-looking pumping machine or something else? Thanks for answering man. It's awesome to chat it up with you here. Quote: Great questions... What you heard about the PS3 controller is correct. Yes... I personally LOVE the PS controller exactly the way it is now. "PLEASE don't change it Sony!!" Most anticipated titles for PS3?? Damn... can't really say... well I mean I could... but I'd get into trouble. So I'll just go with Killzone & MGS 4 for now. Yes.. there seems to be a lot of over-reacting by people about what is REAL and NOT REAL on the PS3. All I can say for sure is that the REAL TIME games I've been PLAYING look pretty damn decent compared to the released footage that people have argued isn't real. Does is look exactly like the some of the trailers?? No... not exactly... BUT!!! It still blows you away and takes your breath away... makes you stand back in awe and go WOW!! Which is exactly what the 360 did NOT do to me upon launch. Hopefully we'll be seeing more WOW factor in the 2nd gen titles. Hope that helped. Thanks, Tommy] Hi Tommy Tallarico you rock! Hey what do you think about the PS3 gamepad? Do you like it? Also I have heard a lot of people saying they don't feel the X box 360 games really look Next Gen. Do you think they will be saying the same thing about the PS3 games? Quote: Great questions!! I think the PS3 gamepad they showed at E3 this year was the biggest pile of crap EVER!! (and people actually have the nerve to say I'm a Sony loving fanboy?!?!?) Although I can tell you that the PS3 controller will NOT look anything like that stupid excuse for a boomerang they showed. All of the developers have been told to develop for a specific current brand controller which will have a similar button layout. That is all I can really say... BUT.. I can also say that none of the developers I know have got the final PS3 controller and from what I understand.. no final decision has been made exactly. I think that some of the PS3 titles coming out at launch will be on par with the "not so next gen looking" launch titles of the 360. But from what I have seen... the PS3 will have a lot more titles that DO look and feel next gen upon launch... but it's always hard to say what titles will actually come out on launch... especially when no one exactly knows when the machine will launch! So the games I see might not come out on launch... too early to tell... all I know is that what I'm currently seeing on the PS3 impresses me more than what I saw on launch for the 360. T.T. 68 -
interestingUnregistered - read me 01.03.2006 09:57 December 28, 2005 - Just in time for the end of 2005 and the start of 2006, the biggest players in the Japanese game market have shared with Japanese publication Dorimaga their thoughts on the year that was and the years that are to come. Included are some revealing bits about future projects, choices for the best of 2005 and even a self evaluation score! Let's take a look. Satoshi Komuro -- Sony Computer Entertainment Publicity Komuro gives himself 80 out of 100 for the year, claiming that there were a few things left undone that he'll finish up in 2006. He promises to surprise everyone in 2006 with PlayStation-related developments, noting that the Tokyo Game Show showing of PlayStation 3 was just a glimpse at the system. The game that left the greatest impression with Komuro was Shadow of the Colossus. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the Tokyo Game Show; he was personally most happy that many attendees downloaded games at the PlayStation Spot terminals. Ken Toyoda -- Nintendo Publicity Toyoda gives himself 90 out of 100 for the year. He doesn't reveal any new details on Revolution, but does promise that Nintendo will put full effort in pleasing not just non-gamers, but traditional gamers as well. The game that left the greatest impression with Toyoda was Nintendogs. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the demand Nintendo had from older audiences. Yoshihiro Maruyama -- Microsoft Xbox Manager Maruyama gives himself 80 out of 100, claiming that because the Xbox 360 managed to make it to launch, he can't give himself a lower rating. He'd like to raise the score by releasing new games and pushing the hardware. "The battle has just begun," he says. The game that left the greatest impression with Maruyama was Every Party (IGN will interject here with notice that Every Party is a terrible game). The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the launch of the 360. Tetsuya Nomura -- Square Enix Designer Nomura gives himself 100 out of 100. Apparently he gave himself 50 in 2004 because he was unable to release Advent Children. In addition to the 50 for that product, which finally arrived earlier this year, this year's score gets 50 from Kingdom Hearts II, which was released to Japan on December 22. For 2006, Nomura states that his next directorial role is coming into view. The Kingdom Hearts II team, having just finished work on KHII, has yet to start on the next generation of systems. The team that made the PS3 Final Fantasy VII demo, however, has been working on next generation stuff for the past year, and has shared with Nomura the belief that working on next generation machines is tough. Nomura points to PSP's Crisis Core as something that will get his attention in 2006, and also expresses interest in more casual portable games. The game that left the greatest impression Nomura was Tekken 5, as he played it most; he actually plays all Tekken games when they come out. When Kingdom Hearts II was finished, he got sucked into the PS2 version of Resident Evil 4 and cleared it late at night. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the build up to the release of Advent Children. Akitoshi Kawazu -- Square Enix Producer, Powerful Person Kawazu, known for the Saga series, gives himself a 60 out of 100 for this year, citing that the project he's working on right now won't be released for two years, so he can't include it in the score. The game that left the greatest impression with Kawazu was Kingdom Hearts II. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the Square Enix Party. Yoshinori Yamagishi -- Square Enix Producer Yamagishi gives himself a 70 out of 100, citing the successful release of Radiata Stories and the announcement of Valkyrie Profile. He promises to stick with the release dates for the two new Valkyrie games, and adds that Valkyrie Profile 2 will support progressive output in order to show just how good the current generation can look even with all the next generation systems coming out. For the next generation, he's excited about the PS3 based on the specs, although he states that it's difficult to clearly see the future for any of the next generation hardware at this point. He expresses the wish that Microsoft had slowed things down a bit between the announcement of the Xbox 360 and its release. The game that left the greatest impression with Yamagishi was Killer 7, although he also liked Resident Evil 4. GameCube was his most played system for 2005. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the Square Enix Party. Yoshiki Sugiyama -- Koei, Dynasty Warriors Producer Sugiyama gives himself 80 out of 100 because even though he believes that he worked hard, there's always something remaining that he cannot quite accept. When asked about the Revolution, PS3 and Xbox 360, he states that Koei will be fully supporting all platforms, although he adds that he hopes to make Revolution games. The game that left the greatest impression with Sugiyama was Nintendo's Train Your Brain (Nou wo Kitaeru). The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was Nintendo's Touch Generations, a lineup of titles that appeal to a new user group (the lineup includes Train Your Brain, Nintendogs and other successes). Keiji Inafune -- Capcom, Producer Inafune gives himself a 75 for the year, believing that 2005 was actually a difficult year for the game industry as a whole. Capcom will be announcing a number of titles in 2006, he reveals. The game that left the greatest impression with Inafune was God of War, which he believes offers a lot for developers to learn. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the start of next generation gaming. Hideo Kojima -- Konami, Metal Gear Solid Producer Kojima gives himself a low 35 out of 100 for the year because he didn't release anything new. He wanted to leave Metal Gear Solid 4 to his staff so that he could start up a new game, but was unable to do this. Regarding next generation development -- specifically Metal Gear Solid 4 -- he jokes that Konami had already started work on Xbox 360 games back when Metal Gear Solid 3 finished completion, and it's somewhat annoying to have to play catch up. He doesn't seem too keen on the idea of multiplatform development, stating that he believes it important for game designers to concentrate exclusively on a single platform so that they can bring out the platform's special features and better target its audience. He does admit to wanting to make games for all three next generation platforms, though, giving the nod in particular to Revolution as a platform that, as a designer, it would be "foolish" for him to pass up on. With Revolution, he adds, he'd like to make strives in areas other than graphics and sound, a change for him, as he believes he's known as someone who pursues realistic visuals owing to his love of movies. Revolution isn't the platform he most wants to support, though. That honor goes to the PC, although he admits that his staff doesn't take so kindly to this position. The games that left the greatest impression with Kojima were Shadow of the Colossus and God of War, both of which he praises for having well defined themes, game settings and world views. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the reorganization of Konami which left Kojima Productions a subsidiary. Akihiro Hino -- Level 5, CEO Hino rates himself 90 out of 100 for 2005, with the 10 points taken off for the amount of trouble he believes he caused people related to the Rogue Galaxy project due to the tough schedule. He jokes that if he'd been able to follow the original plan for the game precisely, Rogue Galaxy would've gotten a perfect score in all the magazines. Asked about next generation systems, he says that when considering the type of software that he makes, he'd put more weight behind the PlayStation 3, although this doesn't mean that he's uninterested in the other hardware. Regarding a True Fantasy Live Online revival, while stating that he has nothing to say at this point, he notes that fans are still supporting the game and the game industry is still giving it attention. He also adds that his staff has a good amount of interest in working on the project, so "there's still some possibility." However, it's possible that a resulting game wouldn't be TFLO exactly as is, but something that inherits the soul of that lost Xbox title. For 2006, he promises to continue making new stuff, adding that Level 5 will not just announce something new, but may actually release something new as well. Included in the games that Level 5 is planning to work on in 2006 is a non-RPG title, he reveals. The year 2005 game that left the greatest impression with Hino was Shadow of the Colossus. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the reorganization of the industry (mergers, buy-outs, etc.). Yu Suzuki -- Sega AM Plus Manager Suzuki gives himself a 60 for the year. Asked about the PS3, Revolution and Xbox 360, he refers to Xbox 360 as being PC-like, Revolution as being toy-like and PS3 as being like a super home appliance. As a programmer, he states that he's most interested in whatever has the most horse power, even if it means the system is difficult to handle (he breaks off into one of those car analogies people like to use when describing system power -- we'll spare you the details). He closes off by stating that if the PS3, like the PS2, allows developers to gradually harness its power, he's interested in it. With work on Psy-Phi complete, Suzuki says that he's now started researching massively multiplayer Online RPG development (this includes Shenmue Online). He believes the possibilities for the genre will grow considerably in the future, noting that the vigor of the current Korean and Chinese game markets remind him of the Japanese game market years ago. The game that left the greatest impression with Suzuki was Nintendogs (he played it himself), adding that he was impressed overall with the Nintendo DS lineup. The event or happening that left the greatest impression with him was the start of projects from a number of major, independent developers like Hironobu Sakaguchi. Makoto Yoshidumi -- Namco CT Company Producer Yoshidumi, who works on the Tales series, gives himself a 97 out of 100 for the year, adding that 2004 was a 120 out of 100 year for him. The game that left the greatest impression with him in 2005 was Shadow of the Colossus. The big happening or event was Namco's merger with Bandai. Hiroi Ouji -- Red Company President The creator of the Sakura Wars and Tengai Makyo series gives himself 70 out of 100 for the year. When asked about PS3, Xbox 360 and Revolution, he goes on and on about how interested he is in the Nintendo hardware -- specifically, the controller. For 2006, he states that he'd like to create a new manuscript (something that will possibly later become a game or anime -- Ouji is known for much more than just his games). He was most impressed by Shadow of the Colossus this year. Kazunori Yamauchi -- Polyphony Digital President The father of Gran Turismo gives himself an 80 for the year because of the successful overseas release of Gran Turismo 4 and the new challenges he took, including the new Gran Turismo for the PlayStation 3 and Tourist Trophy. When asked what he's undertaking for 2006, he mentions finishing Tourist Trophy and concentrating on development of the new Gran Turismo (he seems to be referring to the PS3 title). For 2005, he was most impressed by Shadow of the Colossus. So there you have it! Lots of vague hints at upcoming plans, and lots of praise for Shadow of the Colossus. Once 2006 hits, we can probably expect solid details on the games now getting the attention of these developers to slowly start leaking out, leading to a full flood come E3. Until then... 69 -
xboxboys in troubleUnregistered - Hell 01.03.2006 10:24 You all Xboxlovers fear the power of PS3. Sure you bash on that machine to feel good about your 360, were some of you waited 10 hours in line for. Don't worry, bash as much as you want... PS3 will wash the 360 away. 70 -
Dev1032 01.03.2006 11:07 I wish CES was today, I want to share stuff I know about next gen, its real bad when you know stuff but are held back by a contract not to say stuff, well its not actualy a contract, but you have to sign stuff to say you wont disclose what you have seen, or what you know. I dont even know if Sony will show anything at CES, they have certainly reserved alot of space for CES, but they are one of the top electronic company's so that is expected anyway, the space isn't just for PS3, they have a wide range of stuff to show off at CES includeing a very large Hi-Def TV I believe. 71 -
boy...Unregistered - Man o man... 01.03.2006 11:09 #24 I'm sorry, but how stupid can you get, the Cell that is now still in development is not only to cut production costs you moron, or did you actually expect it to be only used in the PS3? Please, go vist an expo in Japan for God's sake, at the moment they're working on a cell chip that can be used in a fridge and all kind of electronic appliances, with it's capabilities not to be fully functional untill early 2007, you think they'll wait that long for the PS3? I know you probably think they just stick some microchip in a product and it starts flashing lights and works at 200%, but that's not really how things work in the real world. #26 I'd like to see where you got that info from, all preliminary research for the 3 next-gen consoles had begun shortly after the release of the consoles, but IF you REALLY HAD BEEN following the news, you'd know that Sony got way behind in development factors. Or don't you remember that in april of last year, they were considering stepping over to HD-DVD, and the entire disc format was unsure for about 3 months? Or how NVIDIA held out on completing the GPU untill the 2nd quarter of 2005, yet again FAR behind the X360. Have you already forgotten Sony's promises to have a playable version of the PS3 available at the E3 in May 2005? Or the fact that development was so far behind that gaming developers have not been able to show us anything tangible, even now? For someone who follows the news so well, you seem to have forgotten quite a few things. Or did you actually believe SCE's initial announcement that the third time they delayed tbe PS3's unveiling it had nothing to do with their development process running behind? Oh wait, how about the development tools that had to be sent back, putting them another 2 months behind. Maybe you should use google for example, just to look up whatever you've forgotten (and What I've said here). Why not immediatly check out how ATI started developing the graphics chip for Microsoft in June 2003, an announcement of this following in August 2003. AFTER THIS, Nvidia realising it just lost Microsoft and Nintendo, started looking towards Sony. AFTER ATI SIGNED THE CONTRACT WITH MS. --'ATI (ATYT: Research, Estimates) beat out nVidia earlier this month for the right to provide the graphics chip for Microsoft's (MSFT: Research, Estimates) next game machine. That followed ATI's March announcement that it had struck a technology development deal with Nintendo, presumably to supply the graphics technology for the successor to the GameCube. The king of the console industry hasn't made any commitments yet, though. And while Sony (SNE: Research, Estimates) has preferred to own the technology components in past PlayStations, it might be mulling some changes this time around.'-- In DECEMBER NVIDIA revealed they got the contract to develop for Sony's PS3. Get your facts straight before shooting off at the mouth. And you can confirm everything I've said here using things like google or newsnet. #41 "Your the one who is the "IDIOT" Sony are already thinking about PS4, Kutaragi has already expressed his dream for future consoles. PS2 was in R&D straight after PSX launch same with PS3 after PS2 launch, dont you read the god damn news?" I'm sorry it's you AGAIN, but this is juat a completely unrelated comment of yours. Are you trying to suggest it's a GOOD THING that Ken has announced plans for the PS4, of course not! That's just Ken trying to hold onto his job, and then announcing it within the next decade is just ridiculous. He also just keeps talking about his dreams, and that there are no concrete plans even on the table. What a bs comment of yours. Also, like I've said above, you're also totally wrong about the rest. Only the CPU for the PS3 was in development by IBM, who does it for everyone. And Nintendo was first in that aspect, followed by Microsoft, and THEN Sony. #53 " CPU's today, especially multicored ones are meant to suck as much juice out of the GPU's as possible." Funny guy...We're going to have to wait several years before this is the case, maybe you should check out some reviews of AMD and Pentium's new Multicored CPU's before jumping to conclusions? 72 -
XBOX 360 is nothingAsshole 01.03.2006 11:14 c'mon guys everybody just knows that x360 games sux alot, and the most anticipated game is gears of war that runs on sh!tty 5-10FPS..I mean that PS2 games are now graphically more impressive..one other thing there is no real time enhanced physics actions in the 360 games.. P.S. Waiting for the dream PS 3.5 73 -
Hi PS3TodayUnregistered - EPS 01.03.2006 11:16 And for those supporting raytracing (and understand what it entails), we might have seen realtime raytracing presentations since 1995, but rendering wise I doubt we want to see alot of Doom 3 clone games, because those kind of textures is what raytracing shines in. Through the rays of light you can create realistic images with lots of reflective properties. I don't want to start talking about raytracing though, as it is Procedural Synthesis that has been getting the bad rap here. It has been used in games since 2003, patented by...that's right, Microsoft. I seem to see some downplaying of it's optimal use of system bandwidth and main memory by dynamically generating lower-level geometry data from statically stored higher-level scene data. Especially Dev1032 seems to be putting this down to compression and stating it's a "bad" thing. On the contrary, so far this tech def. seems to be part of the future. At the moment, I've been teaching at the BAT's Game Design and Development in Hilversum, and we've def. been excited with Microsoft's plans to execute this in the X360. It seems to be the road to the future of graphical development in games. For those that are interested, yet seem to think compression is not the way to go, I'd like to refer to MS's detailed patent. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=% 2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50& ;co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20040263519&OS=20040263519& RS=20040263519 hopefully that link will work, and though it might seem like quite a read, you'll be able to pick out certain very handy tidbits of information. I think you need to realise that no matter how powerful the CPU/GPU combo is, or how much data you can store on any kind of disc, be it DVD, Blu-ray or even the holographic discs we've (yet again) been hearing so much about, you'll always come up short without this kind of tech. Why? Imagine, like someone mentioned above, an entire city a la GTA is rendered by hand, (which can get quite pricy, but that's besides the point). By the time you've filled up your city, alot of the objects that populate a 3D scene must be stored as vertex data in system memory and then moved onto the GPU for rendering. If you're looking at an enormous city, the amount of vertex data stored would take a massive amount of system memory, and moving all of that data into the GPU would take a massive amount of bus bandwidth. Both PS3 and the X360 have of course found certain solutions for this, as the console hardware's limited main memory sizes and limited bus bandwidth seem to be the big problem this coming generation. Now this is where it comes to people downplaying MS's Procedural Synthesis tech. You see, it stores high-level descriptions of objects in the main memory, and have the CPU procedurally generate the vertex data of the objects on the fly. his information is passed into the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU, where the vertex data is generated by one or more running threads. These threads then feed that vertex data directly into the GPU by way of a special set of write buffers in the L2 cache. The end result of all this is that the amount of data that is stored in main memory and moved into the CPU is much less than the amount of data that the CPU puts out and that the GPU ends up processing. This is what Microsoft calls a compression ratio, the whole idea behind it being that main memory stores a "compressed" version of the scene, while the GPU renders a "decompressed" version of the scene. This does NOT slow processing down in any way, and is only a positive thing. Procedural synthesis allows game developers to do more with a console's limited system memory. And Developers can do MORE with LESS disk space. Now I could go on and on about Real-time tessellation, skinning and the like, but I'm sure those who are interested already know, or can find a way to read more about it. Notice how I've said nothing about raytracing, as I'm not here to "choose sides" on what technique will be better in the future (Though I believe raytracing is not ideal for game development.), no matter what my experience may be. It just seemed to me that people like Dev1032 and Truth amongst others seemed misinformed on what both entail, they actually shouldn't even be compared, but that's another story. I hope I've cleared up some things. I've been wanting to give some info on what the tech in both the PS3 and X360 practically entail, so you don't have only theoretic information to go on (as we've been working with both the console's dev kits, in mainly Holland and Germany at the moment), as I've found this quite frustrating in the past as well. Just want to let you guys know I know what you're all going through ;-). I'm sure all of you, no matter what console you decide on purchasing will be pleasently surprised in the months to come (watch out for the CES, I've never seen it so game based as this year!). A friend of mine working out of GB (I obviously cannot say in what capacity, or people will start guessing where.) can't shut up about the Revolution either, something hardware wise I'm not too familiar with, so I'm getting pretty excited about that too. Game on everyone! 74 -
About GTA NEXT-GENAsshole 01.03.2006 11:22 I heard that this game is gonna be announced and maybe playable at CES show.. also i got a question if somebody knows anything about this game like graphics or other aspects. 75 -
umm truthUnregistered - BK 01.03.2006 11:28 xbox 360 has 3 dual threaded general purpose cores. so thats 6 ahem not 3. 76 -
Unregistered - Patrick 01.03.2006 11:41 All MS has is Money, and the only reason they have it is due to their monopoly on Operating Systems. If there could be other OS for PC's, Microsoft would probably not make it, Windows is ok, but has alot of problems and could easily be beatin out of the Market. Sony has experience and have proven themselves time and time again, xbox only made it cause MS has money, they lost a ton of money on the first and never Profited from it and would have seriously hurt most companies, it only survived because MS has money as so many of you xbox fangirls keep pointing out. PS3 will look better than the xbox 2 when it comes out, it will look better than the xbox 2 in 2 years and it will look better than the xbox 2 in 6 years, and the xbox 2 will sell far less consoles once again due to the popularity and Power of the SONY PLAYSTATION 3. And hey, dont worry, Xbox 2 will survive because MS has money to waste and an ego to match. 77 -
gta IVUnregistered - BK 01.03.2006 11:54 it is named gta IV (4) because the moved in this order gta 1 gta london ( sequal 1) i think there was another one but still moving on cant remember gta 2 (2) gta III(3) vice city (3 sequal) san andreas (3 sequal) if you noticed both vice city and san andreas start with liberty city from gta 3. so it has been announced that the next one will be called gta IV. everything other than that has been only rumours but if youd like to check it out go here: http://www.gta4.net/ dont click gta ic just read the long black page with white font. and the 3rd last post i just finished reading it has some rich info and im glad to say that it cleared up alot of things for me personally. 78 -
i hate typosUnregistered - BK 01.03.2006 11:55 not ic its suppose to be sign...i dont know how i misspeleld it that bad! 79 -
To # 73Dev1032 01.03.2006 11:57 This is what I hate about this place, haveing to reply to morons like this, now you know why I dont reply here very often, this fool thinks he knows better than someone who has been in the buissiness for over 15 years now. Doom 3 is not raytraced where you get that bull from? LINK PLEASE! PS3 does raytrcing, X360 doesn't, I#d like to see you dispute that. Yes Microsoft patented Procedural Synthesis, does that mean Sony has to pay royalties to use it? NO! hard shee for Microsoft then hey, as far as graphics progression is concerned I can think of a number of different options which would better suit next gen hardware. 80 -
To # 73Dev1032 01.03.2006 12:38 OH! BTW did you know that PS3 can handle Procedural Synthesis without a restriction in cache, unlike X360? due to the 35gig bandwidth between Cell and RSX? go back to where you crawled from, I will talk to you when you learn the basics... well maybe beyond that, you will just have to wait and see. 81 -
hmmm...Unregistered - Akakage 01.03.2006 12:47 Its amazing how people get so worked up over a topic. Did anyone stop to check the source of this "NEWS". The source of this news is an IGN Forum. Not a press release..but a forum. Anybody can post anything on a forum, name drop a name that people know and claim it to be news. I personally will wait until there is ACTUAL GAMEPLAY footage...not a "real-time" render but actual gameplay before I decide to get all excited. The X360 games barely scratch the surface of that the X360 is capapble of and I expect great things from that console. PS3 looks to be truly amazing as well an I expect great things from that console as well. I just refuse to get excited of rumor and hear say. I really couldn't care less about which is "stronger". I'm sure they will be similiar in performance. Looking at the specs..they both have 3.2ghz cpus and 500mhz gpus (550 for sony). They are going to be alot closer to each other than PS2 and Xbox 1 were to one another. I'm more interested in what games are coming, when games are coming and how much of a dent in my wallet are said games gonna make. 82 -
hopefullyUnregistered - Akakage 01.03.2006 14:49 CES will hopefully show us some real PS3 stuff..so then finally rumor can give way to fact. PLEASE DMC4 gameplay footage at CES!! 83 -
#79, #80 Dev1032Unregistered - AvidGamer 01.03.2006 15:24 LOL, that dude you're replying to obviously knows a whole lot more than you dumbass, as you're talking out of your ass. Haha, damn kids coming in here acting like they know something just because they know how to copy and paste. Look at what the guy is talking about, you dumbass, of COURSE Doom 3 can be compared to raytracing, he was only talking about how it's used when creating textures and 3d images. OMG, do you even know what raytracing IS? And where does that guy ever talk about Sony? It's idiotic fanboys like you that piss me off, actually flaming the people that know what they're talking about. But then it get's really obvious how full of crap you are. The xbox360 has absolutely no restrictions in handlying Procedural Synthesis you moron, do you even know what's coming out of your mouth? The benefits of the size 1 MB L2 Cache (X360) versus the individual caches of the cell (which then have to be coordinated) and the fact that Xenos can reach all the way back into the cache to pull geometry directly comes to mind immediately ... In Cell all that is WORK on the part of the CPU, GPU and memory hence the need for all the bandwidth between the SPEs, the main memories and the RSX. PS3 might be able to do procedural synthesis well but it would be less efficient by design than X360. The Xenos actually is regularly able to do at least as much work as the RSX but needs less bandwidth in absolute terms (chip to chip) because more work is done internally in each chip. Based on this the RSX's bandwidth advantage is negated and in many ways diminished. Chip to chip bandwidth may be higher in PS3, but considerations such as efficiency (less work = less transistors) have to be considered simply becasue of differing designs. Maybe you should realise that Cell designers targetted an application not directly related to game production. It's more of a DSP or Media Processor than a general purpose CPU. Ken K says it's not a game machine and it shows. They want Cell to be in TV's, Settop boxes, big SETI@Home projects that use Cell's together over the internet. It's great for certain things and not for others. Intel and AMD also have great engineers, but they are targetting a different set of applications. The XCPU is really designed with game code in mind and it's unfortunately lost in all the techno babble. Notice I'm not saying that Cell is faster/slower when it comes to Procedural synthesis, (just in case you act like I've said things that I didn't like you did to the last guy.) as in my opinion it differs for both consoles. I for example partially agree (so far) with what Dean from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has to say about the matter (Though everytime I realise he works for Sony I just remind myself we won't see the results until both consoles are at least a year in.), Here it is anyway: "Procedural synthesis involved making graphics (texture, geometry etc.) from small programs. Cell has better threading for small programs (each SPU is a thread) and more FLOPs, I can't see any major procedural method where XeCPU would win... XeCPU is better for bigger more complex programs (Lots of branching code with lots of data) but procedural models usually have neither (small code and data). XeCPU wouldn't be bad at it, but Cell is likely to get 2x-3x the performance in most cases of procedural synthesis IMHO." Notice how when it comes to Procedural synthesis that last guy is absolutely right, and all people working on the PS3 agree...? I like how you try to bring raytracing into it, like it has anything to do with it, and then actually have the audacity to know what you're talking about. Typical fanboy trailer trash. Hey, the real dev from #73! If you're still here, don't listen to the trailer trash and stay around so at least some people can have some useful tech discussions -_- 84 -
i dont understand thisUnregistered - BK 01.03.2006 18:34 he said "XeCPU is better for bigger more complex programs (Lots of branching code with lots of data)" i dont get how that is a bad thing...wouldnt this be actually better? i dunno but thats what it seems to me... 85 -
someone is watchingUnregistered - FreakyXMode 01.03.2006 19:00 Well said #83 AvidGamer, I too hate these stupid fanboys. They chase the real intelligent people away from these sites and discussions. AWAY WITH YOU EVILDOING FANBOYS! This goes out to BK, if you want to stop the typos, why not try typing slower? It works for me! 86 -
#84Unregistered - AvidGamer 01.03.2006 19:10 Procedural models generally have small code and data, hence the man's comments. Keep in mind I said I only partially agree with him, as there are things I've mentioned (That I haven't just deduced by myself, it's been stated by other tech geeks and developers) that this guy hadn't considered when writing this. Though he def. knows what he's talking about, having worked on every current gen console and seen the most recent PS3 dev kit (He's working on Heavenly Sword) and the final dev kits for the X360. #85 Thanks, I just felt bad for #73, as there was not a single biased thing in what he said, and it all def. made sense. Then people like that Dev1032 come along and not only misinterpret him (probably because they don't even know what the hell they're talking about), but then put the guy down. 87 -
Unregistered - GEV1l 01.03.2006 19:49 HEy dev1032 you say you been in the business for over 15 yrs? how about some credentials? THe guy said ray tracing is good for graphics like doom 3 not that doom3 was ray traced fool. I am more likely to believe someone who articulates themselve the way that person does over someone foulmouth bastard who insists that everyone who has a differing opinion is a dumbass. His explanations seems to show a better understanding of these techniques than your explanation. 88 -
Unregistered - GEV1L 01.03.2006 19:56 Back to topic, this guy reminds me of reading a newspaper and seeing an ad for a movie and splashed all over the ad are: "Two thumbs up!", " If you had to pick one movie to see this year make it this one" The Best movie of the year", need I go on? And yes I've always found g4 to be a bit biased but that is just me. I will be happy to play my x360 and get my ps3 when something that makes me want to buy it comes out for it. 89 -
real game demos pleaseUnregistered - WhatEverDude 01.03.2006 20:42 until Sony shows some real game demos all this stuff is null. where is the cheese?? bring it out if you have it? when CES is done I would love to see the faces of these Sony fanbots. You will get nothing to boast about. May be some movies of games. 90 -
Ha... no, sorry...Truth 01.03.2006 23:02 No games to date have true raytracing. You would need an immensely powerful processor to pull off the power needed to perfectly replicate the real life light projections on objects in a game. A console processor capable of more than a terraflop of processing power and a GPU capable of being fully utilized unlike another other before it. That is way only computer farms like the one used in rendering CGI movies like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within are capable. And... an interesting fact... who developed FF: TSW? Sony. Who's developing the PS3? Oh wait, Sony. It's entirely plausible to believe games will be able to display graphics such as seen in CGI movies like Toy Story and FF: TSW now that multicore processors and GPU have been made. It's just that the 360 uses other methods. Like many developers have been saying, the PS3 has it's strengths and weaknesses just like the XBOX 360 has it's strength and weaknesses. As for raw somouting power though, the 360 does not even compare to the PS3. Disc storage? No candle to the PS3. Graphics? We'll have to wait and see... 91 -
lol thought so Unregistered - 360Basher 01.04.2006 00:04 i knew it from the beginning ps3 is way better, and dont say theyve only scratched the sruface, graphics will be extremly different because of the media size. more space to and texture and everything. so ha ha ha ha ha 92 -
post #73 and #62BillGatesSucks 01.04.2006 01:19 post #62 - I can't make any claims as to the authenticity of the link. For all I know it could be an elaborate hoax, but I doubt it. As to the RSX's structure being core based, I'm no expert but judging by the bottom diagram, it seems that when there are 4 identical components, each with a rendering unit, processing unit, synch, local frame buffer and an I/O, all connected to a synch unit and merge unit, that sounds like a core structure to me. post #73 - I'm not going to flame you because it's pretty obvious you know more about the subject than I do, I just want some clarification on the subject of Procedural Synthesis. I've read your posting (didn't bother with the link) a couple of times and I think I get the jist of it. Basically Procedural Sythenthis is when info stored in main memory is moved into the CPU, where it is decompressed (on the fly no less), then fed into the GPU. So, okay I get your point of developers getting "more for less" but I just don't see how it doesn't slow things down. Wouldn't there be a back up in main memory because of what's going on in the CPU? Also, wouldn't you still need a hefty amount of bandwidth to move all that now decompressed info from the CPU to the GPU to avoid bottlenecking in the CPU? I'd like to find out a bit more on ray tracing before making any final judgements on comparing the two. 93 -
hmmUnregistered - Ultimate PS3 Dan 01.04.2006 02:39 I know who Tommy Tallarico is! He's that guy that does music composing for video games! It is true he did do music for over 200 games. And INDEED PS3 will look WAY more impressive than the X Box 360 looks.X Box 360 is gonna get OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNED! 94 -
It comes down to this.Truth 01.04.2006 02:52 The Cell processor is going to be the only known mass produced CPU to be able to fully take advantage of a modern GPU's. The PS3's RSX is capable of 1.8 TFLOPS. Throughout the history of PC's, CPU's have never been able to take full advantage of GPU's. Meaning no matter how powerful of a rig you have or what SLI setup you have, you will not be reaching the full capabilities of your GPU any time soon. Now, fast forward to the Cell. The first commercial CPU capable of reaching 2 TFLOPS. The first mass produced CPU capable of completely maxing out the performance of a modern GPU. In comparison, the Xenon processor in the XBOX 360 is capable of just reaching 1 TFLOP. So, no matter how powerful it's GPU is, it will not be able to fully take advantage of it's power. In the end, it comes down to the Cell pretty much having vastly more power than the Xenon. Maybe the 360's GPU is more powerful than the RSX, I don't know, but it doesn't matter if the 360's CPU can't take full advantage of it like the Cell can of the PS3's RSX. As for the GPU in the 360 being more powerful... the only major difference I see thus far is it's unified shader pipelines. How significant that is, only time will tell. 95 -
procedural synthesis X360 vs PS3Dev1032 01.04.2006 05:11 X360: When you run procedural synthesis algorithms on X360's tri core one of the CPU's core's can lock a portion of the 1 meg shared L2 cache, while a part of the shared L2 cach is locked, it no longer contains any prefetch data for the CPU, so the space is used for output space for the procedural synthesis thread. The GPU then reads this thread locked in L2 cache and renders it without latency by it being stored in system RAM. The problem with this is that when L2 cache is locked, there is less data available to keep all 3 cores in the CPU running efficiently 1MB of L2 cash is too small for 3 symetric cores to share considering it doesnt use out-of-order execution to use clock cycles more efficiently. PS3: The 7 SPE's can stream data between each other, each SPE will be doing something different to another, working on a large set of data which creates highly efficient chain, like a "hyper-pipline" which allows a high amount of parallelism. Each SPE can execute a different task in the algorithm and pass the result on to another SPE to do the next piece of work. The cell can generate game objects very quickly by dividing the algorithm into smaller tasks setting up a chain of SPEs to do the work on a large number of objects. For example lets say you want to generate a boulder, 1 SPE may initialize the basic vertex positions to a spherical object, another SPE can displace those points to create randomness, a third SPE can generate normals, tangent and binormals for bumpmapping and another SPE can add volume texture coordinates. The Cell does not lock the cache to buffer the generated objects and like I said earlier the bandwidth between the Cell and GPU is 35GB/s allowing objects to be sent direct to GPU to be rendered as soon as they are generated which is a more efficient way than the way X360 does precedural sythesis. 96 -
C'mon Dev...Truth 01.04.2006 05:51 If you're going to copy and paste from Wikipedia at least give them credit bro... 97 -
TruthDev1032 01.04.2006 06:01 I havent copy pasted from Wikipedia, I have however wrote a few articles for them. 98 -
The real deal!Truth 01.04.2006 06:03 You want a link proving the Cell by itself is superior to the whole XBOX 360? http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/2005/07/26/beyond-polygons/ Basically for those who don't understand ray casting, it's a simplified version of ray tracing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_casting - this article sums it up better than I even could. Basically though, the Cell can do complex 3D graphics with ray casting in 720p resolution. This is huge for many reasons, but when you add in the RSX you have unheard of graphics available to you. It all depends on the developer of course, but it's sounding more and more like the PS3 will be more of a monster than even I had originally thought. 99 -
Hmm...Unregistered - Hmm... 01.04.2006 08:12 Hmm...nice links 98. I like the last phrase in your post too ! 100 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 08:39 I always knew PS3 beats trashbox360 handsdown hehe 101 -
I think some people should just calm down.Unregistered - Clic 01.04.2006 09:52 Dont get affended if we know the ps3 is better sure you can hold your opinion on xbox 360. But ps3 is a fact always remember that. 102 -
Unregistered - LOL 01.04.2006 10:09 #101, Nice attempt to get flames =P Making yourself look like an idiot. Probably won't work though. Wait, I'm reacting to it..arrggh! 103 -
Unregistered - typical 01.04.2006 10:12 #98 Look what it says at the top of your link: "IBM leaders discuss the future of gaming". Enough said, typical biased statement. We'll just wait and see how many developers will spend the money needed to get that many artists and implement things like raytracing. 104 -
360 fanboys r u crazy?Unregistered - uc 01.04.2006 10:19 u know all detail but u say that! 360 is good? now look ps3 specs and 360 specs 360 is out now and u playing that and no title is looking forword to 360 .. and ps3 is not come out yet but ps3 is more power ful and more likely ps3 have nice title to playing on ps3 360 have no any good title where is halo3? i say killzone for ps3 this time is going rock ...... so .... 105 -
#97Unregistered - URALIAR 01.04.2006 10:19 Man, you are so full of $hit, it's unbelievable. 106 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 11:40 LOL them Xbots are so amusing, their new console is such a trash that they have nothing better to do but to come here hehe 107 -
Anything new?Unregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.04.2006 14:40 Any new news on ps3? looks like a ps3 no show at CES. 108 -
SO FAR..looks like a no showUnregistered - Akakage 01.04.2006 15:42 Hasn't been any video or mention or screens of anything remotely PS3..unless you count that LAME blu-ray movie announcement. No news ain't good news as the PS3 projected launch window is rapidly approaching. They said spring 06..well Spring 06 starts in March and ends in May (well technically June 21). Something is terribly wrong here. After E3 although X360 wasn't suppose to hit until November we were bombarded with info, screen and video for numerous X360 titles every week until launch. Here we are 8 months later...PS3 was suppose to be playable at TGS...but rather than have a GRAND UNVEILING OF PLAYABLE PS3 at TGS(on sony's home soil) they opt for more movies?? Doesn't make alot of sense to me. TGS is the biggest gaming trade show in JAPAN. There is no stage BIGGER than that..(well except for E3) 109 -
Relate of PS3Unregistered - Mathew 01.04.2006 16:22 This is fact of relate of PS3.. http://www.us.playstation.com/PressReleases.aspx?id=279 This is all I have to say <marquee>KR3Ws 110 -
Havoc 01.04.2006 17:16 There may be something on the ps3 at CES. http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/04/ces_2006_preview_1/ posted 4 Jan 2006 04:59 "But there will indeed be a great deal of gadget news, including anticipated announcements from Sony on its forthcoming PlayStation 3 console" This was posted after the tgdaily said there will be no ps3 announcements. 111 -
it's all about the gamesUnregistered - andy 01.04.2006 18:56 I always knew that the games on the ps3 would be superior and it took a 15 yr industry vetran to put all you xbox fanboys in your place. I'll just wait for sony's unvailing at CES, see the most brilliant games running in real time and have a good laugh. SUCKED IN J.Allard and Bill Gates you can keep your overheating gamecrashing and stick it you know where. GO SONY PS3 112 -
it's all about the gamesUnregistered - andy 01.04.2006 18:57 I always knew that the games on the ps3 would be superior and it took a 15 yr industry vetran to put all you xbox fanboys in your place. I'll just wait for sony's unvailing at CES, see the most brilliant games running in real time and have a good laugh. SUCKED IN J.Allard and Bill Gates you can keep your overheating gamecrashing xbox and stick it you know where. GO SONY PS3 113 -
Give Sony a Break!Unregistered - Dragonopolis 01.04.2006 19:08 I think Sony's done an excellent job balancing keeping PS3 fans excited enough but not too hyped up. Sony has every right to be conservative because this is a radically new hardware approach. Why slam Sony fans with hype like MS did to us xbox fans and then have a horrible or very rough launch. Dreamcast didn't have near the problems that MS had and still got stomped. (Well, Sega did put their tail between their legs earlier than they should have. After all, the Dreamcast wasn't that bad). So I hope Sony stomps MS too. Yes, I am a very ticked at MS right now but I probably will eventually get one when the price drops (After all I am a Xbox fanatic never owned a PS2 just a PS). Sony at least is letting their fan base set the pace and then do their thing when the time is right. Hopefully, they learned alot from MS mistakes. I have a gut feeling that Sony could have launched this Christmas if they wanted to. Blu-ray specs were already set and sony probably had a enough PS3's to release for Japan and a limited US launch. Now they can pump up the volume of PS3 units and do some quality control checks. Sony just didn't want to happen to them that is happening right now with MS. Think about it, isn't it funny that all the PS3 quality style games for Xbox360 are coming out roughly around the time the PS3 ships. Hmmmm, Smart move Sony! Keep their competition sweating and hope they buckle under the pressure. MS sure did. All that rushing around only to get bad publicity and angry fans when the PS3 is only about a .5x (not 5x there is a dot before it) more powerful system. 7 points for Sony 3 points for MS ( they get some points for meeting the deadline). I have no doubt that the PS3 is more powerful, but power isn't everything and Nintendo is the company which proved that concept. However, Nintendo has never disappointed their fan base like I see MS doing to their base and MS doesn't have the first party title advantage that Nintendo has (as well as creativity). Bottom-line is this may be the first time in awhile that I actually will be considering another Playstation. 114 -
PS3 cannot pull those real-time stuff for real. So they are hiding.Unregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.04.2006 20:11 Where the heck is this so called PS3? all you fanboys rave about it but all you have is a spec on a sheet and supposed launch date. Unless they are scared or something is terribly wrong. I bet they cannot pull that real-time movies on the actual PS3. Go hide fanboys, you beloved Sony is a no show. All Xbox fan augments will be proven after the no show. PS3 cannot pull those real-time stuff for real. So they are hiding. 115 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 20:36 Some Xbot will eat his words soon ;-) Do your homework fangirl and read what the developers and some veterans with access are saying: The actual PS3 realtime stuff looks same or even better than the CGI's that were shown before. Checkmate Xbot, now go play with your trashbox, or does it really suck so much that you have nothing better to do but to post on a PS3 fansite? And sorry PS3 ain't 0.5 more powerful as trashbox, it's at least twice as powerful. 116 -
Quite your trap holeUnregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.04.2006 21:12 Sony press conference has come and gone. No new news except they mentioned that they cannot compete with the 360 and going to move straight to PS4. They are also going to redesign the controller so it could easily be inserted into fanboy anuses. Guess all you fanboys need therapy after this latest disappointment. This proves it once and for all that they cannot pull the real-time stuff on their new ps. 117 -
Wrong and rightUnregistered - Daniel 01.04.2006 22:09 Well he is right and wrong. He is wrong about PS3 games looking more impressive but he is right about Xbox 360 being capable alot more impressive games. 118 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 22:16 Buahaha I laugh my ass off :-D They just show no new stuff cause they ain't ready and I expect the release at the end of 2006. Np for me, hell they can even release 07, I have a PC that blows your trashbox easily away and can play most of your games and even more and better ones buhahaha Checkmate again Xbot and now go do your homework or put your hands on your trashbox...but hey if you don't I can fully understand you, trashbox sucks bigtime hehe. I have a strong feeling sbdy will be crying his pillow wet when Sony will finally show some realtime stuff hehe 119 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 22:23 And Xbot I forgot to say that PS3 will not only blow trashbox360 away but also Billyboys next try. By the time PS4 will launch Billyboy will be probably out of business ;-D...And we got another Xbot that joined the party, daaaamn it appears there are tons of unsatisfied Xbots visiting this site hehe 120 -
Fight Night Round 3 Demo Hands-On. Only on 360Unregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.04.2006 22:39 http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/fightnightround3/news.html?sid=6141856 "One of the first things you'll notice upon entering the ring, right after you've been wowed by the fighter models and picked your jaw back up off the floor, is that the Xbox 360 version of Fight Night Round 3 features no onscreen HUD whatsoever. There are no health bars for the boxers, and there's no clock counting down the number of seconds remaining in the current round. In fact, the only time you'll see anything on the screen that you wouldn't if you were sat ringside at a real match are the numbers 1 through 10 that appear in the middle of the screen after a knockdown. All of the other information that you'll need comes courtesy of the game's incredible visuals, or from the talkative commentator who seems to do a great job of injecting fighter trivia into the proceedings when the action in the ring doesn't really warrant comment." Haaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! PS3 no news and we get a playable demo for FREE. whats that again!!! playable DEMO for FREEEEEEEEE!!! who has the trashbox now??? 121 -
one more thingUnregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.04.2006 22:43 "In short, we're now more excited than ever to get our hands on a finished version of Fight Night Round 3 next month. If you've got an Xbox 360, an Xbox Live account, and enough room on your hard drive, you'd be crazy not to check this out" haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa!!! ohhh the sweetness of victory!!!! 122 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 22:55 FN3? Damn you must be truly desperate, this game ain't a system seller. FN3 will also come out for the PS3, well maybe it will be FN4, but it surely will put the 360 version to the trash. 123 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.04.2006 22:58 Sweetness of victory, damn that one was good. You already lost, months before PS3 launches buahahaha 124 -
we'll seeUnregistered - tengen 01.04.2006 23:05 i'm looking forward to both systems. i am more excited about the ps3 because i haven't used it first hand and i've used 360 and i'm not impressed. i'm still going to get one when stores will actually get shipments and are finished with the pre orders. it seems from specs that the ps3 will be better in graphics, and what's the next gen of gaming about? enhanced gameplay right? ofcourse the games as well but ps3's got that covered. the only xbox exclusive game i'm looking forward to is halo 3 obviously. all the other games i am looking forward to are coming out for both systems (that i am aware of)so i think i'll go with the more powerful system. if they come out only for 360, i'll have one there too. i could be wrong about all this sony stuff so i'm waiting for it to come out and we'll see how it is. also, i'm thinking by the time ps3 comes out the graphics may be the same as the then 360 graphics because they will be able to program the games better and use more of the 360s power, the ps3 will be just beginning. i just can't wait to own both consols and have first hand opinion and settle this argument on which is better for myself... 125 -
Ok, Time to rub it inUnregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.04.2006 23:10 Microsoft announces external HD-DVD drive for Xbox 360 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6018529.html Checkmate!!! Ohh another question. Do you have any FREE playable DEMOs for this so called PS3? Do you have any playable games for this SO CALLED PS3? Do you have a on line service to download these free stuff? 126 -
Fight Night Rd. 3Unregistered - Akakage 01.04.2006 23:50 You know I'm not an EA fan..but I must admit that FN3 looks AMAZING..a lil slow..BUT AMAZING!!!. I believe in giving credit where credit is due..and EA deserves some props on what they have accomplished with this playable FN3 demo. It does everything the tech demo does and it is very very close to that tech demo in graphical quality. Truly a masterpiece!!! I can't wait to see games from BETTER developers!! 127 -
Sony's ces website is finally up.Havoc 01.05.2006 01:18 http://www.sony.com/ces/index.shtml 128 -
#125 rub what in...?BillGatesSucks 01.05.2006 01:47 Rub in the fact that you're going to have to pay an extra $200 for something the PS3 will do right out of the box? Rub in the fact that the 360 external drive will be for movies only? Rub in the fact that Gates and company have screwed you moronic xbots yet again? 129 -
to # 105Dev1032 01.05.2006 02:32 Believe what you want, but if I remember correctly, I have wrote articles on the following subjects, maybe not all of them for Wikipedia though: Scanline rendering Parallax mapping subdivision surface Phong shadeing Fake bump mapping Constructive solid geometry Maybe a few more, but I'm not going to waste my time on someone who doesnt believe. 130 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.05.2006 09:10 Rub in the fact that the demo ain't for free, or do you get xboxlive for free? Rub in the fact that people without xboxlive won't get the demo. Finally rub in the fact that if you can't use your broadband PC internet but have to pay some extra fee you should get free demos regurarly. Checkmate ;-D 131 -
trees in project gotham 3Unregistered - migs 01.05.2006 09:17 I disagree about the trees in pgr3, I have the game and the trees have individual branches and they are all different. The 360 really is an awesome machine and will only grow stronger. I will not ever support sony again after the dirty tactics they used years ago to pulverize the sega saturn by buying off games manufactures for early releses and so on ... I'm glad that microsoft are giving them a taste of their own medicine. 132 -
Unregistered - Wenzen 01.05.2006 09:31 Dirty tactics you must be on drugs or something because Sega made multiple consoles that didn't sell well, the 32x and the 3D0 are prime exaples, plus they didn't have that much money rolling in. I'm not a fanboy but the only thing that drove Sega in the mud was sega plus I didn't like the saturn. 133 -
Unregistered - Wenzen 01.05.2006 09:32 And I haven't seen anything in MS camp yet to make me excited. 134 -
More rubbing inUnregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.05.2006 09:42 HDMI/DVI Equivalent Connection For Xbox 360 Announced (wireless!) K, one more thing the supposed PS3 doesn’t have. By the way any news on the supposed gaming console? Hey, if you don’t have broadband and still can afford a 360 then there is something wrong. Broadband comes before a gaming consoles. 49 bucks for a year’s membership is worth it when you get stuff like this for FREE. There is lot of other stuff that comes with it. If you haven’t experienced it, don’t talk about what you don’t know. 135 -
Unregistered - Riley 01.05.2006 10:06 Uh huh buddy sure, I think I'll be gone for awhile I have a subscription to Game Informer, too many fanboys acting stupid. 136 -
Unregistered - Yotta 01.05.2006 10:11 You xbox fanboys sound so desperate, it's not worth it to come on this site anymore. 137 -
yoUnregistered - Akakage 01.05.2006 13:41 Sega didn't make 3DO..that was panasonic...lolz Besides I like Dreamcast, Genesis and Saturn and proudly I still own all 3. Comparing Msoft to Sega is a bit of a stretch. Their pockets are infinitely deeper then Sega's. Not to mention that Msoft has a much smarter executive team. They are putting forth some good effort in order to reach the tougher markets(japan) and they have put out a great console...with good games and EVEN Better games on the way. Sega had FANTASTIC first party games...they never had the 3rd party support which Msoft does have and their support is growing. So comparing sega to msoft...not a good comparison on any level with the exception of both companies had peter moore. 138 -
HahaaaaUnregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.05.2006 13:45 Hahaaa, we have converts already!!!!!^ I guess PS3 fanboys don’t like to hear true details of the 360. Victory is truly great…. Sony Hides while fanboys Cry…. 139 -
#134BillGatesSucks 01.05.2006 15:08 "HDMI/DVI Equivalent Connection For Xbox 360 Announced (wireless!)" Hey! Something else you have to pay extra for! Gates just keeps giving it to you up the a$ and you pathetic xbots just love it. 140 -
Unregistered - bob 01.05.2006 16:48 How can a Sony fanboy talk trash to someone else about being a fan. Honestly, I think all the Sony fans are going to have their feeling hurt when the power of the two systems are closer than everyone thinks. The people that work on both systems say that they will be close and that is better than some hype, trash movie that is constantly being mention in this debate. Sony fans, I'm sorry but the truth is that all your arguments are from movies, hype, and Ignorance. I say this because their is no info on the PS3. No one here is a cell expert, but you guys will believe each other rather than the developers that are working on both systems. If the PS3 is so advanced and can put their money where their mouth is, then why are they a no show at CES? Why have they been a now show in everything to include E3...sorry movies don't count. I haven't seen any real gameplay that shows me what the game will look like when I have it at home, controlling it in my hands especially since the controller isn't out yet, hell Nintendo lets you know what the controller will look like. I was wanting a PS3, but the truth is that Sony is garbage and I don't feel like listening to lies and make belief crap. I just feel that if those movies that everyone here is talking about where real back in E3, then why no playable demos yet or real gameplay? It has been about 9 months since then.... 141 -
Unregistered - Wenzen 01.05.2006 17:02 I'm not a Sony, MS, Nintendo, or Sega fan, the saturn and dreamcast had some good games, I just wanted to get a reaction out of someone by posting false info on this site seems to me you guys spend more time arguing than playing games. I was wondering if Sega will bring back some of the good games that made the genesis shine, Vector Man was one of my favorites, Also Ms in my opinion hasn'r really peeked my interest in their console, neither has sony. I'm only loyal to the game developers, it's really pathetic that all you guys do is spend more time arguing than playing games. 142 -
#140Unregistered - Wenzen 01.05.2006 17:07 To the #140 above me if you want to cry a river of crap why are you still here , I don't bother with the rumours on the internet it's a waste of time, the fact remains that Ms and Sony haven't made a lick of an effort to make me choose which console I want to buy. 143 -
WHATEVERUnregistered - UNHAPPY SONY FAN 01.05.2006 19:04 AS A SONY FAN I FEEL I HAVE BEEN LET DOWN IN MANY WAYS NO ONLINE GAME PLAY WE BARLEY GET TO SEE WHAT THE PS3 CAN DO MOST WHAT WE SEE ON THE NET IS RUN ON A PC PEOPLE. IM IN AUSTRALIA AND BY THE TIME I GET MY HANDS ON A PS3 I WOULD HAVE HAD 3 KIDS AND READY TO RETIRE NOW THE 360 IS HERE IN A MONTH OR TWO TO BE HONEST ILL GET ONE FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING AN NEXT GEN IN MY HOUSE. SONY KEEPS SAYING SPRING SPRING SPRING BUT HAVE FAILED TO MAKE MOST SONY FANS MOUTH WATER IE NOT SHOWING MUCH TO BE EXACT NOTHING. IN A WAY MICROSOFT HAS COME OUT EARLEY BECAUSE THEY WANT MARKET SHARE THATS NO SECRET AND I DONT BLAME THEM IN A MARKET LIKE GAMING. I HARDLEY PLAY MY PS2 MOST GAMES IM INTO I HAVE FINISHED AND IM SICK OF THE GRAPHICS SO IM SELLING MY PS2 AND SOME GAMES TO FINANCE THE XBOX 360 I THINK SONY FANS IN A WAY HAVE LOST FAITH AND ARE MOVING ON TO XBOX I THINK I MIGHT JOIN THEM THEY ONLY WAY A COMPANY WILL LEARN IS WITH THE CUSTOMERS TO ACT WITH THERE WALLETS THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME UNHAPPY SONY FAN 144 -
Unregistered - UNHAPPY XBOXFANBOY 01.05.2006 19:58 I WAS FIRST SO HAPPY TO GET THE SUPPOSED NEXT GEN CONSOLE BUT I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE 360. WHY IN EARTH ARE THEY DOING SO MANY FPS GAMES? WHAT'S THE NEXT GREAT GAME EVERYBODY IS SO HAPPY ABOUT? GEARS OF WAR? $HIT THAT'S JUST ANOTHER FPS GAME. GODDAMN I HAVE ALREADY ENOUGH OF IT ON MY PC!!! WHERE IS THE CREATIVITY OF MS? I'M REALLY TIRED OF THIS $HIT THIS CONSOLE SUCKS, THE GAMES SUCK, HELL THIS AIN'T NO NEXT GEN, EVEN MY PC IS BETTER WITH BETTER GAMES. THE GRAPHICS SUCK, THE WHOLE SYSTEM SUCKS. WHY IN HELL DOESN'T MS DO HD-DVD AND HDMI/DVI FROM THE START? NOW I KNOW WHY!!! THEY WERE SAYING BEFORE, OH WE ARE SELLING THE GREAT NEXT GEN CONSOLE FOR SUCH A LOW PRICE!!! BULLSHIT!!! WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY AGAIN FOR HD-DVD OR HDMI/DVI? I ALREADY PAID FOR THE PREMIUM VERSION AND THOUGHT I ALREADY HAVE THE WHOLE PACKAGE. FCKING LIARS, THIS WAS THEIR STRATEGY FROM THE START, THEY ARE PLAYING WITH OUR WALLETS!!!! BUT NOT WITH ME!!!! I HAVE ENOUGH OF IT, I WAS AN IDIOT ENOUGH TO FELL ON THEIR LIES AND BOUGHT THE CONSOLE CAUSE OF THE CHEAP PRICE BUT I'M NOT THAT OF AN IDIOT TO LET DO SUCH THINGS WITH ME. I'M DEFINITELY CHANGING THE SIDES, I'M SELLING THIS PIECE OF $HIT AND I'M SURE I WILL FIND SOME IDIOTS THAT WILL BUY IT, DAMN I WILL EVEN MAKE SOME MONEY NOW THAT THE CONSOLE ISN'T AVAILABLE. I WILL WAIT FO THE PS3 AND WILL HAVE FUN IN THE MEANTIME WITH MY PC. ONE MORE THING TO THE SONYFABOYS. WHY DO YOU THINK HERE ARE SO MANY LOYAL XBOXFANBOYS? I WAS AN XBOXFANBOY AND CAME OVERHERE CAUSE I'M VERY DISSAPOINTED WITH 360 AND WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE PS3. BUT I'M NO MANIAC, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE WORLD THROUGH BILLYS GLASSES. SO ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THEY ARE COMING HERE CAUSE THEY ARE DISSAPOINTED WITH THEIR CONSOLE BUT THEY WON'T BUY THE PS3. THIS GUYS ARE MANIACS TO THE FULLEST AND THEY ARE JUST HOPING SONY WILL SCREW IT JUST LIKE THEIR BELOVED MS DID. THATS THE UNSPOKEN THRUTH THAT ANY OTHER XBOXFANBOY WON'T ADMITT AND I'M ONLY TELLING THIS CAUSE I HAVE ENOUGH AND I'M CHANGING THE SIDES. I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY OF MY SORT THAT WILL FOLLOW, I JUST HOPE NOW SONY WON'T SCREW IT. 145 -
Why Sony? Why?Unregistered - omegaheat 01.06.2006 00:47 So it's official. Sony has earned the title 'World's Biggest Letdown'. I think many people now question the company's integrity. The PS3 was shown at last years May E3 with quality trailers and promised to have playable games at the Tokyo Game Show. They didn't deliver, and they gave their fans a lame excuse about why there were no playable games at the show. In stead they released a new impressive MGS4 trailer to hold over the hungry fans. I thought the trailer looked great, but didn't overlook the fact that it was only a real-time movie and no real-time gameplay. There's a huge gap there. For months the company bashed Microsoft's machine with pugalistic words. Microsoft retaliated, but Sony started it and continued to do so. Well several months passed and Sony constantly implied that consumers should wait for the PS3 instead of buying the Xbox360. I have never experienced so much politics in a console war. Anyway the Xbox360 had an impressive holiday launch, and besides the small percentage of technical problems with some systems; many people were happy. The demand is still very high for the console; even to the point of no layaway plans for some of us. There were rumors and high expectations that the PS3 would indeed be in playable form at CES. But there was also a rumor that an industry insider under NDA was not pleased with the games that he saw for the PS3. He also expressed that from the look of things, the PS3 would not be launched this spring because the games were not up to par. His words may have been truer than most believed, because CES is gone and the PS3 was indeed a no-show. Sony blew it. They probably don't even realize the damage they've done to their fanbase. I like the Xbox360, but I also realize that competition is good. The more these companies compete means the more cutting-edge games we can expect. But why in such a crucial time, would Sony do something like this to their fanbase. And of all times to do so; why would you bash Microsoft with gloating about how you outsold the Xbox360 with an obselete machine and a handheld device. That was not cool, and they didn't even give their fans a reason why the PS3 was a no-show. Damn Sony, don't insult your consumer's understanding of marketing strategy. This is not one of them. Just be honest and admit that the PS3 is full of bugs as rumoured. 146 -
to 142Unregistered - mike 01.06.2006 00:53 No one was crying, but instead I was trying to put some perspective to the whole next gen hype. Still, I'm sure that if I said that Sony is the greatest thing since the toilet bowl, you wouldn't have anything to say at all. I made that post for people like you. Hope you enjoyed it. 147 -
Whatever...Truth 01.06.2006 02:59 I couldn't give two flips why Sony didn't show the PS3 at CES. As long as it releases this year, I'm buying it. As will millions upon millions of other people. Whine, moan and complain all you want. Sony is Sony and they do everything for a reason. They've invested far too much money into the PS3 to let it flop or to let consumers ( especially the hardcore fanbase ) down. My friend has a XBOX 360 and I will have a PS3 when it comes out. The universe will be well again and hopefully... we can all get along. Basically. Unless you work for Sony or have some mole inside their company then what's the use trying to speculate and point fingers? Why can't they be saving all the demos and such untill E3... the largest video game expo in the world? Then release shortly after on the high we all get from playing and finally seeing the games? That would be a pretty smart move wouldn't it? However, like I said, no one knows. Patience is a virtue... 148 -
Unregistered - SONY GUY 01.06.2006 05:49 LOOK GUYS I HAVE COME TO SOME WHAT OF A INNER PEACE WITH MYSELF. AND YOUR GUYS ARE TOTALLY RIGHT SONY DOES WHAT IT WANTS WE CAN SIT ON OUR COMPUTERS AND TALK CRAP ALL WE LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY PS3 WILL COME OUT WHEN SONY SAYS SO AND YOU WHAT WE ARE ALL GOING TO TAKE IT UP THE REAR END AND STILL WAIT IN LINE FOR HOWEVER IT TAKES AND PAY WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET IT IN TO OUR HOMES THATS TO BOTTOM LINE AND SONY DONY KNOW ABOUT U GUYS BUT I HAVE BIGGER THINGS IN LIFE TO WORRY ABOUT IF I DONT PLAY A GAME FOR A WHILE SO BE IT MORE TIME GOING OUT WITH FRIENDS AND MY GIRL WHAT YOU GUYS NEED IS A GIRLFRIEND MORE FUN 149 -
back on trackUnregistered - BK 01.06.2006 13:25 ok back to the subject i dont know who this tommy or w.e his name was is...but here someone i do know from DOOM 3 :) and look oh he prefers xbox 360 for developing games on hmm...just check tihs link. http://www.planetxbox360.com/?view=article&article=753&cat=1 150 -
Unregistered - Grits & Gravey 01.06.2006 14:33 BK too stupid to realize that MS has rotted your brain and Sony seems to be doing the same with the sony fans too. 151 -
Poor misguided Fanboys Unregistered - DonkeyDoo 01.06.2006 18:00 You Sony fanboys really think this supposed PS3 is going to come out this year in US? I guess that’s what a real misguided fanboy is. No show upon no Show, no news, no games, no demos, no price info, no pre orders and these fanboys think it’s going to be here this year. Sony doesn’t care about the US market. That’s why they are concentrating on Japan. And you people are still willing to lick their asses. 152 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.06.2006 19:23 Sony cares about the US and European market most. The reason why they always realese in Japan first is cause they don't need killer applications overthere, the japs will buy it even if Sony would launch with one game. for Us and Europe they need a good launch with killer applications, otherwise they won#t sell that much. So it's only cause Sony wanna give the developers enough time to finish their job. Simple as that. 153 -
#149BillGatesSucks 01.06.2006 19:50 I read the article and I noticed something else he said, that although he prefers writing for the 360 "the PS3 would have more peak power." So, once he becomes accustomed to the programming for the PS3, he'll be able to create better games for it. While I was at the site I happened upon this article about the implications of an external HD DVD for the 360. Basically they say it's a stupid idea. Gee, really? http://www.planetxbox360.com/?view=article&article=750&cat=1 154 -
i knew ud be stupid enoughUnregistered - BK 01.06.2006 22:39 he did say it has a bit more peak power but he said that its easier to exploit xbox 360s power. developers want easy to use software and hardware. he says that in a developers point of view he prefers the xbox 360 i dunno how there is more to say one of the greatest devs says that he prefers xbox 360 straight up and you guyz begin to pick out the smallest thing. the thing is they are not aloud to say anything bad about the ps3 or theyll lose sony but he did say hat he prefers xbox 360. twist his words all you want but this guy said it straight up. 155 -
just to show ur stupidnessUnregistered - BK 01.06.2006 22:43 "All that said, Microsoft's no fool for releasing this add-on. If nothing else, it's a good way to test user-acceptance of the format without committing the company to it. Should Blu-Ray emerge the winner in this latest round of media format wars, Microsoft can always choose to go in that direction with its next incarnation of Xbox, keeping the option of backward-compatibility open." i dont understand how u see that a bad thing...but i guess u are blined by the sony hype. btw go to www.teamxbox.com and see the peoples votes 74% out of a thousand say that they want the HD DVD. your pathetic even when you try to be smart. 156 -
oh really #155BillGatesSucks 01.07.2006 04:44 Let's take some other quotes from the article and see if they're a bad thing or a good thing shall we? "At present, Microsoft says the HD-DVD will only be for movies. There are no current plans to offer games on HD-DVDs." Good thing or a bad thing? "As developers begin to truly take advantage of the system's features in the coming months and years, you're going to see games that cannot fit onto a single DVD. In fact, that's already happening. The developer of "Enchant Arms," an upcoming role-playing game in Japan, told Gamespot.com last year it was hoping to be able to fit the game on two discs, but admitted 'that's even looking grim.'" 2+ disks per game. Good thing or a bad thing? "Game developers are in something of a bind, though. Even if Microsoft opens up the HD-DVD player for game software and even if sales of the peripheral soar, game makers will still have to publish two versions of the game, which could confuse and frustrate consumers." Good thing or a bad thing? (Notice all those ifs?) "Microsoft pointedly avoided discussing a price Wednesday, but the new drives aren't likely to be cheap. Toshiba recently announced plans to sell a stand-alone HD-DVD player for $499. Even if Microsoft's version sells for considerably less, you're still likely to see a price tag equal to or greater than the price of the core Xbox 360 unit." Effectively doubling the price of your 360 to get it to do what the PS3 will do right out of the box. Good thing or a bad thing? Oh, and as for the chance of M$ adopting a Blu Ray drive if it becomes the dominant format, that's highly unlikely. After all, Blu Ray is a Sony product. 157 -
Smash my xboxBillGatesSucks 01.07.2006 04:53 Many of you have probably seen this video already but I wanted to post it anyway. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/w/Smash-My-Xbox---Extended?v=Z9zSzzVPSwY&search=xbox%20360 158 -
Wrong again...generic sony fan.Alexander 01.07.2006 07:06 130 - Unregistered - DaGamer 01.05.2006 09:10 " Rub in the fact that the demo ain't for free, or do you get xboxlive for free? Rub in the fact that people without xboxlive won't get the demo. Finally rub in the fact that if you can't use your broadband PC internet but have to pay some extra fee you should get free demos regurarly. Checkmate ;-D " We dont have to pay for downloads, and Xbox Live Silver is free aslong as you can connect the 360 to a router (or pc) using the free ethernet cable that Microsof supplies - and its of generous lengh lol. Aslong as you can get internet to your 360, you will be able to sign up for Silver, and get everything that the paided players get except you can only play on certain 'gaming weekends'. How in anyway can that be seen as not fair? Then if you do wanna play, you pay $4 a month to use it whenever you want. sony has c*cked up there online plan again, and no matter what you guys say, Microsofts approach is the best. P.S. to add to the coolness of being able to 'ring' people in any game for a private chat (free), their also adding MSN messenger and the ability to send text messages to phones (free). 159 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.07.2006 08:21 You said it, people with silver can only play on certain 'gaming weekends'. Now thats some great solution ;) Sorry but I don't wanna pay a penny for another internet service, I already pay for my pc internet and get there tons of free demos regularly. If you pay for Xboxlive, you should get the same. And how can you say that Sony srewed their online again? Sorry but I find what Sony does best, cause I don't need to pay some extra fee and can use my pc broadband. Sony unlike MS ain't milking their gamers, they could very well do something like Xboxlive, but they just don't want to and I'm very happy about. 160 -
?...Alexander 01.07.2006 08:34 So are you saying your glad Silver is free and you can play sometimes? And do you think you need something special for Live you just need 'pc broadband' as you described it, you dont need a plug in adapter (cough PS2). 161 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.07.2006 09:49 Probably not, I wanna play for free without limits just like on my pc or ps2. I don't know what you mean with plug in adapter but all I need to play with my ps2(slim) is a cable. 162 -
....humph....Alexander 01.07.2006 10:10 Yes, exactly your PS2 (slimline) not your PS2 most people havent bothered to buy the slimline, and I was just making a little joke ofthe whole situation. Enjoying 'some naval seals game'? 163 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.07.2006 12:34 Yeah it's not bad, but for online I like fps shooters most. BF2 for pc is awesome. 164 -
. Unregistered - . 01.07.2006 15:26 im sick and tired of all you xbox fanboys coming up in here and writing crap aout sony...if ur 360 is so great GET THE HELL OFF OF THIS SITE AND GO F#@kin PLAY IT. and also for all you saying that sony is screwing their fanbase over by not showing playable demos at CES screw you as well...ur all acting like ps3 is never gonna come out...its COMING OUT THIS YEAR probably not in spring and guess what...me and millions of others around the world are going to buy one...so shove it up ur a$ MS 165 -
patheticUnregistered - BK 01.07.2006 15:32 " Blu Ray is a Sony product." are you stupid? u retard....Blu ray was developed by some companies and some university students and panasonnic is manufacturing them you ****ing retard...thats pathetic and typical sony fanbois right their. Sony has done nothing to make Blu ray their product..thats like saying DVD is a sony product...oh just shoot urself or something. plus what CNN has said is pure speculations. and im not sure if ur aware of this but so far for sony blu ray games= ZERO. no game has come or is coming out on blu ray you idiot. wow. and im sure we cleared the thing that compression is in fact better than decompressed info. and we do know that the new VMD coming out by the end of this year will be better than both blu ray and HD because it has the capacity of blu ray at a much MUCH cheaper price. you guyz think just because it has more storage its better...sony took the ps2 overclocked all the peices. changed the cpu and is releasing it. while microsoft changed its cpu gpu LIVE controller. it sickens me to see how stupid you are and how smart you think you are because there is something said by CNN money. and if you really believe in CNN go check their erports on revolution and ps3. Plus it doesnt matter what CNN or you think. 75% of the world that owns a 360 wants to watch HD DVD movies and microsoft is much smarter to sell it at an outragous price. This choice is so smart. people dont have to pay for the drive right away with the console like ths ps3. if they want and if they have some cash they can go and buy it later unlike the ps3 that forces you to buy a blu ray drive which you may NEVER use for gaming. 166 -
#165BillGatesSucks 01.07.2006 22:39 BK, you poor, pathetic, little creature. How very little you know about anything. I sincerely hope you're feigning this ignorance, you truly cannot be as stupid as you appear to be. 1. Sony, along with a group of others, called the Blu Ray disc association, are developing the Blu Ray. Why do you think they're using it in the PS3? To make someone else a lot of money? No, it's to push their own product. 2. Sony DID in fact have a hand in developing DVD. The DVD is a result of the merging of two competitive technologies created by Sony and Philips in one camp and Toshiba, Time-Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC in the other. Just look it up on Wikipedia. 3. "a blu ray drive which you may NEVER use for gaming." Right, and with that bit of reasoning Sony should have never used a DVD drive in the PS2 because they "may" have NEVER used DVD for games, right? Sure, there may not be any games coming out on Blu Ray presently, but there will be. 4. "compression is in fact better than decompressed info" Of course it is, if you prefer lagging, frame rate stutter and the like. 5. "sony took the ps2 overclocked all the peices. changed the cpu and is releasing it" Please tell me you're not stupid enough to believe that? 6. "75% of the world that owns a 360 wants to watch HD DVD movies and ... people dont have to pay for the drive right away with the console like the ps3." Sure, you can just pay twice the amount for a 360 that plays HD DVD with an external drive than you would for a PS3 with built in Blu Ray. That's real smart. My bet is the HD DVD peripheral is going to flop because anyone who owns a 360 will instead buy a stand alone player. I am no longer going to argue with you BK. You obviously are too stubborn or too stupid to learn anything. Stay stuck in your ignorant little world, you are invisible to me. 167 -
Love it...Truth 01.07.2006 22:53 All the Xbots in the "smash my xbox" video were playing PSP's. They couldn't have said it any better... "Ohhh the irony..." Love it. 168 -
One more thing.Truth 01.07.2006 23:02 Blue-ray is not going to fail as Sony already has every major motion picture studio in the bag. The end. 169 -
THE ENDUnregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 03:57 You know what the end is? It is the end of the PS3. Cause the PS3 looks to me like a cheaper version of a blu ray player that plays movies of games. I am sick of this fanboyism on both sides(MS and Sony). But I'm mostly sick of the Sonyboys because they got no concrete evidence of their console, its all on paper. And paper is not good enough for me. I want to feel the chrome finish the new out of box smell the comfortable white wireless controller in my greasy hands. YES! I'm talking about the X360. 170 -
re-edit of #169BillGatesSucks 01.08.2006 04:39 YOU KNOW blah THE blah blah? Blah blah blah blah blah blah PS3. Blah THE PS3 LOOKS TO ME LIKE A blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah(blah blah SONY). Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah CONSOLE, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah GOOD ENOUGH blah blah. Blah blah TO blah blah blah FINISH THE NEW blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah! Blah blah blah blah X360. 171 -
ThanxUnregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 05:14 Thank you BillGatesSucks, you just proved my point that you Sonyboys are the most gullible and stupidist bunch. 172 -
sony is messing upUnregistered - shangfu24 01.08.2006 07:24 plane and simple the 360 is out and doing well if the ps3 had some out of this world secret or if the games were that much better wouldn't it be in there best interest to share it with the world since the competition has made the first move after having played the fight night round three demo which i downloaded for free with my free subscription to xbox live xbox360 is nowhere near xbox1.5 simple as that. 173 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 09:46 LOL Bill that was funny :-D Them xbots are so dumb and have nothing better to do but to come here, lol. Shang the 360 isn't doin as good as expected. Sony has nothing to worry about and they didn't release new info cause they still push the ps2. They are still sellin tons of it and they would be dumb to do something that could drop the sales. If sony would worry cause of MS the first thing they would do is lower the ps2 price and release as many ps3 info as they can. As you can see they ain't doin it and this calmness of sony is one of the reasons why you xbots get so mad hehe 174 -
An intelligent responseUnregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 10:27 Xboxers come to this site to check up on the competition(Sony). Which I believe is good, know your enemy. What you Sonyboys fail to realise is that there is a chance of them converting to PS3(if there is positive news of the PS3) but you boys are sure as hell not helping Sony's cause; in impressing the xbox sceptics. You just proving time and time again your lack of intelligence. Grow up! Wait, maybe you should stop smoking crack! 175 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 10:51 LOL "know your enemy", you surely need some help and don't forget that you the xbots are the ones that come here to flame. You say you are sick of fanboyism but in the same time you are a sonyhating xbot. You must be a very intelligent little man. 176 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 10:54 And I wouldn't call it a chance that some xbots will change the sides, come launchtime and most will change and only the fanatic xbots like you will cry their pillow wet. 177 -
DaGamer is DaDumba$Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 11:23 Show me DaDumba$ where in any of my posts did I say or hint that I am an xbot fanboy. I am a gamer, I don't chose sides other than noticing that the Sonyboys are ranting and throwing fits of rage that are worse than the xbotboys. Like I said: Stop smoking crack! 178 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 12:24 Chilout fangirl, I don't know if you dumb or something but even you should notice who is ranting and going mad here. I don't know what you smokin, but it probably does no good for you. You think you ain't an xbot? You think you don't choose sides? Do I really have to quote you? Ok little but very "intelligent" man, here we go: "It is the end of the PS3. I want to feel the chrome finish the new out of box smell the comfortable white wireless controller in my greasy hands. YES! I'm talking about the X360. know your enemy." Sorry fangirl, but this are clear signs of a fanatic xbot and if you don't see it you should stop smokin your $hit immediately. And btw the word "xbot" is our way to call the xbox fanboys. Ok little, wise man, stop crying and start playing with your beloved trashbox. 179 -
Touchy, touchy!Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 12:59 DaDumba$, just look in the mirror, you probably as dumb as you look! When I said 'the end of PS3' I implied there is nothing physical or concrete about it, every about it is speculative or even imaginary. PS3 is not a religion we cannot run on faith here! We need physical evidence such as in game footage and the likes. My comment on the 360 implies its here, it can be played. Oh wait! Why am I explaining myself to a crackhead? 180 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 13:20 You made my day you little freak. Is it so difficult to read your own post? Probably, so I have to quote you again: "It is the end of the PS3. Cause the PS3 looks to me like a cheaper version of a blu ray player that plays movies of games." You so dumb and you even don't know it. Get a brain or stop smokin. But hey don't feel offended, your "I want to feel the chrome finish the new out of box smell the comfortable white wireless controller in my greasy hands. YES! I'm talking about the X360." was a classic, you probably made my day hehe 181 -
Damned Right!Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 13:47 You damn right I made your day. You probably think I'm one of your dealers. No need to explain myself, I could be a nintendo freak for all I care and still you would call me an xbot. Your hate for MS runs deep its sad you need rehabilitation my boy. Let me repeat I am a gamer displaying disappointment in Sony! No harm in that. 182 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 14:38 Sheet you still riding I'm no xbot, you must be the dumbest person that I ever saw here. And sorry xbot, I'm not a MS hater, Billy just sucks with his trashbox. $hitty console with games that I get on my pc. There is no reason to spend even a penny for this trashbox. If I would hate MS, I would go to some xbotsites and start flaming. Oh wait, thats something you do here. As a closing comment I have to say you must have some serious issues with drugs. Go take a hit or cry your pillow wet, after it you will feel better. Just let all your feelings out hehe 183 -
to idiot;Unregistered - BK 01.08.2006 14:50 "`compression is in fact better than decompressed info` Of course it is, if you prefer lagging, frame rate stutter and the like." lagging and frame rate stutter have nothing to do with compression. they are because of the bottleneck effect when the GPU cannot render alongside the CPU at the needed speed. they took that out in the 360 by using the unified system. so if any system is going to stutter or lag is gonna be ur ps3. 184 -
Peace Out!Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 15:15 "Billy's....trashbox" That sounds like MS hating to me. You can believe what you like on whether I'm MS fanboy or not, as long as I don't do drugs. Remember the FBI logo on arcade games? "WINNERS DON'T DO DRUGS" Sounds to me you a loser Sony fanboy. Life is more than drugs and MS hating, stop and look once in a while. If you need help, I will gladly assist you towards recovery. 185 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 15:35 Buahahaha you little freak, take another hit and go on I truly enjoy your comments :-D 186 -
Say It!Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 16:01 Dammit! Say something, DaDumba$! Because I'm getting HIGH on responding to your BS! 187 -
A comment.Alexander 01.08.2006 16:25 Just a passing comment, whilst I was looking for game videos. Does it not upset you as a PS3 when you look for videos and the only ones you can find are the videos for multiplatform games, that are currently running on a 360? Oh and some lovely 'realtime' prerendered videos, we musnt forget those. Even games that are advertised as amazing graphics, end with the 'jacket potato' 360 logo spinning in your faces, does it not hurt? I personally wouldnt take the crap if I had the PS3 logo showing up after every video I watched, it would make me begin to wonder why I had chose to purchase that platform. Then again, you guys seem pretty strong willed. Sorry for seeming such the fanboy, itsnot so much Sony I dont like as I want to get a PSP - there clearing the best handheld...hands down - but I could take the crap as a gamer you guys are getting. 188 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 16:46 I always knew you have some issues. Whuz up, is it now another hit? hehe 189 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 16:56 360 related stuff doesn't upset me and you will probably get upset when the games will really look like the "prerendered videos". Just read what the developers are saying, the games look like that or even better. I choose sony cause it's the better console with better games and I'm in no hurry. BTW I'm not a sonyfan, if trashbox would be with blue-ray, had same game support as sony and some creative developers, well then I probably would buy it. 190 -
Wow!Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 17:35 Wow, you blow me! You on your knees right now! You NOT a Sony fan? Thats new! Up who's butt are you trying to blow smoke! Sony's doing that to you all along and you take it. Once again you have no evidence that Sony has the better console, its all on paper and hearsay. As I said before, its not good enough. We as consumer-gamers should demand Sony to give us more than talk, its our money. Talk is cheap! 191 -
FreakyXModeBillGatesSucks 01.08.2006 17:47 Until the PS3 is actually released, all we have is what is "on paper." If we don't speculate about the specs we hear or read, we'd just all makes posts that read something like "Gee, I hope the PS3 will be good." 192 -
hmmUnregistered - mark 01.08.2006 17:51 how can anyone say that MS has been working on the 360 longer than sony has been working on the PS3.....sony started working on the PS3 before the PS2 came out...and the 360 wasnt even started right after the xbox came out....so come on....yes they have both been working on their systems for a long time but there is no way that sony spent more time on software and not hardware.... 193 -
UnderstandableUnregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 18:27 BillGatesSucks, I can understand the fact that you can only go according to whats on paper(due Sony's inadequate or lack of information) but that does not give Sonyfans the right to knockdown guys that don't support or are disappointed with Sony, when the Sonyfans are lacking info on their PS3. We all have one thing in common, we all are gamers, respect that. We all want the same thing, top of the line games and value for money( irrespective of console) 194 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.08.2006 19:00 Sheet...freak probably smoked all of his stuff hehe. Billyboy plays with your wallets and you don't even notice that. But hell what can I expect, that are xbots. He sells them a half breed without hd-dvd and they are still happy. What about that MS will stop supporting xbox soon and in about 3 years they bring another trashbox and stop supporting 360. Good luck xbots and have fun with your xflop as long you can ;-D 195 -
what a bore!Unregistered - FreakyXMode 01.08.2006 19:44 Come on, DaDumba$, you gotta do better than that! I'll let you in on a secret, I don't own a X360. Probably won't be able to anyway because Microsoft has never officially released xbox in this crappy country I'm living in, PS2 is only console here. You guys are spoilt for choice and yet you speak a lot of crap. I'll be off its 2:35 am where I am, I need my beauty sleep to wake up to a new week! Wondering what crappy country, South (freaking) Africa. BTW I do have a xbox(shipped from the UK). 196 -
Stupid XbotsUnregistered - wm 01.08.2006 20:17 Hey idiots, you can hardly use the words "Sony" and "Fanboy" together in a phrase, since a company that has held the crown for 10 years on the console wars by a huge margin of sales numbers over any other competitor, can hardly have made something wrong to call the ones that "still like them" a fanboy. On the other hand, the worst fanboy of all is the Xbot, since you have to be too stupid to follow a company that barely outsells the underdog with a billionaire loss; not only that, but having to pay extra to pay for a game you already bought? And after taking too much Scheisse, too many similar games (or first person shooters, if they are still called games), what does it need to take an ordinary console as if it was a "novelty"? You need to be a fanboy. 197 -
Xbox360 will strike Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here is news for all of you PS3 fansUnregistered - Flammer 01.09.2006 00:15 From the website Ign.com on the Xbox360 side!!!! January 6, 2006 - If Sony Corp.'s Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer had any worries or fears that Microsoft's early jump might dampen its chances in the next generation, he hid them well at this year's CES in Las Vegas, Nevada. Stringer made bold statements and showed Sony's classic hubris at CES, the kind of outward composure and confidence required in that high level of responsibility and exposure to the press. Sony's exec explained that timing isn't critical for Sony's next generation system, and cited Microsoft's weak \l "" 360 sales in Japan, which totaled half their Xbox sales four years earlier and were underwhelming compared to Sony's PSP. "If there was a sense of anxiety, I would be aware of it," Stringer, 63, said in a keynote speech at CES, according to Bloomberg News. "I just think PlayStation still has this astonishing foundation." Sony has undoubtedly won the lion's portion of marketshare for this generation and definitely has made a bold impact on hardcore and casual gamers. Sony has used the company's well-established branding to its benefit and expanding shipments to 100 million units shipped worldwide since its Japanese March 2000 debut, just 2 million shy of PS one, both of which are remarkable numbers. But Stringer is wrong if he thinks that having a year advantage won't make a difference to Microsoft. Sony had a year head start over Nintendo and Microsoft in 2000 (they both launched in 2001), and while Sony's PS2 launch was a little rough (just like Xbox 360), Sony's second holiday season displayed a dazzling lineup of rip-roaring \l "" ranging from Final Fantasy X to Grand Theft Auto III to Devil May Cry to ICO and more. That first year of development made a huge difference to Sony, as development teams had a year head start, and the PS2 came into it own with marketing, hype and great games. What's more, Microsoft launched in three territories in the span of three weeks. In the short run, that decision seemed foolish, thanks to underwhelming supply. But in the long run, Microsoft's move is calculated and shrewd. Establishing the next generation in many territories early is what it must do to cut into Sony's leading marketshare. And the early start will definitely make a difference. If all goes well, we should expect Microsoft to have a similarly stunning second Christmas in 2006 with games that have been in development for two years showing next-generation graphics and gameplay. This, as opposed to the first 18 games at launch, many of which were ports or simply rushed. People will assuredly lay down money for Gears of War, Halo 3, Too Human, and Mass Effect, in addition to dozens of unannounced games with potential to kick Sony's ass. What's more, the house that Bill Gates founded is clearly ahead of all console manufacturers with a solid online foundation in Xbox Live. Thus far, Sony doesn't even have an online plan (not one that's been revealed anyway), and if its does bring an online service, expect it to copy many of Microsoft's pioneering efforts with Xbox Live. Even though Sony's foundation is strong, as Stringer says, Microsoft's year jump on Sony and Nintendo will make a difference, enabling Microsoft to cut heavily into Sony's current generation market leadership in all territories. 198 -
...Truth 01.09.2006 03:02 " People will assuredly lay down money for Gears of War, Halo 3, Too Human, and Mass Effect, in addition to dozens of unannounced games with potential to kick Sony's ass." So much for IGN being impartial and objective... Kicks Sony's ass? Please. Sounds like IGN XBOX360 needs to take their heads out of their aformentioned collective asses. 199 -
By the way...Truth 01.09.2006 03:11 Unless Microsoft pulls a couple ten million+ gamers onto their side before the PS3 launch then I fail to see how they can make a correlation between the original XBOX and PS2 sales. The one year was definately a boost for the PS2's sales, but you can't honestly say with a straight face that if the XBOX was released first that it would have sold 100 million consoles by now. Oh IGN and your biased reporters... how fun it is to make fun of you. :) 200 -
King Kong 360 too DarkUnregistered - nonamer 01.09.2006 04:57 Ubisoft boss Yves Guillemot has conceded that Xbox 360 owners who've purchased Peter Jackson's King Kong may face problems unless they're playing the game on a high definition telly. "We have a problem on the 360. The screen is dark on some TVs and it totally changes the experience," Guillemot told BBC News. "When it's dark, you don't see where you have to go... I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't see it when we were developing the game." According to Guillemot, the game was developed using HD TVs - and it didn't occur to anyone that it might not work so well on standard tellies. But they're seeing if they can fix the code, however. "It is the beginning of the high-definition TV era for us," Guillemot went on. "It's a shame, but it happens with new machines. I don't think we will have it anymore." Guillemot was quick to point out that the problem isn't present in other versions of the game: "When you play on an Xbox or a PlayStation 2, you start to see that it is beautiful," he said. Here at Eurogamer, we thoroughly enjoyed the game - and found that simply turning up the brightness control did away with any visual issues. So there you go. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62156 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet another problem for Xbots, haveing to adjust the brightness on regular TV all the time when switching between King Kong and another game. 201 -
What's the point?Truth 01.09.2006 05:39 You've already shelled $300-$400+ on an XBOX 360 so why not buy a cheap $1000 HDTV? I've seen plenty of nice 25-30" HDTV's for roughly $1000-$1500... you don't have to have the latest 72" plasma for christ sakes. And as long as it supports 720p you're set. Well, you're set for the 360 anyway as it can't play games on 1080p. :) 202 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.09.2006 09:35 Are you serious truth? If I have to pay $1400 it's better I buy me a brand new pc that blows this trashbox away, LOL 203 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.09.2006 09:45 LOL this freak showed once and again how dumb he really is. This guy is sayin this is the end for PS3 and is swingin on Billy's balls, but he didn't even have played the 360. Sheet, this sort of fanboys is the best, I laugh my ass off :-D I on the other side know what I'm talkin about, cause I already played this trashbox. 204 -
To TruthUnregistered - nonamer 01.09.2006 11:21 I think its best to wait to buy a Hi-Def TV, wont take long for prices to come down. I'm actualy looking forward to the new 3D TV anounced at CES, which I think was said to launch in 2008, so I may not bother with Hi-Def, 3D is da future. I imagine the TV picture will look like a holographic image, makeing you think you can put your hand in the screen to grab objects. 205 -
THE REAL TRUTHUnregistered - THE TRUTH 01.09.2006 11:36 Check out this podcast from the IGN. Listen on the very beginning. X360 and PS3 are going to have similiar graphics. The demos for PS3 are NOT gameplay footage. PS3fanboys need to stop listening to the hype and face reality. If you don't believe me, listen to the podcast. This is the real truth. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/679/679134p1.html 206 -
To # 205Unregistered - cant say 01.09.2006 12:03 I don't trust IGN anymore, they gave a game a higher score than anyone else and gave its sequel a lower score to compensate for the higher score they gave for its predecessor, thing is everywhere else gave the sequel a higher score due to it being a better game. So your link is meaningless to me, go show your Xbot buddies, this fanboy link. I prefer to listen to people in the development business, beyond3D forum members actually have an interview with a developer associated with the Killzone team, why don't you go read that? then you will see the "truth" Here is the link: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27218 207 -
Hah... IGN...Truth 01.09.2006 13:25 I stopped supporting IGN when they made their subscritption service after promising out their asses they would stay free. I've read too many biased articles, and as someone pointed out about, read too many biased scores to respect them anymore. Perfect example of how IGN blows stiff rod? They still think the PS3 will be hard to program for when multiple developers have gone on record to say it isn't. The only difference between the PS3 and a normal computer is the Cell's SPE's. Instead of programming for one main CPU, you can break down commands and section them out to the SPE's effecvtively cutting down the workload of the main Cell processor and giving it far more functionality then one could ever hope to achieve form a Pentium or even the XBOX 360's three cores. So... when IGN says "multiple developers have said the graphics are the same" I see it as a way to save their asses and not have to blatantly say one is better than the other. 208 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.09.2006 14:35 Checkmate xbot 209 -
Yah....Unregistered - adf 01.09.2006 16:33 Tommy T..............are you guys kidding me. Im as much of sony fanboy as anyone, but this guys a deusche. We need to get Bill Gates going on record as saying this...............now there some news to post. 210 -
Shut UpUnregistered - Joe 01.09.2006 16:53 Tommy is a dummy. He should shut up. Down with Sony. 211 -
THE REAL TRUTH AGAINUnregistered - THE REAL TRUTH 01.09.2006 22:50 Here's a comment from the developer. No console at CES 2006 means PROBLEMS!!! You better pray the games are better looking than the Xbox360. We'll see how the PS3 performs... That's if they show up at E3. You guys can't handle the truth. Here is another link from the developer. http://www.downinfront.tv/Game_Reviews/Playstation_3/PS3_Console_Review/ 212 -
Unregistered - wotter 01.10.2006 11:28 @211, there is a sony playstation conference in feb (exact date unknown), sony hasn't said a thing, spring is launch idiot 213 -
THE REAL TRUTH AGAIN and AGAINUnregistered - THE REAL TRUTH 01.10.2006 11:28 Here is a new post from The Inquirer. Sorry PS3fanboys. Your system is too buggy and the games are far from completed. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28879 214 -
Unregistered - already scared? 01.10.2006 11:31 damnit all those xboxfanboys where do they come from? Oh yeah, ms can't provide enough consoles, another lie from ms. I think they are getting scared, launch is coming closer and they don't know what to expect. Oh, and I listen to real developers, like guerilla and not some stupid "we heard from a .... blabla". 215 -
Unregistered - wotter 01.10.2006 11:32 Noob, theinquirer is not reliable, they post RUMOURS djeezes get your facts straight. 216 -
THE REAL TRUTH AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAINUnregistered - THE REAL TRUTH 01.10.2006 12:01 Sorry... This is gonna hurt, but here are the FACTS. Where is the PS3 now? Not at CES 2006... Where is it to be seen? Show me all these demos, but you don't show me the hardware and gameplay. They stopped showing MGS4 demo at CES because it was scripted. That is a FACT. That's the real TRUTH. Show me that they have the actual hardware and software instead of these SPECS. SPECS can give you squat. If you like squat that is. THAT IS THE REAL TRUTH, SO QUIT CRYING. If they don't come out with a working demo by E3... and I mean a demo that a player can use... guess what... It ain't coming in the Spring. Why don't you read the links I sent, before you get all nutso. I have no issue with the PS3, but you need to start figuring out that you can't rely on specs and pictures and an empty shell of a PS3. WHERE IS THE PRODUCT? 217 -
THE REAL TRUTH Unregistered - THE REAL TRUTH 01.10.2006 12:12 @215 - THE INQUIRER does print out reliable information... You're the idiot and RUMOURS is spelled RUMORS. GO BACK TO SCHOOL, AND LEARN HOW TO READ! Or if you're bold enough... read the article: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28879 218 -
Unregistered - DaGamer 01.10.2006 20:40 You are some one hell of a funny xbot Truth, chillout man and go better play with your xflop until the truth arrives and shuts you up once and for all. Also don't forget to have enough tissues nearby. 219 -
Unregistered - mark 02.11.2006 16:25 Calling a system an Xflop or Xbot or Grillstation or whatever else you fags call them is the most annoying thing ever. You guys should probably consider growing up. Add Comment |
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