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13 Dec 2005 12:20 | Webmaster | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article 
Sony’s Phil Harrison claims that the Xbox 360 "doesn't have true HD functionality," and that consumers seeking a HD experience will have to wait for the PS3 to arrive.
In an interview that will be published tomorrow over at GamesIndustry.biz, Harrison described the Xbox 360 as "a lot better than their [Microsoft's] first introduction to the console business," but questioned the console's claim to being a High Definition device. "The true definition of HD is the three elements of the HD value chain - the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content," he explained, "and PlayStation and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."
"As you well know," he continued, "the Xbox 360 doesn't play high definition movies and doesn't have true HD functionality - PlayStation 3 is the only format that has 1080-progressive, which is the true definition of HD, so it's really premature to be talking about the HD era."
"High definition as far as the consumer is concerned means high definition movies, which means Blu-Ray disc, and that is the reason that people will buy high definition displays coupled with a player that is capable of playing movies and games - which is obviously PlayStation 3," he claimed.
"The HD era really only starts when we are on the market," he concluded. Add Comment  1 -
sorryAndy 12.13.2005 12:29 Sorry Xbox fans to bad 2 -
Unregistered - travis 12.13.2005 12:33 ouch! 3 -
And PS3 lands a nice right gab to the 360Scythe 12.13.2005 12:36 PS3 stands on the 360 then spits on it's green X and then laughs at it's attempt to take ove Japan and claim it's HD. 4 -
Unregistered - ASSMONKEYbb 12.13.2005 12:59 they cant hear you, the xbox fans cant, they are too busy playing on the 360, which is out. You know, unlike the PS3, which isnt. And 1080i is just a tad bit less graphically than 1080p. The question is, why would you spend 3000-5000 $ on a high def tele if youre only gonna use it for games. Im gonna play it on my 32" analog Sharp television. Im still gonna enjoy the game and i only paid $300 for the dam tv. 5 -
PAUL CERULA 12.13.2005 13:09 Ohh come on this is pathetic. His statement says xbox 360 isn't next gen HD cause the 360 doesn't have a HD drive. How many HD movies are out right now and how many will be out in the next 5 years. That's right barely any. It's gonna take about 5 years and by that time the ps3 will be down to 200$ so you can just pick one up if your really into HD movies. 6 -
360 isnt HD readyUnregistered - Diamond 12.13.2005 13:37 Understanding that the 360 has component connections it is all factual to say that the 360 isnt really HD ready because it doesnt have a HDMI port. it may be said by many people that HD movies isnt out now but that was the same case with the PS2 and DVD. the bottomline is that the PS3 offers true HD (not specfically speaking of just 1080p) but it can play HD movies as well as display HD gaming at a higher frame rate. though many people do not have a HD television, I for one do. so when the PS3 comes out i would be able to enjoy (like many others) true HD gaming and once HD movies come out then i dont have to worry about buying another piece of hardware because i already have it in my PS3. certain gamers my ignore and/or downplay these facts but it isnt hard to tell that the PS3 has done everything to further highten your HD experience from all angles (HD gaming, HD movies, potentially higher framerates "up to 120FPS", dual HDMI for true HD connectivity, 1080p, panoramic viewing). the list can go on and on. 7 -
Scythe 12.13.2005 13:47 unlike the x-box 1 the ps2 still has sweet games to be played. Shadow of the Col. is one I havn't had time playing. Also all good things come to those who wait. 8 -
i said....Unregistered - rtfakktor 12.13.2005 13:55 damn! screw all the xbox fangirls and there ebay theivery, it is truly the xbox 1.5 9 -
GTA: LCS used to exploit firmware v2.5Unregistered - hardwood2001 12.13.2005 13:57 wow just think about sony's online plans, which is about equal to nothing really, but think what the psp might do to the ps3... viruses, cracks and hacks right out the gate. GTA: LCS used to exploit firmware v2.5 http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000570072348/ 10 -
Watch out MS,We are the Playstation Nation!Dark Samurai 12.13.2005 14:15 Xbox360 is no match for PS3 in hardware department,that's a fact and i'm really proud of Sony because of that. But MS still has the upper hand in online strategy (XBLive) and developement ease (XNA studio). Sony must improve the PS3 in these areas and hopefully still there is enough time. MS can't improve their hardware now but Sony can improve their software and online and i'm sure they'll do it. 11 -
360 HD abilityBillGatesSucks 12.13.2005 15:01 What Harrison forgot to mention was that the 360 doesn't support 1080p simply because it doesn't have the power to do so. Actually I'll be surprised to see any developers for the 360 pushing their products to support 1080i. But the main fact is MS decided against an HD optical drive for the 360 and that is what holds it back from being a true HD unit. So, what, you're going to hook a 360 up to an HDTV to see your games in HD (IF the games are supported for it) when the drive won't play HD movies? Hmmmmm. Movies on HD disks won't be long in coming, in fact many studios will be publishing movies in both HD and standard res. on one disk (for those without an HD player) within a year. This is not my opinion, this is fact. And HDTVs are not that pricey anymore - I saw a new 30" Toshiba HDTV going for $699. But I have to admit I can understand MS not opting for the HD drive - the format they were originally going to support HD DVD is most likely going to tank before it even comes out due to lack of support and the only other option is the blu ray which is of course developed by Sony. And I doubt MS wants anything made by Sony in its machine (although Sony did create DVD). 12 -
PAUL CERULA 12.13.2005 15:03 Kurama, Sony's already officially announced they're not going to have a unified online....which means you'll have to individually port your own games and the service and performance will basically be complete crap compared to xbox live. Sinc the ps3 is illegidly launching in 4 months they don't anywhere near enough time to get a unified online up. 13 -
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUnregistered - Oblivion 12.13.2005 15:05 Who gives a crap about DVDs.If anyone buys the ps3 for its HD DVDs they are a fools.im sure that everyone here has at least oneJust use dvd player.Not once have i ever used my ps2 or xbox for dvds.Oh,and the 360 is HD.The ps3 will look better but its bull to say that. 14 -
commenting to mr.ZZZZZZZZZZZUnregistered - thirst 12.13.2005 15:30 dont be mad man. you can by your 360 if you want. if you want a system that is the same price as the PS3 ($400) and not get as many features than go ahead, this is your choice. just because YOU never used your PS2 for a DVD drive doesnt mean that I havent. also, YOU'll have the option of playing these HD movies without having to buy another 300-400 dollar piece of equipment again. this is what you fanboys do all the time. instead of trying to state facts you just try to diss and make a mockary of out of it. face it; bill gates gave up on the 360 when he didnt install the HD-dvd not just for movie playback (if it happened to fail with the movie industry) but for a next gen format to issue their game disc on. and for the record the 360 IS NOT true HD...just understand that. P.S. if the 360 would have had the HD-DVD and blu-ray would have failed you fanboys would have been all over that fact. but that isnt the case. what is REALLY the case is that the xbox company is not, and i repeat IS NOT a profitable company. microsoft has not made one dollar in profit my friend. xbox since its existence has been at a loss. the only difference between xbox and dreamcast is that bill gates is the richest man in the world and he owns xbox....period. 15 -
Unregistered - J ALLARDD 12.13.2005 15:48 Harrison is right, we were fools to drop those options from XO, now we understand. But with xbox2160 we are sure to beat Sony Playstation 9 if we are lucky enough and we are still a company. We have already started to make a top secret processor named lleC. It has 8 UPS prosessors and one EPP-unit. We have also started to develop a top secret garphics unit XSR. 16 -
Hmm...Unregistered - Hmm... 12.13.2005 15:49 Spartan, youre flogging a dead horse. Besides, I highly enjoy PS2 online at the moment, so I dont really care about the so called Xbox live. 17 -
Unregistered - Huxley 12.13.2005 16:00 I'm going to decline from saying something so obvious. 18 -
Spartan of 777Dark Samurai 12.13.2005 16:16 May be they change their mind and go for a unified system in future.As i remember XBL was introduced a year or two after the launch of the Xbox. I'm a Sony fan not a fanboy.XBL is a very nice feature, i agree. But i don't think it's that decisive.Sony's online can be improved and be good without being unified. The games matter the most.Killzone,MGS4,MotorStorm,DMC4,GTA4,GT5,Tekken6....plus the huge popularity and power of the Playstation brand,These are Sony's main weapons.Is the Xbox360 able to produce that level of quality? I doubt it until i see a game like MGS4 on 360. 19 -
Unregistered - Silverback 12.13.2005 16:19 How many of the vast majority of the gamers across the world will actually care that the PS3 plays HD movies? Most likely very few. You all forget before you can appreciate Blue Ray you have to own an HD Tv. Not only that but to appreciate 1080P you will have to fork out very large amounts of cash for the very latest TV's. The point I am trying to make is that very few Americans let alone the rest of the worlds population own HD TV's or will in the next 5 years let alone 1080p quality sets. So most likely by the time HD TV's are vogue the next generation of consoles will have arrived. So most consumers aren't going to be playing Blue Ray movies on the PS3, at least over the next five years. In a hurry sorry for the garbled nature of the post. 20 -
All RightChronocom 12.13.2005 16:20 OOOO Taht's got to hurt the crap box 360 fans, I don't care if I have to wait for the ps3, At least I'm getting a GOOD console (unlike the xbox 360 fanboys got.) 21 -
PS3 Will RockUnregistered - Fanboy:-) 12.13.2005 16:25 That's all you have to know!!! :-) 22 -
Patrick 12.13.2005 16:30 Man, so many well spoken comments about how great the PS3 is, I dont think I need to say a thing, Except I will anyway. Someone said Blu-ray movies wont be out for a long time, and I say WRONG. Look at the PSP with UMD movies. They can only be played on the PSP and yet so many are coming out and most new to DVD movies are also on PSP at the same time. Now take the PS3, a system than will sell more systems than the PSP did and quicker, and also launch Blu-ray players from 80-90 percent of Electronic Companies and blu-ray movies from 80-90% of Studios and launch The PS3 in the same time frame which will be a Blu-ray player much cheaper than other players and you have alot of High def products for Blu-ray that will spread faster than you can imagine. 360 fans dont believe me, hide and watch. 23 -
to comment 12Havoc 12.13.2005 16:49 Hey Spartan just stop it with this non unified crap if the developer takes the time and effort, the online experience can be on par with live. You don't know what online features the ps3 will have that the ps2 didn't such as A microphone, or a IP camera. You can praise xbox live but you can't say ps3 online is going to suck because you don't know what it's capable of. 24 -
.Unregistered - . 12.13.2005 16:56 dont be mad man. you can by your 360 if you want. if you want a system that is the same price as the PS3 ($400) and not get as many features than go ahead, this is your choice. just because YOU never used your PS2 for a DVD drive doesnt mean that I havent. also, YOU'll have the option of playing these HD movies without having to buy another 300-400 dollar piece of equipment again. this is what you fanboys do all the time. instead of trying to state facts you just try to diss and make a mockary of out of it. face it; bill gates gave up on the 360 when he didnt install the HD-dvd not just for movie playback (if it happened to fail with the movie industry) but for a next gen format to issue their game disc on. and for the record the 360 IS NOT true HD...just understand that. P.S. if the 360 would have had the HD-DVD and blu-ray would have failed you fanboys would have been all over that fact. but that isnt the case. what is REALLY the case is that the xbox company is not, and i repeat IS NOT a profitable company. microsoft has not made one dollar in profit my friend. xbox since its existence has been at a loss. the only difference between xbox and dreamcast is that bill gates is the richest man in the world and he owns xbox....period. This is a very true statement How many of the vast majority of the gamers across the world will actually care that the PS3 plays HD movies? Most likely very few. You all forget before you can appreciate Blue Ray you have to own an HD Tv. Not only that but to appreciate 1080P you will have to fork out very large amounts of cash for the very latest TV's. The point I am trying to make is that very few Americans let alone the rest of the worlds population own HD TV's or will in the next 5 years let alone 1080p quality sets. So most likely by the time HD TV's are vogue the next generation of consoles will have arrived. So most consumers aren't going to be playing Blue Ray movies on the PS3, at least over the next five years. This is very incorrect. HD TV's will dramtically increase in sales. Especially since soon the goverment will require TV station to broadcast in both formats. Secondly, most people who have $500+ to blow on the PS3 or 360 will eventually own an HD TV (if they don't already own one) unless of course they are stupid and don't want to see the full potenial of either console. Futhermore I don't think the whole entire movie industry is backing Blue-Ray 5 years in advance, don't be so ignorant. Lastly you started your comment with "majority of gamers". You may find this hard to believe but not every single person who owns a PS2 or XBOX etc... is a hardcore gamer. Therefore by offering more features they can try to get money from people who normally not buy a game console such as a movie buff or a techy person. The 360 on the other hand offers nothing new other than it's gaming experience. I am not bashing the 360 but for Sony who makes TV's Audio etc it is a good idea for them to push a product that can be used with all their other ones, not a stupid idea. Thats like saying how many people own a PC and dont use it for video games. Well guess what...it sure doesn't hurt that you CAN use if for video game if you want to. 25 -
OUCH, hear that Spartan?Retard 12.13.2005 16:59 read Kurama's notation, it is true; SCE(A) could switch to a Unified. Either way, i don't want to dish money out for a online service or for that matter have a online service. I'd rather play with R-E-A-L people and R-E-A-L friends. (cough...halo...junkies....cough) 26 -
#24Retard 12.13.2005 17:08 Any business is a profitable business, so magic #24 who seems to watch the money flow; it's called advertisin and investing. Which in this case makes up for a gap of profitable decline by some margins (from an unsuccessful attempt with Xbox [1]) By in large the software company shifted towards a conventionally standard DVD drive (Saves $, go figure?) The techology is there, all they needed was the money and patience. They decided by beating competition to the dead line would gain for there favor, and it might just work. -slightly off topic, sorry. 27 -
i just dont understand you guysUnregistered - BK 12.13.2005 17:09 why are you guyz fighting over this i mean it sur money that ur using if ur getting a ps3 good for you and if ur getting a 360 good for you. IN MY OPINION 360 and ps3 are the same thing all around ps2 had a cpu of 250 mhz or something while xox had 733...was ther a difference NO did people say ps2 sucks and xbox rocks because of that NO. sure you can put a blu-ray drive but dont forget microsoft is a software company...you would think that a software company would know how much space they would need in the future... by the way you guyz are making such a big deal out of blu-ray maxell is releasing a new format which holds 300GB by the end of 2006...oh no watch out ps3 people here comes a new console with 300 gb of high definition lol. by the way ther is really nothing wrong with extra dvd's for one game...and sure you can have a 50 gb game but (dont kill me because of this its just opinion) the rsx is not such a next generation graphic card sure you can say wow ps3 has a better cpu but when the ram and gpu run short ther the same thing. Since i dont want to go through ur forums to find this ill just say it here...ps3 is running at 3.2 ghz so is 360 so dont say like oh ps3 is running 3.2 x 7= watever it doesnt work like that. Both systems are the same all around and this statement was just said against when 360 said it had a slightly better system...their both the same and all games can go on both consoles no need to fight about the extra 0.00002 ghz cpuon the htu 300 of the ps3 there both the same get it through both of ur ps3 fanboy and 360 fanboy head... 28 -
Dev1032 12.13.2005 17:18 From what I've read about X360 and heard, X360 isnt true hi-def, it uses compression techniques, which degrade the real HD quality you should be seeing. HD compression techniques are like useing MP3 music files, less quality sound than the original source, the only difference is you will notice the quality more in a picture than you will with sound. 29 -
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to #24Unregistered - Silverback 12.13.2005 17:58 You forget that there will be a battle between Blue Ray and HD DVD for at least 2-3 years if not longer. This will only serve to slow the penatration of and HD DVD format. Look how long it took for DVD to really take off, now consumers have to invest not only in a DVD player but they will have to buy a new TV and pay more, at least in the beginning, for the cost of Blue Ray discs. No, I think that the real explosion of the HD era will not be for at least another few years. Additionally, there are a number of other formats being developed in places like China that HD DVD and Blue Ray will have to contend with. This is partly why many people believe that Blue Ray, if it becomes the dominant format, will only be a transitional format to something even better. 31 -
HD era..whateverUnregistered - Akakage 12.13.2005 18:08 In order to "truly" experience the HD era one would have to go out and spend a couple thousand dollars on a HD tv that supports 1080p. Doesn't really make that much of a difference to me. The game is gonna look great no matter what. I'm gonna spend $400-$500 on a PS3 (the price range hasn't been determined yet) $60-$70 on a single game (blu-ray price not confirmed yet) and then $3200 or so to play said $60-$70 game?? Doesn't make much economic sense to me. I have a flat-screen TV that supports S-Video and Component hook ups now...I'll be D@MNED before I go out and spend MainNewsBlogCom,000 or so on a new TV just so I can have 1080p and not notice a difference. They are throwing around "HD" this and "HD era" that to sell TV's plain and simple. Sony themselves said the same thing at E3. The PS3's main goal isn't distribution of Blu-Ray or games..its to Sell Televisions. That's why they are always talking about "HD" this and "HD" that. At E3 before you saw any PS3 tech-demos you got a 10-15 minute video on HD and HDTVs. Anyone who went to E3 this year, and stood in that long line at Sony's booth knows what I'm talking about. M$oft is no better...they partner with Samsung "the official TV of the X360". Its all to sell TV's. That's why "HD" is always one of their main topics. Ken Kutarugi was passed over and "demoted" because he failed to push the sony brand as the leader of all consumer electronics...something like that. Doesn't make sense when Kutarugi is the "father" of playstation. He was the head of the PS department as well as consumer electronics I believe. He sold millions of PS2 but since he didn't sell enough TV's, stereos and whatever else he was passed over and part of his job was taken away. U can believe the "HD" hype if you want to...more power to you...but all that means absolutely nothing to me. If I don't play DMC4 in 1080p..I won't lose any sleep over it. 32 -
non-unifiedBill Gates 12.13.2005 18:17 I hope Sony sticks with the non-unified online service. I enjoy my privacy when it comes to playing games online. I don't want everyone knowing when I’m on, what game I’m playing, or how many buddies I have. Microsoft is turning Online gaming into some sort of Instant Messenger. I personally don’t like SOME of the features on Xbox Live. But than again that’s just my opinion. And yes I’ve always felt this way about it. I’m not just saying this because Sony announced a non-unified online service. 33 -
PAUL CERULA 12.13.2005 18:24 Like I've said Sony's ps3 is very ambitious but not completely practical. Blu-ray, ok great format but won't be used for anything else other than video games for at least 5 years ----- that's even if it becomes the primary source More than 60fps -- ridiculous and pointless for Sony to bother cause you can't notice the difference -- publicity stunt anybody Two HDTV slots -- good but not at all practical...your gonna appease 1% of the market for 5 years until the next console. Very few people have 2 hdtvs 1080p -- 1080p HDTV's are super expensive for only a little more performance and again too far ahead of its time for the mass market. Overall I think if sony would of stuck with one HDTV slot, 1080i, and Blu-ray their console would of been considerably cheaper and still very next gen. Sony's just gearing their console's potential to rich people and in the next 5 years that's the only people who will completely enjoy it. 34 -
-- Deleted by Mod --Bill Gates 12.13.2005 18:50 -- Deleted by Mod -- It was deleted due to being completely off-topic. Instead, try submitting it as a news story. 35 -
Spartan give it upBill Gates 12.13.2005 19:00 Spartan give it up kid. People all over the world know what the better buy is going to be. Unified or not, Sony's going to wipe the floor with Microsoft. It's only a matter of time now, when the Xbox 360 begins to fade away from the public eye. Mark my words people, the xbox360 will see a price drop quicker than that of the GameCube. Nothing against the Big "N". Sony and Nintendo, all the way form me. In these two platforms is where the real innovation is @. 36 -
Unregistered - Con 12.13.2005 19:12 No offense MS users but I always get burned by Microsoft with their software and their consoles, they've used the price drop tatic before and let me tell you I'm not buying that act anymore. 37 -
lameboxUnregistered - gaming biatch 12.13.2005 19:17 Nothing would make me happier than to see Microsoft come in at dead last in this console war, and than completely drop out. But that's not gonna happen so I'll just root for Sony and Nintendo. 38 -
Unregistered - Con 12.13.2005 19:48 Oh Spartan your either dumb or seem to be in denial. 39 -
#38Bill Gates 12.13.2005 20:09 I think you hit the nail on the head that time. He is totally in denial. You have to hand it to the kid, he really does want to beleive in the 360. Sony's hardware, its software, and its simple display of confidence in its own product have completely outclassed Microsoft. My money's on Sony. All Sony did was show what it showed at E3 and the rest is in the history books of gaming. I predict that the PS3 will ship out over 100 million units quicker than the PS2. I'll buy the 360 when it sells for $99 in a year or two. 40 -
Unregistered - Tim 12.13.2005 20:12 just priced out 1080p hdtv set no thanks it cost more then my car i dont think many people can afford it.the guy at the store said you cant notice a difference until you hit 60 inch screen or bigger. even the 720p were a little pricey the xbox 360 is probaly a better bet for me I dont think I will ever own 1080p hdtv set 41 -
#33 Spartan (again)Bill Gates 12.13.2005 20:23 "Blu-ray, ok great format but won't be used for anything else other than video games for at least 5 years ----- that's even if it becomes the primary source" --now you're saying it's a great format? make up your mind!...It's the best format. You will start to see movies in Blu-Ray format in 2006,..make some sense. "More than 60fps -- ridiculous and pointless for Sony to bother cause you can't notice the difference -- publicity stunt anybody" --well Sony WILL bother because the hardware can do it. "Two HDTV slots -- good but not at all practical...your gonna appease 1% of the market for 5 years until the next console. Very few people have 2 hdtvs" --Unlike Microsoft, Sony is thinking into the future with this system. HDTVs are quickly going down in prices. In 2 years they will be even more afortable to the point where you will beging to see homes having more than just one in the house. I think this will be a great asset to the PS3 for Online future gaming. Don't hate! "1080p -- 1080p HDTV's are super expensive for only a little more performance and again too far ahead of its time for the mass market." --Again Sony is thinking years ahead, unlike Microsft who can't even think into next week. "Overall I think if sony would of stuck with one HDTV slot, 1080i, and Blu-ray their console would of been considerably cheaper and still very next gen. Sony's just gearing their console's potential to rich people and in the next 5 years that's the only people who will completely enjoy it." --Overall you should be working for Microsoft with the way you think. You're worse than Peter Moore. I understand that you're bitter because you think the PS3 will be out of your budget, but hold on a second and let Sony anounce the price for the PS3 before making any more stupid ASSumptions! 42 -
Harrison's claims are valid...Furious 12.13.2005 20:36 Microsoft's choice of DVD is going to create some big hurdles to overcome. I would like to see how they plan to release games with true HD resolutions and HD CG visual without using compression... Dev mentioned this above using compression has negative effects on the visuals, it's a known fact. Don't get me wrong the 360 will have impressive visuals, but compression will need to be implemented to prevent 2 to 4 disk to hold the large data files. The decision to use DVD could be a choice the 360 can't overcome. Food for thought.... 43 -
hmm..Unregistered - Akakage 12.13.2005 20:37 Actually I think that Sony is thinking so far in the future because they plan for the PS3 to have a very long shelf life. It was circulating around E3 and has been posted on a few sites that Sony plans for the PS3 to be around for 10 years before they release a successor. Now if their competitors come out with something new..that dwarfs PS3 then of course they will release a new console..but Sony plans on PS3 being "THE" playstation console for the next 10 years or however long it takes for HDTV and Blu-Ray sales to pick up. Take ur pick. Msoft is already planning on the successor to X360. So because their 360 plans don't seem as long term as sony's doesn't mean they don't have plans. They didn't get to be the biggest software company in the world with no strategy. Both consoles are gonna be good..I have a X360..loving it..I will get a PS3...but I ain't buying a new 1080p super expensive TV for either one of these consoles. "HD ERA" is code for buy a new Trinitron from Sony..or buy a new plasma from Samsung. Won't make or break ur gaming experience. 44 -
hearts will either be broken or won on these dates.Bill Gates 12.13.2005 20:46 is it January 5th,6th,7th, or 8th yet? 45 -
360 down underUnregistered - Ps3 fan 12.13.2005 21:07 Haha I'm glad the Sony's Reggie is showing its color's. Harrison has been kicking Arse and taking names.PS3 will cater to the HD era. 46 -
Unregistered - ninja0327 12.13.2005 21:09 to #42 that comment about ps3 lasting 10 yrs is how they are saying "theys still life in ps2 despite the arrival of ps3" the ps3 will be outdated in 5 to 6 yrs from now in terms of hardware but the produciton of games for the game will continue and the improvwmnt in graphics will continue becuase right now thats when we are seeing ps2 true graphics through games like god of war, RE4, shadow of collessus 47 -
my mistakeUnregistered - ninja0327 12.13.2005 21:13 ment # 43 48 -
PAUL CERULA 12.13.2005 22:09 Bill Gates, no way Bill do I think that the ps3 will be too expensive. It will be at the same price as the xbox 360 premium -- 400.00$ with just the console and controller. That's my prediction. Considering the blu-ray format is NOT DEFINATE and could still change to something else like hd-dvd. Yeah sony's pushing the limits....I know this and didn't deny it. I just don't think that this console will serve the mass market until 4-5 years from now. Yeah that's a long time but how many people are going to shell out 2,000 bucks for a 1080p or just 500 for a decent HDTV. The prices aren't going to drop dramatically it will take time just like flat panels are doing now. People won't bother with HDTV's inless their very dedicated to the video games. In my opinion getting a ps3 or 360 without an HDTV is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Your missing so much if you don't. If you can't afford around 1,000 (400+600) for a decent set up than your wasting your time and should wait till the ps3, 360 and hdtv's come down in price. If you can't make the commitment to both the hdtv and next gen system DON'T BOTHER. And sadly a lot of people are going to just get a PS3 and run it off of 480 TV. In which they'll decide a year later to buy an hdtv. If you can't buy both wait a year till the prices drop 49 -
To #24Unregistered - undisputed2k6 12.13.2005 22:12 "This is very incorrect. HD TV's will dramtically increase in sales. Especially since soon the goverment will require TV station to broadcast in both formats. " Thats is also incorrect. The goverment will require stations to broadcast in Digital signals ....not HD ...theirs a big difference in the two. 50 -
HDTV etc.BillGatesSucks 12.14.2005 00:45 I think the HDTV era is going to be here much sooner than some of you (i.e. Spartan) are predicting. Satellite and most cable tv services are already digital and most broadcast a high percentage of their product in HD as well, so it's not going to be 5+ years before it takes off. As I and others have mentioned before, HD dvd movies will be on the market in abundance by next year in the form of a dual format (HD and standard) disk. And if you've been paying attention to the market, the prices on HDTVs has been dropping quickly. Admittedly, a 60" HDTV is going to be more than most people are willing to spend on a TV, but right now a 30" HDTV is well within most anyone's range. Sony is smart to have the blu ray, it's going to be a big selling point because not only will the customer have a next gen console, but when they're ready to pop for an HDTV set (if they don't have one already) they'll already have an HD player - no need to spend the extra cash on another player like the 360 owner will have to do. MS made a big mistake not having an HD optical drive partly because of this reason and also because of what I and others have already mentioned, the problem of a medium without sufficient storage space. This is already causing problems for MS with compression issues slowing the process down. Plus there's the fact that the 360's HD signal isn't even true HD in that it's not produced as part of the gaming process but as a type of post-rendering where the signal is stretched out i.e. distorted to fit the HD size. Oh, and to the poster who said the 360 and the PS3 are the same because their CPUs are both clocked at 3.2 GHz, that's only a small part of it. Look up the specs on each CPU and see for yourself what each can do. Sony are the ones innovating the market. MS waits for the market to change before producing their next product. 51 -
Unregistered - G 12.14.2005 00:52 last time i checked 720p and 1080i were considered HD. about 5% of tv owners, own an hdtv. less than 1% of those hdtv owners own one that can support 1080p. not a lot of people are willing to pay $1200-3000 for an hdtv, let alone a $7000+ for a 1080p hdtv. price do go down, but were still talking in the thousands here. by the time 1080p's price drops, xbox1080's and ps4's will probably already be available 52 -
Unregistered - G 12.14.2005 00:55 where exactly did you read that the xbox 360 upscales its frames to 720p? 53 -
Unregistered - Doh! 12.14.2005 00:57 So what he is saying is 1080p is the only real HD and you cant experience HD unless you have a 5000+ 1080p Sony Grand Wega Tv, a PS3 and movies on Blueray disk. I agree that Xbox360 in not a total HD machine because of the lack of a Highdef DVD format but the games are definaty HD. Sony is lucky they have plastation, the only Sony electronics device I own and that comes only because of its great game support. As for TVs, Sony is dominated, much more bang for the buck with something like Samsung HDTVs (I have 2 of um). Sony HAs the new Grand Wega 1080p but for a price. I could buy a 65in 1080p Samsung DLP with 10000:1 Dynamic contrast for the same price but there is no insentive to drop five grand for 1080p. with only a hand full of HD programming and none in 1080p. If PS3 delivers it will be the only insentive for a while. Still not enough to drop the massive amount of cash. 1080p is no where near mainstreem. I enjoy my Playstation but everthing is is outclassed BS. 54 -
Unregistered - correction 12.14.2005 01:00 ^correction last line. i ment to type everything else is outclassed BS. 55 -
Unregistered - yurr 12.14.2005 01:05 its all an attempt to slow down xbox 360 sales 56 -
Fact is 360 Output is not true HD standardFurious 12.14.2005 01:12 The Xbox 360 has enough system bandwidth and main memory to handle 1280x720 game assets or material. It’s the 10MB of EDRAM (IMO) that hampers it from achieving a true internal GPU rendering of 1280x720p resolution. With 10MB already being borderline for 1280x720 resolution; and then adding in post processing effects (AA, AF, ECT…), that 10MB is more of a bottleneck than a advantage. Now if it had at least 15-18MB of EDRAM then there shouldn’t be a problem of handling the resolution along with the post processing effects. Anyhow, optimally you’re looking at 1024x540 or 1280x520 resolution with post processing effects from the Xenos GPU then the data (video) being sent to the video chip to be scaled at 1280x720 resolution. Where’s the PS3 doesn’t need the assistance of the video chip to achieve 720p or 1080p (as far as I know). Will we be able too tell the difference between the PS3 and Xbox 360 respective versions of the 720p format? That heavily depends on the game source material or game assets (textures and so fourth) that are being used. If the game material or assets are 1280x720; then the PS3 shouldn’t have a problem displaying the full beauty of it. In the Xbox 360 case two things can happen...The developer can chose to reduce the source material to fit the internal render; thus saving memory bandwidth and allowing the video chip to scale the end result to 1280x720. Or they can use the same source material, thus allowing the GPU to render it at the lower resolution, then sending it to the video chip for the end result of 1280x720. The first Xbox 360 option will yield some major graphical differences if the original source material is scaled back; however if the second option is chosen then the effect wouldn’t be so dramatic compared to the PS3. Either way PS3 doesn’t have to deal with these pesky little bottlenecks that the EDRAM memory brings to the Xbox 360. 57 -
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Spartan~~Retard 12.14.2005 05:53 Well, having a 400$ system is better then my computer at this point; because my GPU cost me 500$ alone. Sony is making PS3 with 1080p because they want to express there 7,000$ TV a tad more, YES they are expessive ... at least for now, it's a secured investment because these TV will eventually become standard. My 55'' flat wide screen LG costs me nearly 6,995$ when it came out. Now it's nearly half of that. 59 -
why hdtv tv?Unregistered - r 12.14.2005 07:10 when u can hook up the ps3 or x360 to u standart monitor, flat crt or lcd, for like 150-250$ ? no problem for a flat crts have 2048*1536 to display 1080p ,or when the console comes to childrens room with a 1600*1200 19" lcd for 200$ with 720p no problems. 60 -
MEDIA PCUnregistered - JMC7098 12.14.2005 07:58 Are people forgeting that the XBOX 360 is an extention to your Windows Media PC and will stream HD DVD movies from your PC. 61 -
yea what everUnregistered - leon 12.14.2005 08:07 why does sony insist in bashing M$ at every step ??? do they have something to worry about ??? (me thinks so) and seeing as 99.9% of tv's dont support 1080p whats the point in having it? and the ones that do cost around £12000 (is mommy and daddy gonna get one for little jimmys bedroom so he can play the new jak and daxter .....er no !) you sony idiots sayint that 720p and 1080i are not HD and that 1080p is ,just makes me laugh. you remind me of the rats following the pied piper and we all know what happened to them dont we??? so go on dance to kens tune ....fools. 62 -
#42Unregistered - leon 12.14.2005 08:17 I WILL BET YOU £100 RIGHT NOW THAT THE FISRT WAVE OF PS3 GAMES WILL COME ON DVD (IF NOT ALL OF THEM) WHY???? BECAUSE OF COST. IF A 360 GAME COST 49.99 AND THATS ON DVD . HAZARD A GUESS AT THE SAME GAME ON A BLURAY DISC. ADD ANOTHER 20 QUID (AT A GUESS) AND I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THAT BET. (IT WILL BE LIKE TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY) 63 -
Their's no Hd Era for MsUnregistered - Con 12.14.2005 09:16 Not only are you MS users ignorant your making wild guesses, the whole reason I'm not going to be here anymore is because, I've already read major magazines and their not praising Microsoft or their consoles. The fact of the matter is that MS shot themselves in the foot with the whole cheap price tag tactic, I mean if the games suffer because of conpression techniques just think what's going to happen in the future. I used to be an surporter of MS and thought they would improve but they've given me nothing but disappointments the whole HD thing for Ms is crippling the current games they have already. 64 -
Unregistered - Moe 12.14.2005 09:39 This is EXACTLY why I WILL buy the PS3. Sony thinks ahead. Sounds like the PS3 will deliver for years to come. 65 -
#46..ps3 for the long haulUnregistered - Akakage 12.14.2005 09:44 There was talk around E3 that sony wasn't going to release another console in 10yrs meaning that the PS3 would be the only PS console on the market for the next 10yrs. 1.) I think it was more hype than substance..because by stating this they are claiming that PS3 is so advanced that they don't need to release a new console. It wasn't the same as saying there will "still be life in the PS3". Probably more hype than anything else. PS3's GPU will be obsolete before it is released, but nobody has anything that can top the cell...yet. Another reason for this 10yr claim was that developers will still be getting more performance out of the PS3 even that far down the road. Then you have to figure the billions they spent in R&D on the Cell, Blu-Ray, licensing Nvidia...etc. 1080p means squat without a TV that supports it. Like I said before its all a plot to sell more HDTVs and help establish Blu-Ray. It will look just as good on the TV I have now, just like my X360. 66 -
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Unregistered - Wired 12.14.2005 10:09 I'm not going by the hype I'm just being smart, it seems to me you guys went by the hype, I'm just waiting to see what happens I have no intention of buying an next gen console right now. Anyone who's dumb enough to buy the first console out because of an trailer is a real idiot. 68 -
Unregistered - Wired 12.14.2005 10:15 I've seen reviews for most of the games for MS console and their getting no so good scores, the only thing their saying is that the games have pretty graphics, the only game that stood out is Call of Duty 2. 69 -
Unregistered - Wired 12.14.2005 10:55 Well I'm going to be gone for awhile too many speculation with no accurate information from you Ms fanboys is pretty ridiciolous even for me. 70 -
Stop arguing!!!Unregistered - Oblivion 12.14.2005 11:03 Its all about the games.Im getting the 360 because of Halo3,KOTOR3,Fable2,Ninja Gaiden2,Saints Row,Gears of War,Ghost Recon,ES:Oblivion etc. . Im also sure that the 360 will bring out some other great games. Im gonna get the ps3 because GTA(i know it will be on the 360 but i cant wait 9 months),God of War2,Heavanly Sword,MGS etc. Im also sure the ps3 will have a load of other great games. The 360 has more games for my taste.Although i will have to get the ps3 as well. The 360 will win in 2 areas.(1)Games(not by much)(2)Live. The ps3 will win in (1)Graphics(not by much) (2)Disc capacity (blu ray). The rest will be very close.I thik Peter Moore was right insaying that both consoles are superior in different areas. 71 -
Unregistered - Biff 12.14.2005 11:13 Sorry Oblivion by I'm not buying your story and I'm not waiting to buy the 360 and I don't care for it either, if MS did a good job with your console I wouldn't be complaining right now. 72 -
Unregistered - Jack 12.14.2005 12:49 what a bunch of whiners just buy what ever makes you happy and stop complaining. 73 -
.....launch titlesUnregistered - Akakage 12.14.2005 13:12 I can't remember a console release where every launch title got FANTASTIC reviews? PS2 the best and highest reviewed launch title was SSX..everything else...mediocre or horrid reviews. Dreamcast..best launch title was the phenominal Soul Calibur..everything else mediocre or horrid reviews. Xbox..one word...HALO...everything else got mediocre or Horrid Reviews. X360 released with PDZ, Call of Duty and NBA2k which all got decent reviews..everything else...mediocre or horrid reviews. 90% of the titles release on X360 are ports of current gen games. PDZ was scheduled for current xbox as was Kameo..so really only Ridge RAcer..and possibly Call of Duty..which might be a PC port are the only non-ports. PS3 I'm sure will get some ports too..especially if they are sticking with spring. Most consoles start to hit their stride months after launch, this is how its always been. But hey if you get u an HDTV that supports 1080p this will make all ur PS3 launch games that much better cuz its the HDera....(yeah right). Back on topic..I still really can understand what the big deal about HD. The green will still be green, Batman Begins will still be Batman begins on either TV. Its almost like its a cult or something. My picture is already clear..and my X360 games look fantastic. When PS3 is released my PS3 will look equally as fantastic on my TV. Will 1080p really make my gaming experience so much more wonderful?? H#!L NO it won't!!!! 74 -
SadUnregistered - Jim 12.14.2005 13:23 A lot of people on this site are truely pathetic. Not really HD this..Not really next gen that. Shut Up and play the damn games. If you don't want it don't buy it but don't say stupid S*it about a piece of electronic equipement. This has literaly made my stomach turn as I was trying to get some "realistic" info on a product. 75 -
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just wait.. trust me.Unregistered - some guy from Sony 12.14.2005 13:34 Just wait until the announcement next month. Once you all have had enough of Christmas... There will be announcements to make you feel like a kid at christmas again. Oh yeah, and guys.. Many people have asked who owns a HDTV capable of showing 1080p... Think about this... You are looking at a display capable of that right now. (yes your monitor). 77 -
true HDBillGatesSucks 12.14.2005 15:29 Post #52 asked where I read about the 360 upscaling the output to 720p, just follow this link: http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000393067805/ And here's a link to an interview with Allard about 360 compression problems on standard DVDs - the man himself admitting it although desperatley trying to side step the issue: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/660/660456p1.html I didn't say the 360 wasn't HD, I said it wasn't fully HD in that MS decided against an HD format optical drive. It also doesn't have a true HD video output HDMI, component is the best it has. It does support 720p (upscaled in some cases apparently) and yes that is HD but hey the xbox and PS2 can do that. 78 -
Unregistered - thePoint 12.14.2005 16:04 SOny is looking into the future and that is a good thing but they need to be carful how far the want to look for a gameconsole. The predictiong 1080P will be it 7-10 years from now and that blueray will survive. Things could change direction and some things will. Its a ganmble to predict that your system will still be competible that far into the future with the constant change of Technology. My point is that 1080p is no reason to buy a PS3 in the first years of its cycle, its all mrketing hype to slow down xbox360.. And if 1080p is why your buying it you could wait till the price of PS3 and 1080p tvs drop to buy one.Xbox360's native resolution is 720p 1080i which is HD and its not upscaled either. 79 -
Unregistered - G 12.14.2005 16:58 file compression to fit on to dvd's... hd-dvd and blu-ray isn't out. can't be helped. plus, what's wrong with adding another dvd if they did need it? small sacrifice for cost. oblivion, a big game, fits on 1 dvd. if you ever got into the warez scene, you would know that you never had to download a game bigger than 4.7 gb. as for the joystiq.com game you posted: "it punts out at 1024x600. This is unlike any of the other Xbox 360 games we have so far screengrabbed, which ALL HAVE GIVEN screenshots of 1280x720." it's one game? pgr. it isn't even official. it's some dude off some forum. but even if it was true, you generelazied it as if it happens to ALL xbox 360 games. well whatever with that. im getting both systems. im sure both systems will be great. 80 -
Stop WhiningUnregistered - Jonga 12.14.2005 17:05 #76 is right. Just hope Sony comes out with a vga adapter for the ps3. Then all you will need is something for the sound. As for this story, it's just Sony marketing. It's like which brand of detergent makes your white clothes more white. I have a 360 and it looks phenomenal on my tv in 720p and 1080i. It also looks great on my 19inch walmart special up in my room. You should really be worrying about the games. You would think that Sony would have released a load of PS3 screens,videos, and gameplay details by now to deter people from buying the 360. I am gonna wait until I see some solid ingame videos of ps3 games before I start getting all hot and bothered. I will still probably get it, I just hope they have a better launch lineup for the ps3 than they did for the ps2. 81 -
virusone 12.14.2005 17:39 I own an Xbox 360. I will also be getting a revolution and playstation 3. I don't have an HD TV yet and when I do it won't be 1080p, so I don't really care. 82 -
Hmm...Unregistered - Hmm... 12.14.2005 17:49 To all the fools that are saying "Stop talking about the equipment, its the games that matter !" go away please. If its 'game quality youre after', go and buy a N64 ! Youll find good quality games there.Not sure about the graphics and speed though... Oh, and all those 360 defenders left over here, stop whining about HD TV, and that it wont catch on for years to come, BECAUSE IT WILL !! Its getting cheaper and cheaper very quickly. Spartan, you allege that the Blu-ray format is still undescided for PS3. Please, check your facts before you come out with rubbish like that. Its been confirmed for roughly 6 months now that the PS3 will use Blu-Ray. 83 -
Unregistered - Huxley 12.14.2005 17:50 Man you guys are an eyesore I'm tired of the ps3 and xbox 360 rants, I'm out of here until next year. 84 -
blu-rayUnregistered - bk 12.14.2005 18:43 first of all i can tell that most of you dont have any idea of wat blu-ray is and why its not a good idea for ps3 to release it... 1) blu-ray is costly---explains itself too dumb to understand dont continue... 2) new technology isnt always the best as ive said before there is a new format comign out at 300gb much faster at reading and soon might get to 12 tb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so does that mean oh wow watch out `1 terabyte games coming out... 3) the reason ps3 is releasing blu-ray isnt becauseof gaming its because of movies...games WILL NOT be filling up more than 10 gb for atl east five more years unless pc games which are different and some rare games. 4) blu-ray has a slow reading speed and since its a new format compression hasnt been available for it at a great quality..same game thatll be 4 gb on 360 might be 8 gb on blu-ray 5)do you guyz really think games will come out on 1080 p???? what the **** is wrong with you ps2 was capable of 720i how many games on it at 720i? probably less than 10 6) for you people that think ps3 will last 10 years...kill urself right now...the ps3 RSX graphic type will be outclassed by 2 years not only by pc's but even by 360's ati...Nvidia is just not as powerfull as ATi and youd think a software company like microsoft knows that... the cpu makes u guyz think its amazing while it only has ONE core processor and 7 SPE's whoopdeedoo nothing will replace core processors because they are CORE PROCESSORS the essential of processing very soon the ps3 will be dated and you guyz think itl last 10 years...ok u keep thinking that. Not that im saying 360 wont but by that time MS will release a new console 7) no one untill now has actually announced that their using blu-ray for games except rockstar but that would mean no release for 360 right? WRONG 8 months after gta 4 on ps3 ther will be a 360 release 8) you guyz keep repeating this, "ps3 will have ayears advantage...etc", not true the ps3 is already made why isnt it released? first of all they want people to prepare for ps3 so people that got 360 will have pockets full of money for ps3 just in case...but then why is warhawk and lair already at 100%? because ps3 is also using this time to make an amazing launch line up great idea but doesnt change the system itself. 9) one of the biggest games in PC history is UT 2004 with 100 updates and everything...UT 2007 to release for 360 and ps3. yea their both the same system but the people that got ps3's will have a tough time trying to fit all the updates on their system which has a surprisingly small ram and memory for a "true HD experience" 10) Break down all numbers hypes and commercials and fans...both systems are just as euqual what one system doesnt have the other takes advantage of but in the end their both capable of the same thing. and blu-ray isnt a raeson to get a ps3...again and again people have said 54 gb games will be amazing i bet 100$ canadian that no game in at least 5 years till ps(next) and xbox(next) will be over 20gb...there is just no way to fill that much space. Blu-ray is still not the winner dvd's were amazing and still are i rally dont understand a reason to buy blu-ray for a gaming system except to make it an entertainment system...also dont expect the true performances of the hd era for a long time again i say this again u get a ps3 gd for you get a 360 gd for you. 85 -
PAUL CERULA 12.14.2005 19:20 #82 seriously I said it's an unconfirmed format for the entertainment industry....I know ps3's gonna have a blu-ray drive but the war wages on. 86 -
WOW!Unregistered - wow 12.14.2005 19:20 Hey #84 you are officially an idiot! Your opinion is worthless,flawed and ridiculous. case closed. 87 -
^ SHUTUP #85 ^Unregistered - Alexander 12.14.2005 19:34 Shut up unless you can prove the guy above you wrong on all his points. Id like to see you try. Especially when you try and justify paying for your '50gb' games - even when we do reach that size (id give it 10 years minimum) games are going to start to cost loads. Think about it. PS- Got a 360, loving it, looks cool plays cool and runs cool. No freezes, even after 17 hours drunken gameplay (call it nerdy - but it was fun). 88 -
:)Unregistered - Alexander 12.14.2005 19:35 Sorry in a rush, meant to put #86...bye. 89 -
jokeBill Gates 12.14.2005 19:43 Joke: What do all the Xbox fanboys, and President Bush have in common? Answer: They are all in DENIAL!! :) 90 -
you shut up and go play your crap boxUnregistered - you shut up and go play your crap box 12.14.2005 19:50 his comments are so moronic that i don't know what to say! there's no need to prove anything.he says Cell is a worthless thing,he says nvidia gpu is outdated while it's coming after xbox and no one knows it's true specs yet.nvidia is the king of graphics and geforce 7 series blow ati cards out of water.the new format that he talks about is holographic and is completely incompatible with cd-dvd-hddvd-blu ray disks.it's very very costly and can't be used in consoles or PCs for years. 91 -
To all of youBill Gates 12.14.2005 19:56 Why do you people still bother with replying to SPARTAN OF 777??? He never makes any sense. NEVER! Just ignore him. Nothing he ever types is worth a reply. Oviously we(the educated:) know which is the better company. On a different note read the following I copied from Joystiq it was posted today. --EA’s Medal of Honor Airborne was revealed (but not confirmed) for the PlayStation 3 earlier this year. And although the series has been multiplatform for years, Airborne looked to become a Sony exclusive, that is, until GameStop released a list (via Gamers Reports) that the title was headed to the Xbox 360. However, Gamers Reports has since removed the list at the request of EA. This doesn’t mean that Sony and EA have reached an exclusive deal, it just means that EA isn’t ready to talk. Regardless, with the MoH franchise fading as of late, and Call of Duty 2 leading the Xbox 360 launch, do Sony boycotters even care? 92 -
Dev1032 12.14.2005 20:04 I'm gonna leave this thread for now, But I will definitely be back, as soon as I recover from my early Dev party. What a great night, sorry for being off topic, but tonight was a winner for me, I will straighten thing out as soon as I recover consciousness lol. Stop your argueing, and I will tell you as much as I'm allowed to say tomorrow Peace 93 -
Unregistered - malik 12.14.2005 20:11 i checked out the joystiq post. like what 79 said, i dont get why its being generalized either. it's off one game and all the sudden it becomes a "major" issue with xbox360 "games". unproven at that. fanboys will be fanboys i guess 94 -
xbox 360 hdtvUnregistered - cbarker 12.14.2005 20:13 This was from CNET.com faq page on the 360. Does the Xbox 360 output in HD resolution? Yes. On the software side, Microsoft required that all Xbox 360 games support at least 720p resolution with 1080i support optional. On the hardware side, both 720p and 1080i are supported out of the box, though games can also be displayed 480p and 480i. Since the original Xbox supported these resolutions, this really isn't anything new; what is, however, is that all games must support HD resolution, which starts at 720p, and wide-screen formats. 95 -
to bill gates" and all others Unregistered - BK 12.14.2005 20:22 ok dude ur are so close minded that u dont accept anything if u truly think its not worth talking to "us fanboys" (not that ur not a fanboy...) then dont and make a good example of yourself. for the person that said that i made no sense and im full of flawes...all i said is based on facts and i i havent seen one intelligent comment from you. and to the second last post...Nvidia graphic cards might sometimtes be equal but no matter what if you pick two cards from each company at the same level e.g. 128 cards compared, you can tell that which is better and i tell this by experience...have you tried it? if you have and u say its btter ok then but thats still in my opinion. and if you cant read i said there is no way IN 10 YEARS!!!! in a year the rsx will be out dated and the cpu for ps3 is not a miracle like you say it is its pretty current genereation stuff so i was just pointing out in 10 years this ps3 wil be like the SNES...especially if the technology keeps growing at this rate. BUT IVE SAID BEFORE AND AGAIN I REALLY DONT CARE ABOUT WHICH CONSOLE IS BETTER!!! both are awesome but just pointing out that ps3 is not the holy jesus of next generation like u think and blu-ray really doesnt effect gaming. P.S. to the dude that said that the maxell 300 gb disc doesnt exist please just type it in google and look at the release rate late 2006, it is being released. and u said that its some holographic or w/e disc that we dont know about...i can easily say that for the blu-ray. but this is truely next gen stuff 20mb/sec that is amazing and everything is built in its beta stage but they just need to finalize it and they could get to higher points!!! This thing has already surpassed most if not all of our current hard drives truly amazing. heres a link http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5189/ all im trying to do is to correct u guyz from saying stuff that u really dont know about. take it as u will i really dont care cuz if u get a 360 im not the one enjoying it and same goes for ps3. really if u diss me swear at me or w/e u want i really dont care go ahead becuz that wont offend me give me facts and ill shut my mouth but at least im not afraid to admit im wrong and im not close minded and say that one console rules the other. 96 -
Dev1032 12.14.2005 20:25 I will anse Mixrosofts claime tomorrow, stop trieing to make hype from sites that dont know about Hardware. Laters and peace. 97 -
Dev1032 12.14.2005 20:28 At the moment I will not reply to you, tomorrow I will and I will put the record straght, enjoy your X360, its a good machine and I will answer all questions tomorrow. 98 -
300 gb disc continues mised in last postUnregistered - BK 12.14.2005 20:28 http://www.i4u.com/article4678.html prices the disc=120$ drive=15 k though the drive is expensive in a few years the price will definately drop...lol "wow imagine a game that is 1 terabytes :O wow" sure its expensive but u asked for true next generation high definition harware and here it is. pricy sure but 300 gb alreayd amazing just truly amazing. 99 -
Dev1032 12.14.2005 21:00 I will say this, Blu-Ray is 25gig single layer 50 gig sual later the disc's you talk of are nex next gen, not available for the consumer, PS2 pushed DVD, they hope to do the same for Blu-ray, which is when DVD format picked up speed. Blu-ray at the moment has the most followers, asfor holographic media, that will be available in rughly 10 years time, which is roughly the start of PS4. PS3 will continue for a further 5-6 Years going into 2010, HDTV 1090p will be like todays 720p the thing is PS3 will be around untill 2015 at least, 5 years before PS5 gets introduced. Sony are looking into the future like many people have said, all say is wait for jan CES event, then you will see who dominates. 100 -
Dev1032 12.14.2005 21:12 See how I dont make much sese, while after a good night out, I'm leaving this discussion till tomorrow, then I can use facts on what has been said and what I know in the dev wcomunity. What I just said is blurn, I dont want to take sides, I want to give a true comparison, if w360 GPU is better then I will say so, I already know the CPU for PS3 is supirior, but after tonight I knoe more, you will just have to wait just that little bit longer Soz but I need sleep, peace 101 -
Unregistered - BILL GATES 12.14.2005 21:29 Bill gates you have absolutely no life. You spend all your time on this site trying to make a difference but all you state is what stats companies want you to know. You give about half a screen of writing everytime you post and you post like 6 times a day. Seriously give it a rest your worse than dev. and spartan. At least they don't recite stats given by companies. Your such a fool to use what information RSX and Cell gives you. Well they want to sell their hardware so they'll exaggerate and lie just like Kutaragi. Just wait until the ps3 comes out and get a life.... 102 -
hmmm...Unregistered - Akakage 12.14.2005 22:02 Blu-Ray for movies I think is gonna be a joke. Sure Blu-Ray is 25gigs of space and that's cool..but HD video files take up alot more space then current DVD. I think its safe to say that Blu-Ray movies won't be any different than standard DVD...just 1080p(lolz). They will have the same amount of features...heck they might even be able to squeeze it all on one disc...but 2-6 months later...an uncut version of the same movie u just paid 30 bucks for will be released..(uncut Sin City was just release..for example) and if you want it...that's another $30 for the same movie...with extras they could have included on first Blu-Ray release. Just like with games...lets be serious..as someone already said there won't be that many 20gig games for the first year or so. Most games are multiplatform anyway so only half of the disc will even be used. Games won't be any longer then they are now...they just need more space for the "HD" videos/visuals. A DVD9 is about 8.6 gigs roughly..so most games on X360 2-discs at most..bout 17gigs...which we won't see very many of games that big..unless there are alot of cinemas. A 3-4 disc 360 game = 2 disc ps3 game..roughly...how many games that big do you think we will see??...not many. This is all hype. And like sheep fanboys are all following their sheperd (sony) blindly. Both consoles will be fantastic...Blu-Ray...DVD9, HDDVD...whatever. The Blu-ray, 1080p HD hype is why so many fanboys will be broke. Spending Xtra money that you could have used on more games or a car or whatever. Blu-Ray ain't gonna be cheap...just like those TV's aren't cheap...(stand-alone Blu-Ray are like ID="MainNewsBlogCom",000 dollars before they were delayed). So expect to pay more for your PS3's, ps3 games and blu-ray movies. Especially at launch. 103 -
Dev1032 12.14.2005 22:35 Like I said I will give a true conoariison tomorrow, to be totaly honest, Both GPU's are almost identicle, Only the Cell excefes the X360 GPU, but Cell can do graphics too, so I have to do alot of math to work out whixh is the best system, at the moment it looks like PS3 has the best system, let me look at the released reports and other white papers, amongst other thing of course. 104 -
PAUL CERULA 12.14.2005 23:24 Hey Dev. better watch what you say Bill Gates should be on any second and say that the ps3 gpu is 3x as powerful and that the cell is 35x more powerful....or some gross exaggeration like that. Bill humours me by jumping the gun with hardware stats released from the companies that can get away with exaggerating their specs. All hype baby, lets just wait. A lot of the ps3 games are going to be on DVD anyways. Very few in my opinion will be blu-ray. And you'll have a price difference. I can see it now paying more for ps3 blu ray games and you'll say well now i won't have to switch out two dvds so I guess it was all worth it. My predictions in 5 years (next console ps4 xbox 720) -25% HDTVs -5% 1080p -30% Blu-ray or HD-DVD's become media standard for video games and movies. The growth is just not going to be as fast as everybody is hoping it to be. My predictions are realistic. HDTV prices will go down and as a result regular tv's will come down so why would a normal consumer spend 400 on a 32inch HDTV when they could get a normal TV for 100. 105 -
#79 and #84BillGatesSucks 12.14.2005 23:40 First to post #79 Compression is going to be a problem when it starts affecting gameplay with slow downs in processing and longer load times. You want all your games to be on 2 discs that take forever to load? Suit yourself. Me, I prefer games on one disc and faster loading, thanks. I didn't claim the 360 was upscaling all it's games to 720p, all I said was it was doing it, which apparently is true. All other games, except for PGR3 may be running natively at 720p, but um big deal, the xbox can do that. Seems MS is going back on its own word of all games required to run at the minimum of 720p by having to upscale. Hmmmm. To #84 - Are you naturally that stupid or does it take practise? I've never seen such a display of ignorance about the material being discussed, and yet you say your entire arguement was based on fact. Show me these supposed facts. You obviously know squat about the blu ray, the cell processor or the rsx. So, until you educate yourself on the topic and can form a coherent arguement, keep quiet and let the grown ups talk. 106 -
please post something worth a centUnregistered - jusblaze 12.14.2005 23:42 this many posts. on this website. are there like 5 guys sitting in front of the cpu doing nothing. this is a sony site. again. not a fangirl site. and the sony people with nothing better to do. chillax. wait till the nexr episode. people already have it in there minds what they think is what. for all the posters. do us all a favor. this is a sony website. hate it you want. but quit wasting everyones time in here trying to cause drama. no no no no drama. turn into springer at 4 eastern time for that. 107 -
Way too expensive!!! comment by Business manUnregistered - Business man 12.15.2005 00:19 Just to make you know I'm an xbox fan, but this fan has nothing against PS3. The PS3 is going to be not only a great system,but a expensive one that could be out of consumers price range. The games might go to 80-100 dollars, which would be a problem for many. Microsoft wanted to make a sytem that's affordable to consumers,so lower price means more consumer hungry. You get the picture. What I'm saying could be fact. Don't get me wrong, I like what both microsoft and sony are doing with these systems. I got xbox360 already, now soon I'll get PS3 to get the best of both worlds. Hey fans of both PS3 and Xbox360, know me as the fan that has high respects for both systems. Know me as Business man. I'm not a Business man, I'm a Business man!!! 108 -
PAUL CERULA 12.15.2005 01:06 URGENT ANNOUNCEMENT :SPARTAN OF 777 has changed his name to PAUL CERULA I had a problem recovering my old xbox live gamertag Spartan of 777 so I'm going with this name Paul Cerula which is now my current gamertag. 109 -
Hmm...Unregistered - Hmm... 12.15.2005 02:50 Few things to clear up... 1.Im Hmm... , the other guy is hmmm... 2.The RSX is far more advanced than both the ATI 500 and 520. 3.Blu-ray costs roughly very little more to manufacture than DVD. 4.The Blu-ray disc has a much faster reading rate than that of a DVD. 5.Dont take my word for it, go to blu-ray.com |
